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In Revelation 17 vs 4 - 6. Are these some form of religious groups or other? Sure need some enlightenment.

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\\- Geneva Commentary -\\

As as the very title tells you, this is a totally UNbiased source.

I'm sure one could find other commentaries that would give another interpretation or flat out contradict this one.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/15


Actually mystery Babylon is not one specific place, but this entire world WITHOUT GOD, and all who belong to it and not The Lord. Just think of the Tale of Two Cities. During the reformation and those like Calvin who could not see past his nose, of course they believed it was Rome.

But look again at the clothing of the woman...what is MISSING? Compared to the OT clothing of a priest. Ans....BLUE. Blue represents HEAVEN, and this woman represents earth. 666 also represent all this world has to offer, compared to 777, which means complete In Christ who is the fulfillment of the NEW Heaven and Earth, and all those IN Christ who are no longer part of this world.
---kathr4453 on 1/20/15


- Geneva Commentary -

Revelation 17:4
And (4) the woman was arrayed (5) in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having (6) a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

(4) That harlot, the spiritual Babylon, which is Rome. She is described by her attire, profession, and deeds. (5) In attire most glorious, triumphant, most rich, and most gorgeous. (6) In profession the nourisher of all, in this verse and teaching her mysteries to all, (Rev_17:5) setting forth all things most magnificently:


- My Words -

Trajan fed St. Ignatius to lions. Nero used Christians as torches to light his parties.
---aservant on 1/20/15


Cluny: "No chance at all that YIVO is biased, is it?

Of course not!"

Well, what a feast of irrationalism.

But above and beyond these paralogisms, your statement, because it is devoid of argument, only confirms you as an anti-Semite.
---Marc on 1/20/15


\\There is only one church that fits that description.
---trey on 12/24/14\\

Rome sits on NINE hills.

Even if Rev 17 were talking about the Roman Catholic Church (which it is not), what would that make her Protestant daughters?

There is only ONE nation that is personified in the Bible as a harlot.

And Jerusalem sits on 7 hills.

Think about it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/15




Let us look at the verse and reason it out. Rev 17:4 describes a woman which represents a church.
Here are the characteristics of this church:
She wears purple and scarlet and gold, etc. showing her great wealth, and prestige.
She holds a cup full of abominations. I.E. her rituals and ceremonies are an abomination to God.
Vs 5 states she is a mother. Many denominations have sprung from her.
Vs 6 she is responsible for the deaths of multitudes.
Vs 9 she sits on 7 mountains.
There is only one church that fits that description.
---trey on 12/24/14


No chance at all that YIVO is biased, is it?

Of course not!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/23/14


I quoted from the YIVO Encyclopedia about the anti- Semitism in the Orthodox Church.

Cluny asks me to "consider the source", an obvious allusion to its being Jewish.

Unless I've misread your comment, you're dead and buried Cluny as an anti-Semite, the very calumny you said did not exist in Orthodoxy, so-called.

Then, in similar vein to JW Scott and David, you distract by mentioning something about the English Catholics. Tricky, very tricky.
---Marc on 12/22/14


\\From 'The YIVO Encyclopedia of Jews in Eastern Europe'
---Marc on 12/21/14\\

Consider the source.

An English king had expelled all Jews from his realm in the 13-14 centuries. They were not allowed to return until the time of Oliver Cromwell.

So much for one person on here saying that rabbis were involved in rendering the KJV.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/22/14


Cluny,

"Until the 1720s, there were essentially no Jews in the Russian Empire except for travelers and migrant merchants, and the Russian state forbade Jews from settling in its interior, out of traditional Christian hostility."
"Anti-Judaic traditions were part of the legacy of the Eastern Orthodox Church."

From 'The YIVO Encyclopedia of Jews in Eastern Europe'
---Marc on 12/21/14




According to the Wikipedia.

The presence of Jewish people in the European part of Russia can be traced back to the 7th14th centuries CE.

No the Orthodox did not always condemn Pogroms against Jews. For many decades it has done so. That is more recent.

