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Sayings some say that are Biblical which are not Bible. Like, cleanliness is next to Godliness.
What are some others.

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BTW, Warwick, notice that when I pointed out what the Bible actually says about how the Sabbath is to be observed, you call it nitpicking.

Says more about you than about me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/24/14


Too many of you are assuming that to obey the seventh day rules, one has to obey it as was listed in the OT.

God has already shown one disciple that one OT rule did NOT have to be obeyed (the sheet with the unclean animals).

You are, however, assuming all the other laws must be followed now - I doubt that. The moral behind the law yes, but not always the literal law
---Peter on 8/24/14


\\I think you are taking a Pharisaic view of the Sabbath. In this nit-picking view I could go to church by any electric powered vehicle, but can you imagine Jesus condemning anyone who drove their car to come and worship Him!\\

The Sabbath commandment is NOT about worship. It's about rest from labor.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/24/14


jerry6593:

Romans 14:5
"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

Colossians 2:16,
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"

These can't just be holiday sabbaths - if so, they would already be included in "holyday".

Those who worship on Sunday are fine according to Romans 14:5. This was fine for Paul. Why isn't it enough for you?


Samuelbb7:

Why are you flexible with interpretations of scriptures you don't like, while being adamant about ones you do?
---StrongAxe on 8/24/14


Warwick, it is not nitpicking. It is turning their argument of sabbath observance back on those who condemn others for their version of the sabbath.

They use it to judge, but are not observing it as it once was. Do you realize there were many factions of judaism that had different standards of true observance. So which one is right? Is it right to condemn us now for not 'observing' sabbath as the sda and other modern sabbatiers do?
---aka on 8/24/14




Cluny, is that which you write consistent with Jesus' attitude to the Sabbath? You know it isn't as He who instituted the Sabbath worked on the Sabbath e.g. He healed.

I think you are taking a Pharisaic view of the Sabbath. In this nit-picking view I could go to church by any electric powered vehicle, but can you imagine Jesus condemning anyone who drove their car to come and worship Him!
---Warwick on 8/24/14


I am a Christian. Christians follow the teaching and example of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus who created the world and then created the Sabbath day as a memorial of that event to distinguish Himself as the one true God. It was Jesus who re-educated the Hebrew slaves and their gentile companions about the true Sabbath by the lesson of the manna. It was Jesus who wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger. It was Jesus who customarily kept the Sabbath - even in death - as an example to us.

Who do you follow when you keep Sunday as a day of rest?
If the day you keep doesn't matter to you, why not keep the one Jesus instituted and commanded us to keep holy? Do you also disregard His other Commandments?




---jerry6593 on 8/24/14


The word Travel is not in the King James Bible in regard to the Sabbath. You are confusing a Jewish tradition with scripture.

The word Kindle means to start a fire. Which is the days of the Bible was quite a process. So Jews kept fires going all Sabbath long at certain times.

But we have here people straining a gnat to spread lies toward people who wish to spend the time with GOD he told us too.

Why is it wrong for us to do what GOD says? In fact you are judging us on how we keep the Sabbath which the New Testament forbids. Colossians 2:16.

Did not JESUS say to do good on Sabbath which could include going to help people?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/24/14


\\BTW why should not SDA's drive cars to church on the Sabbath?\\

Because the OT forbids the lighting of fires on the Sabbath. How do you think the internal combustion engine works?

And if, in the days before automobiles, they drove their horse-drawn conveyances to church, they STILL violated the Sabbath, because the very commandment they appeal to requires that working animals rest that day.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/14


Warwick:

If you obey what the books of Moses actually say about HOW to observe the sabbath, they forbid any work, travel (so driving is out), lighting fires (so cooking is out). Also, any use of electricity is out (since flipping a light switch causes a spark - i.e. creates fire). For the same reason, use of any internal combustion engine is also out (cars, motorcycles, lawn mower, etc.)

So, driving to church on the Sabbath violates this in several different ways. Just how observant ARE you?
---StrongAxe on 8/23/14




The real question, for Christians, is HOW MUCH we need to follow the exact days and observe them (either the Sabbath or the day of resurrection) in these days?
---Peter on 8/23/14


Cluny, as the Decalogue says "the seventh day is a Sabbath TO the Lord your God" making it more than just a day of rest, but a day set aside for God. Therefore it is a day when believers remember that God is Creator, who made everything there is in six days and rested the seventh, so His followers would do the same. As Leviticus 23:3 says the seventh day "a day of sacred assembly."

