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Strong Delusion Of The Last Days

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Eve too believed a lie. What do you believe the lie is in 2nd Thessalonians 2:11? Could it be the same lie?

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\\So you could say we Protestants agree with the decision made then. But we do not accept all the other traditions that oppose what the Bible says that have been added hundreds of years later.
Why because we believe in the Absolute final authority of Scripture. \\

So you DO admit that the only authority you have for the NT is tradition.

Next question: Why do you pick and choose which parts of tradition you accept-- the same tradition that gave you the NT to start with to which you appeal?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/14/14


Correct throughout history and many years not the same. For many years the Jews were the only Christians but not throughout the history of the Church.
The RCC say they gave us the Bible. You Cluny say the Orthodox gave us the Bible.
The Jews gave us the Old Testament.
The one and it should be called the Orthodox since the RCC had not split off yet approved the Canon of the New Testament based on early church fathers and the work of Scholars.
So you could say we Protestants agree with the decision made then. But we do not accept all the other traditions that oppose what the Bible says that have been added hundreds of years later.
Why because we believe in the Absolute final authority of Scripture.

Isaiah 8:20
---Samuelbb7 on 8/14/14


\\Yet both set up tradition above scripture and have been very hostile to the Jewish people. \\

And what is your authority for 27 books in the NT--and just those particular 27--other than tradition?

There wasn't a note that floated down from heaven, was there?

Please explain.

(BTW: "Many years" and "throughout history" are not the same things.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/14/14


They would be welcome in my church.
---shira4368 on 8/13/14


Since all the first Christians were Jews and would not be welcome in any orthodox church today and in fact through out history since they still followed all the Jewish rules for many years.

The idea that it was the Orthodox church established is exactly the same is the RCC teach they were established.

Yet both set up tradition above scripture and have been very hostile to the Jewish people.

Many of their doctrines are from hundreds of years latter.

Also as Cluny states they do not have to follow what the Bible says.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/13/14




\\Cluny, given that the dates of the writing of the earliest NT Scriptures (some have suggested Mark around 30AD, some John, at the same time, some the epistles of Paul),:\\

But the Church started at Pentecost in 29 AD.

\\You take the oldest churches, such as that in Jerusalem at the time of Pentecost, as 'Orthodox'.\\

But of COURSE they were.

You didn't think they were Evangelical Anglican, did you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/13/14


Cluny: 'Orthodox Church was functioning completely before ONE WORD of the NT was ever written.'

Cluny, given that the dates of the writing of the earliest NT Scriptures (some have suggested Mark around 30AD, some John, at the same time, some the epistles of Paul), I personally think you make the following error:

You take the oldest churches, such as that in Jerusalem at the time of Pentecost, as 'Orthodox'.

I understand your reason for stating this, but I am not certain that those were more similar to Orthodox, Catholic or any other group

Please understand, I come from an Orthodox family, but was never baptized as an infant, and ended up it the evangelical Church of England. I like the Orthodox Church very much!
---Peter on 8/12/14


God's wrath also came during the time of Noah, and all but 8 ended in hell, or so many believe, but the flood itself and God's wrath VIA the flood was not hell itself. And just as Noah and family were saved from that wrath that came then, so will those who are saved also be saved from the wrath of God to come again.

To be consumed with the brightness of His Glory is not the description of the lake of fire.

And of coarse Zechariah 12-14 describe God's wrath on earth and a time of peace after called the millennial reign ...all quite before the final judgement of the lake of fire or HELL ITSELF, when the dead are raised and given a trial and are judge out of the books to face a second death.

