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How do you feel about all the children fleeing violence and murder in South America to come here?

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SrongAxe: 'Just as leftist media ignore or hide stories that are uncomfortable for the left, the right does exactly the same thing for their side.'

I'm sure that applies in some cases, yes. We should of course be willing to argue against whichever side we 'support' in politics, if it does something wrong.

I assume you will do that, with whichever side you may prefer to support?
---Peter on 8/23/14


\\Their parents are sending them here and exploiting their own children to gain access into the U.S. for themselves to get free benefits.\\

Are they? Do you have any proof of this?

\\ The remaining so called 'children' are actually 16 and 17 year old gang members coming here to smuggle drugs and commit crimes. \\

Are they? One is not an adult in the US until the age of 18--17 in Louisiana.

\\The idea that 5 and 7 year children are running away from home and leaving their parents to come here on their own for safety is a lie.\\

Except for the pix shown of them on the national media.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/22/14


Bro.Jed,all respect I sure do agree & think you said it all, the way I see here. I ran into a neighbor we got to talking, there are new hondurans here already.They are teenagers..what you said has been my own theory but the blogg on this was closed.
God is real, He will up hold his own the christians don't mean we will not have challenges..
Love of Jesus! Col.1:23,1Th.5:17.
---Elena_9555 on 8/22/14


Kids are not fleeing violence to come here. Their parents are sending them here and exploiting their own children to gain access into the U.S. for themselves to get free benefits. Other children are being exploited by criminals to gain access to the U.S. The remaining so called 'children' are actually 16 and 17 year old gang members coming here to smuggle drugs and commit crimes. The idea that 5 and 7 year children are running away from home and leaving their parents to come here on their own for safety is a lie.
---Jed on 8/16/14


Has anyone thought what you would do if someone was going to behead your child? I have thought a lot about it. It scares me to death. They aren't trying to scare anyone, they just do it because they are evil. I would tell them to take my head and not my child's. I can see that coming to america.
---shira4368 on 8/15/14




I got to agree with Shira4368, many times without mention names, people
use children to do detremental things
children are not aware of who is bad or who is good, a few $$ and what ever else at the moment, Kids will do alot of things..people miss use for alot of evil things..
I pray that I am wrong, about my gut feelings...
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 8/14/14


\\ Things are winding down for earth. \\

Are they?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/1/14


Kathr, I know the verse very well. Things are winding down for earth. I have family who are not saved. I've prayed for them for years but they are educated and they know it all. Someone like me, a down to earth dummy can't tell an intelligent person anything. I feel bad for them.
---shira4368 on 7/28/14


Shira, you know the verse..."some meant it for Evil, but God meant it for good". Seeing the signs of the times....I have to wonder if the Lord isn't bringing them here. We really don't know...

Yes something big is going on, and we really need to Pray and seek the Lord I this matter. This earth is not our home anyway. We're here as ambassadors for Christ no matter where we live.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/14


The kids coming here from South America goes deeper than fleeing violence. There is a reason for all this to happen all of a sudden. I don't know but it's deep.
---shira4368 on 7/27/14




Anyway, I'm not running scared myself. God is good. Enjoy your Sunday.
---love.jesus on 7/27/14


love.jesus:

You wrote: Nobody is controlling anything, else we wouldn't be having this conversation.

No, that just means that nobody is controlling everything. It's still possible for some things to be controlled.
---StrongAxe on 7/27/14


StrongAxe you still avoid the issue of the Left dominating the media.

Experts acknowledge the majority of people do not have the time/resources to sift through ALL the bias. Hence they rely on easy ways to decide and are thus susceptible to whoever controls debate through dominating the media. The Left clearly dominates media debate, confirmed even by leftists like Tammy Bruce.

The deceitful Left take advantage of this. Tactics such as feigned outrage with their trademark false allegations (racist, Islamophobe, misogynist, etc), all meant to stop debate and falsely shame opponents into silence.