I need to find the book. But one Jewish boy wrote how the Orthodox priests came to force baptize the Jewish boys who had been conscripted into the army.

The Church and the Government had a very close relationship until the Communists took over.

Today also we must remember that Laws restricting freedom of religion were passed in Greece in 1938 and have never been repealed due to the control of the Church.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/21/14


Cluny: I have noticed, living in a country where most people are Orthodox, there is a general dislike of Jews.

In addition, remember that the Orthodox Church refuses to keep its Easter on the same day as the Jewish Passover - though Christ's resurrection WAS the day after Passover. So there are some things that the Orthodox Church does dislike about Jewish stuff. How much of this is anti-Semitism and how much is just a way of doing things, I can't say.

But the Easter thing is rather major - it places Easter on the wrong day!
---Peter on 12/20/14


\\First the Russian Orthodox participated in anti-Jewish pogroms for centuries.\\

Wrong.

The Church always condemned them.

Besides, there were no Jews in Russia until she annexed Poland and its territories, which included Ukraine.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/14


In another blog some one asked how I figure the 3 persons godhead churches is in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 Is Bible prophesy, & it Is Bible prophesy, which are many Matt.7 v 13. Just like the prophesy of gog and magog, Russia & all the other that pertains to it.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 12/19/14


Cluny going back a few months. The acts by some of the Orthodox churches are small and rare compared to those of the Roman Catholic church. Such as what happened to Constantinople.

First the Russian Orthodox participated in anti-Jewish pogroms for centuries. This lead to the deaths of thousands of Jews many children forced into the armies.

a nightmarish massacre of thousands [about 2000 Greeks were killed in Constantinople in 1204, according to secular historian Will Durant: The Age of Faith, NY: Simon & Schuster, 1950, p. 605]

Catholic historian Warren Carroll recalls two other lamentable Byzantine incidents:
In 1171,thousands of Venetians in the Eastern empire had been killed, mutilated, Carroll, ibid., p. 150}
---Samuelbb7 on 12/19/14


\\The Russian Orthodox churches also murdered many people who would not submit to their authority.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/24/14\\

Name one.

Give the date, as well.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/14


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But the do not fit in the Daniel 2 statue. Nor did it try to take the place of JESUS and declare it is the only representive of GOD on earth.

So yes Islam is an antichrist group and has antichrists leading it.

But is it the last day Antichrist?

They do not quite fit.

But a key question is the type of last day scenario.

Dispensationalist say the Antichrist is all future.

Historist say the Antichrists are both a continuous presence and a special person at the end time.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/24/14


Samuelbb7:

There are several reasons why a Muslim empire seems like a plausible match:
- Mecca is a city built on seven hills
- So many countries depend on middle-eastern oil, so they bend over backwards to please (i.e. avoid offending) Arab countries.
- Those will also mourn if the middle east (and the oil it supplies) ever fails.
- Radical Islam (as shown so recently by ISIS) is the only political system in the world currenly that both persecutes Christians, and executes people by beheading
- Islam teaches that Isa (i.e. Jesus) would return in the last days. Someone claiming to be the Muslim Jesus, pushing Islam and repudiating Christianity would certainly fit the definition of Antichrist.
---StrongAxe on 8/24/14


The Roman Empire split into two parts. The Western part still from Rome fell over a period of time. Around 400 A.D.

It was the main part. The Eastern became orthodox spoke Greek and is recognized by Historians as the Byzantine empire because of the differences.

The Western part ended up begin divided up into many small nations. Which fought off the Mahometans.

The prophecy says it will be divided into many small nations some weak some strong. Like Iron mixed with Clay. Daniel 2:41,43.

Where do you get the Destruction by the Muslim empires in the passages of Daniel?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/24/14


\\Interesting you should say that because the early church fathers understood that the Roman Empire must first fall before the antichrist would be revealed. The reformers taught this as well, so its not just a SDA teaching. BTW Im not a SDA.
---jason9835 on 8/9/14\\

The Roman Empire did not fall until 29 May 1453, when New Rome (Constantinople) fell to the mahometans.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/14


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Dear Mark sometimes I cringe when some Seventh day Adventist start getting too specific from Revelation.

