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Nana: 'not said to come by inability but by ability, choosing darkness rather'.

When you take the words of Christ, it does seem that way, yes.

One is never certain, however, whether, as St.Augustine suggested, that though we had the ability, that was ability that could only be used if first God had called us into that ability.

The initial question of the 'right to know the lover of God', I would say we have no right, only a permission because God gave us His love without our right
---Peter on 8/24/14


2 Corinthians 4:2, between believer and unbeliever, the believer "have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."

Christ says, "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." The condemnation is not said to come by inability but by ability, choosing darkness rather.
Paul said, "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind..."?
---Nana on 8/24/14


You are correct no man can do it.

But why cannot GOD convict them and call them and then let them decide?

Is GOD to weak to do that?

Why did GOD have to only die for a few?

Why does the Bible say that he loved the world when you say He did not but only just a tine few?

Why did He create people to torture in hell for all eternity when they have no choice but to do what they were designed for?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/24/14


//..If a wicked person is convicted they are wicked then can they not call out to GOD to save them?//

Samuel,
Yes, Only if the Spirit convicts them and convinces them of Christ, otherwise, they will be convicted of their sin against God, and will have no excuse. Unbelievers cannot and will not seek after God (Romans 3:10,11).
Paul tells us the Corinthian believers that blindness aptly describes the spiritual state of unbelievers. He points out that this blindness is inflicted by the "god" of this age who has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God (2 Corinthians 4:4).
"They cannot" they do not have the ability.
---Luke on 8/23/14


But in the Parable of the Sower the Gospel is offered to all. There are some who reject because of their nature, others are deceived by Satan. Others let the world crown out their belief.

But they all hear the Gospel and they all must be convicted. If a wicked person is convicted they are wicked then can they not call out to GOD to save them?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/22/14




//Luke I hope you notice you seem to be actually contradicting yourself in your last post.//

There is no contradiction in my answer.

//The HOLY SPIRIT will convict all people of sin.//

The Holy Spirit does convict all of sin, but not all in the same way. #1. is for the wicked, it is a judicial act of conviction.
#2. Is for those who will be saved. Is an act of convincing. The specific sin here is unbelief. The Holy Spirit convicts sinners of their sin, here the conviction is of their need for a Savior.

//But as the parable of the sower points out not all will follow that conviction.//

The parable of the sower does not mention anywhere someone is convicted or not convicted, concerning salvation.
---Luke on 8/22/14


Luke I hope you notice you seem to be actually contradicting yourself in your last post.

The HOLY SPIRIT will convict all people of sin.

But as the parable of the sower points out not all will follow that conviction.

On the day of the Great White Throne Judgment all the wicked will confess they are wrong. Revelation 20:11
Philippians 2:10,11

But we who follow GOD will confess that now.


Romans 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/20/14


Concerning (John 16:7,8) The word here convicts, has two meanings.
1. The judicial act of conviction with a view toward sentencing (a courtroom term) conviction of sin.
2. The act of convincing. Here Since the purpose of the Holy Spirit is not condemnation but conviction of a need for the Savior.
The specific sin here is unbelief, not believing in Jesus Christ. Which ultimately is the sin that damns people to hell.
In the context Jesus was talking to the disciples reminding them the Holy Spirit was going to come and convict the world (mankind) of sin. Not every single person for salvation, but also for sentencing. Agape
---Luke on 8/19/14


Luke I agree with all this post.


Sinful man has no rights for salvation, or God's love, he is at enmity against God. Luke on 8/15/14

The truth from the Bible is that the HOLY SPIRIT convicts all people but not all accept salvation. Remember the Parable of the Sower.

