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Why is Hell ( Sheol, Genna, Hades, such a Phenomena when scriptures both written in the 66 books and also the Apocrypha explain it perfectly well: Please discuss with scriptures to not lose sight on such an important issue.

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Dear Samuel,
God has to reveal the Truth to you.
you will notice that under the New Covenant nowhere are we told that we have to accept it or reject it. What it says is what God will do to the sinners. He will give them a new heart, He will put the fear of God in them for their own good.
"For it has been granted to you (the sinner) that for the sake of Christ you should "not only believe" in Him but also suffer for His sake." (Phil. 1:29).
"God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" (2 Tim. 2:25,26).
Without God we can do nothing.
---Luke on 8/5/14


Samuel today you may sin! But that does not change the fact what Jesus called you. He did not call you to become a sinner. You were a sinner before you new Jesus. So what are you now in Christ Jesus? Still a sinner? Think not, find out what Christ has made you now.
---Bryan on 8/5/14


Yes Luke I am a sinner as are all human being.

If what you teach is the truth then prove it from scripture. Do not just say it is so because you say so.

I accept Scripture as the final authority in all spiritual matters.

May GOD be with you and all the others here.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/4/14


//Unless I am shown from Scripture the truth I will not follow it.//

Samuel,
You must be depraved. The truth is in front of you but you do not see it. Like the lost who are depraved, they are slaves to sin.
They cannot buy themselves out of slavery. They remain slaves unless the Lord buys them with His blood.
Only God can open the eyes and ears of the lost so they can see. He has to give them a new heart so they can perceive and understand the Truth. That is why we are told,
"there is none righteous, no, not one. There is none who understands, there is none who seeks after God" (Rom. 3:11). They cannot see, hear, or perceive the truth.
---Luke on 8/4/14


Luke: "A new glorified body is given to all believers."

Yes indeed! Then why do you insist that God can only produce those bodies on earth? If people were indeed living as spooks in heaven, then why wouldn't He create new bodies for them there? And why did Jesus say that He would receive YOU (not your BODY) unto Himself that where He is (heaven), there you MAY BE also if YOU were already with Him in heaven?

Your doctrine lacks not only biblical support, but logic as well.



---jerry6593 on 8/4/14




The Bible is the guide and revealer of all truth. If a doctrine is not in the Bible then although it is a strong tradition it cannot be accepted as a truth.

JESUS had John write:


Revelation 20:13

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

So will GOD bring the dead from Gehenna and Heaven or will He do what He says here?

Unless I am shown from Scripture the truth I will not follow it.

Martin Luther and Calvin stood for this principal.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/3/14


// Do you really believe that God needs rotten bodies to resurrect?//

Jerry,
God needs nothing from anyone. Our physical bodies do not come to life. A new glorified body is given to all believers. What do you think turns to immortal bodies? Not the aches left in the grave.
What you also need is to be born of the Spirit. So that you can understand spiritual things. "For it is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing." (John 6:63). The words that Jesus spoke were spirit.
He gives life to our spirit, because we are already physically alive. It is a spiritual awakening that you do not understand because you are not born of the Spirit. Only those who are born of the Spirit understand spiritual matters.
---Luke on 8/3/14


Luke: Do you really believe that God needs rotten bodies to resurrect? Where are the bodies lost at sea, eaten by animals or vaporized at Hiroshima? Why could He not make new ones in heaven if people's spooks were there and conscious? Have you not read that the righteous living and dead are caught up together and made immortal when Jesus comes back to get us?

Your immortal spook philosophy is of pagan Greek origin - not of the Bible.


---jerry6593 on 8/2/14


Yes Luke there is no secret coming I agree. But there are passages that state He is coming to get us.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also.
John 5:28,29
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Mat 24:30,31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Also Mark 13:27
Phl 3:11

If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Matthew 27:53 What does this mean?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/1/14


//Yes Luke there is only one Second Coming. When JESUS comes to get the Saints.//

There is no passage which states that Christ is coming for His saints. It states He comes with His saints. Believers who had died in Christ, to receive those bodies which are in the graves. Those who are alive at the Second Coming will also meet the Lord. It will only be one Second Coming.
If you check the word "coming" in Second Coming, you will notice the original Greek word is "Parousia" The Day of the Lord. Jesus says, "Take heed that no one deceives you" Matt. 24:3,4. His Coming will be loud, everyone will hear. Jesus warns us that it is not a secret Coming.
---Luke on 8/1/14




Luke: "I accept what the Bible teaches, and never do I make it say what I want."