So Cluny, wrong again.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/14


Cluny, again all this is clearly stated in the OT many many places. The Wrath of God, the Day of The Lord. So perhaps you have been looking in the wrong places for your answer. The NT only reiterates what was already spoken in the old. So on that note, maybe we should avoid your orthodox churches because you have chosen to omit OT prophesy yet to be fulfilled. The 12 Apostles, the real ones quoted from the OT time and again about the wrath of God to come and the Day of The Lord. So is it you who missed it? Or did they? The original apostles certainly did not.
---kathr453 on 8/12/14


//The Orthodox Church was functioning completely before ONE WORD of the NT was ever written.//

Nowhere in the Word of God are we told there was an Orthodox Church anywhere. Any claims to that come from sinful man not from God's Word.


//Now, on what authority do you accept the books in the Bible that you receive as inspired? Did God appear and give you a list?//

If you had faith in God and His Word you would believe the word of God is inspired, because we are told in the Word of God it is inspired, and we who have faith believe in the Word of God. While you put your faith in the words of sinful man who have failed since the beginning. Faith is the substance of things hope for, the evidence of things not seen.
---Luke on 8/12/14




\\Well that is a problem for you.\\

I don't find it a problem at all.

The Orthodox Church was functioning completely before ONE WORD of the NT was ever written.

Now, on what authority do you accept the books in the Bible that you receive as inspired? Did God appear and give you a list?

Just how exactly do you choose the "Word" to believe?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/11/14


BTW, there are only three times the expression "wrath to come" appears in the NT, and all three times, the context clearly means "hell".

Now what, kathr?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/11/14


BTW, as I've said elsewhere, Orthodox are NOT bound by sola scriptura. That's your rule, not mine, and I don't have to play that game.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 8/11/14

Well that is a problem for you. But for others who believe the Word, it would seem out of place for you to tell others they are wrong.

Since you stated that fact, I will not bother you with any scripture of the 70th week, aka 7 years etc.
---kathr4453 on 8/11/14


\\You say wrong again, yet give no scripture as to why you believe the Day of the Lord is not the Day of His Wrath.\\

How can a day last for seven years?

Give scripture for that, please.

BTW, as I've said elsewhere, Orthodox are NOT bound by sola scriptura. That's your rule, not mine, and I don't have to play that game.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/11/14


Cluny the DAY OF THE LORD is the DAY of HIS WRATH stated over and over in the OT AKA, the Day of Jacob's Trouble when the WRATH of God is coming.

You say wrong again, yet give no scripture as to why you believe the Day of the Lord is not the Day of His Wrath.

Now the Lords Day or the Day of Jesus Christ is another but not a day of wrath.

Now again show me I'm wrong, and I will come back and post man,many scriptures to show you this is correct.
---kathr4453 on 8/11/14


|| And this WRATH TO COME, is not hell, it's the great tribulation .
---kathr4453 on 8/10/14||

Wrong yet a third time.

Quit before you're further behind.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/11/14


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Cluny, that is because the suffering they are facing like all Christians have faced from the beginning of time is NOT THE WRATH OF GOD, coming upon all disobedient people.

We have been saved from this WRATH TO COME. And this WRATH TO COME, is not hell, it's the great tribulation .
---kathr4453 on 8/10/14


May I remind rapturists on here that there has been NO RAPTURE to save the Christians in Iraq, Iran, and Syria from suffering and martyrdom?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/14


//Sooooo, will the final beast, the one we see in Revelation and Thesselonians actually claim to be God,or Jesus Christ Himself//

A beast is a kingdom (bible definition) and therefore a political power. The antichrist is very likely the leader of that power. The antichrist may not outwardly claim to be God, but will think to stand in the place of God. That same passage in Thessalonians refers to the antichrist as son of perdition. This name has only been bestowed on one other, namely Judas. So the antichrist will likely appear to be one of us, but will betray us and God. Revelation 17 says a woman (church) rides the beast, therefore we know this system to be a church as well as a political power.
---jason9835 on 8/9/14


Cluny wrong on two accounts. Paul also said " I am crucified with Christ". But we know that ALL Who are saved by Grace through faith are crucified with Christ. "Those" are the MARKS of The Lord Jesus that those who have been crucified with Christ bear, and only those who bear them are a NEW CREATURE. As Paul clearly states in Galatians 6.

