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Could it be that the relationship a child has with his or her Daddy has an effect on the way they see the heavenly Father and when or whether they accept Jesus as their savior?

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 ---Geraldine on 7/26/14
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I understood that God as our Father is different than my dad. So, I could see how he was wrong and feel I should do what is good, instead. One time, I saw him scrounging for cigarette butts under his car seat. So, I decided never to smoke, so I wouldn't have to smoke germy butts, one day.

However, others use parents as their excuse to smoke > "If they can, I can."

So, how your father can effect you may be related to how you have learned to react about things. I was taught about germs, so I used that. Others go by what other kids may have them do.

If you bring up a child with toys and TV, your child "might" bond with them and not listen to you.
---com7fy8 on 9/15/14

Wow! I am rather render to remember the similar situation, real mother left me!
So,confusin to me, for long while, my own mother didn't want me, then how come God left me be with the aunt cruel Aethiest!! ??

Thank God for my grandmother love Christ lik manner!
I hate to think how I could' turn out!!
thank God he allow me to get through
It to come to know tests come to make us strong!
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 9/15/14

Love your posts Kath4453, wonderfull see you here this morning.
love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 9/15/14

Everyone can experience the Love of God right this minute. It's not an emotion or even a feeling, but a fact.

But if you don't believe it, how can you ever KNOW IT?

For God sooooooooooo Loved the world, meaning you and me and every person in this world, HE gave His Only Begotten Son, that who so ever ( here's the part where you make it personal) believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

Now THIS is real love. God doesn't become your Father until you become a begotten son THROUGH Jesus Christ. Then you say ABBA DADDY. Oh what a day and moment that is. Even the most mutilated and crippled of emotions can experience this love.
---kathr4453 on 9/15/14

Many people believe there is a Jesus. So to accept to me means to receive Him accepting is making your belief PERSONAL. It has to be made personal. The demons believe.....

To as many as receive Him accepting Him.

I'm sorry Mark_Eaton your experience with your father was as it was. Sometimes people who are extremely religious can be extremely hard. It doesn't sound like your father ever personally experienced God's love himself.

No one really knows the kind of Love God gives unless you've personally experienced it first hand. God's love is something we learn through experiences and never really reach the depth of God's heart. His mercy is NEW everyday.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/14

Mark Eaton, there is no 'one size fits all' on websites like this. We all speak from personal experience or from what we have observed generally, about others, during the life WE have lived.

Some people have smothering fathers who do, and know, it all. Some have absent fathers who have no input whatsoever, whilst some are present yet inactive and leave it all to mum.

You were very unfortunate with yours but what I said 'generally' is the case. Mum's mould children far more than dads do in the MAJORITY of cases, simply because they spend more time with them. This will be less so now because there are very many working mums who pay others to care for their children and the lack of mothering is showing in today's children.
---Rita_H on 9/14/14

Dads have a short time to influence their children in any direction and then the world takes over.
---Rita_H on 9/9/14

I must disagree with you.

In my own life, my father is a minister, is distant emotionally, and was abusive physically as a parent.

Growing up I saw him spending hours with others in hospitals and homes but he never had the time for even one of my ball games. When he disciplined me, he hit me in the face, even into my teen years.

Consequently, I wanted to kill my father and hated his God. I wanted nothing to do with his God and had nothing to do with God until 30 years later.

How we feel about our earthly fathers definitely has a bearing on how we relate to our Heavenly Father.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/9/14

Regarding the original question exactly as it was asked - very few children are brought up by Christian dads because Christians are in the minority. Dads have a short time to influence their children in any direction and then the world takes over.

Some have no dad, some have substitute dads, some have abusive dads etc.

Mums spend far more time with their offspring and, i.m.o. have a much greater influence on their children than most dads have.

In many cases neither parent is capable of helping their children in spiritual matters and sometimes it is the children who teach the parents.
---Rita_H on 9/9/14

A childs Daddy is to be family leader. He maybe good or bad, Christian, Nonchristian. A Christian Dad may lead the children to Jesus, depending.