Balanced debate would be 50/50. Rational debate would keep to facts. Clearly the Left does not want this.
---Haz27 on 7/27/14


Nobody is controlling anything---love.jesus

As I said in previous post, 100% control is not necessary. Just having majority control is enough. The Left have that majority control through the media, universities, etc.

The Left is known for it's preference for totalitarianism.

Leftist governments here in Australia often try to introduce laws to restrict freedom of speech and take away our rights, and this issue is not debated by our predominantly leftist media.

Over the years these laws have slowly and subtly succeeded to be passed. Gradualism is the way to change society.

Note how the Left has made abortion/murder and same gender marriages socially acceptable over the years.

---Haz27 on 7/27/14


Nobody is controlling anything, else we wouldn't be having this conversation.
---love.jesus on 7/26/14


Haz27:

Just as leftist media ignore or hide stories that are uncomfortable for the left, the right does exactly the same thing for their side. Fox news omits stories that are bad for the right - or sometimes deliberately distort them to spin them in the other direction by taking things egregiously out of context. With both sides playing dirty, there's no way ANYONE is going to get balanced reporting, other than viewing all news with the attitude of "they're all liars" and trying to manually sift the wheat from the chaff.
---StrongAxe on 7/26/14


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The Left dominate the media so they're the info gatekeepers controlling public debate/thought.

Examples. A Left government here passed laws to make it legal for politicians to tell lies in parliament. Of course the Left dominated media said nothing about this newsworthy fact, hence most people knew nothing of it.

We see the same silence from Left dominated media on Leftist government laws against free speech, and laws taking away our rights.

And the Left dominated media remain silent on the abortion/murder of babies, as that would expose the Left's greatest evil.

What we need is fair, balanced media debate. Until then the Left's dominance of the media and thus debate/thought, will continue the PC evils.
---Haz27 on 7/26/14


StrongAxe. Either you're missing the point or avoiding it.

In USA, Leftist Tammy Bruce raised the issue that it's the Left who DOMINATE the media and thus control public debate, hence there is no fair, balanced public debate. This is the issue you're missing/avoiding (not the fact that both Left/Right are biased).

Tammy argued that fair, balanced public debate served society better.

Australia's media is likewise predominately leftist. Our tax payer funded ABC is obliged by it's charter to be impartial and to provide balance. BUT it's controlled by deceitful leftists who ignore these obligations. Instead they misuse our biggest media outlet to combine with other leftist media to dominate/control public debate/thought.
---Haz27 on 7/26/14


Many rightist politicians introduce ludicrous laws like one recently in California requiring divorced women (but not men) to obtain a judge's permission before dating again.///

Yep, the Taliban would also be considered right wing.

So exactly how and how much money would it cost to regulate this bill, at the again tax payers expense.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/14


Haz27:

You said: leftist activist Tammy Bruce...

How biased leftist media is, and how leftist journalists react to this, has no bearing on how biased rightist media is.

In Australia majority of media is Left.

The percentage of the media that is left or right has no bearing on whether leftist media is more or less deceitful than rightist media.

... so much PC extremism in government policy...

Many rightist politicians introduce ludicrous laws like one recently in California requiring divorced women (but not men) to obtain a judge's permission before dating again.

"The pot is black" has does not alter the fact that the kettle is also black.
---StrongAxe on 7/25/14


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The Rightist thought police seem to be just as powerful as the Leftist thought police.
---love.jesus on 7/25/14


StrongAxe. Evidence contradicts you. Consider leftist activist Tammy Bruce who reveals in her book (New Thought Police) how the Left controls public debate through USA media. Her leftist mates abused her for exposing this fact.

In Australia majority of media is Left. Our taxpayer funded media, the ABC, is the largest. The fact leftists love it whilst conservatives don't, is clear evidence of it's leftist deceit and bias (which contravenes it's charter obligation for impartiality and balance).

The fact of so much PC extremism in government policy, and society's growing acceptance of abortion, same gender marriage etc, etc as being normal, also proves how the Left controls society's direction through dominating the media, etc.
---Haz27 on 7/25/14


Haz27:

You said: But the most widespread, dominant propaganda is from the leftist dominated media. This is acknowledged in USA, Europe and Australia.

