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Are All Christians The Same

Fellow Christians, are all, or some of, your family members saved? If so, do you all attend the same church? Five of us in this family are born-again and between us we attend 3 different denominational churches Fellowship between us is no problem


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Here's the thing Luke, the doctrine of Salvation, OF the Jews NEVER needed to be REFORMED. I don't know what they or you believe needs to be REFORMED, and we see they have REFORMED AND REFORMED AND REFORMED over the years. No need with the original doctrine of Salvation. It never needed reforming.

Reformed is reformed Catholicism. A spin off of Catholicism. BUT salvation OF the Jews was never Catholicism to begin with.

Reformed Menonites, as an example, is still the Menonite doctrine, but has been tweeted by some here and there. Judaism is not reformed, but FULFILLED in Christ. And Christianity is not called REFORMED Judaism. Hope that helps.
---kathr4453 on 8/16/14


Reformed Theology is the theology of the protestant movement ( to protest certain teachings in the RCC re their definition of salvation by works and also having to be RCC to be saved) This movement began in the sixteenth Century with Martin Luther and has continued on since then. Martin Luther was RCC.

Ok so here is the definition. What may I ask did people believe before Martin Luther? Were ALL Christians RCC before Martin Luther? Ans: ABSOLUTELY NOT. There has always been a true Body who were NEVER RCC in the first place, who were actually murdered by the RCC long before Luther who never heard of Reformed ALA Calvinism, or taught it. And many true believers not RCC also objected to Calvinism whom Calvin had murdered.
---kathr453 on 8/16/14


Luke, I'm not upset at all. But it sounds like you are. I see you list several Calvinists who believe in Calvinism. You measure yourself against other Calvinists and believe you measure yourself very high standing next to them. BUT we are NEVER to do that. Absolutely NEVER.

I gave you scripture, and quoted no man or man's commentary. I know exactly what the LORD has taught me, step by step, line upon line, precept upon precept, and The Lord has given me a great FOUNDATION to build upon. That foundation begins in Genesis. And from Genesis on there is no such thing as the doctrine of the TULIP. Jesus CLEARLY SAID "Salvation is OF the Jews" and the Jews NEVER taught the TULIP, or Mormonism or many others we call cults.
---kathr4453 on 8/16/14


Kathr,
I really do not understand why you suddenly got upset. I have learned from many great man. Luther, Augustine, and all the reformers, A. Pink, Charles Spurgeon, RC Sproul, John MacArthur, Michal Horton, and so many more that it would take more space to put their names down. What goes on my answers are their teachings on every passage and subject in Scripture who teach the Reform Doctrine.
What matters to me is the truth no matter who teaches it.
You do not have to believe in the Truth. It is ok. I am only bound by the law of God. People do not have to like it, in fact when it comes to God having control over salvation, people do not like that. I totally understand. Agape
---Luke on 8/15/14


Luke, as nana pointed out, those are not your words but those of a Calvinist according to his own understanding. The LAW of faith is what you do not understand. Luther certainly did as he read Romans and wrote a great book on justification of faith. You also don't understand justification either. God justifies the ungodly, which goes totally against the doctrine of the tulip in every way.

The tulip jumps over justification completely. You use sanctification scriptures written exclusively to those already justified and then try to prove you have been given something special without first being justified, totally misinterpreting scriptures.
So we will have to agree to disagree here.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14




Those who are saved and filled with the HOLY SPIRIT walk in love to others.
Galatians 5:16-26
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

All are offered the Gospel.


John 3:17

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.

Yes Luke the passage was written to Christians telling them that GOD wants to save everyone. Matthew 13 and Luke 8.


John 16:8

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

read the whole chapter.