Then why don't you believe


Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the HOLY ANGELS with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:


---jerry6593 on 8/1/14


Yes Luke there is only one Second Coming. When JESUS comes to get the Saints.


John 5:28,29

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

So how are they in the graves and the air at the same time? Unless it could mean that they meet him in the air.

Also I believe in a Third coming after 1,000 years in heaven. Do you believe the 1,000 is on earth or not literal?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/31/14


Jerry,
I accept what the Bible teaches, and never do I make it say what I want. Jude 14 spoke of saints (Hagios) those who are set apart, which means believers, and Rev. 5:11 the word is angels (Aggelos) which means angels.
1 Thess. 5:13 also has the word saints (Hagios) which are believers.
Now you can butcher the passages anyway you want, but you cannot change the truth Jerry. The Lord Jesus Christ comes with the believers who have died, which have their physical bodies in the grave. We are right now spiritually alive together with Christ forever if we are saints.
---Luke on 7/31/14


//If JESUS comes again only once as you suggest then Jude is referring to the angels. Which is a good point.//

Samuel,
I do not suggest it, the Bible says there is only one Second Coming of Christ. You disagree with Scripture, you say there is two Second Comings, when the Bible says, there is only one Second Coming. Then say,


//For as you pointed out, all must be called out of the Graves John 5:28,29.//

Of course John 5:28,29 is speaking of the resurrection of the bodies who are in the graves. The spirit of those who are in the graves are with Christ forever. It is already resurrected, when we were made alive together with Christ, when we died in Christ (Rom. 6:8: 2 Tim. 2:11).
---Luke on 7/30/14


Luke: You keep insisting that it is the spooks of dead people that Jesus brings with Him at His 2nd coming, even though He comes to awaken the dead at that time. Why not accept what the Bible teaches and stop with the insults?

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the HOLY ANGELS with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:



---jerry6593 on 7/30/14


Why Luke do you keep saying that I do not believe that we are Spiritually Born Again. We must be Born Again John 3 to enter the Kingdom. So yes I believe and have been Born Again.

If JESUS comes again only once as you suggest then Jude is referring to the angels. Which is a good point.

For as you pointed out, all must be called out of the Graves John 5:28,29.

So are you a Post Millinealist?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/29/14


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Jerry,
like your brother, you butchered the passages. You are another who does not believe our spirits are together with Christ.
Jude 14 speaks of saints, Rev. 5:11 speaks of angels the word is "Aggelos" The word in Jude 14 is "Hagios, meaning those set apart, sanctified, consecrated.
Second, There is only One Second Coming of Christ. Not two not three but One. Now read who will come with Christ so don't be ignorant,
"But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep (died physically) let you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, "even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus" 1 Thess. 4:13,14.
---Luke on 7/29/14


The Greek word for Perdition means Ruin.
---love.jesus on 7/28/14


How about the idea of Perdition?
---Carla on 7/28/14


Luke: "Both passages teach the saints come with Christ."

You are trying to force-fit the passages into your preconceived paradigm. The "saints" (Gr. "hagios", or "holy ones") in Jud 14 refers to angels, not dead people. (Compare the "ten thousands" in Rev 5:11).

The appearing with Christ at His second coming (Col 3:4) occurs AFTER He comes - not before. 1 Th 4:16 & 17 show that both the righteous dead and living rise to meet Jesus in the air. John 14:3 shows that Jesus comes to receive us to Himself and take us with Him to heaven.



---jerry6593 on 7/28/14


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Samuel,
You butchered the passages. You now say Jesus comes two times. One, He touches the ground and other He doesn't. Two Second Comings.

"For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God" (Col. 3:3).
The verb tense indicates that a death occurred in the past, in this case at the death of Jesus Christ, where believers were untied with Him, their penalty of sin was paid, and they rose with Him in new life. It means we have a common spiritual life with the Father and Son. (1 Cor. 6:17:
"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him" You don't believe in the spiritual birth
When Jesus comes, He will come with ten thousand saints. There is but One Second Coming.
---Luke on 7/28/14


Luke on the first you are correct. The Second it depends. I am sorry I do not remember if you are pre -tribulation rapture or not. I am not. To me the Second Coming is the rapture at which time the Saints will be resurrected and taken to heaven. I am also Premillennial which means JESUS descends from heaven with the saints to touch the earth and bring down the New Jerusalem. So Jude is not speaking of the Second Coming but the coming of the Great White Throne judgment.