Note that "this is acknowledged" by conservative media. Liberal media would claim different statistics. And it likely varies from country to country. Without lists of specific incidents, it would be unwise to make blanket statements.

Unfortunately, many Americans take Fox news to be the Gospel truth.
---StrongAxe on 7/24/14


Have you ever witnessed the inaccuracies on Fox news? Sadly, journalism these days is about propaganda---StrongAxe

I, like most Australians, don't get Fox news. Although I have heard that leftists in USA complain about it's bias.

But the most widespread, dominant propaganda is from the leftist dominated media. This is acknowledged in USA, Europe and Australia.

Even our tax payer funded ABC, Australia's largest media outlet, is a leftist propaganda machine. Whilst this is in contravention to it's charter obligations to be impartial and to offer balance, the leftists who control it know they cannot be legally charged hence they arrogantly continue with their bias in spite of the numerous complaints.
---Haz27 on 7/24/14


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"It is a better and kinder thing to do, not to pin labels on people according to our own biases."
---love.jesus on 7/23/14

A biased person may just be incapable to keep their pins to themselves.
---Nana on 7/23/14


Haz27:

You said: In previous debates we had, you always supported the Left, thus showing who you align yourself with. But based on your statement above it seems you have now changed.

This is because, in matters in which both you and I share conservative views (and I suspect there are many of them), there is no need for debate, so they don't come up in discussion here.

The fact that the Left control public debate and thought through dominating the mainstream media, universities, etc, further confirms they're the greater evil.

Have you ever witnessed the inaccuracies on Fox news? Sadly, journalism these days is about propaganda and entertainment more than truth.
---StrongAxe on 7/23/14


It is a better and kinder thing to do, not to pin labels on people according to our own biases. We can actually know very little about the people we interact with here on these blogs.
---love.jesus on 7/23/14


"Not really, You're just forcing StrongAxe into a mold of your own making."
Cluny on 7/23/14

Yes indeed.
---Nana on 7/23/14


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Not all the people being let into this Country are children the Media makes it sound like all of them are alone but some of them have their Mothers with them plus there are some grown males too. Has no one thought about the situation being used for dangerous Undesirables to come into this Country. Even some of the larger children could be trained to be Undesirables. I'm not saying they are just looking at possibilities. I guess I'm just from the Old School,better safe than sorry.
---Darlene_1 on 7/23/14


\\In previous debates we had, you always supported the Left, thus showing who you align yourself with. But based on your statement above it seems you have now changed.\\

Not really, You're just forcing StrongAxe into a mold of your own making.

He's like the rest of us: liberal in some ways and conservative in others.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/23/14


For Christians to align themselves with either political faction is a marriage made in hell---StrongAxe

I think any Christian who aligns themselves with either the Left or Right are either naive or narrow minded.

In previous debates we had, you always supported the Left, thus showing who you align yourself with. But based on your statement above it seems you have now changed.

As I've indicated in previous debates I support neither side. But I've found the Left to be without doubt the greater evil of the two.

The fact that the Left control public debate and thought through dominating the mainstream media, universities, etc, further confirms they're the greater evil.
---Haz27 on 7/22/14


Haz27:

Mussonlini was a fascist. He also made the trains run on time. To say "anyone who supports punctuality therefore supports Mussolini, and is therefore a fascist" is logically flawed. You make the same kind of assumptions about who and what I support.

There is much that is right about the right, and much that is wrong about it - same with the left. For Christians to align themselves with either political faction is a marriage made in hell. Jesus was offered rulership on earth at the price of compromise with evil, and he wisely refused. Many Christians over the past millenia, from Popes to Evangelicals, have sadly chosen differently.
---StrongAxe on 7/22/14


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\\In past debates StrongAxe has always argued in support for the Left. Therefore one logically concludes he supports its twisted policies.\\

Is pointing out the inconsistencies of Faction A the same as supporting Faction B?

I think not.