And again Cluny, who said anything about PRE trib? WHENever Revelation 10:7 is, because The MYSTERY OF GOD is the Church, see Colossians 2, and says it is "complete". Again the CHURCH IS NOT EARTHLY ISRAEL, who seems to be the focus Beginning Revelation 11 describing this scene again in Zechariah 12-14 among other places in the OT the Prophets spoke of.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/14


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Wivv, you are correct. One of the false teachings was that the resurrection had already taken place upsetting many. And that certain things had to take place before the first resurrection, which is the resurrection of the righteous. Interesting too along those lines, is that the beast will take a wound on his head and appear to have died and come back to life.

Maybe this too is part of the lie feeding into strong delusions where people believe him to be a god.
---kathr453 on 8/10/14


You have to realize that this idea of delusion started at the church concerning Christ's Return. He states that certain things must happen first before His coming One of these things is the, "strong delusion". This delusion will happen via false teachings. For example: How many "front line" denominations are now nothing more than social clubs with tax exemption? (There's nothing wrong with having social programs, but the social program is suppose to be a means to an end, to tell some about salvation, not an end in itself) Take a hymnal from the 1940"s and compare it with one of today. (How many hymns of today deal with the blood of Christ compare to the hymn book of the 1940's ?)
---wivv on 8/9/14


Wrong on two counts, kathr.

1. There's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture.

2. St. Paul never said that WE bore the marks of the Lord Jesus. He only that HE HIMSELF bore them on his body.

Go back and read the passage.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/14


"What do you believe the lie is in 2nd Thessalonians 2:11?"
The false christ standing in the stead of the True Christ.
---josef on 8/9/14


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Actually Steveng, it's the opposite. Those who don't believe in the rapture, won't be Raptured anyway being left here to take the mark. If perchance this mark is required before the rapture no Born again Christian would take it anyway. It would be a mark of idolatry. God never requires a Christian to mark themself or let anyone mark them . As Paul stated, we already bear the marks of The Lord Jesus. No additional marks are required.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/14


Steveng, that's exactly what I've been saying for years.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/14


Most christians believe in the rapture and will unknowingly take the mark of the beast. They believe that any mark that exist is not the mark of the beast because they would be raptured befpre the mark of the beast is issued not knowing that it is indeed the mark of the beast.
---Steveng on 8/8/14


We know there have been many anti_Christs, or so we think there have but not a one of them so far did anyone believe was God Himself. Nero, Hitler etc. I don't believe anyone every said of Nero or Hitler, "there is the Christ", or "here is the Christ". Sooooo, will the final beast, the one we see in Revelation and Thesselonians actually claim to be God,or Jesus Christ Himself. But then he can't be someone born at any given time, but someone who returns, or makes it look like a returning, or Unless someone says they cloned Jesus Christ?

Or Hitler and Nero etc could NEVER be accurately categorized as anit_Christ's in the first place.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/14


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People will believe the antichrist and he's a big liar. I'm not sure if that is what 2thessalonians . You need to find out what strong delusion is. We already have strong delusion when mem marry men and women marry women. Another one is everybody's going to heaven. Many people have told me that.
---Shira4368 on 8/8/14


Exactly Gordon. We know the devil, as an angel of light, has always been an imposter doing his "worst" trying to impersonate God of whom he so badly (desperately) wants to be.
---Leon on 8/8/14


Good points. GOD's people do not take a mark. They are give a seal from GOD.


Rev 9:4

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Those who know GOD are his sealed people.


2Timothy 2:19

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/8/14


Interesting Gordon. Those who know the scriptures will know God will never nor has ever required anyone to take a mark of any kind, as taught in the OT "marking" oneself was pagan.
---kathr4453 on 8/8/14


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I believe that the great Lie will be culminated in the person of the Anti-Christ of Revelation 13.

He, I believe, will be Satan's exact imitation of the real JESUS CHRIST (Yahushua).