John 16:7,8

Nevertheless I tell you the truth, It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/18/14


//Things which God does, or has done, that appear to be "unloving" to some, imo, are not actually unloving, but just not understood correctly.//

Chria,
You are right on your answer. Sometimes what seems not to be loving is really love. I studied the story of those nations whom God commanded to be slaughtered. This from R.A. Torrey,
The extermination of the Canaanite children was not only an act of mercy and love to the world at large, but it was also an act of love and mercy to the children themselves. What awaited these children, if they had been allowed to live, was something vastly worse than death.
So in the case of the children, it was an act of mercy and love, even if we do not see it. Agape
---Luke on 8/18/14




Luke, my post was not to question Gods nature, His love for Israel, or others. He is Holy, Just, Righteous, and Love.
The point was simply for the opportunity for clarification of what (I saw) might be misconstrued by other readers.
---Chria9396 on 8/17/14


//Let me rearrange your points. GOD through the HOLY SPIRIT brings an awakening to a person. That is the job of the Holy Spirit.//

You are right that the Holy Spirit has to bring an awakening to the sinful person. If He doesn't, the sinner stays right where he is, lost. When God shows His mercy on a person, He saves the person by His grace. That person is saved because of the promise, he is being saved, because the Spirit is sanctifying him and changing him, and he will be saved from the wrath to come. But to those with no faith we are told,
"to those who refuse the gospel it is both foolishness and a stumbling block (1 Cor. 1:18). Sinful man has no rights for salvation, or God's love, he is at enmity against God. Agape
---Luke on 8/15/14


Good points Mark and Kathr I agree with both of you.

Let us Praise the LORD for what he is doing for us and in us.


Hebrews 4:14,15

Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/15/14


--Mark_Eaton on 8/14/14

Jesus prayed this very thing in John 17, I in them and thou in me that we may be ONE. This was not saying ALL the whole world at that time was ONE IN CHRIST and all one had to do is come to the realization of it. the ONE is the ONE Body of Christ. One must be baptized into His death to be baptized into Christ to be ONE with the Father and Son. ##Just as Adam and Eve became ONE, So we too become ONE, explained in Ephesians 5

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/14


So the ONLY way into the New Creation is THROUGH Jesus Christ. That's why we MUST BE BORN AGAIN. And that is what Galatians 6 is all about and Romans 6-8 and Colossians 2 and Philippians 3 is all about.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/14

I agree with this all. I have thoroughly studied each of these books and what you say I agree with.

But on this side we see everything dimly and through a veil.

What exactly happens when you are born again? How does the Spirit live within us? How do we live within Jesus? How can we be in Jesus who is in The Father?

There is more going on here than we realize.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/14/14


Mark_Eaton, scripture tells us old things will pass away, and all that is of the old creation is going to totally desolves. Jesus is head of the NEW creation and one must be a NEW creation to be part of the New. Judgment is not only coming to the old, but has already. Jesus is the WAY TRUTH AND THE ONLY LIFE in the New Creation, that will only know righteousness. Because only through Him are we given the righteousness of Christ. No sin or unrighteousness will enter the New creation, and it's sin that does separate the old from the New. . So the ONLY way into the New Creation is THROUGH Jesus Christ. That's why we MUST BE BORN AGAIN. And that is what Galatians 6 is all about and Romans 6-8 and Colossians 2 and Philippians 3 is all about.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/14


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Luke I agree with Romans 3. But I do not agree with your premise.
Let me rearrange your points. GOD through the HOLY SPIRIT brings an awakening to a person. That is the job of the Holy Spirit.
John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
GOD seeks after us not us after Him. We are brought to conviction and must choose. Our choice is not our righteousness we are called by love to respond. Saying yes to the Righteousness JESUS offers is not our work but the result of the work of GOD.
So this agrees with your second and third point. It makes us responsible for choosing to be lost. Instead of GOD choosing us to be lost and then torturing us for all eternity for what He did.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/13/14


Obviously not THE IDEA that Jesus is God THE WORD and all things were created by Him and For Him.
---kathr4453 on 8/13/14

Acts 17:28 says "For in him we live, and move, and have our being..." and Paul is talking about Jesus and to non-believers. Paul uses "we" likely describing all humanity, not just believers. All humanity has life, being, and movement IN Jesus.

This is the idea. Perhaps we as the BOC have been wrong to assume there is a separation between God and the unbeliever. Nowhere in Scripture does it say there is a separation, except in Isaiah 59:2 and only related to hiding His face from us.