So I agree with you.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/15/14


We are only told it is a 'person' (which could mean a group as well) set against God.

My personal feeling is that Christianet has too many people trying to give specific terms to things in Revelation.

Revelation is the hardest book to understand - do not get too many ideas
---Mark on 8/12/14


Good point Jason Thank you.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/11/14


//I realize that the fourth beast of Daniel being a mahometan empire doesn't fit with what the SDA church teaches, but that doesn't bother me//

Interesting you should say that because the early church fathers understood that the Roman Empire must first fall before the antichrist would be revealed. The reformers taught this as well, so its not just a SDA teaching. BTW Im not a SDA.
---jason9835 on 8/9/14


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Well Obama said he would transform america. With Isis on the march and want a white flag on top of the whitehouse tells the the transformation is about half finished. Do you think this was part of the plan even before Obama was elected? Well I do. Nobody but nobody comes out of the woodwork and voila----- president. Our military elete with the top brass should meet and save America. Isis is slaughtered women and children. I thank God I am an
American.i have been in hospital since tues am with pneumonia.
---shira4368 on 8/8/14


Still Cluny you say I am wrong but give no reason or verse. Why are We and the many protestant teachers ( See Scofield Refernce Bible) of many denominations incorrect?

You just saying it is not proof. Show me where the error is in my logic or show me a verse that proves you correct.

Also if a Mahometan empire is correct who are the ten horns and who is the little horn?

Give some reasons for your conclusion?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/8/14


\\Rome was the power that crucified JEUSS. 8,25
\\

Only at the instigation of the Jewish leaders.

I realize that the fourth beast of Daniel being a mahometan empire doesn't fit with what the SDA church teaches, but that doesn't bother me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/14


//But the Roman Empire has nothing to do with the visions of Daniel//

I believe the visions of Daniel talked about all global powers & leading earthly kingdoms including the defunct Roman empire.
---Adetunji on 8/8/14


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Well Cluny then show how?

Rome fits because of the legs of iron Daniel 2. It destroyed the Grecian empire. chapter 7,8 It grew out of a division of the Greek Empire, Rome was the power that crucified JEUSS. 8,25

Now instead of just saying you are correct post some points that show it and refute the above points.

Persia under Cyrus freed Israel and they returned to Jerusalem.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/8/14


\\Cluny you have an interesting thought but it does not fit.

As you read the whole chapter 7 & 8 the Muslim empire does not qualify\\

Yes, it does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/14


Cluny you have an interesting thought but it does not fit.

As you read the whole chapter 7 & 8 the Muslim empire does not qualify.

It speaks of the first coming of JESUS during the seventy weeks. Which happened when Jerusalem not Babylon was under the control of Rome. For it is Jerusalem which is the important city.

Do you know how the Seventy weeks work?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/7/14


//I was talking about the CITY of Babylon, which was never in the Roman Empire//

Wrong again. At its peak in 117 AD, the Roman Empire included the city of Babylon, but its a moot point.

//But the Roman Empire has nothing to do with the visions of Daniel//

You simply state this, but offer no scriptural support for your position. The Roman Empire and its successor the RCC are the ONLY logical answer.
---jason9835 on 8/7/14


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\\Actually youre wrong. Mesopotamia (including geographical Babylon) was a province of the Roman Empire.\\

I was talking about the CITY of Babylon, which was never in the Roman Empire.