Is it so strange that Christians would, and should especially worship God on the Sabbath, when their minds are not concentrating upon their toil?

BTW why should not SDA's drive cars to church on the Sabbath? May they also unlock the door, and turn on the lights? Did not Jesus, instigator of the Sabbath, heal on that day?
---Warwick on 8/23/14


jerry6593:

As I pointed out in my previous message, Sabbath and Sunday are not related to each other. So what? The Sabbath is the day of rest. That has nothing to do with worship.

Look at evidence of the Ten Commandments (which were ultimately derived from the Two that Jesus said were most important) in the New Testament. There are repeated warnings against murder, theft, adultery, false witness, covetousness, idolatry, etc. But guess what. There is NOT A SINGLE INSTANCE where Jesus or any of the Apostles commanded Sabbath observance, let alone Sabbath worship. what can we conclude from this?
---StrongAxe on 8/23/14


\\Observance of the true Sabbath day is one of the Ten Commandments, and like the fruits of the spirit, obedience to the Commandments shows evidence of the faith by which we are saved.\\

Nowhere does the Decalogue command WORSHIP on Saturday (as opposed to other days), but only rest from labor, which applies to ones slaves and farm animals.

And I noticed you never answered my question about whether SDAs drive their cars to church on Saturday.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/14


Jerry...that is consistent with what you all have been saying and it is most appreciated. ..but my savior and your savior is different.

Warwick...I do try to keep it light. Dry humor (not sarcasm) is difficult in the cyber world. (Plus, I do not like smiley Joes : -)

All I am trying to establish is that Saturday from 12 to 11.59 is not the Sabbath according to the father. So Saturday is incorrectly called sabbath and saturday sabbath observers are in violation of God's law if they do not start observing sabbath on friday night.

Plus...is posting on the Internet (as some sabbatiers do) rest according to god? But it is not for me to judge.
---aka on 8/23/14


Aka, I have just read what you wrote on 20/08. Maybe you are just having a bit of fun? If not you miss the point. As you know the Sabbath was initiated by God at a time when Saturday began at evening on Friday, and finished at evening Saturday. And this is still so in the Middle East today. So no matter what you wish to call this the Sabbath begins Friday at evening and finishes Saturday at evening.
---Warwick on 8/23/14


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aka: You have correctly observed that the authentic biblical Sabbath day falls partly on Friday night and partly during the daylight hours of Saturday. Since most of us are not awake on Friday nights, we most commonly observe Sabbath during the Saturday part.

But by now you and the Axster should have logically reasoned that NO part of Sunday falls within the boundaries of the Sabbath, and Sunday is thus a spurious sabbath.

Salvation is by faith through grace. It is the gift of God, and God alone is the judge of our salvation. Observance of the true Sabbath day is one of the Ten Commandments, and like the fruits of the spirit, obedience to the Commandments shows evidence of the faith by which we are saved.


---jerry6593 on 8/23/14


warwick, i am not assuming anything. no even though no sda will say it, sdas, like francis and samuel, over the years have indicated that salvation is in the observance of the ten commandments.

jed, if someone asks you if you would like to go to dinner on friday evening, does that mean saturday? jed, i don't assume anything. our modern week defines that one day is from 12a to 11:59. the sabbath by god's definition (see my earlier posts) is on our frid eve and sat morn. sat eve is not sabbath. so, saturday is NOT fully sabbath.
---aka on 8/22/14


Aka, I think you are assuming that observance of the Sabbath is a salvation issue for SDA's. It may be for some but I have never met one who said so.

I believe it is in reality an obedience issue and not a salvation issue. Maybe Jerry can comment.
---Warwick on 8/21/14


jerry6593:

You said: Thanks for proving that Sunday is a counterfeit.

Perhaps you need a refresher course in elementary logic. Providing a technically precise definition of what "Sabbath" means has absolutely no bearing on what "Sunday" means. Sunday is just as real as Wednesday or Monday.