Makes me think differently about Jesus being the way, the truth, and the life.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/13/14


Is THE IDEA Calvinism? Universalisn? Whosoever will? salvation by works? That is the only IDEAS that were posted here. So keeping religion out of it, what or who's IDEA does this verse support? I see you did not list love.jesus, and that was confusing too. It looked as though THE IDEA you felt the verse supported was universalism.

But if it has NOTHING to do with any of the above IDEAS what caused you to ask a question, first posting our names, and then say you want an answer totally unrelated to the blog question and postings?

Perhaps one should start another blog question totally unrelated to this one based on that verse, without any presupposition attached.
---kathr4453 on 8/13/14


Acts 17:28 "For in him we live, and move, and have our being, as certain also of This verse even supports the idea more and was spoken to unbelievers...

your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/12/14

Mark_Eaton, when you listed Luke, Kathr, Samuel on your first post and then follow up with this, :This verse even supports the idea more and was spoken to unbelievers... YOU are sending a confusing mixed message.

What idea is supported by this? Please give "THE IDEA" you had in mind then we will discuss "THE IDEA". I have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Obviously not THE IDEA that Jesus is God THE WORD and all things were created by Him and For Him.
---kathr4453 on 8/13/14


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//Luke it is called irresistible grace. Those who are saved have no choice.//

Samuel, Irresistible grace means that God is sovereign and no one can resist His power. When He desires to save someone, He does. Why does He have to do that? Because as we are told,
"There is none righteous, no, not one" If someone did choose Christ while lost they would be righteous.
"There is none who understand" In their fallen state, they understand nothing about God, they need a change a spiritual awakening from God.
"There is none who seeks after God" Here is the big kicker, no one seeks after God. Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost. Agape
---Luke on 8/13/14


I'm actually surprised that you seemed to have understood what Born from Above means, but I had no idea you believed everyone is Born Again...
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14

You are doing exactly what I did not want. You put up the "religious" defenses immediately by saying I think all are saved, that I support universalism, and immediately dismiss what I am saying.

I do not support universal salvation, universalism, pantheism, or deism. Never have and never will.

I thought we could look at something together that I have never seen before but is there in Scripture. The idea that ALL things are held together IN Christ. That Jesus is so much more than a conduit to the Father, that in Jesus everything has its being.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/13/14


Mark_Eaton, I must ask you to read Acts 17 again, but the entire conversation at Mars Hill. Paul in no way was telling the Greek Philosophers they have eternal life in Christ. He was commenting on their statue of theirs that was marked..."to an unknown God" Paul was making the point that God is not unknown, and has even more revealed Himself through Jesus Christ.

I'm actually surprised that you seemed to have understood what Born from Above means, but I had no idea you believed everyone is Born Again or Born from Above or AKA begotten again through Jesus Christ. One cannot be born Again and not know they are born Again. To be born again Of the Spirit of the life of Christ is only to those who receive Him.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14


Mark_Eaton, What you are suggesting it appears is what New Agers also universalists believe that God is in everyone and in everything. When man sinned the intimate relationship with God ended, only brought back through Jesus Christ. God can't even look at sin , much less Indwell sinners. So something first must happen before God's spirit consisting of the triune God can Indwell us.

That verse again means that God is the creator of ALL life, and because of Him we all live and move and have our being, including plants and animals, but is not suggesting all have ETERNAL LIFE IN HIM.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14


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This verse even supports the idea more and was spoken to unbelievers...

Acts 17:28 "For in him we live, and move, and have our being, as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/12/14

Supports WHAT idea more? The ISM we can't say?

When God created Adam out of the dust, Adam became a son of God so says the genealogy of Jesus stated in the Gospels. But we know son here is not son as in Angels who,are also called sons of God, who too live and move and have their being as well. Offspring here does not mean BEGOTTEN. And this in no way supports the IDEA you believe it supports. No fallen angel can ever be redeemed either of which universalism also believes.
---kathr453 on 8/12/14


That's a total lie, God forces no one, He makes individuals able to love Christ. Ephesians 2:4,5.
Luke

Luke it is called irresistible grace. Those who are saved have no choice.

We who believe in freedom of will do believe GOD enables all people to believe and those who accept that are saved.