Matt. 23 v 9. This Also applies to Rev.17 vs 4. 5. 6., the trinity harlot church fathers. Priests being called fathers. Such even other ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. So Deceiving.
---Lawrence on 9/6/14

Words do have definite meanings, and I've learned the Bible is very precise about what it says, even if humans are not.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/14

Agree, and when we further examine original wording and beside scriptural witnesses we find clarity and truth.
Humans who are not word careful, care not about truth.
The word judging, in the context example below:
Luk_22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
"but" would be another word:
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Pro_25:11 A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.
---Trav on 7/31/14

This question also makes me ponder: Do more humans accept God as heavenly father out of fear or love?
---Geraldine on 7/31/14


While our relationship with our earthly father may not be related to our relationship with our heavenly father, consider this:

If a person has an earthly father who is cruel and abusive, and someone tells him "God is our father", that person might thus perceive God as a horrible cruel tyrant - somebody to say as far away from as possible. So the earthly reality does indeed affect our perception of the heavenly one.
---StrongAxe on 7/31/14

The only way a lost person will come to Christ is for God to change his heart. Once God changes his heart, that person can see his own sin against God, and repent.
While he is lost, he feels no need for Christ in his life. Jesus said,
"But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life" (John 5:40).
God, the Holy Spirit has to change a sinners heart in order for him to not only see Christ but also believe in Him. Believing by faith in Christ is the work of God
"Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent" (John 6:29). Agape
---Luke on 7/29/14

aka, yes, you are certainly right about that.
---love.jesus on 7/28/14

Aka, there seems to be so much confusion regarding God's forgiveness.

I do agree (because that's what Scripture says) that it is Gods work all the way, as we can in no way earn our salvation. However the process (if we can call it that) begins when we accept we have a desperate need of a Saviour.

If as some seem to think, we have nothing to do with the 'process' at all, then that, to me, says they believe God saves those who have not accepted their sinful lost state, their need of forgiveness, and repented.

Does it not begin when we accept our need of Him, and turn to him?

I connect with the line in a Hymn: Nothing in my hand I bring, simply to thy cross I cling.
---Warwick on 7/28/14

Your earthly relation should bear little resemblance to your relationship with the Divine Father (God is not HUMAN).

However, it needs to be realized that your DAD didn't order you or COMMAND you to do good (your dad knew that it wasn't necessary to COMMAND you,.....OR WAS IT?). Likely, your dad preferred and taught you to be a "LOVER OF GOODNESS"....

Titus 1:8 explains that each of us should be a "LOVER OF GOODNESS" (instead of needing a MASTER to COMMAND us).

That verse also says that we should each be OUR OWN MASTER "lover of goodness, master of himself").

Love and honor God as FATHER ("Abba Father" is the only way we can be a SON of God, is the spirit of sonship).
---faithforfaith on 7/28/14

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Geraldine : An adult will face God's judgment based on his/her personal choice.
The source of unbelief can come from many tools of the enemy of man.
Maybe those who died as young children can have an excuse like, "my father instructed me not to believe Jesus ".
---Adetunji on 7/28/14

It is useless to try to have a conversation without common ground.
---love.jesus on 7/27/14

there is common ground...jesus christ. now, to jws, lds, sda, et al jesus means something else as christ does, so i will agree with your comment there.

i am not Orthodox as i am not evangelical. i am adenominational.

firstly, cluny is not talking about accept v. believe. he is talking about the phrase "accept Jesus as Savior". if there is any acceptance, it is Jesus acceptance of us as His children.

Secondly, I accept that obama as president. however, i do not believe in him as president.

there is something beyond when you say believe, and that is what we are told to do not to simply accept.
---aka on 7/28/14

But did you know that NOWHERE does the Bible say to "accept Christ" at all, whether as Savior or otherwise?
---Cluny on 7/26/14

You've noted Cluny what todays doctrines cannot/will not accept.
It is because these doctrines of today cannot accept GOD's prophecied word preferring their own doctrinal twist. Specifically avoiding the prophets, as they should. Exposing them in scriptural lighting as false preacher/teachers.

Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 7/28/14

One needs to remember that Orthodox Christians have a whole different way of thinking about theology than Evangelicals have. It is useless to try to have a conversation without common ground.
---love.jesus on 7/27/14

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Come on Cluny, you know you play word games. That is your game. I accept that!

Believe and accept, in this case are inextricably connected: Had we not believed what Jesus had done for us we would have no foundational reason to accept Him as our Saviour.
---Warwick on 7/27/14

God knows exactly what each individual means even if one individual does not use the same words that another individual would use. God knows the heart so our usage of words actually needs to make sense to Him alone and not, necessarily to others who listen to what we say.

When, I personally, say that I accept Jesus as my Saviour I, personally, mean that I BELIEVE that Jesus is my Saviour because He died taking my punishment on the cross.

Accept and believe often mean exactly the same thing.
---Rita_H on 7/27/14

\\To say we "accept Christ" is a succinct way of saying that we accept we are sinners\\

But **I** play word games?

Geraldine, "believe" is not the same thing as "accept."

Words do have definite meanings, and I've learned the Bible is very precise about what it says, even if humans are not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/14


As far as the question goes...
without a doubt, the relationship should change.

a few will grow out of the worldliness into which they were born and grow into likeness of the Heavenly Daddy.

however, most will use this the Lord's name to be more of the idiot they always were even though the surface may change.

As far as the rabbit trail of acceptance...if you treat others as you want to be treated in Truth and Spirit "acceptance" will not be an issue in your walk with the Lord.
---aka on 7/27/14

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Warwick I agree with what you say. We 'accept' that we are sinners, we 'accept' that Jesus died in our place, taking the punishment due to us. We 'accept' that what He did was a gift and therefore we are now saved because of His sacrifice.

When we say that we 'accept Christ as our Saviour' or we refer to someone else as having accepted Christ as their Saviour, that is what we mean. If someone here wishes to play word games I suggest that we leave him to get on with that. It makes no difference to us because WE and GOD know exactly what the term means. If he doesn't it is his loss.
---Rita_H on 7/27/14

Cluny I believe you are only playing word games. To say we "accept Christ" is a succinct way of saying that we accept we are sinners, lost in sin (unable to redeem ourselves) who desperately need the forgiveness that can only be attained through Jesus' sacrificial death, and His rising from the dead. I believe this is what "accept Christ" means.

Geraldine, I think those who have had a truly bad earthly Father find it hard to accept that their heavenly Father could be trustworthy and loving.
---Warwick on 7/27/14

Cluny, if John 3:16 does not mean "accept Christ" what does it mean?
---Geraldine on 7/27/14

See look at you cluny muddy again your middle name is wrong, and your second line always is "it doesn't say". Next thing you will be saying is Jesus doesn't want anybody saved. Come on cluny the hole bible is about Jesus saving, the word and Jesus are the same.
---Bryan on 7/27/14

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"Could it be that the relationship a child has with his or her Daddy has an effect on the way they see the heavenly Father" Yes, whether the influence is positive or negative. However as His Word is open to us, He shows us the Father. He shows us that His word is the ultimate truth. The Lord reveals Himself and proclaims, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth. Exo 34:6>Num 14:18>Deu 5:10>2Ch 30:9>Psa 86:5, and the witnesses continue. That's our Heavenly Father, regardless of any misconceptions
"and when or whether they accept Jesus as their savior?" No, Father chooses the time of His influence, as well as the opening of our minds to receive His Son.
---Josef on 7/27/14

It could be, Geraldine.

But did you know that NOWHERE does the Bible say to "accept Christ" at all, whether as Savior or otherwise?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/26/14

Geraldine, I believe it can have very profound effect, especially in its negative aspects.
---love.jesus on 7/26/14

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