\. The fact is the fourth kingdom (Roman Empire) took over the third empire (Greece).\\

But the Roman Empire has nothing to do with the visions of Daniel.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/14


//Mahometan empires always included historical geographical Babylon, just like the first three visions of Daniel. But the Roman empire never did//

Actually youre wrong. Mesopotamia (including geographical Babylon) was a province of the Roman Empire. A simple wiki search will prove this. The fact is the fourth kingdom (Roman Empire) took over the third empire (Greece). History confirms this. As previously stated, the other empires you mentioned came from the ten toes of the image in Daniel including the USA. The little horn power thought to change times and laws Dan 7:25. Only the RCC has done this . They instituted the Gregorian calendar (times) named after Pope Gregory XIII and the RCC uses its own ten commandments (laws).
---jason9835 on 8/6/14


Mahometan is an old fashioned English term meaning Muslim, in case you were unaware..
.
---love.jesus on 8/6/14


\\The First three nations are mentioned by name in Daniel. Only Rome is not named but it is the largest Empire that took over from Greece. \\

Actually, the mahometan Ottoman Empire took over from the Byzantine Empire.

Mahometan empires always included historical geographical Babylon, just like the first three visions of Daniel. But the Roman empire never did.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/6/14


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True they grew larger but both Spain and Britain were part of the Roman Empire.

Sorry I did not mention the USA. It is not part of the feet of iron and clay. But I do believe it is mentioned in Revelation. But that is just a viewpoint of some scholars.

The First three nations are mentioned by name in Daniel. Only Rome is not named but it is the largest Empire that took over from Greece.

In fact some of the nations latter formed what they called the Holy Roman Empire.

Byzantine did last for awhile but it too fell.

Oh Cluny I just watched a Roman Catholic speaking about how the Pope saved the Orthodox from becoming Arian and opposing the Trinity.

Thought you might enjoy that.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/5/14


\\They are in the mixed iron and clay of the statue in Daniel 2.

They were part of the Roman empire and became the broken pieces.

Agape Cluny\\

The USA was NEVER part of the Roman Empire.

The Spanish and British empires contained territories that were never part of the Roman Empire as well.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/14


They are in the mixed iron and clay of the statue in Daniel 2.

They were part of the Roman empire and became the broken pieces.

Agape Cluny
---Samuelbb7 on 8/4/14


\\Not sure why you would think the book of Daniel which tells us of the future to come up to the second coming of Christ would simply gloss over the Roman Empire. Perhaps your motive is diversion rather than truth?\\

And just where are the USA or British Empire or Spanish Empire in Daniel?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/14


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\\No, but its religion and philosophies were certainly incorporated into the Roman Empire.\\

No, it was not.

\\Not sure why you would think the book of Daniel which tells us of the future to come up to the second coming of Christ would simply gloss over the Roman Empire. Perhaps your motive is diversion rather than truth?\\

Ever hear of Ebla?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/1/14


//as Babylon was never part of the Roman Empire, but was part of the other 3//

No, but its religion and philosophies were certainly incorporated into the Roman Empire.

Not sure why you would think the book of Daniel which tells us of the future to come up to the second coming of Christ would simply gloss over the Roman Empire. Perhaps your motive is diversion rather than truth?
---jason9835 on 7/31/14


When we compare Daniel 2, 7, & 8 we can understand who the little horn is. I hope you will read the verses in those chapters and compare them.

Daniel said the Head also the Lion was Babylon.

The Kingdom of Silver was Medio-Persia also the bear and Ram.

The third Kingdom was Bronze also the Leopard and goat was Greece and is called Grecia.

We know from History the Greek Empire was taken over by Rome who crucified JESUS. Iron, Beast and horn which took over the promised land. 8:9-13.

Read all the verses please.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/29/14


\\The little horn power arises from the fourth kingdom, which is the Roman Empire. Israel did not arise from the Roman Empire, but the RCC did.
\\

The Fourth Kingdom is a MAHOMETAN Empire, not the Roman one, as Babylon was never part of the Roman Empire, but was part of the other 3.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/29/14


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Jason, you are welcome to believe whatever makes sense to you. I don't mind at all. God bless.
---love.jesus on 7/28/14


//The Little Horn in Daniel 7 is Antiochus IV Epiphanes//

You wouldn't really know because as you previously admitted you spend very little time reading and understanding the book.