Certain Calvinists started understanding that GOD loves everyone. So since GOD forces people to be saved He saves everyone.

Yes Kathr you are correct.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/12/14


The verses mean Jesus is God who created EVERYTHING, and without Him nothing was created....What else where you wanting it to mean?
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14

Exactly what it says, and the thing you are avoiding. That thru Jesus and by Jesus everything was created but thru Jesus everything has life and everything consists.

This verse even supports the idea more and was spoken to unbelievers...

Acts 17:28 "For in him we live, and move, and have our being, as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/12/14


Does anyone else see this concept and if so, what does it mean to us?

---Mark_Eaton on 8/12/14

Mark_Eaton, were you blowing off my answer? And what would prompt such a question immediately after discussing universalism and then say it has nothing to do with any previous posts on the subject. you seemed to be pointing to the previous posts with your question.

The verses mean Jesus is God who created EVERYTHING, and without Him nothing was created. So the answer still stands even if ism's aren't even though of with those verses in Romans and Colossians.

What else where you wanting it to mean?
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14


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//Rom 11:36 "For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen"//

Mark,
Kathr is correct. They speak of His diety. In Romans 11:36 we are told that God is the source, the substance and the rightful end of everything that exist. The same for 1 Col.1:17. Here,
"All things were created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." before the Universe had a beginning, Christ already existed(Mich5:2: John 1:1,2: 8:58: "Consist" lit. "to hold together" for Christ sustains the Universe, maintaining the power and balance necessary to life's existence and continuity (Heb. 1:3) It is not about salvation.
---Luke on 8/12/14


I believe those verses you posted deal with the Deity of Christ, not universal salvation.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14

I would sincerely like to throw away the names, the -isms and the definitions to discuss the Word of God without prior prejudice.

I am not discussing Universal Salvation, Universalism, Pantheism or Deism.

I am discussing a subject not clearly defined in the Bible, yet it is there. Multiple times the idea that Jesus is the substance that keeps the entire cosmos together and in Him all things ARE and have their being.

Does anyone else see this concept and if so, what does it mean to us?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/12/14


Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits (Heb. 6:1-3).

Doesn't say temporary judgment, but ETERNAL JUDGEMENT. The problem with Universalism among many problems is that they overlook scripture saying "NO ONE can come to the Father except through His Son. They believe as did Mother Theresa, that as long as you are a good Buddhist, be the best Buddhist you can be. If you are a good Muslim be the very best you can be and so on. WRONG!
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14


Mark_Eaton, I believe those verses you posted deal with the Deity of Christ, not universal salvation.

Colossians 1:14-(KJV)14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he might have the preeminence.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14


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Universalism...Calvinism...false teachers...Does everyone participate in...No, they are born lost, and a fallen nature.
---Luke on 8/12/14
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14
---Samuelbb7 on 8/11/14

But what about these statements? Do you believe them enough to say that "all humanity is in Christ" based upon these statements?

Rom 11:36 "For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen"

Col 1:17 "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together"

If all things are in Jesus and He holds all things together, then perhaps this "separation" from God that we use to describe the unsaved is incorrect.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/12/14


//Dear Love Jesus can a person choose to be lost?/
No, they are born lost, and a fallen nature.

//Does GOD force those who hate others to love when they do not want to?//
Yes, "we love Him because He first love "us" (believers) 1 John 4:8-10.

//Universalism came from Calvinism in that it teaches GOD forces and makes all go to heaven.//
That's a total lie, God forces no one, He makes individuals able to love Christ. "But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved "us" (believers) even when "we" were dead in trespasses, made "us" alive together with Christ.." Ephesians 2:4,5.
---Luke on 8/12/14


The Good news of the Gospel??? That everyone is going to heaven?

Does everyone participate in..."To eat my flesh and drink my blood" have eternal life?

Why bother warning against false teachers or sin? Or warning about the second death?

If I wanted to create an even more bazaar religion I'm sure I could find 1 or 2 verses to make one up totally disregarding 99 % of the rest of the Word of God. But we are instructed to believe EVERY WORD OF GOD, not just the ones we like.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14


love: "From that, it is logically impossible for anyone not to be saved at some point."