---Samuelbb7 on 8/11/14


"If salvation is of grace, as the Scriptures so clearly teach, it cannot be of works, whether actual or foreseen. There is no merit in believing, for faith itself is a gift of God. God gives His people an inward working of the Spirit in order that they may believe, and faith is only the act of receiving the proffered gift. It is, then, only the instrumental cause, and not the meritorious cause, of salvation."
From Salvation by Grace by Loraine Boettner

Google "the-highway/sgrace_Boettner"

plagiarism

: the act of using another person's words or ideas without giving credit to that person : the act of plagiarizing something
---Nana on 8/11/14


Dear Kathr,
If salvation is of grace, and we know it is, as the Scriptures so clearly teach, it cannot be of works, whether actual or foreseen.
There is no merit in believing, for faith itself is a gift of God. God gives His people (believers) an inward working of the Spirit in order that they may believe, and faith is only the act of receiving the proffered gift. Faith is then, only the instrumental cause, not the meritorious cause, of Salvation. Grace itself causes us to pray for its continuance and increase.
That is why we are told,
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast" (Eph. 2:8,9).
---Luke on 8/10/14


Mark,
I too am passionate about Almighty God, and respond when people change the Word of God.

"2Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

You changed the word to fit your beliefs.
In the passage "longsuffering toward "us" means the believers and those who will come to Christ. Why? Because Peter writing to the believers (v. 1,2) And had already told them in (v. 2:6,7) about those who are now preserve for fire, so Peter was not saying God was not willing that any should perish and all come to repentance. Otherwise (v. 2:6,7) is false.
---Luke on 8/9/14


Yes you can Cluny. Grace is God's part alone, faith is our part alone. Faith without works is dead. Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac shows Abraham showing his faith through obedience of doing what God asked of him. Neither needed the additional addition of the Law added for the imputation of the Righteousness of God.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/14




\\We are saved by Grace alone through faith. But faith and Grace are never alone\\

Therefore, the expression "grace alone" or "faith alone" is meaningless.

You can't have two "alones".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/14


God made us different so as a Christian I am different from others. We each have our calling but we may not do it exactly like someone else does. We do all have the same salvation. Christ died for all.
---shira4368 on 8/8/14


Good points Kathr4453.

We are saved by Grace alone through faith. But faith and Grace are never alone. For a person who believes acts on their belief.

A person who loves others shows that love other wise it is not true love.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/8/14


romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations FOR THE "OBEDIENCE OF FAITH":

27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

FOR THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH TO ALL NATIONS.

The Obedience of Faith is something WE do. God is not required to obey faith.
---kathr4453 on 8/8/14


In Genesis, sacrifice was required after Adam/Eve sinned. The sacrifice of an animal (shed blood) was required from all who were alive. Abel obeyed, Cain did not. Cain offered a bloodless sacrifice. God gave Cain a second chance to do what God has required. There is no hint whatsoever that "faith" in the coming redeemer was "limited to Abel". If Cain had also obeyed and presented a blood sacrifice, his sin TOO would have been covered like all OT saints who's sin was COVERED until the Blood of Jesus washed away sin once and for all.

Just as the covering was available to Cain, but CAIN refused to obey the LAW OF FAITH, pointing to Christ, all today who refuse to obey the Law of FAITH will die in their sin as did Cain.
---kathr4453 on 8/8/14


The problem is Luke is your understanding and use of that verse is contradicted by the verse Mark posted.

A more likely understanding is that JESUS died for all but many will be saved but not all.


Matthew 1:21

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

JESUS did not die to save us from hell. He died to save us from sin and that leads us to not go to hell.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/8/14


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You sound hostile, nothing new to me....Notice it does not say for everyone.
---Luke on 8/8/14

I am sure you have much hostility thrown at you. Your misunderstanding of god is arrogant, self-serving, and not loving.

And you misunderstand passion for hostility in me. I am passionate to have everyone understand that our Triune God is a God of relationship. that what it means to be a person is to dwell in one another, not apart from one another. Our lives are dependent and relational to God. His eternal purpose for us is adoption, into the triune life of Jesus.

God established that adoption for all people, not a selected few.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/8/14


//Hebrews, Romans, and 1 Peter all say Jesus paid the debt once for ALL. All men, that is, and once for all time.//

Hebrew 10:10 is speaking of believers who have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" "all who were sanctified, believers the "us."