Colossians 3:4 is about appearing with JESUS in glory. Which at the first resurrection we appear in the heaven and are given our new Glorious bodies. First Corinthians 15.

So you seem to have run out of verses for your point of view.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/27/14


//Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also saying,
"Behold, the Lord comes with Ten Thousand of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him"//
Jude 14.

Ok Samuel/Jerry,
who are these saints who come with Jesus at His Second Coming?
Colossians 3:4 says,
"For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory' Both passages teach the saints come with Christ. Do you both want to butcher these passages?
---Luke on 7/27/14


Jerry, To continue the metaphor of Gehenna, the superstitious religious say "oh their worms dieth not" (immortal worms ?) but the trash that didn't quite make it to the fire, like caught on the ledges, were consumed by maggots, same as any dump !
---1stcliff on 7/26/14


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The biblical word for "hell", the place of burning, is "gehenna", Hebrew for the valley (or gorge) of the sons of Hinnom. It was the trash dump just outside the walls of Jerusalem. It was kept continually burning for sanitation and to drive away scavengers. Thus it served as the perfect metaphor for the lake of fire.

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble:....that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

---jerry6593 on 7/26/14


---1stcliff That was kind of funny. I believe we are probably off on the dimensions. But I will worry about that when we get there and can check it out together. I believe that the New Earth will be like the Garden of Eden. That GOD will be with us on the New Earth. Sorry about the mistake.

Luke I do believe what the Bible says. The topic here is what happens after death and to the wicked. Not Predestination.

The wicked will die the Second death this is what the Bible says. I believe it is true. I also believe that the Righteous shall be resurrected to Eternal life with GOD.
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/25/14


The New Jerusalem is going to be huge. Some people think it wil be shaped like a pyramid. Very likely its weight will cause the earth to wobble a little on its axis.
---love.jesus on 7/25/14


Samuel, No I'm not JW, you actually believe that the New Jerusalem is "literal?"
1500 miles cubed, that's 5 times higher than our space station, no atmosphere, no oxygen! But hey, you can believe that the moon is a cardboard box if you like , that's freedom of religion!
I try to stay with reality !
---1stcliff on 7/25/14


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//Even in sleep I will be connected to my LORD and Savior JESUS CHRIST.//

You talk but do not believe. You have no answer as to how you stay connected to Christ. I cannot make you understand spiritual matters. Only God can do that.
When a person is born of God, his soul is saved forever. He is spiritually baptized into the body of Christ forever. That is what Ephesians chapter 2 talks about. You just do not see it.
People who are lost, "the unregenerate" are walking dead. Dead in trespasses and sins. They think, talk, and do the desires of their father the devil. They have no way of getting out of their condition.
But God, because of His love for you, made us alive together with Christ. Spiritual birth. Agape
---Luke on 7/25/14


Luke: You claim that those of us who are not into your definition of spiritualism are lost, as:

"You are admitting you are not born of the Spirit. That at this moment you have no salvation."

It is apparent to me that you may indeed be born of a spirit, but that spirit is not of God. When you dare to judge another man's salvation, you usurp the sole prerogative of God, and thus commit blasphemy. The Holy Spirit of God does not work against God.



---jerry6593 on 7/25/14


Carla: "Where did the concept of Purgatory come from?"

It came from the Catholic Church centuries after the Cross. It was a money-making scheme whereby "believers" could rescue their deceased loved ones from the fires of hell by paying money to the Church. Of course, such schemes only work with a populace that is ignorant of the Bible's teaching.


---jerry6593 on 7/25/14


You forget Cliff that the dwelling place of GOD the New Jerusalem will descend to earth and GOD will dwell here with us. Revelation 21:2

If I am correct you are a JW. Are you?

So do you not believe you have to be Born Again to live in the New Earth. In John 3 all have to be Born Again to see the Kingdom which means to live in the New Earth we have to be Born Again.