That's faulty logic! The Bible clearly teaches:

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.


Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
---jerry6593 on 8/12/14


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Samuel, the Scriptures plainly say that God is the savior of all mankind, and that it is God's will that everyone be saved. It also says that no one can thwart God's will. From that, it is logically impossible for anyone not to be saved at some point. That is the good news of the gospel.
---love.jesus on 8/11/14


Dear Love Jesus can a person choose to be lost?

Does GOD force those who hate others to love when they do not want to?

Universalism came from Calvinism in that it teaches GOD forces and makes all go to heaven.

Do you believe we have the power to choose?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/11/14


Love.jesus, there, you did it again.....pretending to apologize so you could get another dig in. I don't care if you respond to my posts, I only care HOW you respond to mine and others as well. Your very good at the art of insult all the while pretending to be innocent of those insults. THAT's what is unchristlike Love.Jesus. Don't think others can't see that.

Do I accept your apology? Only as sincerely as you gave it!
---kathr4453 on 8/11/14


Kathr, The scripture says that God is not willing that anyone should perish. But you say that God is willing that people should perish. Should I believe you, or should I believe the scripture?
---love.jesus on 8/9/14


Firstly, no where did I ever say God was willing that any should perish. YOU twisted not only the verse but also my words, and then want to present yourself as one who believes God, and anyone who sees this verse differently than you as someone who doesn't believe God.

Yet you give no supporting scripture for your interpretation.

Love.jesus a Christlike reply is not insults with honey dripping off your tongue all the while trying to look like some sanctimonious victim.
---kathr453 on 8/11/14


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Kathr, I'm sorry you thought I was condemning you. If that's how it came across to you, I apologize. I promise you from now on I will not post any comments in response to what you say on these blogs. God bless you. You may now have the last word.
---love.jesus on 8/10/14


Luke You say He is just then support the doctrine of eternal hell that show He is unjust.

Luke 13:4

Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

Bad things happen to all people because GOD allows it.
But that some die or were executed does not mean GOD did not care for them. JESUS has not changed he still cares for all people.

In the doctrine of eternal hell Cain suffers more punishment then Hitler. In fact small children from then suffer more then Hitler. How is that just?

You say I misinterpret 2Peter 3:9. How?

I have given you many scripture verses but you do not explain how I misuse them.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/10/14


Love.jesus, you should have stated that in the first place. It's very annoying when someone accuses another of not believing God when they take scripture about of context. No one is being huffy here. But for those who get annoyed with you, perhaps you provoke that annoyance, by cutting them off with your condemnation, all the while admitting ignorance, lack of caring, rather than involving in a discussion.

Only those who DO the will of My Father. All the rest....I NEVER KNEW YOU DEPART FORM ME YOU WORKERS OF INIQUITY.

Perhaps it is you who don't believe God.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/14


Kathr, Please relax and don't get all huffy. I am not asking you to believe anything. It's okay if you disagree with me. I just wanted to let you know that we don't agree.

God loves us both and will do the best for us always. I am sure you agree with me about that.
---love.jesus on 8/10/14


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Different versions of 2 Peter 3:9 use the words Willing, Wanting, Wishing when referring to God's feeling about people perishing. These 3 words don't all mean exactly the same thing but we all have our favourite versions of the bible and will, therefore, not all agree on the exact meaning of this verse. That being the case it's rather pointless to argue about it.

Only those who have, seriously, studied the original language in which this was written will know which word is accurate.
---Rita_H on 8/10/14


Dear Chria,
Lets reason together.
You say,
//Considering what you wrote, which I quoted, are you saying that God sometimes acts contrary to His nature? My thought is God cannot deny Himself//

God never goes against His own nature, character, or His attributes. The reason you don't understand is because you forget that God is also Just, Holy, Righteous, and no part of His nature goes against another part of His nature or character.
God loved Israel, over all the other nations. Other nations were slaughtered for the survival of Israel. Women and children. God does not have the same love for those born starving to death, while others are born with food in their mouths, yet God gives them life. There is many examples. Agape
---Luke on 8/10/14


Love.jesus, I don't believe in Universalism as you do. And I also explained in the post before that we need to submit to the WILL OF GOD, just as Jesus did, and left us that example.