//1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world"//

In the Context, the passage is not teaching Universal salvation but that He is the propitiation for not only those John was speaking to, but for mankind in general. Christ actually paid the penalty only for those who will repent and believe.
Take a lesson on Hermeneutics.
---Luke on 8/8/14


Mark,
You sound hostile, nothing new to me. We do not have Universal salvation, for many are heading to hell. 2. I'm not God, don't know your status with God. I only know what you write. Who are the sheep? Those the Father draws to Himself (John 6:44)
John 10:15 says,
"..I lay down My life for the sheep, (Jews) and other sheep (Gentiles) I have which are not of this fold, them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice, and there will be one flock and One Shepherd" Believing Jews and Gentiles are the sheep.
"For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many" (Mark 10:45) Notice it does not say for everyone.
---Luke on 8/8/14


So the Atonement is limited to only those who believe. It does have a limit and we know that because people are going to hell. Jesus has not paid their debt to God. If the Atonement was paid for all, no one would owe a debt and we would have Universal Salvation.
---Luke on 8/7/14

Wow. Jesus has not paid their debt to God? When does it get paid?

Hebrews, Romans, and 1 Peter all say Jesus paid the debt once for ALL. All men, that is, and once for all time.

What say you to this verse?

1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/7/14


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The Problem Luke is when many of your points are shown by scripture to be incorrect you attack the other person and say they are lost.

So to answer your scripture request we see that JESUS died for the sins of the world. That whosoever believes shall be saved. Not just a small group chosen before hand. Read John 3.


2Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

You say not all can come they are rejected and not died for.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/7/14


Luke, yes, universal salvation.
---love.jesus on 8/7/14


Luke is right about everything he says except the "limited atonement" part.
---love.jesus on 8/6/14

Luke is not right about Jesus dying only for the righteous or only for those who receive His free gift.

God so loved the world...all the world. Jesus himself said this. His Father loved the world, not the cosmos but the people they created. Only with a gift to have all men included would the words "the world" be true.

We have sliced and diced the Word of God so that we no longer know the heart of God or the heart of Jesus. God is love and love takes action. Actions to include those who do not love us. Jesus told us that evil men can love their own. Only with Gods love can we love our enemies.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/7/14


But you are wrong. You don't accept Christ as your Lord and Savior in order to be saved...
---Luke on 8/6/14

When you write such crap, I stop reading as soon as you insult me.

Are you God? Do you know my soul? Do you read my heart? How can you ever possibly know who is saved and who is not?

You want to have a Bible study? Sure, I am game.

God respect their choice: Genesis 3, Rom. 1:24-26. Does God stop our hands before we sin?

All men included in Trinitarian life: John 3:16, John 10:10, 1 Pet. 3:18. Jesus died for all men. Whose life do we receive? Jesus life.

Now, show BCV where Jesus died only for the righteous?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/7/14


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Love Jesus,
Only those who believe receive the atonement of Christ. The reason people go to hell is because they do not believe in the only begotten Son of God and so have broken the law of God. No Redeemer is furnish for them. So the Atonement is limited to only those who believe. It does have a limit and we know that because people are going to hell. Jesus has not paid their debt to God. If the Atonement was paid for all, no one would owe a debt and we would have Universal Salvation. Agape
---Luke on 8/7/14


There is no such thing as a limited atonement except the blood of bulls and goats was in fact limited in power until the Blood of Jesus Christ was shed once and for all. The power of the Blood is limited to those, as was in Egypt during the Passover, to only those who by faith applied the blood over the doorpost. Today Jesus is our Passover and all who come boldly to the throne of Grace may find forgiveness, grace and mercy, because the mercy seat, as was under the OT was sprinkled with blood. Today, JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF is that mercy seat and there is no limit to His grace and mercy.