So yes I am Evangelical and believe in the Good News that JESUS came to save sinners. That he turns sinners into saints by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/25/14


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Samuel, You sound like the evangelical religion who believe that God abandoned His plan to have the earth teeming with people (as with Adam's mandate) and take all the survivors to live in a heavenly realm. This is today's religion, not God's plan , who does not let satan change His mind!
"What I have purposed, I will do" God says.
Because Christ said He was "taking some to rule with Him"
set the ball rolling and every man Jack jumps on the heavenly bandwagon, I'm going to heaven, but Jesus said "I chose you" not the other way around ! !
---1stcliff on 7/24/14


Where did the concept of Purgatory come from my mother always said it was a holding place for sinner who never got through to rest in peace, is this impossible ?
---Carla on 7/24/14


Luke the bb in my name stands for Born Twice. I was an agnostic when JESUS saved me. My salvation is secure in him and I trust Him alone. So I have been born of the Spirit.
When I die the first time I go to sleep and will be resurrected to see my beloved Savior who died for me and is coming back to take me and all who love Him to heaven. Even in sleep I will be connected to my LORD and Savior JESUS CHRIST. I a Mortal who can die will by the Grace of GOD alone become immortal.
Are you saying our soul is immortal? Where does the Bible say that?
Yes by the Spirit we are baptized into one body. So how does believing this teach that I am not born of the HOLY SPIRIT?
Those who suffer the Second death are not born of the Spirit.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/24/14


Dear Cluny since the Orthodox churches do not submit their doctrines to the authority of GOD as outlined in scripture.

How can they be the true body of JESUS.

The True body of JESUS is all people no matter what denomination who:
Luke 10:27

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thyself.

1Co 2:9

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/24/14


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**"You're like the other[s]... who make a religion out of a few misunderstood scriptures!"

that would be of every denomination but the true Body of Christ.
---aka on 7/24/1**

In other words, the Orthodox, aka.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/24/14


"You're like the other[s]... who make a religion out of a few misunderstood scriptures!"

that would be of every denomination but the true Body of Christ.
---aka on 7/24/14


Dear Samuel,
You are admitting you are not born of the Spirit. That at this moment you have no salvation. Then you turn around and give me (1 Cor. 15:51-54, which is speaking of the corruptible physical body. At the Second Coming our bodies will be changed to incorruptible, this mortal must put on immortality. The physical body right now is mortal.
But in the Spirit we are baptized into one body in Christ forever. What happens is, that in your theology when you physically die, you are no longer connected to Christ. You are separated again from God, no spiritual salvation. Waiting to be connected again at the Second Coming. Read the Scriptures.
---Luke on 7/24/14


aka, I think there is a lot of truth in what you say, but it is doubtful that Solomon wrote it.
---love.jesus on 7/21/14

that's the beauty of God's Word. There are enough openings for expert rabbit trails for those who want to travel them.
---aka on 7/23/14


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Luke, You're like the other evangelicals who make a religion out of a few misunderstood scriptures!
At present, you are born human and as such cannot live in any other environment than earth!
So those who will rein as kings and priests with Christ in "heaven" needs be re born a spirit person such as angels
but this happens after resurrection! As at present you are still just a human,very difficult to breathe above 10,000 ft!!
---1stcliff on 7/23/14


Dear Luke you are confusing putting on Immortality which the Verse Jerry gives in ICorinthians 15.

With our future and current positional authority in Christ which Ephesians is speaking of.

So you are confusing and misusing the scripture to buttress up your belief.

What you must do is go to scripture to find what it says then build your beliefs from Scripture.

So how do you explain the Scriptures Jerry gave?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/23/14


//He claims that converted Christians (born again) put on immortality at that point. The Bible refutes that notion, claiming that immortality is put on at the resurrection at Jesus 2nd coming.//

Jerry, when a person is born of God spiritually, he is baptized into one Body in Christ, and is together with Christ forever.
"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us (believers) even when we were dead in trespasses, "made us alive together with Christ" (by grace you have been saved) and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.."
(Eph. 2:4-6).
Jerry, you need to be born of the Spirit to understand. Agape
---Luke on 7/23/14


Samuel: "Luke if Jerry said we are not Born Again by the HOLY SPIRIT then He made a grave error."

Of course I never said that. Luke is confusing the Holy Spirit with spiritualism. He claims that converted Christians (born again) put on immortality at that point. The Bible refutes that notion, claiming that immortality is put on at the resurrection at Jesus 2nd coming.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Ti 6:16 [God] Who only hath immortality


---jerry6593 on 7/23/14


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//In our Theology when a person dies they go to sleep. Those who follow JESUS will be resurrected in the First resurrection to never truly die.//

Samuel,
You missed the whole point of our salvation. It is a spiritual salvation not a physical one, our bodies have not been redeemed.
We, who are saved, are made alive together with Christ. Baptized into one body spiritually. You do not understand what Jesus said.
"I Am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me though he may die (physically) he shall live (spiritually). And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die (spiritually). Do you believe this?"
You do not believe this Samuel.
Your theology is in the flesh, not in the Spirit. Agape
---Luke on 7/23/14


Shira,
I agreed with you. Disagreed with Jerry who answered you.