If you are talking about "Should abstain from work on Sunday vs. the Sabbath?", that is a totally unrelated question, as is "Should we worship on the Sabbath vs. Sunday?". The Old Testament mandates rest on the Sabbath, not worship. The early church met on the FIRST day (Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2).
---StrongAxe on 8/21/14


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well, jed as basic as it is, Saturday is what people call the sabbath. it is not. observance of sabbath should begin Friday night.
---aka on 8/21/14


People are correct to say that Saturday is the Sabbath. You are also correct that the observance begins on Friday night. This is only contradictory if you assume that days begin and end at midnight. According to the Bible, they begin and end at sunset. This is true for all days, not just the Sabbath. Saturday actually begins at sunset on Friday night and ends at sunset on Saturday night. When sunset arrives on Friday it is no longer Friday, it is now Saturday. So to say that the Saturday is the Sabbath is correct, if you are going by the biblical definition of a day.
---Jed on 8/21/14


jerry, do members of the SDA drive their cars to services?

Please let me know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/21/14


well, jed as basic as it is, Saturday is what people call the sabbath. it is not. observance of sabbath should begin Friday night.

jerry, if you do not observe sabbath EXACTLY as you should, your sabbath is a fraud too.

question: do you start when the sun is 7 degrees below the sunset on friday or when you observe the first three stars on friday eve? there is more. how do you determine sunset. if you do not get this perfect, then don't criticize others for what they deem as Sabbath.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

they are just a shadow of things to come.
---aka on 8/21/14


The Sabbath begins at sunset Friday night and lasts till sunset on Saturday night. Everyone should know that! That's one of the most basic things.
---Jed on 8/21/14


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aka: "Therefore, Saturday is not Sabbath."

Right! Friday night plus Saturday day is the one, only, true, holy Sabbath day!

Thanks for proving that Sunday is a counterfeit.



---jerry6593 on 8/21/14


\\The seventh day is the Sabbath. Check your dictionary to find out which day that is.\\

There are more days than the seventh that are called "Sabbath" in the Bible. Check it to find out which ones.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/20/14


aka: The seventh day is the Sabbath.

agreed... let's look at God's day (generally from sundown to sundown) v. modern day (specifically from 12:00:00 a.m. to 11:59:59 p.m.)

Day 1 Saturday sundown-Sunday sundown (Gen 1:5)
Day 2 Sunday sundown-Monday sundown (Gen 1:8)
Day 3 Monday sundown-Tuesday sundown (Gen 1:13)
Day 4 Tuesday sundown-Wednesday sundown (Gen 1:19)
Day 5 Wednesday sundown-Thursday sundown (Gen 1:23)
Day 6 Thursday sundown-Friday sundown (Gen 1:23)
Day 7 Friday sundown-Saturday sundown (Gen 2:2)

So, the Lord rested (Sabbath) from the modern Friday eve to Saturday eve. Our modern Saturday is from 12a to 11:59p, which is not what God's 7th day is.

Therefore, Saturday is not Sabbath.
---aka on 8/20/14


Cluny: "Since the Resurrection of Christ, which day is NOT sacred?"

The Bible records that only one day was ever made holy. That day is the seventh-day Sabbath. Besides, baptism was given as a memorial of the resurrection - not a new Sabbath.



aka: The seventh day is the Sabbath. Check your dictionary to find out which day that is.



---jerry6593 on 8/20/14


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\\saturday is sabbath.
---aka on 8/19/14\\

While many Indo-European languages have some cognate of "Sabbath" as the day called "Saturday" in English, the Hebrew word itself simply means "cessation" or "stop work."

There were other days in the OT called "sabbaths", and only the most stringent Sabbatarian groups observe them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/14


saturday is sabbath.
---aka on 8/19/14


\\Sunday Sacredness, or that Sunday is the Lord's Day.\\

Since the Resurrection of Christ, which day is NOT sacred?

On which day may we do as our hearts desire and live to our own pleasure?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/14


Sunday Sacredness, or that Sunday is the Lord's Day.



---jerry6593 on 8/18/14


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\\Just you saying that the scripture repudiates that scripture is the final authority in all spiritual matters does not mean anything. You would have to use scripture to show you are correct and show how these scriptures do not mean what they say.\\

I don't know how the KJV renders this verse, but even the OT says, "You shall obey these precepts as taught by the wise," not as you interpret them for yourself.