Even Rahab "and family" found mercy putting the scarlet thread in the window, and speaks to all of us today.
---kathr4453 on 8/6/14


Mark, Luke is right about everything he says except the "limited atonement" part. The atonement is unlimited according to 1st Timothy 2:4. Christ died for all.
---love.jesus on 8/6/14


//Us who accept the relationship Jesus provided will be saved.//

Dear Mark,
I don't know you, I do hear what you say. But you are wrong. You don't accept Christ as your Lord and Savior in order to be saved.
We are saved by God's grace through faith, and that faith is not of yourself, it is a gift of God Eph. 2:8,9.
When a person verbally makes a commitment to Christ, it is because he has already been made alive together with Christ given faith, and granted repentance.
No unbeliever seeks after God (Rom. 3:11). It is Christ who came to seek and to save that which was lost. I believe you need to read the Bible more carefully, with God first in your heart. Agape
---Luke on 8/6/14


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//All men were to be included in the Trinitarian life. Adam chose independence from God and all who choose independence from God will get what they want for eternity. God respects their choice.//

Mark,
You say, "God respects their choice". Why not give passage that says that?
What you suggest is that those who sin against God, God respects them for sinning against Him. Nonsense, because the wrath of God is on them.
You also say, "all men were to be included in the Trinitarian life"
Please give chapter and verse.
It's easy to say things, and yet have nothing to back up what they say. No one makes Jesus Christ Lord. He is Lord already. We love Him, because He first loved us believers. Agape
---Luke on 8/6/14


No.
Yrs ago I used to go to a trinity ideology doctrines n commandments of men family body church Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6, 8th ave baptist n visited others. My older bro still goes that bapt church. Cousins go to other in the family body. There is No fellowship with them. Such good people, but spiritually impaired.

God saved n brought me out of n from that Damnable mess of Lies ministered churchs mentioned above.
I'm in The Acts Church of The Living God. The Best fellowship.
---Lawrence on 8/6/14


"Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."Luke 23:34.

Such Love, intimate and true, all the suffering He endured and still he pleaded for his malefactors!

Mark_Eaton, I agree with your stand.
---Nana on 8/5/14


If we tell unbelievers God loves them the same, there is no need for a mediator, no need for repentance, because there is no enmity against God. That is a false gospel.
---Luke on 8/5/14

You quote me incorrectly and bear false witness against me by assuming you understand what I say.

God does love us ALL the same way. God made the plan of relationship thru Jesus before Adam sinned. It was not a second plan, it was the ONLY plan. All men were to be included in the Trinitarian life. Adam chose independence from God and all who choose independence from God will get what they want for eternity. God respects their choice.

Us who accept the relationship Jesus provided will be saved.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/5/14


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Mark,
You need the Bible Truth. You are teaching is a false gospel. God does have a general love for His creation. The sun shines on all, He gives rain to all. But God's particular intimate Love is with the true believers. Only to the true believers He can say, He loves you.
If we tell unbelievers God loves them the same, there is no need for a mediator, no need for repentance, because there is no enmity against God. That is a false gospel.
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3:36).
It's God who changes the heart, grants faith and repentance, who opens eyes and ears, without God man can do nothing.
---Luke on 8/5/14


Yes James I would choose not to argue this. But nether can I let it be stated and not object.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/4/14

I don't object to arguing about it, refuting it, it whatever someone wants to call it.

But we should not be offended by any particular view of God on philosophical or emotional grounds.

If scripture says God is a puppeteer, ok.

If scripture says that God is a man who lives on planet Kolob, ok.

If scripture says that God is going to send everyone to hell, ok.


So what if we're offended by a view of God? If that view is the truth, so be it.

So argue from the book of truth, not a wound up tizzy.
---James_L on 8/4/14


Then Luke why did Haz say that GOD hates many people and will not save them?

Why does the doctrine of Limited Atonement say that JESUS only died for those he predestined to save and all others will be lost because He choose to create them for hell.

Yes James I would choose not to argue this. But nether can I let it be stated and not object.