Dear Samuel,
you are missing the boat. Have you read Jude 14? There you will see that saints who died physically are with the Lord not in the ground asleep as you suppose.
"Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousand of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him"
If believers are in the ground, who is coming with Christ? The saints who have died physically. They are together with Christ forever. Why do you not understand such matters of the Spirit? Agape
---Luke on 7/23/14


\\ But those who were never born again will be resurrected in the Second Resurrection and die. \\

So, do I understand you correctly that the SDA teaches that God will resurrect the lost only to destroy them?

Is that correct?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/22/14


Luke if Jerry said we are not Born Again by the HOLY SPIRIT then He made a grave error. Seventh day Adventist teach we must be Born Again to become part of the Kingdom of GOD. We must have a Spiritual life through being filled with the HOLY SPRIT.
John 3.
In our Theology when a person dies they go to sleep. Those who follow JESUS will be resurrected in the First resurrection to never truly die. But those who were never born again will be resurrected in the Second Resurrection and die.
Born Once die twice. Born twice die once.
The Christian point is that GOD is a loving caring GOD who must punish and rid the universe of the wicked. But He does not delight in the torture and death of people.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/22/14


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Samuelbb7, We don't have to guess, I'm with you on that!
---1stcliff on 7/22/14


Luke our flesh will surely die. Whether you believe or not is not up to me. I will have a new body in heaven. When my flesh dies, that is 1 death.
---shira4368 on 7/22/14


Samuel,
there is no Great White Throne Resurrection. There is the Great White Throne of Judgment.

//Shira: "Our body will die but our spirit will live." That's not what the Bible says.//

Jerry, you admit SDA's are not born of the Spirit. SDA's have no spiritual life. In your theology, when a person dies, he dies. And then awakes on the Day of the Lord, at the resurrection, but you missed the whole Christian point.
"Jesus said to her, "I Am the resurrection and the life. "He who believes in Me though he may die, he shall live. And whoever believes in Me shall never die. "Do you believe this?", John 11:25,26.
Shall never die. He is united with the Lord forever.
---Luke on 7/22/14


Samuelbb7, How would one go about casting hell into the lake of fire ?(literally)
Pick it up by the edges??Is this a geographic location? Is it not already on fire? (as evangelicals believe)
Just askin.

---1stcliff

Actually a good question. If it is a literal place how would you do it and why would you cast a place of fire into a fire to be destroyed.

If on the other hand you look at it being symbolic of the place of the dead or graves then it would not be a problem. You would just be saying there is no more need of a place of the dead for they will never be any more death.

But that is just a guess. What do you think?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/21/14


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At the Great White Throne Resurrection the hypocrites and Jewish leaders who murdered JESUS will see:


Luke 13:28

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

They will know they will die because of the choices and regret not getting to be in the New Jerusalem. As will many others who see they could have been saved but choose to be lost.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/21/14


Mat 13:42 and throw them into the furnace of fire, there men will weep and gnash their teeth.

Mat 13:50 there men will weep and gnash their teeth.

Mat 22:13 Then the king said to the attendants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and cast him into the outer darkness, there men will weep and gnash their teeth.'

Mat 24:51 and will punish him, and put him with the hypocrites

Mat 25:30 there men will weep and gnash their teeth.'

The place where consequences for wrongdoing is served is not AFTER we leave this earth. HYPOCRITES do what is contrary to their conscience and the result is that they feel uncomfortable with themselves (they grind/gnash their teeth)....while their conscience "weeps".
---faithforfaith on 7/21/14


aka, I think there is a lot of truth in what you say, but it is doubtful that Solomon wrote it.
---love.jesus on 7/21/14


Shira: "Our body will die but our spirit will live."

That's not what the Bible says.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing

1Ti 6:16 [God] Who only hath immortality


---jerry6593 on 7/21/14


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We are born from our mothers womb, then when we are born into the family of God. That is twice born. Our body will die but our spirit will live. If one is born from their earthly mother but never born into the family of God, they are born once. their flesh dies and their spirit is doomed. That is my concept. If we aren't born again, we will be in hell which is worse than dying. If anyone has better words, please help me out here.
---shira4368 on 7/20/14


(Eccl.9:5)

---love.jesuson 7/20/14

By itself...Way out of context..

Solomon...very depressed at this time... was referring to the memory of man of other men. He was saying that nothing we do is remembered by others eventually Or rewarded.