The A.C. will be so much like JESUS CHRIST that many will fall for this Imposter.

The masses of the Earth are being brainwashed and prepped now, through media, governments, governmentally-funded public schools, and even through music, movies, video games and other entertainment mediums, through drugs, alcohol, false religions, etc.

All are being prepped now, that when the A.C. appears, they will all readily accept the A.C. and his Bestial Mark.
---Gordon on 8/8/14


I believe that Spiritualism where people instead of following the Bible start speaking to the dead.

Many people believe that the dead can guide them though life. All sorts of Psychics abound every where.

A sister false belief is in Astrology which looks to the stars instead of GOD to show you what to do with your life.

What do ya'll think?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/8/14


Keep on keepin on, Leon! :)
---love.jesus on 8/7/14


"Leon, I will try, but it will be difficult. I have a bit of dementia. :)
Something I do like about you a lot, Leon, is that you do have sense of humor. That is rather rare here."
---love.jesus on 8/6/14


Thx Brother Love! I try to stay balanced as possible & mean no one on these blogs any harm. Admittedly, I get a little antcy when I perceive people are intentionally being a bit thick between the ears. I suppose I "might" also resemble that remark occasionally, but I'll never tell! "He who is without sin, let him/[her] cast the first stone." LOL
---Leon on 8/7/14


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Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
--As Nana pointed out, this is just the ungodly, for we know it is not possible to deceive the elect.
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Phi 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:
---micha9344 on 8/7/14


Geraldine,

Romans 1, same thing as Thesalonians:

Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness,"

Romans 1:26_27 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient"

2 Thesalonians 11:11 "... damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

The delusion is only coming on the wicked Geraldine, not unsuspecting children.
---Nana on 8/7/14


Lawrence:

Again and again you keep quoting 2 Corinthians 11:14
"And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

This may explain why people believe delusional things. However, this does not offer any information whatsoever about WHAT kinds of things are delusional - for that, one must look elsewhere.
---StrongAxe on 8/7/14


//Acts 2 v 38 is there in scripture as plain as the nose on your face. Go there n read for yourself.//

Dear Lawrence,
again you give Acts 2:38 and want people to read it. I read it, and what am I suppose to find out? That new believers are now baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Before Jesus, people were baptized in the baptism of John the Baptist. The context is about baptism and the new believers, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the Trinity. You have been send a strong delusion. Agape
---Luke on 8/7/14


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Leon, I will try, but it will be difficult. I have a bit of dementia. :)
Something I do like about you a lot, Leon, is that you do have sense of humor. That is rather rare here.
---love.jesus on 8/6/14


Micha
Nope.
Acts 2 v 38 is there in scripture as plain as the nose on your face. Go there n read for yourself.

Like rapture, no where to be found in scripture. For trinity is Not found in scripture either. Is only manmade theology ideology.

Glory to God & Father, which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 8/6/14


Micha, good thoughts too. Concerning your remark about the mark. It's something received: it's needed to but and sell: those who have taken it will be condemned, so unless the beast or whoever is in charge is a mind reader, it has to be more than symbolic.

Hitler liked marks too....tattooing those he chose to die. It was a mark forced on others. Cain was marked literally. I believe it will be a literal mark people will take showing allegiance and worship of the beast.
---kathr4453 on 8/6/14


Just another thought too on this mark. Revelation say those who sang the song of Moses overcame....I believe is remnant Israel, who also know it is against the laws of Moses to mark your body with tatoo's etc, and know God would never ask or require any such thing against His known will. Hitler purposefully with malice and forethought tattooed the Jews KNOWING it went against everything they believed in. After that, a Jew would NEVER again let another force a tattoo on their body.

But look at the multitudes today, even those who say they are Christians getting tatoo's, as common place.

Just a thought.
---kathr453 on 8/6/14


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"Leon, I was being facetious.