I have fellowshipped with many Baptist who do not agree with me here. We just do not discuss this topic.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/4/14


Luke, if irresistible grace means that if God wants to save someone, God will save him, then it logically follows that God will save everyone, because the Scriptures say that is what he wants, according to 1 Timothy 2:4.
---love.jesus on 8/4/14


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The Atonement is limited to only those who belief by faith. Irresistible grace means that when God wants to save someone, He saves them...
---Luke on 8/4/14

I suggest you read the book "Jesus and the Undoing of Adam" to understand that God so loved the entire world, His entire creation, that God already has atoned for every person who ever lived and will ever live by the death of Jesus. All we have to do is accept this free gift.

God does not force relationship on us, neither will God "change" our minds or hearts. He draws us to Himself and out of the longing of our heart (or the hole in it), we want this relationship and ultimately accept the free gift of Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/4/14


Samuel,
In your finite mind, you created a god that fit's your logic. The day you learn who the real God of the Bible is, your eyes will be open to the Truth. God hates no one, so stop saying He does. Only God is Holy. All others deserve death for sinning against God. Sinners are depraved because they are slaves to sin. You suggest God is unfair because He decides to save some and not all. As if He is obligated to save all sinners.
The Atonement is limited to only those who belief by faith. Irresistible grace means that when God wants to save someone, He saves them. And those He saves are given a guarantee because God promises that guarantee.
So before you open your mouth against Almighty God, learn what you are talking about.
---Luke on 8/4/14


To me this doctrine does not portray a loving caring GOD.---Samuelbb7 on 8/3/14

So what ?? Who cares if the doctrine portrays God in a certain light?

That's one of the reasons I don't like the Calvinist/Arminian debate, because both sides have turned into a philosophical tit-for-tat.

What do the scriptures teach ?? That should be the issue.


Limited Atonement fails one MAJOR biblical point:

ALL men will be raised physically. Some to eternal life, and some to eternal judgment.

Jesus died not only to restore the spirit world, but the material world, including the physical bodies of unbelievers.
---James_L on 8/3/14


Thank you Rita.

Luke this is part of the teaching of Calvinism and from the Acronym TULIP.

Does not this teaching that GOD only died for those he respected and decided to save?

That GOD only forces some to be save and all the rest are created so as to put in hell?

Total depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace and Persistence of the Saints.

To me this doctrine does not portray a loving caring GOD. All humans are sinners but according to this doctrine He choose to not save the majority.

Is not this what it taught in Calvinism? Does it not teach GOD hates those he does not save?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/3/14


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Luke I don't think that Samuel is saying what you seem to think he is saying. He seems to be summarizing what others have said and then adds "This is not the God I read about in the bible."

I might be wrong here but I feel that Samuel is saying that he does NOT believe those things.

Samuel, please come in here and clarify this.
---Rita_H on 8/3/14


//Rom. 6:10 "For the death that He died, He died to sin once for ALL, but the life that He lives, He lives to God"//

All that means is that He died to sin once for all time, in regard to sins penalty, because He met the legal demands upon the sinner, and in regard to sin's power, forever breaking its power over those who belong to Him.

//Heb. 10:10" By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for ALL"//
The "we" here is believers only.

//Rom 5:8 "For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly"//
The "we" here is believers only. Agape
---Luke on 8/3/14


Read 1 Timothy 4:10. It is very specific about who gets saved.
---love.jesus on 8/2/14


Luke I repeat what I said on the 31st July. ""His death on the cross is sufficient to pay for the sins of every individual, but only pays for those who place their faith and trust in Christ." is virtually identical in meaning to my words about Christ dying for the sins of ALL people but - because not ALL people will accept that and repent - not ALL will benefit from it (meaning that not ALL will be saved)."

If you cannot understand my words then it's pointless the conversation going on so I end this here and leave you others argue between yourselves.
---Rita_H on 8/2/14


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''In TULIP the L stands for limited atonement. JESUS did not die for everyone. He had respect for only some men, women and children. The rest He hates because he made them to be unrepentant sinners who cannot change because He does not want them to.''