I am a committed pro-lifer, and that's why I agree with StrongAxe's comments on this particular blog about people caring for unborn babies more than they, do for them after they or born--or their mothers, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/22/14


Cluny, I'm sure you're aware the Left is the Dem's. Here in Australia it's the ALP and it's more evil twin the Greens.

In past debates StrongAxe has always argued in support for the Left. Therefore one logically concludes he supports its twisted policies.

The Left dominates the media in many countries and indoctrinates society with their deceitful propaganda. Hence society is conned into accepting its twisted agenda on killing babies, etc.
---Haz27 on 7/22/14


\\However your support for the deceitful, hypocritical, evil Left, in spite of it's endorsement for killing babies, only adds confusion as to what you really stand for.\\

How is he supporting the Left? And what do you mean by "the Left"?

Someone once said if you feed the hungry, you're called a saint, but if you ask why they are hungry you're called a Communist.

I am strongly pro-life, but there's more to being pro-life than stopping babies from getting murdered. Does this make me leftist?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/22/14


StrongAxe, if I misunderstood you then I apologize. However your support for the deceitful, hypocritical, evil Left, in spite of it's endorsement for killing babies, only adds confusion as to what you really stand for.
---Haz27 on 7/22/14


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These 'debating' people argue to no end.

Google creation/warwick-armstrong

This may be also the Haze Man.
---Nana on 7/22/14


Haz27:

You said: StrongAxe, I see your still pushing the Left's endorsement for murdering babies.
and He may be against abortion on demand, BUT above StrongAxe is against those who try to stop abortions and then he falsely alleges no aid is given to poorer countries when aid is given.

I said absolutely nothing of the kind. I was pointing out the hypocricy of those willing to spend much effort and expense to stop abortions - but then care nothing for children after they emerge from the womb - e.g. turning back orphans at the border. This kind of thinking is all too common in right-wing circles.

I applaud those who are concerned with the unborn and stay concerned once they are born.
---StrongAxe on 7/21/14


Cluny.
StrongAxe said What about those deceitful rightists who are more than willing to pump millions of dollars into trying to stop abortions in third world countries, but once those children are born and safely out of the womb, they are left to their own devices, with no help from us?

He may be against abortion on demand, BUT above StrongAxe is against those who try to stop abortions and then he falsely alleges no aid is given to poorer countries when aid is given.

This is consistent with previous debates with leftist suggestions that abortions alleviate poverty.
---Haz27 on 7/21/14


\\StrongAxe, I see your still pushing the Left's endorsement for murdering babies.\\

Haz, I know StrongAxe in real life, and I can assure you he's NOT in favor of abortion on demand.

Therefore, you don't see anything at all.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/14


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KarenD does it give you pleasure to ask if I am ignorant,the question about the clothes sounds like it. You say I want to treat those children badly and continue with the scripture doesn't matter to me and I am not Christian by saying "some who call themselves Christian". All of your statements are false and hatefully wrong. I have always said America needs to take care of its own first. I will always feel that way,it doesn't mean I have no compassion for others just not at the expense of people who are Citizens when America doesn't even take care of its own the way it should. Maybe you need to clean up your speech KarenD that doesn't sound very Christian in and of itself attacking another Christian and judging them. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 7/21/14


Kath4453, you are so,right on the $$$
the portuquese made a mends,that side of the family are rich.They left her everything! My neighbor she'fr Puerto Rico, her dad the 50's got Africans, bought them, to do hard labor his wet lands, & mill
He refuse let them return.Smart!
the kids of the" indentured slaves" being P.R..citizens sued the estate and now, are rich.She said her dad got so, angry he left in disgrace.
She and her mother almost starved.
She came to USA to work, send $ to her mom.
Thankyou, Kath4453, agree with you.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/21/14


Kath4453, Yes! Sister, you are correct
OBAMA PROMISES, sink way back a lot of illegals were promised,amnesty but Obama has sent bk more people than any other president.People were shocked.
Obama really surprized them.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/21/14


Australia has a big detention camp for illegal aliens on Christmas Island. I have a friend who works there.
---love.jesus on 7/20/14


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\\Flyers were found, printed up by Mexican authorities, telling how to take advantage of America's loopholes.\\

