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Dear Mark E,
You are correct. Enough has been said concerning SDA doctrines. I was thinking the same thing yesterday when I answered brother Samuel. So much more to learn in other topics. Thanks for putting up with me brother.
By the way, I did not oppose your passage in (Malachi 2:16). All I did was give the context as to why that passage was given by Malachi. Agape
---Luke on 8/16/14


Samuel,
Again you took a passage out of context to proof your point. You gave,

//Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground, for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.//

Now who is been addressed in that passage? Hello, Adam.
"Then to Adam he said" He was made from the dust of the ground. Eve was made from the rib of Adam. It is pretty simple Samuel, all you have to do is believe the word of God. Agape.
---Luke on 8/15/14


Dear Samuel,
In Ecclesiastes 12:7 Solomon is recalling, quoting (Gen. 2:7: and Gen. 3:19) as he contemplates the end of the aging process. Meaning, the Lord gave and the Lord has taken away, Job 1:21: 1 Tim. 6:7). Here God gave Adam his life, and then took it away, when he died physically. His spirit returned back to God.

He gave life to Adam and he took it away. Adam was being pictured here from his quotes. Because only Adam was formed of the dust of the ground. Eve came from Adam's rib. And all descendants came from the other descendants. Agape
---Luke on 8/15/14


Samuel & Luke

Brothers. Please agree to disagree.

You are hijacking nearly every blog with your arguing about the same subjects. Over and over, back and forth, you will never convince the other.

I cannot fully agree and fully disagree with either of you. Like most of us here, you have understanding that others agree with and understanding that others do not agree with. I applaud your persistence but I must rant (the blog question) about your constant bickering.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/15/14


Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground, for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Psalms 104:29

True Mans value is not in the physical components of our bodies. But it has been proved by science the Bible is correct we are but dust.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
A + B = C. Yep it is that simple. Now just believe what the Bible says.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/14/14




Samuel,
What you are doing is mixing Psalms which many are only songs, but in so doing your are put to question the word of God as 1Cliff does, because he doesn't understand the word "Lord and to my Lord." Two Lords he says?
Genesis 2:7
Does it say that "and breathed into his nostrils the breath of Life" was the cause of man becoming a living soul? No. It's say what God did to man, form him from the dust and giving him the breath of life. It does not indicate that those components God uses for every single person. Adam was form from the dust. We were not.
"Made from dirt" a man's value is not in the physical components that form his body, but in the quality of life which forms his soul (Job 33:4).
---Luke on 8/14/14


Luke
Psalms 88:10,11

Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.
Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?

The go down into silence part is about going to the grave. But the immortal soul doctrine says they are in eternal torment screaming in agony. Not quiet. The Psalmist was living and forever also means for as long as I live.

I am glad you admit Sheol means grave and not a place of eternal torment.

The Spirit of everyone returns to GOD. Ecclesiastes 12:7

What about the passage from Genesis?

So you also agree that the Angels come with JESUS and the dead are in their grave as the Bible says.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/13/14


Samuel, sheol is another term for grave/death. Psalm 116:3 mentions
"The pains of death surround me, And the pangs of Sheol laid hold of me"
Here the psalmist was close to death, physical death, and it was close to him. Where his body will go, not his spirit.
Psalm 115:17 "The dead do not praise the Lord nor any who go down into silence" He was talking about those who were spiritually dead. Because he says in (v. 18)
"But we (believers born of the Spirit) will bless the Lord, from this time forth and forever, praise the Lord"
only those spiritually alive will praise the Lord forever. Hello? Forever. Agape
---Luke on 8/13/14


Luke

Hell (Sheol, or Hades) are also translated as the grave. You did not tell me what the verses mean. You did not give me a verse for what you stated.
They are alive but asleep not awake. Where is the verse that says the dead are awake in heaven?

Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
We agree then that people die. But we are the soul.
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
So you agree JESUS comes with His angels as the Bible verses said.
Do you also agree with the Bible verse that says he calls the saints from their graves?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/12/14


Samuel,
Of course you believe in,
"I believe in Gehenna the lake of fire. Rev 20:14,15 19:20 But you forgot about Hell itself, you give all the images of hell, they are only images of the final place for all who are lost without Christ.
"JESUS dwells within us Spiritually. Romans 8:9,11 John 3" Yet you do not believe when a person dies he is still spiritually alive with Christ.
I believe people die. Ezekiel 18:4,20 Revelation 21:8 You believe the soul is asleep.
"Yes JESUS comes with his angels. 2Thessolians 1:7 1Corithians 15:18-20'
His saints are not his angels. Angels are angelic beings. Humans born of God are saints.
---Luke on 8/12/14




I have give Bible verses and answer your question Luke..
I believe in Gehenna the lake of fire. Rev 20:14,15 19:20
JESUS dwells within us Spiritually. Romans 8:9,11 John 3
I believe people die. Ezekiel 18:4,20 Revelation 21:8
Yes JESUS comes with his angels. 2Thessolians 1:7 1Corithians 15:18-20
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,..
My complaints are when you say I teach things I do not.
Notice for each of my points I have given at least two verses. You must give some.
The doctrine of Immortal soul and going to heaven at death says there is no death. Is that not what you believe?
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/11/14


//Give us Bible verses not just your understanding.//

Samuel,
It is you who does not give Bible verses. All you do is give your opinions of what I have never said. You taught about God torturing babies the same way He will torture Satan. I don't know how you get those thoughts in your head concerning God. You make up stuff because you refuse to believe in Hell.
You never answer any of my questions, all you do is give more complains. You quoted you don't believe in hell, you don't believe in being together with Christ spiritually. You don't believe people die, but believe they are asleep, you believe Jesus Second Coming is not with His saints but with His angels.
I cannot make you believe anything. You want to reason together?
---Luke on 8/10/14


We know according to scripture hell was not originally created for MAN, but for Angels. That is enough to know God did not foreordained man to go to hell. Man will share in hell, but it was never created for man to begin with.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/14


Dear Samuel,
You said a lot of lies about me, and instead of apologizing you now say I made things up about you. Did I?
You see, I do not have to meet you to know you are a sinner. Everyone is a sinner, you included.
Now you want me to tell you what I teach, when you accuse me already in front of the world that I taught things I never did. Instead of saying you are sorry for making everything up you want to avoid showing you did actually slandered me.
You already know what I teach, you have read my answers all the time. Nothing was any use to you before, so why is it good now?
---Luke on 8/9/14


Now Luke you accuse me of being a great sinner and you have never meet me.

The doctrine of hell fire is that all at the moment of death all who are wicked or un-chosen are cast into an ever burning hell. They are taken out resurrected judged then cast back into it.

Is that not what you teach? If it is not then explain what you teach and please do not just cast aspersions on people to denigrate those you disagree with.

Tell us what you believe and why. I am just going on what the main doctrine which you say you agree with teaches.

Give us Bible verses not just your understanding.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/8/14


Samuel,
Again you make up lies, you say,
//But Luke they all receive the same punishment in your doctrine of eternal torture in hell.//

When did I say they all receive the same punishment? You keep lying and I don't know why. You speak of the law, and you sin all the time. That is hypocritical. No one receives the same punishment, for no one did the exact things others did. I said God was righteous and fair. No one receives more then they have coming to them. But their punishment is eternal.
what kind of punishment can a person receive if he is annihilated? Dead people don't feel pain.
Copy and paste what I have said next time. Most SDA's who speak for the law are the biggest breakers of the law.
---Luke on 8/8/14


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But Luke they all receive the same punishment in your doctrine of eternal torture in hell.

So why judge them for their works if they are lost because GOD did not die for them and why do babies who never did any wrong receive the same punishment as Stalin who murdered millions of people?

Why are they resurrected from the dead to receive bodies if they had spiritual bodies already and then put back in the same torment they were already undergoing?

If they have already been sentenced and placed in hell why have a judgment of them at all?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/7/14


//They were already condemned and all they knew was evil works. Why would God judge those he already sent to Hell according to your theology!//

Ruben,
read John 3:18 and you will see that it is not my own theology but the Truth from Scripture. God will judge them by what they did in life. They are condemned already, the reason they are at the Great White Throne of Judgment standing before God.
I cannot make you believe in the Word of God, only God can do that.
---Luke on 8/7/14


Ruben,
you asked "for what?" It is not for being good. They are judge for the evil works they did in life. God will show their bad works from the books, and sentence them for what they did bad in life.
They were condemned already for not believing in the only begotten Son of God. In life they were under the curse.

---Luke on 8/5/14

Luke.