Samuel, what you suggest is that God has to save everyone otherwise He is not respectful. You even say He hates those He does not save and makes them unrepentant sinners. You again speak lies about Almighty God.

//He wants to place them in Hell and torture them for all eternity so He can listen to their groans of pain and agony as the Babies scream and the people cry for mercy where there is none.//

You will be judge by your words

---Luke on 8/2/14


What many miss is that God has given us the ability to choose, for we are made in His image.
But, unless the Spirit is at work, one cannot choose, for one cannot choose if one doesn't know the options.
Since the Spirit is at work in everyone(John 16:8-11), God sets the responsibility upon man.
Since it is man's responsibility given by God, it is man who is judged, hence the Righteous Judge judges righteously.
One cannot have judgment without responsibility.
God wants all to be saved, but, although He is able, His promises hold Him and keep Him from being a liar and a respecter of persons.
Therefore, since He is Faithful and True, He is a God worthy of all worship and praise.
---micha9344 on 8/1/14


Jesus did not pay the prize for everybody as you said. If He did, then we would have Universal salvation.
The sacrifice is sufficient to save all but only saves some.
---Luke on 8/1/14

Wrong. Jesus died for all mankind, not just some.

Rom. 6:10 "For the death that He died, He died to sin once for ALL, but the life that He lives, He lives to God"

Heb. 10:10" By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for ALL"

Rom 5:8 "For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/1/14


In TULIP the L stands for limited atonement. JESUS did not die for everyone. He had respect for only some men, women and children. The rest He hates because he made them to be unrepentant sinners who cannot change because He does not want them to.

He wants to place them in Hell and torture them for all eternity so He can listen to their groans of pain and agony as the Babies scream and the people cry for mercy where there is none.

He refused to give them a chance and only died for His selected few who are the only ones He loves.

This is not the GOD I read about in the Bible.


1John 4:8

He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/1/14


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//Luke, yes Jesus did pay the price for the sins of the whole world, in other words 'everybody' BUT, what He did was a GIFT (a gift of more worth than any gift ever given) and a gift is never of any use to the one to whom it is offered UNLESS it is ACCEPTED.//

Rita,
what is wrong is that Jesus did not pay the prize for everybody as you said. If He did, then we would have Universal salvation.
The sacrifice is sufficient to save all but only saves some. His sacrifice is not a gift that people can accept or reject.
People don't say, "I accept the gift and suddenly Jesus dies for him," no.
He died once for all time. His sacrifice will only save those whom God draws to Himself, and gives to Christ John 6:44. Agape
---Luke on 8/1/14


Since it is God's desire to see everyone saved (1 Timothy 2:4), don't you think he is smart enough to figure out a way to get it done despite people's free will?
---love.jesus1944 on 7/31/14


Luke, your words "His death on the cross is sufficient to pay for the sins of every individual, but only pays for those who place their faith and trust in Christ." is virtually identical in meaning to my words about Christ dying for the sins of ALL people but - because not ALL people will accept that and repent - not ALL will benefit from it (meaning that not ALL will be saved).

I don't understand what your problem is with what I said.

Only those with the faith to which you refer WILL repent. Those without faith will see no point I doing so.
---Rita_H on 7/31/14


Rita
Though we may see things differently, I'm happy to know that there are some, like you, who have learned the value in the confession of sin.

I believe the confession of sin is important, because sin separates man from God (Isaiah 59:2). And when sin is confessed, it removes that which caused the separation (1 John 1:9).
---David on 7/31/14


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Rita,
I hear you say a lot of things but you gave no Scripture. I have never heard what you said. Someone must have made it up.
This is what I know about the sacrifice of Christ on the cross,
"His death on the cross is sufficient to pay for the sins of every individual, but only pays for those who place their faith and trust in Christ."
He could not stand as a substitute for those who don't place their faith in Him, if He was a substitute for those without faith, then everyone would be saved. Agape
---Luke on 7/31/14


Luke, yes Jesus did pay the price for the sins of the whole world, in other words 'everybody' BUT, what He did was a GIFT (a gift of more worth than any gift ever given) and a gift is never of any use to the one to whom it is offered UNLESS it is ACCEPTED.