And who found these flyers, where did you read this report, and where can we find out FOR SURE what these flyers say?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/14


Elena, thank you for sharing that. Everyone has so much history in their back ground. It reminds me of the history of our very nation, especially our own greed, taking land, murdering , breaking treaties with the native Americans so we could have a better life. Stealing lands given( ha ha) to them that was already theirs, only to find gold on the land and finding ways to take it back. KARMA is hell. Or should I say, human nature has not changed from the beginning of time.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/14


StrongAxe, I see your still pushing the Left's endorsement for murdering babies. You suggest it alleviates poverty. Hence you condemn anyone who tries to stop abortions.

But many in richer countries provide aid etc for poorer countries. Your claim that this does not occur is wrong.

The influx of hordes of economic refugees illegally entering richer countries only creates financial burdens in welfare, etc, that then drains national finances resulting in a reduction in help for the other needy within those richer countries.

Our previous leftist government mismanaged finances here and now we're facing cut backs to rectify the Left's mess.
---Haz27 on 7/20/14


To Kath4453, Hello, the Cubans sent (the ones) I knew were for people Americans & Canadians,women, families, who were unable to have children.Nite time ' 50's into 1960'white Cuban children,

Portugal also, got in "back talk" later (taking the black, mulatto children) as indenture (slavery)like my relatives,
under ground movement.
I do know some Cuban kids grown up, online say' hurt, angry they lost their language and their culture.

the people like my family, feel they got a good deal.Blacks,never been upper class,.. happy, being up rooted.Portugal & Cuba have great friendship now!

Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/20/14


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Think about this, Cluny:

"Something" must have occured to have all these "children" cross the border all at once, in a very short period of time. Sure, children have always been crossing the border, but the fact is why all of a sudden hundreds of thouands within a couple of months? Flyers were found, printed up by Mexican authorities, telling how to take advantage of America's loopholes. It appears to me the whole thing was staged, planned, organized to accomplish some agenda, considering what goverments have done throughout history, or some sort of distraction?

"Something" must have triggered all these "children" to cross the border all at once, in a very short period of time.
---Steveng on 7/20/14


Haz27:

You said: And the deceitful leftists often use kids amongst illegals to make emotional appeals, without the facts

What about those deceitful rightists who are more than willing to pump millions of dollars into trying to stop abortions in third world countries, but once those children are born and safely out of the womb, they are left to their own devices, with no help from us?
---StrongAxe on 7/20/14


I believe that it is virtually impossible to know which people have genuine needs and which ones are being dishonest - in any situation where one group hope to be helped by another group. People lie and cheat in all walks of life and money meant for one group often ends up in the hands of another. This is, of course, no excuse to not help when we can but we need real discernment and should pray for God's guidance. For every scammer who takes what they don't need a genuine needy person is left without. We have this problem, in another form, in the U.K. also.
---Rita_H on 7/20/14


Illegal immigration for whatever reason becomes murky and doubtful with the deceit and political agendas behind it. This makes it very difficult to find the right balance to help genuine refugees.

We have illegal immigration in Australia. And the deceitful leftists often use kids amongst illegals to make emotional appeals, without the facts. They even encourage illegals in detention to self-harm to get media headlines for the Left's political agenda.

Illegals are just a political football that leftists like to use for selfish political gain.

The previous leftist government here are responsible for 1200 deaths due to their open doors policy to illegals. All they would say is "tragedies happen".

---Haz27 on 7/19/14


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The majority of illegals who come across wear one pair of good clothes and sometimes carry a backpack with a change of clothes. Do you think that other countries in the world don't have the same kinds of clothes that we have here? Nothing in any media reports says these kids are poor although many of them are. It is sad to hear people who profess to be Christians wanting to treat these children badly. I will have to say that there are some who are 14-17 years old who are not children, but young people who are very street savy. I guess the part about clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, etc. doesn't matter to some who call themselves Christians.
---KarenD on 7/19/14


Darlene1, the current issue with the children coming from the three most violent crime infested countries has nothing to do with poverty, but the war on drugs pushing the gangsta's further south from Mexico to Honduras and surrounding countries there. That is something agreed upon by both dems and republicans.