So, I don't take only one verse and build a whole new religion around it, and then claim ignorance and an I don't care attitude when someone goes to a lot of trouble to show me something. That's your MO here. So with that, if it's all the same to you, I'm not going to explain further to you just so you can come back and say... ".THAT'S TOOOOOO COMPLICATED FOR ME AND I DON'T CARE ANYWAY."
---kathr4453 on 8/10/14


Kathr, The scripture says that God is not willing that anyone should perish. But you say that God is willing that people should perish. Should I believe you, or should I believe the scripture?
---love.jesus on 8/9/14


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If God is not willing that any should perish, then no one will perish, because God always gets what he wills.
---love.jesus on 8/8/14


Love.jesus many have already perished. There is no such thing as universal salvation. Cain perished, and it was not God's will that he did, being given a second chance, but Cain refused to submit to the will of God. God being long suffering as He showed by His actions with Cain did not force salvation on Cain, nor will He force His will on any one else.

You make a mockery of obedience and faith.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/14


"God's nature is Love. His actions are not always loving."

Luke on 8/9/14

Luke, I haven't been involved in conversations here lately, but this blog was at the top of the screen when I decided to pop in....I hope you don't mind a question?

Considering what you wrote, which I quoted, are you saying that God sometimes acts contrary to His nature? My thought is God cannot deny Himself...

Things which God does, or has done, that appear to be "unloving" to some, imo, are not actually unloving, but just not understood correctly.
---Chria9396 on 8/9/14


If God is not willing that any should perish, then no one will perish, because God always gets what he wills.
---love.jesus on 8/8/14


Samuel,
You say a lot but have no Scripture. And when you give one, (2 Peter 3:9) you misinterpret it. First you say,
//Luke your statement means that JESUS cared as a man but as GOD he does not.//
The passage was speaking of Jesus in His humanity, He responded in His human nature. He even cried, God the Spirit has no physical body that cries. Hello?

//Is that not saying GOD is not love?//

Of course not. God's nature is Love. His actions are not always loving. Was it love when showed when He ordered the slaughter of many nations? Women and children? How about when He had the Angel of the Lord, kill all those who did not have the blood on the doors? All first born. I will answer on 2 Peter 3:9 later. Agape
---Luke on 8/9/14


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Samuel,
Matthew 5:43-45 Jesus was addressing the disciples, who were going to be hated for Christ (v.5:44).
Concerning (2 Peter 3:9) when it says,
" Longsuffering toward "us" the "us' is believers and those who will come to Christ. Why? Because (v. 2:6,7) Peter had already spoken of those preserved for fire.
"not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" the "all" are all those who will come to Christ. He is not saying all humans. If the passage in (v. 9) meant every human being, then the (v. 6,7) are false.
Many of you keep quoting that passage our of context. Study the passages carefully if you have a passion for the Truth. Agape
---Luke on 8/9/14


2Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I wonder what some think the word WILLING means here. God did not WILL anyone to perish. Any and all also mean any and all.

All day long I have stretched out my hand to you , BUT YOU WOULD NOT. God's hand is not shortened to anyone. But WE have to reach back and take His.
---kathr4453 on 8/8/14


Thank you Nana good point.

Luke your statement means that JESUS cared as a man but as GOD he does not.

Is that not saying GOD is not love?

While I believe JESUS is GOD and man. He acted in the way that GOD does now. His love his compassion are all attributes of GOD.


2Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


Exodus 34:6

And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
---Samuelbb7 on 8/8/14


//Since JESUS did not love these people according to your words Luke why did JESUS cry and weep for them?//

Samuel, you say,
"according to my words", Again making up stuff I never say.