To benefit from this gift one must first believe that Jesus actually did that for us, repent of all sin and accept the gift with thanksgiving. There are millions of people who will not humble themselves to do that. The offer is made but is turned down.
---Rita_H on 7/30/14


Rita, people who are saved go to heaven. I don't understand it all but it has something to do with crowns. Bible teaches everlasting life. I am saved and I have eternal salvation. We will be judged for what we have done. I know I will be afraid because I haven't always pleased God. I did pray and get back to him but I will have to account for my sin.
---shira4368 on 7/30/14


David, I don't 'know' what happens to those who do not repent of sins committed after being saved but I tend to 'think' we miss out on blessings in this life if we live that way and I also think that there is a strong 'possibility' that we miss out on blessings we could have shared in when this earthly life is over BUT I just do NOT 'know'.

If you have scriptures to share which make this more clear then please DO share them here and now. I'd would like to know more about this.
---Rita_H on 7/30/14


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David if you are saved you will go to heaven. we must confess our sins but you will still go to heaven. When we are saved, God promised us life everlasting. Eternal life. Being saved don't give us the right to sin. God will turn a person over to satan for the destruction of the flesh. I have seen that happen. We must do everything to stay close to God.
---shira4368 on 7/30/14


Rita
I thank you for the honesty in your answer.

What do you believe happens to the saved, if they don't confess the sins they commit after they were saved?

---David on 7/30/14


//If Jesus says, "come to me" or "Enter ye in at the strait gate", we must go and we must enter.Thereafter we must work//

When the time comes, all will hear the voice of Christ. All will do what Christ tells them to do. Every knee shall bow, and all those having done good, will go into everlasting life, all who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Dear Rita,
If you are correct and Jesus paid the penalty of sin for all human beings, then none owe a debt to God. If they go to hell it would not be fair since the Son had already paid for their sins. There is no passage which states that Jesus paid for all sinners, but that He paid for those who believe. He stood in their behalf.
---Luke on 7/30/14


John 5:39_40 "Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."

If Jesus says, "come to me" or "Enter ye in at the strait gate", we must go and we must enter.Thereafter we must work
even more as commanded, Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
---Nana on 7/29/14


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Luke and David, I believe that Jesus died to take the punishment for ALL sin but we are still to repent. Those sins I had committed prior to be being saved were totally wipes out when I understood and accepted that Jesus died FOR ME. However, any sins I committed after that I still need to confess and ask God to forgive me. This is an ongoing thing because, despite what some people preach, I do not believe that we are SIN FREE once we are saved. We are sinners saved by grace and any sin we commit we should confess a.s.a.p. after the event and AGAIN ask for forgiveness.

Being saved is not a free ticket to live as we choose until we die. Every sin hurts God and, if we don't feel sorry for hurting Him, something is seriously wrong.
---Rita_H on 7/29/14


//Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him"//
They though Jesus required them to do some works to earn everlasting life. So they asked Jesus what works they should do to be saved, and Jesus answered them with,
"This is the work of God, that you believe, in Him whom He sent" John 6:27,28,29).
No works from the sinner are required in order to be saved because Jesus had said to them who asked who then can be saved?
"But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "with men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible" Matt. 19:26.
---Luke on 7/29/14


John 6:27 "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."

The order is 'labour' and receive. The meat which endureth unto everlasting life is not given and then whosoever receives it labours.

Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,..."

Therefore, the work of God is, "that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." In Matthew 23:37, we know that it was God who sent the prophets and others. Mans part is accept his messengers.
---Nana on 7/28/14


I believe it's the road taken by those who will NOT accept that 'Jesus has already taken their punishment for sin and that they are forgiven'. They are, saying Jesus was a liar.

Rita
Do you believe you need to confess the sins, you commit against God, after you are saved?

If you do, why would you confess those sins?