I doubt the pictures you saw were of kids before they were given clean cloths to put on. Even if I took a day trip hiking in the mountains, I wouldn't look picture perfect.....so, common sense says ......
---kathr4453 on 7/19/14


Darlene, we need to clean our own homes before we try to clean others. All this is political and the next big election is for president. Just watch how the leftist are doing. Meanwhile dr. Phil has a feed the children foundation that was meant for kids in our own country. We have sent enough money overseas to clean their houses plus feed them so who got all that money? Of course the people didn't get any. This is a sore subject with me. Some people are afraid to speak out. IRS might zero in on them. Christians better start standing up for what's right. Where is the common sense?
---shira4368 on 7/19/14


I thought these children and people came here because of poverty in their Countries but look at some of the pictures of them and get a surprise. I did,their clothes are ordinary middle class type clothing,golf shirts and regular pants. Not poor looking clothes but some of it looks new. That tells me that these people aren't so poor they have to wear ragged clothes and many dress no differently than middle class America. Seems like maybe we're being handed a great big story with no evidence in fact. I think there is more to this whole thing than we can even imagine.
---Darlene_1 on 7/19/14


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Jerry, "children" can't vote.

I read a great article on illegals going back to the 1800's and it has been a serious problem from the 1880's on. The ONLY president who seem to have any effect was Dwight D. Eisenhower. The finger points to years and years of presidents, Democrat and Republican who's administrations have played a major roll that snowballed to today. Obama has a better record of deportation than Bush or many others before him. I like to find ALL FACTS, and not listening to propaganda. It's a very complicated issue. But Bush did pass that law in 2008 giving them protection.

Luke, you too see this through the eyes of GOD, as many don't. God has a lot to say about how we treat children.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/14


Here is food for thought. America has preformed over 40 million abortions since roe vs wade. Or to be more blunt, out of pure selfishness, America has murdered over 40 million of their own children since 1973.

Elena, my understanding is, just like those parents who sent CHILDREN to America from Cuba, all alone, on boats, yes, the love of a parent for their children that we have seen and are seeing so that they have a "chance to live" is the greatest love of all. It puts us to shame.
---kathr453 on 7/19/14


\\I read that they are being bused in by the Obama administration to destabilize the American economy even further, and to inject more Democrat voters.\\

And just where did you hear that Obama is bussing them in?

In fact, most of these unaccompanied children are coming from Central America via a Mexican freight train called La Bestia.

Yesterday, several hundred children were repatriated (deported, if you'd rather) back to Central America from Nogales.

And no, love.jesus. Race has nothing to do with this. Growing up in Alabama, we always considered Latinos to be white.

The problem is their coming into the country illegally.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/14


Well, I was alarmed, shocked!
had no idea, people fr Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador & Guatemala send their kids here alone!! mercy Jesus!

NO wisdom - the gangs are way out of control, we have alot of gang violence , it seems like they are not in reality, the same kids-there NO guarantee of safety!!
Satan is still Satan seeking whom he may devour.The immigration issue is complex, at best, I could not imagine a child alone / foreign country

.we have in this neighborhood the same gangs like the salvadorean La Salvatrucha, many gangs all ethnic groups vicious,

we can't sit out side on the stoop!
I get some fresh air when I go to church.People are moving out like flies!!
due to the gangs & crime here.
---Elena_9555 on 7/19/14


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Who says they are fleeing violence and murder? I read that they are being bused in by the Obama administration to destabilize the American economy even further, and to inject more Democrat voters. How does a child "flee" through several countries on a bus without passports and without parents? What kind of parent would send his child away like that without some official assurance of his protection?

Everything is political today.