They were already condemned and all they knew was evil works. Why would God judge those he already sent to Hell according to your theology!
---Ruben on 8/6/14


//Luke, If they are already condemned and chosen to hell, why are they being judged and for what???//

Ruben,
you asked "for what?" It is not for being good. They are judge for the evil works they did in life. God will show their bad works from the books, and sentence them for what they did bad in life.
They were condemned already for not believing in the only begotten Son of God. In life they were under the curse.
We were also condemned at one time, under the curse, but Jesus Christ paid for our sins, when He died as a substitute for us. Agape
---Luke on 8/5/14


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When the Bible says, those without Christ are condemned already, they are condemned already.
unbeliever go to the Great White Throne of Judgment where they will be sentenced. They are guilty already for breaking the laws of God.
---Luke on 8/1/1

Luke,

If they are already condemned and chosen to hell, why are they being judged and for what???
---Ruben on 8/4/14


Galatians 3:10-13

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:


Are you specifically talking about the curse of the Law given to Israel, or some other curse?
---kathr4453 on 8/3/14


It is written,
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, "but he who does not believe is condemned already" because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18)
All descendants of Adam are under the curse for breaking the laws of God.
>"Curse is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them" (Gal. 3:10).
The curse which sinners have fallen cannot be removed nor the transgressor released until full satisfaction has been made to it. Such satisfaction the sinner himself is utterly unable to render:
"By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight" (Rom.3:20).
---Luke on 8/3/14


Scientist theorize we humans are using only 10% of our minds. When I saw the movie Lucy, I wondered if Adam & Eve were using their minds at full capacity (100%) before the fall. Therefore, I posed this blog question hopefully for a Christ-like discussion.

---Leon on 7/28/14

Yes, what will become of Leon, ranting against God's Word WONDERING IF Adam and Eve were SUPERHUMANS With God like powers? Using LUCY the movie as the inspiration for his wonderment, as the perfect example of someone recapturing 100% of their minds to full capacity.

Answer: NO silly Leon, Adam and Eve were NOT created superhuman God like creatures or even gods to begin with. So what will happen to Leon who rants and raves against God's Word?
---kathr4453 on 8/3/14


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"...You are assuming things beyond the written word. "Run afoul of the law"? The evidence is recorded in the books and based on that evidence the judgement comes. Very fairly is written, "and they were judged every man according to their works." Did you see the part where it reads, "stand before God"? Good thing he is the judge since your persuasion already has a guilty verdict without a hearing!
"According to their works", we have seen that before. (Matthew 25:31_46), (2 Corinthians 5:10)"
---Nana on 7/31/14


Nana: You obviously misunderstand what I said. I've said nothing that's contrary to Scripture.
---Leon on 8/2/14


"Interestly, it is the dead that are judged "according to their works."-Rev 20:12"
micha9344 on 8/1/14

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."
In view of verse 5, the dead in Revelation 20:12 are "the rest of the dead", not "the dead" as you stated. So, there is nothing interesting in that which you just said.
---Nana on 8/1/14


Interestly, it is the dead that are judged "according to their works."-Rev 20:12
This is also after the first resurrection. no 2nd death-no judgment.
2Co 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.
2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Concerning 2Cor 5:10, the "we" in that passage is the same "we" in v1, the "we" that have an abode "eternal in the heavens."
Our abode does not rest on our works.
---micha9344 on 8/1/14


When the Bible says, those without Christ are condemned already, they are condemned already. No matter how many times another person says they are not, what they say will not change the Word of God.
Believers go to the Judgment Seat of Christ for their rewards, unbeliever go to the Great White Throne of Judgment where they will be sentenced. They are guilty already for breaking the laws of God.
---Luke on 8/1/14


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"Nana: When someone is judged, by a presiding authority to have run afoul of the law, the next course of action is to pronounce sentence upon him/her..."
Leon on 7/31/14

You are assuming things beyond the written word. "Run afoul of the law"? The evidence is recorded in the books and based on that evidence the judgement comes. Very fairly is written, "and they were judged every man according to their works." Did you see the part where it reads, "stand before God"? Good thing he is the judge since your persuasion already has a guilty verdict without a hearing!
"According to their works", we have seen that before. (Matthew 25:31_46), (2 Corinthians 5:10)
---Nana on 7/31/14


Nana: When someone is judged, by a presiding authority to have run afoul of the law, the next course of action is to pronounce sentence upon him/her for his/her unrighteousness & then the sentence is carried out. For purpose of this conversation, these two words (judged & sentenced) function like hand & glove.
---Leon on 7/31/14


Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

It seems that there is a view held by some which changes "judged" to "sentenced" in those verses.
---Nana on 7/31/14


//What's to become of people who ignore & rant against God's Word?//

Leon, those you mentioned go to the Great White Throne of Judgment for sentencing. They lose all blessings of God. The books will be open, and every sin they committed will be in the books. They will be sentenced according to their sinful works and be judge righteously. Right now they are condemned already.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18). Those without Christ are condemned already heading to hell where the worm does not die. Agape
---Luke on 7/31/14


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Thankyou,Bro.Leon, all respect.
.Be blessed.

Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/30/14


I agree absolutely with Adetunji & Elena. Heb. 9:27 & then:

(2 Cor. 5:10) At this judgment, believers will receive degrees of reward for works or service to God.

(Revelation 20:11-15) At this judgment of unbelievers they're judged according to their works & sentenced to everlasting punishment in the lake of fire.

There are many kinds of consuming FIRE. To loose one's job by firing ~ have a fire in one's belly ~ have a fire shut up in one's bones ~ have a fire of anguish & regret...

Yes, Shira, parents should discipline & nurture their children in the ways of Godly righteousness. To do otherwise, I believe, is nothing short of abortion outside of the womb.
---Leon on 7/30/14


Goodmorning, my friends I believe the brother, Adetunji is correct.God gives
every sinner a chance while, we yet, live he gives ample opportunity to hear, savor, believe, receive and to get all understanding that Jesus Christ went to give his life carry all our sins that we might have an opportunity to eternal life. Glory to God.
Love of Jesus! Elena 9555
---Elena_9555 on 7/30/14


All men are born sinners. It's their parents responsibility to lead them to church and guide them but here comes the slimy deceiver and fools them.. He put her in a trap and it sounded real good to her. Same things are happening now. The ol slimer is doing the same thing.he makes evil look good, satan is the shiner. Beer, drugs to a young perso n is influential. That's all teens see on the "kids" network. It is to deceive the tender heart.
---shira4368 on 7/28/14


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//..Even up till when their # is called, they'l be sending themselves to hell. It's their choice.//

Lawrence,
I disagree with you. People don't sent themselves to hell, they are condemned already heading to hell. They just don't know it. In fact, they believe there is no hell.
God has to change their hearts towards Christ. If He doesn't, they continue their path to hell. And there is a hell. Because there is hell to pay for their sins against our Holy God.
"When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying,
"who then can be saved?" But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "with men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible"
(Matt. 19:25,26). Agape
---Luke on 7/28/14


// Very will undoubtably burn in hell forever, billions of them. But God will never stop loving them.//

I disagree. The Bible teaches us those that go to hell are, eternally separated from God & will be punished & tormented forever.
Where then will they get God's love?
Luke16:23-31 you can confirm that all requests for mercy / favour are not granted to souls in hell.
Like a preacher said, "it is the greatest stupid thing to do : getting to hell before pleading to God".
It is here on earth that we can make requests to God, reconcile with Him and receive all godly favours that we require.
---Adetunji on 7/28/14


Sounds like an Aethiest mindset.
A hostile mind can't resonate with God till- something catastrophic happens or a miracle good happens. God the glory! An ignorant mind, none caring of anyone or esp.God.
Ps.53:1-6 Ro.1:18-32 2Cor.9:6-12
Ro.1:20 Amo 4:6-13 Hos.4:6 Jer.7:22-24. 2Cor.9:6-8
---Elena_9555 on 7/27/14


1stcliff, at what point do you think God stops loving people, before they die in sin or after they die in sin? Please note I was using heavy irony in my remark.
---love.jesus on 7/26/14


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love jesus, Talk about "warped" you take the cake...they burn in hell forever but God still loves them..coo coo !
---1stcliff on 7/26/14


No one would choose to go against God if he had all the facts. Eventually, everyone will have all the facts. 1 Corinthians 15:28
---love.jesus on 7/25/14


One level headed person out of three, not bad! Thanks Lawrence for your mature (sensible, sober) insight. :)
---Leon on 7/25/14


Those that ignore n rant against God and His Word. Even up till when their # is called, they'l be sending themselves to hell. It's their choice.
---Lawrence on 7/25/14


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Leon listen to your on words. Just agree with lost people to stay lost? You have Jesus in you leon don't use what is given to you to condemn. Believe the word that is sow into there hearts will light their way to Jesus.
---Bryan on 7/25/14


Very will undoubtably burn in hell forever, billions of them. But God will never stop loving them.
---love.jesus on 7/25/14


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