I don't think the mark is anything physical at all. It is somehow allegorical.[?] I could be wrong, but I don't spend any time worrying about it."
---love.jesus on 8/5/14


Love: Please say what you mean & mean what you say. I'm certainly not & don't believe anyone else, who is sincere, is here to play mind games.

"People who are deluded don't know they are deluded or they wouldn't be deluded any more." [Okaaay]
---love.jesus on 8/6/14


Obviously you're talking about people who don't know & don't know they don't know. :)
---Leon on 8/6/14


Most have believed a lie, otherwise you would have known God is running the whole show. People who prefer to love sin and lies rather than gospel truth will receive severe recompense, as do all sinners. God Himself will send judgment that insures their fate in the form of a deluding influence so that they continue to believe what is false. They accept evil as good and a lie as the truth. Thus does God use Satan and antichrist as His instruments (1 Kings 22:19-23). Only One is Ruler of all things, and that Is Almighty God.
What most of you do is you have Satan as God, and God as Satan because you believe in your heart Satan is running the whole show. But He can only do what God permits him to do, for God's will and purpose.
---Luke on 8/6/14


mocha
No. Because Acts 2 v 38 Is right there in scripture, Right in front of your nose. Read it for yourself.

Like rapture is No where to be found, trinity is Not there either.

Glory to Jesus Is God & Father.
---Lawrence on 8/6/14


Micha, Excellent answer on the Mark. That makes more sense than microchips and that sort of thing.
---love.jesus on 8/6/14


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Micha, Lawrence is a Oneness Pentecostal. We won't get very far trying to convince him of anything. His mind is already made up.
---love.jesus on 8/6/14


Lawrence,
Have you ever considered the possibility that whoever fed you your doctrine was 2Cor 11 v14?
---micha9344 on 8/6/14


I believe it is the same lie, that we do not need God to be happy and get more out of life.
Yet, it is God who is the Giver of Life and in His Son is all joy.
Concerning the mark of the beast, consider what Israel was commanded to do:
Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
As opposed to the mark:
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all...to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
In a figurative sense, the hand and the forehead are what you do and think.
Which mark do you have, the Word of God or only what is pleasing in your eyes? Gen 3:6, Jdg 21:25, Pro 21:2
What, or rather, Who is directing your thoughts and actions?
---micha9344 on 8/6/14


Strong delusions because of, 2nd. Cor. 11 v 14 been prevalent many yr's, Manmade theology ideology of trinity doctrines commandments of men, easy believism, once saved always saved, 2nd working of grace, no works salvation other etc. which Are all Lies because of, 2nd. Cor. 11 v 14.
ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
---Lawrence on 8/6/14


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People who are deluded don't know they are deluded or they wouldn't be deluded any more.
---love.jesus on 8/6/14


God filling them with their own delusions that they will believe these lying signs and wonders, based on their own desire to be and a promise To be able to achieve what they believe "a completion" of superiority outside of Christ.

---kathr453 on 8/6/14

Which is what I believe the meaning of 666 means. Ultimate Superior man who has no need for God.
---kathr4453 on 8/6/14


Ok, let's take Hitler. Many believed at the time he was the anti_Christ. Many pieces fit, except for one glaring peace that had not yet come into place....Israel back in the Land.

But looking deeper at Hitler, what was he promoting? Ans: A SUPERIOR NATION, SUPERIOR HUMANS, SUPERIOR MINDS ETC, even to the point of horrible experimentation. And the murdering of those he felt inferior.

Will the anti-Christ promise superiority , or lead people to believe they can achieve a superior god likeness by some sort of experimentation leaving a mark on those who are his followers?
---kathr4453 on 8/6/14


#2
If we look back over the past 15 years of TV and Movies, what are we seeing today? Much of our TV/movies are promoting the supernatural, and people exhibiting extra abilities in strength, power, intellect and other worlds knowledge. many apostate Christian leaders also are promoting we are little gods, with exceptional abilities( translation etc). Or even the belief of aliens giving humans exceptional knowledge.