---jerry6593 on 7/19/14


Dear Kathr,
There is violence and murder in every country. In many South American countries there is many children on the streets. That is the problem those countries have. It is there problem, but they don't want to solve their problems, they want us to take their burden away from them. Europe also has immigration problems just like us.
Second, we have to remember we are talking about children. We as Christians should be able to extend our help in some way. I don't have an answer to that but whatever happens to them is in the hands of God. Some of those children could become great pastors who in time will bring many to the Lord. We just don't know, only God knows that. That's why this is a very touchy subject. Agape
---Luke on 7/19/14


Love.Jesus I think there would be a lot of objection because the reasons aren't based on race,I have five Mexican cousins,one black and other races,but on the fact children in America are hungry and needing help and no matter who it is invading America our own American Children still should be taken care of and not the invaders. Yes invaders,trespassers people who don't belong here in that way children or not they need to be shipped back to the Country they came from and let them deal with them. America is broke and we cannot keep letting such things happen because we cause hardship on Americans,they pay in the long run. American money for Americans first,to keep giving handouts to all the other Countries is wrong. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 7/19/14


Kathryn, you are undoubtedly correct about that.
---love.jesus on 7/18/14


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If these were dogs and cats fleeing to our borders for protection......millions of Americans would be at the border saying " here kitty kitty.....awwwwwwwhhh....poor kitty kitty"
---kathr4453 on 7/18/14


If it were that these were white children fleeing from Canada for some reason, no one would object.
---love.jesus on 7/18/14


I know there is violence in South America but frankly there is always violence breaking out in South America some where. I would guess those children aren't here due to that. It doesn't matter why they are here,take care of American poor children before they even dare lay out money on those. Frankly America doesn't even take care of their own. the most ideal thing to me send those people back to where they came from and focus on needy American children. It's wearing pretty thin that America plays Big Brother to the World and doesn't care about its own.
---Darlene_1 on 7/18/14


Thousands of children come across into all these border Towns to attend schools on your tax dollars. This is ignored by the cities because they want your tax dollars. Minors coming across in Texas is just a drop in the bucket. Pregnant women come across the order for their babies to be born here. Immigration situation is very complex until you have lived in a border town.
---KarenD on 7/18/14


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Geraldine these children are not technically orphans, so I'm not sure how that would be done legally.

I know they have many to sort through and many will be sent back.

There seems to be so much hostility with many who can't separate this from just plain illegals coming in. Many are accusing these children of lying. Interestingly, those coming are actually coming from countries with the highest crime and murder rate in the world, while other POOR surrounding countries with less violence are not at the border.

One guy who is so against these kids says " oh, I've been down there to Honduras and it's great...there's no violence there". WRONG!
---kathr4453 on 7/18/14


Would it help if couples across America who are planning to adopt came forward and offered to adopt THESE children?
---Geraldine on 7/17/14


Cluny, where can I find that info that Bush in fact began this idea?
---kathr4453 on 7/17/14

William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 provides for:

Children from Central America, where handing them back to authorities is more complicated, the law dictates that Customs and Border Patrol must turn undocumented children over to the Department of Health and Human Services within 72 hours.

HHS will then hold them humanely until they can be released to a suitable family member in the United States.

And the law requires HHS to ensure to the greatest extent practicable that these detained children have counsel to represent them in legal proceedings.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/17/14


about 5 years ago a reporter cannot remember who, summed it up pretty good. "Americans love immigrants (the person) but hate immigration (the process).
---Scott1 on 7/17/14


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Furthermore, Pres. Bush fils signed a law saying that children who come up from Central or South America are NOT to be immediately deported, but are to be given a hearing.////

Yet so many want to deny this fact and bash Obama.

Cluny, where can I find that info that Bush in fact began this idea?

Thanks!
---kathr4453 on 7/17/14


You stated that very well, Cluny. I completely concur.
---love.jesus on 7/17/14


I was about to ask this myself.

My personal immigration reform plan would be to enforce the laws already on the books.

However, the Bible is very clear that orphans--and most of these children are virtual orphans--are not to be oppressed but are to be cared for and helped.

Furthermore, Pres. Bush fils signed a law saying that children who come up from Central or South America are NOT to be immediately deported, but are to be given a hearing.

The only thing I know to do is pray that this situation will be resolved justly.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/14


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