Ecclesiastes 9:1 KJV

For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this, that the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God: no man knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them.

---aka on 7/20/14


Samuelbb7, How would one go about casting hell into the lake of fire ?(literally)
Pick it up by the edges??Is this a geographic location? Is it not already on fire? (as evangelicals believe)
Just askin.
---1stcliff on 7/20/14


For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. (Eccl.9:5)
---love.jesus on 7/20/14


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Born once die twice. Born Twice die once.

I keep waiting for you to give me Bible verses and to answer the verses I give. So what do these verse mean? Have you even listened to Dr. Edward Fudge?


Rev 2:11

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches, He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev 20:6

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:14

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 21:8 ...which is the second death.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/20/14


//The wicked will all die.//

Dear Samuel,
News bulletin, all human beings will die not just the wicked. Physical death.
"And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment" (Heb. 9:27).

Carla,
The subject of sheol, Genna, hades, is explained very well in Scripture. What happens is that many use their own feelings about what should happen instead of what Scripture says. They look for things that make them happy. They figure if a person is annihilated he won't have to suffer. They don't like the suffering part. So they invent their own theories. The wicked men will hereafter earnestly wish to be turned to nothing and forever cease to be that they may escape the wrath of God.
---Luke on 7/19/14


carla, cliff is kidding around. he makes some pretty funny comments.

i have slysdexia too.

thanks love.jesus

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there are several derivations for a lot of words. in this case, there are three according to the article. research P-coat. it is amazing.
---aka on 7/18/14


Carla, I was just being silly, no offence intended.
Bless you in your Christian walk, I guess most of us have our own "thorn in the side " to contend with.
---1stcliff on 7/18/14


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1st Cliff,

Bless you and I pray that the God of heaven will ever shine upon you Xxx you obviously have no idea my struggle to actually be able to communicate at the level that I do.

Whether it be dyslexia or through other means I have recently broke my shoulder and have Arthritis, and I now get support. I am doing a degree praise be to God, however if it was for the critic's I would be stuck on social benefits for the rest of my life,I have also been in a major car accident, However I owned my own business, home and vehicle several actually and God can use a donkey he can use anything and if god is blessing me you keep tab on my progress !!!!
---Carla on 7/18/14


Carla, If the world hands you lemons you can make lemonade,but if the world hands you melons...you may be dyslexic !
---1stcliff on 7/17/14


aka, nicely said.
---love.jesus on 7/16/14


Every time a question related to this surfaces from the bowels of Hades, it is pure gehenna.
---aka on 7/16/14


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I think I agree with you 1stCliff.

Gehenna is a future event so right now all just go into the Grave. Which is why the resurrection First Corinthians 15 is so important.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/16/14


I have dyslexia !
---Carla on 7/16/14


Fine bible interpreters on here
who can't tell a metephor from literal!
The fires are in the metaphor "Gehenna" (not Genna) Hades are Sheol are the common grave of mankind.
The last time you attended a funeral ,did you notice any fire down in the hole?
Jesus was in Hades (tomb) for parts of 3 days, He wasn't burned!
---1stcliff on 7/16/14


Isa 66:22-24

For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

The wicked will all die.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/16/14


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faithforfaith, all good points.
---love.jesus on 7/15/14


The term "lake of fire" is ONLY in Revelation (it is from the ancient Egyptian "BOOK OF THE DEAD"....God has a book of LIFE).

The Jews brought many beliefs and practices with them when they left Egypt (that is why God DIVORCED THEM and called them the "faithless ones").

Read about the "Book of the dead" at Wikipedia and you will see the term "lake of fire" (Revelation was for the Jews and to the Jews). The Jews had two witnesses in Rev., but WE have THREE witnesses, 1 John 5:8.

In the NT, Jesus speaks of a "hell of fire".
---faithforfaith on 7/15/14


Mat 5:22 the hell of fire.



Mat 13:42 and throw them into the furnace of fire, there men will weep and gnash their teeth.


Mat 13:50 and throw them into the furnace of fire, there men will weep and gnash their teeth.


Mat 22:13 Then the king said to the attendants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and cast him into the outer darkness, there men will weep and gnash their teeth.'


Mat 24:51 and will punish him, and put him with the hypocrites, there men will weep and gnash their teeth.


this is what causes confusion in terminology....Jas 3:6 and set on fire by hell.

ALL VERSES ARE FROM THE RSV.
---faithforfaith on 7/15/14


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