The little horn power arises from the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire. Antiochus was part of the third kingdom. I already proved this to you from scripture, but believe what you will.
---jason9835 on 7/28/14


The Little Horn in Daniel 7 is Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
---love.jesus on 7/28/14


//the only "Biblically" backed meaning that I can find is Israel//

The harlot in Revelation 17 is NOT Israel. The harlot is synonymous with the little horn power in Daniel 7. The little horn power arises from the fourth kingdom, which is the Roman Empire. Israel did not arise from the Roman Empire, but the RCC did.
---jason9835 on 7/28/14


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My favorite Pope was Boniface VIII.
---love.jesus on 7/28/14


Cluny, Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI.


I believe when someone mentions Pope Alexander, 99% of people would first think of this one. Google certainly does. HA!

The whole family was evil to the core.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/14


\\How about Pope Alexander for one.\\

Which Pope Alexander?

There were six with this name.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/14


Jason9835, the Woman in revelation can also be seen another way. All the colors and description describe the very clothing of the High Priest in the OT. OH but look, one color is missing. BLUE. Blue represents "heavenly" just as the true church is heavenly not earthly. So, it represents a counterfeit apostate church, which includes all false earthly religions that include the RCC among so many others.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/14


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Diane
The offspring trinity churches from the roman cath church, luther, bapt, presby etc churches Are just As Deceived.
---Lawrence on 7/28/14


..only ONE nation in the world personified as a harlot, and it's not Rome.
---Cluny on 7/24/14

You made it interesting and I looked and found....
Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered, it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Hos 1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, appoint themselves one head, they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
Hos 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, we shall live in his sight.
---Trav on 7/28/14


Diane,

A woman, eschatologically speaking, refers to a church. The church referred to in Revelation 17:4-6 is none other than the RCC. The colors used by the RCC are purple (bishops) and scarlet (cardinals). The RCC is the most wealthy church in the world by far, much of it acquired at the expense of innocent victims. The RCC has arguably killed more Christians in history than anyone else, labeling them as heretics or witches. Ancient pagan religions such as sun worship and Mithraism have been incorporated into the RCC. There are many good people in the RCC faith, but unfortunately most who follow it have been deceived.
---jason9835 on 7/28/14


How about Pope Alexander for one. There was just as much murder within the RCC as was in any Kings Court. And playoffs, promotions etc, for such dastardly deeds were commonplace.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/14


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\\Yes Cluny they had an ax to grind because many Pope's murdered and paid for their office.\\

BTW, Samuel, can you give the names of any who murdered and paid for the office of Bishop of Rome?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/14


harlot - allegory
city on seven hills - literal

hmmmmm?

I lean to the allegorical uses that can have a few meanings that one day will culminate into one literal meaning.

the only "Biblically" backed meaning that I can find is Israel.

I know that most of you attend churches that are either pseudo-Judaizers or pro-Zionist which might make it difficult for you.
---aka on 7/27/14


\\Yes Cluny they had an ax to grind because many Pope's murdered and paid for their office. They had many mistresses and stole from the poor to enrich themselves. \\

Not in the last 500 years.

OTOH, financial and sexual scandals embrue Evangelical and megachurch leaders all the time. Ever hear of Ted Haggard?

\\They lead out in wars of conquest for wealth and power.\\

Only one who did this was Julius II.

\\ Did any Orthodox leaders ever do this?\\

Abbot Sergius of Radonezh blessed Dmitri Donskoy to fight the mahometan Tatars to deliver Russia from them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/14


Good point Strong Axe. I believe doctrine is important and some things like easy belivism and others will allow those who wish to keep on sinning and think they can still go to heaven. They have a vain hope because they are willfully ignorant of the truth.

But others points are not so.

Yes Cluny they had an ax to grind because many Pope's murdered and paid for their office. They had many mistresses and stole from the poor to enrich themselves.