It's the anti_christ's LIES of deceiving signs and wonders the people believe, God filling them with their own delusions that they will believe these lying signs and wonders, based on their own desire to be and a promise To be able to achieve what they believe "a completion" of superiority outside of Christ.
---kathr453 on 8/6/14


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Satan is running the show, just as he did in the beginning. Is the lie the same lie....you shall be as gods?
---kathr4453 on 8/5/14

I believe so, in part. The other part of that lie told by Satan to Eve in the garden is about God. The other part of the lie is "God is not good and God cannot be trusted".

Forever after the fall, our darkened minds cannot comprehend the goodness of God and the love of God. All we can see is ourselves. Even when God came as one of us, the Anointed Son of God in our midst, we rejected Him, cast our anger and hatred on Him, all the while trying to work our way into heaven.

Yes, I believe the "lie" will be about being equal to God.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/6/14


Leon, I was being facetious.

I don't think the mark is anything physical at all. It is somehow allegorical. I could be wrong, but I don't spend any time worrying about it.
---love.jesus on 8/5/14


"Actually, the Mark of the Beast is your Social Security card. You can't do a whole lot without it."
---love.jesus on 8/5/14


I don't think so Love. The Bible indicates it's more like a tattoo or some sorta implanted, below the skin, device in the right hand or forehead. I suspect the mark would be more like (similar to) a barcode rather than actual numbers.
---Leon on 8/5/14


The strong delusion are to christians who think they are christians, but are not.

Satan has had over two thousand years to infiltrate and divide christiandom up into tens of thousands of denominations each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. Where is the truth when people from different denominations bicker about whose denomination is better - even among the same denomination? Is Christ divided? Where are the miracles that Jesus said that christians can perform greater than He did? Are denominational christians only hearers of the Word?
---Steveng on 8/5/14


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love_jesus:

You said: Actually, the Mark of the Beast is your Social Security card. You can't do a whole lot without it.

The Mark has three characteristics:
1) It is a mark on the forehead or right hand.
2) You cannot buy or sell without it.
3) Rule 2 applies to everyone everywhere.

1) You carry your SSN, or leave it at home. It isn't tattooed or implanted.
2) You can't work without a SSN but it's never needed for purchases.
3) It only applies in the U.S.

So far. the SSN is 0 for 3 as far as being the Mark.
---StrongAxe on 8/5/14


Actually, the Mark of the Beast is your Social Security card. You can't do a whole lot without it.
---love.jesus on 8/5/14


Mark_Eaton #2

To try to finish what I posted last. The delusion in believing the lie I believe also leads many to take the mark, and what the mark represents. I don't believe these will be forced to take the mark. I believe it is willingly taken by many, bringing judgment upon themselves. God cannot Judge anyone if something is forced on them against their will.

"A LIE" to me is something specific. Lies would be a variety of falsehoods. Satan is running the show, just as he did in the beginning. Is the lie the same lie....you shall be as gods?
---kathr4453 on 8/5/14


But on what framework...
---kathr4453 on 8/5/14

Well, my theory is that God will reverse the hardening, remove the veil, or remove the stupor God has placed on the Jews (Rom. 11) during the Tribulation and God will place the strong delusion on the Gentiles who have enjoyed a "freedom" of choice but have not chosen Christ.

I believe we see this in Rom 11:25 that the hardness will continue until the Times of the Gentiles is fulfilled that Jesus discussed in Luke 11:24.