I ask these questions to gain a better understanding of your doctrine.
---David on 7/28/14


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//"What do you believe the road to destruction is?" I believe it's the road taken by those who will NOT accept that 'Jesus has already taken their punishment for sin and that they are forgiven'//

Dear Rita,
Those heading to hell, still owe for their sins. No one has paid their debt. If Jesus has paid their debt to God, then they are forgiven already. Jesus died as a substitute for us who believe, and believing is the work of God, He didn't die for those who do not believe. And believing in Christ is the work of God,
"Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent" (John 6:29).
It is up to God to determine who will believe and who will not. Agape
---Luke on 7/28/14


"What do you believe the road to destruction is?" I believe it's the road taken by those who will NOT accept that 'Jesus has already taken their punishment for sin and that they are forgiven'. They are, saying Jesus was a liar. If He says that we are saved through His sacrifice (when we have repented) then who are we to say that denominational differences will send us to hell.

How we take communion, how we were baptized, whether or not we speak in tongues, whether we pray sitting, kneeling, prostrate, whether or not ladies cover their heads and don't speak in church etc. are all denominational differences yet most who do one or another of these usually love Jesus with all their heart and consider themselves saved.
---Rita_H on 7/27/14


I do NOT believe that denominational differences will result in some family members spending eternity in Heaven and others in Hell.-Rita_H

Rita
(Matthew 7:13) says, "Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

What do you believe the road to destruction is?
---David on 7/27/14


I do NOT believe that denominational differences will result in some family members spending eternity in Heaven and others in Hell. If all accept that Jesus died taking their punishment for sin so that they will not be punished for them and thank Him for that - they are saved. The denominational differences can upset people in this life (predestination being one of them i.m.o.) but that does not determine who will and who will not be saved. I think that we will all have a shock when we see 'who is there' (that is if such things will still be of importance to us - which I doubt).
---Rita_H on 7/26/14


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Rita,
There is many doctrines that people argue but they never study them. They just argue. How can anyone say something is wrong if they never study it themselves? But here there is many ego's. Many unsaved Many different bias's.
But let me say that there is only two kinds of doctrines that really matter. One is centered around God, the other centered around sinful man. One is salvation by works (a persons own merits) the other is salvation by God's grace through faith.
One states the death of Christ was not sufficient to save anyone, it needs sinful man's merits. The other is salvation by God whom He wants to save. people do not like that one. They want to be in control. That salvation is up to them, not up to God. Agape
---Luke on 7/26/14


"Wide is the gate that leads to destruction. Narrow the gate which leads to life"

Rita
There are many doctrines, but there is only one truth. The truth, is the narrow path which leads to life. Everyone believes their doctrine is the truth.

The wide gate which leads to destruction, are the false doctrines, of which there are many. If what you believe is the Truth, that would make what your family believes, a lie.

I came to this site to argue for the Truth. And I will argue with every believer about their doctrine, if I believe it's false. I do this because I love them.
---David on 7/25/14


Some differences would be that Presbyterians believe that we are predestinated to be saved (or not). I have many Presbyterian friends and one family member who all know I don't agree with that teaching. Other differences are far more minor. We should, when possible, focus more on the similarities than on the differences between us.
---Rita_H on 7/24/14


Rita
If all the denominations are founded on the same premise of salvation, "Faith without works", why would there be a problem?

Most Protestant churches are founded on this belief, and their differences are not worth arguing.
---David on 7/24/14


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Very commendable of you three.
It is a pleasure to hear of such
behavior and to witness it even more.
Thanks
---Nana on 7/23/14


"I don't agree with all of my friends theology but I can still care for them."

It's good to read that Scott.
---Rita_H on 7/23/14


do you all attend the same church?
---Rita_H on 7/21/14

My family is nearly all saved, we are still praying for my youngest brother.

My family is also split as yours is. I am Pentecostal, my mother and father are Full Gospel, my oldest brother is Baptist, my sister is Presbyterian. All of us can fellowship as we are brother and sister in life and in Christ.

We will always have differences but that just makes for great discussions!
---Mark_Eaton on 7/22/14


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