Jesus in His humanity felt pain, suffered and was just like us. yet in His Divine nature He could save all if He so wanted.
Third, God is utterly sovereign and therefore capable of bringing to pass whatever He desires,
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from Ancient things that are not yet done, Saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure" Isaiah 46:10.
including the salvation of whomever He chooses (Eph. 1:4,5). In His human nature, He did many things He did not do in His Divine nature.
---Luke on 8/8/14


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Matthew 5:43_45 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you,
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

That was said not only to the close disciples but to the multitude as well. Matthew 6,7 also.
---Nana on 8/8/14


Mat 23:37

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Since JESUS did not love these people according to your words Luke why did JESUS cry and weep for them?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/7/14


// Of course God loves us all. He is our Heavenly Father. Only an evil father would not love ALL his children - even the disobedient ones.//

Dear Jerry,
Of course you are right, if you are talking about God's children, those born of God.
But those not born of God are not His children Genesis 3:15 clearly teaches that God made the division of the children, those that belong to Christ and those that belong to the devil.
God never abandons His children, even those who disobey He chastens. Agape
---Luke on 8/7/14


Rita, I think you are quite right about that.
---love.jesus on 8/3/14


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There should be NO put-downs on a site like this. I wonder if people who use C.N would use anything remotely like the same vocabulary they use here if they met the same people and could speak face-to-face with them.

The genuine and the cowards/bullies would soon be sorted out. If an invitation to meet were given out I don't think that many here would actually turn up.
---Rita_H on 8/3/14


Put-downs become ever more creative on this site.
---love.jesus on 8/2/14


Leon: The dead space is just for you. It symbolizes the vacuity of your empty religious philosophies.



---jerry6593 on 8/2/14


No the once that love him will be in heaven. Who are we to judge who does and does not. But I see love in some here and I see lot of selfish to. Life is hard enough without somes self righteous judgements. The light is still going forth as God spoke in the beginning, so his word Is still working the same today brings light into darkness.
---Bryan on 7/31/14


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Bryan: Some on this website have taught that God loves only the "chosen", "predestined" ones. Others insist that only their own denomination will be saved. Very few, like me, have taught that heaven will be populated with Christians from many different denominations.



---jerry6593 on 7/30/14

One day I'm going be very shocked when Jerry actually signs the dead space in between his comments & ID. ijs LOL
---Leon on 7/30/14


Bryan: Some on this website have taught that God loves only the "chosen", "predestined" ones. Others insist that only their own denomination will be saved. Very few, like me, have taught that heaven will be populated with Christians from many different denominations.



---jerry6593 on 7/30/14


I'm blessed that you all know this truth. So when Jesus ask why did you did not share it you will have no excuse.
---Bryan on 7/29/14


Bryan "God is Love". It is only by Him that man has any capacity to experience or show true love. Considering the fact that the law and the prophets hang the two commandments to love. Everybody having "the right to know the love of God" is a given.
---Josef on 7/28/14


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Bryan: Of course God loves us all. He is our Heavenly Father. Only an evil father would not love ALL his children - even the disobedient ones.



---jerry6593 on 7/28/14


Leon, it means exactly what it says.
---love.jesus on 7/27/14


"...God will be everything to everybody. [?!!!]..."
---love.jesus on 7/26/14


What does that mean?
---Leon on 7/27/14


Leon, it means that it in the end, God will be everything to everybody. That is the heart of the gospel.
---love.jesus on 7/26/14


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Love: Would you be so kind to explain, in your words, what 1 Cor. 15:28 means? Thx.
---Leon on 7/26/14


Everyone who honors God PROPERLY with "ACCEPTABLE" worship will be given God's love.

You need to "KEEP" (there is nothing to "OBEY") the principles/precepts of LAW in order to be sanctified/"circumcised".

You must also love God as FATHER and become a son of His ("Abba Father" is the spirit of sonship, Romans 8:15).

You must also live under THE PERFECT LAW (not the imperfect one about sin).
....and you must also LOVE the truth, 2 Thess. 2 (most people only LIKE the truth)..

Rom 2:26 a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?

James 1:25
perfect law, the law of liberty,2 Thess. 2:6 RSV.
---faithforfaith on 7/26/14


Bryan, not only does every human being have the right to know God's love, every human being will eventually experience it too. See 1 Corinthians 15:28.
---love.jesus on 7/25/14


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