Rom. 11:25 "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mysteryso that you will not be wise in your own estimationthat a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/5/14


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God will not send delusion to His Children and only the saved,repented,who believe in Christ is God's son,and obey the Word of God are His chosen. The Jews were His first chosen but they did not believe or receive that Christ is the son of God and Savior of our souls. God receives all Completed Jews who accept Christ and believe He is the son of God. I think what the lie is that Christ is not the son of God nor does He save our souls,some also believe they still need the Rituals of the Old Testament which is also a lie. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/5/14


Jesus told the Pharisees that they were from their father the devil, father of "the lie" and "man slayer" .
The same lie satan told Eve that she would not surely die.
Today the evangelicals all believe that man does not "really die" so the delusion is extremely wide spread
That lie was instrumental in causing the death of all mankind.
Surely "narrow is the gate"! and few there be that find it ! Finding it means salvation!
Remember only eight people made it through the flood!
---1stcliff on 8/5/14


I can never believe that God will ever cripple the minds of His children to make them sin. Even those who have not accepted Christ are His children, and were not created to use as "toys."
---Geraldine on 8/5/14

Why? The passage is clear. It says specifically "God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false". Sounds like God is directly involved.

If you do not believe what I have explained, what is the delusion sent BY God and what is the false truth that they will believe?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/5/14


Mark_Eaton, Yes I agree. But on what framework (that is, unbelievers have no framework or foundation of who God is to begin with) that they will have no way of knowing what GOD even means much less who He is to discern) so the idea of sending strong delusions would not be necessary in the case of unbelievers to believe someone is a god or even God. In Ancient days and possibly even now (take indigenous tribe who have never seen the outside world, believed blond haired blue eyed people were/are a gods.

The mark 666 represents something. It mean MAN in all it's delusional glory, strength, knowledge and power believing himself to be like God. "6" never represents the Real God.
---kathr4453 on 8/5/14


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Yes Mark, CONTEXT IS MOST IMPORTANT! It's dangerously confusing to read Scripture in a wooden, literal sense & thereby isolate & force wrong meanings upon passages. Apart from reading the Bible in right context to the whole, souls can become delusional (having a false belief or opinion) about God's Truth.
---Leon on 8/5/14


It is commonly believed that the "strong delusion" is a FUTURE event (in ETERNITY, there is NO SUCH THING as FUTURE).

In Ezekiel 14, God is telling Ezekiel not to rebuke, reproach, or chastise the worshipers who have taken the earthly kingdoms of greed, pride, etc. into their hearts and minds ("into their HEARTS").

God goes on to say "I will answer them MYSELF"....

....(and He does this with ALL wickedly wicked deception).

This TOTAL and utterly "WICKED" deception is such that all the dogmatic 'book scholars' (the insincere) will believe a lie.

Take God worship seriously, He has done so much for humanity (and people return His love by being BOOK PEOPLE?).
---faithforfaith on 8/5/14


Some of those in the Acts Church of The Living God, messing around with that, that is Not His. Such as, worldly pleasures, manmade doctrines n commandments of men trinity ideology, theology relig org's churches, worshiping other diff gods etc, the agnostics, sexual perversions, atheist etc. As like these, some of God's own, they will be turned over because they disobeyed God.
---Lawrence on 8/5/14


Kat: Though it's the same old lie (i.e., God is wrong ~ Satan is right), the audience is vastly different:

1. Eve was an innocent before she sinned. She was deceived/tricked because she was plain & simply naive (inexperienced & gullible).

2. The souls spoken of in 2 Thes.11 are sin sick, unregenerated people who have chosen to believe & adhere to to the devil's lies rather than God's Truth.
---Leon on 8/5/14


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Mark Eaton, I can never believe that God will ever cripple the minds of His children to make them sin. Even those who have not accepted Christ are His children, and were not created to use as "toys."
---Geraldine on 8/5/14


No, it's a different lie.

It's the pre-mill pre trib rapture that's the lie.

"Once saved always saved, and I'm going up in the rapture before the tribulation. Fixed for time and eternity. I've got peace and safety."

Think about it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/14


Context is always important. The verses involving the phrase "strong delusion" are:

2 Thes. 2:10-12 "and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness"

The passage indicates that those people who did not accept the free gift of salvation will be deluded so that may be judged by God during the Tribulation.

I believe God will send the deluding influence so that they will believe the Beast is God and worship the Beast.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/5/14


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