They lead out in wars of conquest for wealth and power. Did any Orthodox leaders ever do this?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/27/14


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Lawrence:

You said: Diane, the trinity roman cath church with her offspring trinity daughters churches are the institutes with phony christians in it. With the Lies of easy believism, once saved always saved, no works salvation, 2nd working of grace etc Lies.

In all the places where the Bible describes how true believers are distinguished from false ones, NONE rely on correct theology. We must believe in God, yes. But the distinctions are always on how we act - how we love God, how we love or brothers - NOT on how good a score we can get on a theology exam, or which particular doctrines we believe (trinity vs. unity, sprinkling vs. immersion, or any number of other hair-splitting irrelevancies).
---StrongAxe on 7/26/14


\\ It is the only institution (with real Christians inside it) who nevertheless teaches doctrines which divert the mind from simple trust in the all-sufficient merits of Jesus Christ on the Cross. \\

Not true.

All Protestants do the same thing.

That's why I'm Orthodox.

BTW, did you know that speaking of the "merits of Christ on the cross" is a peculiarly Roman Catholic expression?

Don't forget that Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, Jean Chauvin (to use his real name) and the others you mentioned all have axes to grind.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/26/14


Diane, the trinity roman cath church with her offspring trinity daughters churches are the institutes with phony christians in it. With the Lies of easy believism, once saved always saved, no works salvation, 2nd working of grace etc Lies.
---Lawrence on 7/26/14


Dear Diane,
Revelation 17:4-6 is speaking of the Roman Catholic Church. It is the only institution (with real Christians inside it) who nevertheless teaches doctrines which divert the mind from simple trust in the all-sufficient merits of Jesus Christ on the Cross. It is the Mystery Babylon.
Supporters of this view are so many. John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, Martin Luther, Philip Melanchthon, Ulrich Zwingli, Robert Barnes, Sir Isaac Newton, John Wesley, George Whitefield, Jonathan Edwards, James Wylie, John Fox, Matthew Henry, Albert Barnes, John Bunyan, Charles Spurgeon and so many more. Agape
---Luke on 7/26/14


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Cluny wouldn't say it but he was implying the one nation called a harlot in the Bible is Israel. See the book of the prophet Hosea...
---love.jesus on 7/25/14


Wikipedia has an article about cities built on 7 hills. Unfortunately, listing them all is too large for the message limit here.

There are 19 in the U.S.A, 3 others in the Americas, 2 in Africa, 8 in Asia, 35 in Europe.

Among these, Jerusalem, Mecca, Rome, and Tirumala India are major centers of religious worship.

"One of the hill town of Tirumala is precisely where the Temple of Seven Hills, the Tirumala Venkateswara. This temple is affirmed to be the most active place of worship in the world."
---StrongAxe on 7/25/14


Cluny, sorry, I was being waggish. :)
---love.jesus on 7/25/14


\\Martin Luther said it's the Roman Catholic Church. Also, Mr Hyslop in his book, 'The Two Babylons'.\\

And who made their mouths prayerbooks?

Hislop (to spell his name properly) is full of historical errors.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/25/14


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The one who was first drunk with the blood of the saints was Empress Poppea Sabina, a Jew who poisoned her husband's mind against Christians.

If you read the Bible, you will learn there is only ONE religion and ONE nation that get personified as a harlot.

BTW, did you know that both Jerusalem and Mecca sit on seven hills? But Rome sits on NINE.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/24/14


Martin Luther said it's the Roman Catholic Church. Also, Mr Hyslop in his book, 'The Two Babylons'. So, there you have it..
---love.jesus on 7/24/14


I do not know who you think it is Cluny. But she is a false church and she is:


Rev 17:6

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

The RCC murdered millions of people in their desire to steal their wealth and prevent people from leaving their control. See Foxes book of Martyrs.

The Russian Orthodox churches also murdered many people who would not submit to their authority.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/24/14


No, they are not.

Some commentators have seen Poppea Sabina, wife of Nero, in this lady.

There is only ONE nation in the world personified as a harlot, and it's not Rome.

If you want to know, I'll tell you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/24/14


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