The Ethiopian Eunuch when asked if he understood what he was reading replied, "How can I, unless someone shows me?"

There are many others.

NOWHERE does the Bible say, "Let scripture interpret scripture." That's a tradition and precept of men.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/14


Cluny:

I said: Sola scriptura really means, Scripture interprets Scripture. And since Scripture is authoritative and all other is non-authoritative, Scripture then interprets itself.

You said: Actually, Scripture itself repudiates that idea

I only said what it literally meant. I didn't say that scripture supports it (which, in retrospect, makes it yet another phrase or concept that isn't in the Bible).
---StrongAxe on 8/17/14


The Holy written Word of God supersedes anything your priest, or any man, THINKS God is speaking to him. It also supersedes any religious mad-made traditions, such as those expressed by Cluny. Human beings are just that... human. We (and when I say we I mean human beings, Cluny) are subject to emotions, which can lead to delusions. If someone THINKS God is speaking to him, but the message contradicts the inerrant written Word of God, then what he 'prophesies' is NOT from God.
---Jed on 8/17/14


Dear Cluny

Just you saying that the scripture repudiates that scripture is the final authority in all spiritual matters does not mean anything. You would have to use scripture to show you are correct and show how these scriptures do not mean what they say.

Isaiah 8:20

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

You can also read Psalm 119.


Deuternomy 18:20

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

See also Matthew 4:4, ICor.1:9
Matthew 15:9, Colossians 2:8
---Samuelbb7 on 8/17/14


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\\Sola scriptura really means,
Scripture interprets Scripture. And since Scripture is authoritative and all other is non-authoritative, Scripture then interprets itself.\\

Actually, Scripture itself repudiates that idea.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/14


Luke:

You said: Sola scriptura really means,
Scripture interprets Scripture. And since Scripture is authoritative and all other is non-authoritative, Scripture then interprets itself.


Actually, sola scriptura literally means by scripture alone, i.e. scripture alone is the authority for determining Christian behavior.

The phrase scripture interprets scripture is very good to mention on this blog, however, because it is one of those things many Christians take for granted, but it does not actually occur anywhere in scripture itself.
---StrongAxe on 8/17/14


//This is precedent for scriptura (i.e. all scripture is authoritative), but is NOT precedent for sola scriptura (i.e. that, plus all non-scripture is non-authoritative).//

Sola scriptura really means,
Scripture interprets Scripture. And since Scripture is authoritative and all other is non-authoritative, Scripture then interprets itself.
---Luke on 8/17/14


jerry6593:

love_jesus said: I don't think there are any scripture passages supporting sola scriptura.

You said: How about: Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

This is precedent for scriptura (i.e. all scripture is authoritative), but is NOT precedent for sola scriptura (i.e. that, plus all non-scripture is non-authoritative).
---StrongAxe on 8/16/14


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love: "I don't think there are any scripture passages supporting sola scriptura."

How about:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.


---jerry6593 on 8/16/14


"My guardian angel"
---michael_e on 8/15/14


"God hates divorce."

where is this in the Bible?
---aka on 8/15/14


I picked up somewhere in my omnivorous reading

logovorous reading
---aka on 8/13/14


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1. Some claim "being slain in the spirit is from God".

2. Some Pentecostals claim speaking in tongues (ecstatic babble) is "THE proof that one is saved or filled with the Spirit".
---Leon on 8/13/14


immortal soul.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/13/14


"the Apostle Peter was the first pope"
---michael_e on 8/13/14


\\Like, cleanliness is next to Godliness.'\\

I picked up somewhere in my omnivorous reading that the saying originates in the Talmud.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/13/14


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'Sayings some say that are Biblical which are not Bible. Like, cleanliness is next to Godliness.'

I can't see where the cleanliness phrase was taken to be Biblical. It is not - if you like the cleanliness comment,fine. But where Diane got the idea that it is 'Biblical' I have no idea
---Peter on 8/12/14


Cluny:

"\\God does the same thing yesterday, today, and forever\\

That's not what the Bible says."

While it is true that God does new things, His Character never changes.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


---jerry6593 on 8/12/14


//That's not what the Bible says.//
The thread:
"Sayings SOME say that are Biblical which are NOT Bible"
" God does the same thing yesterday, today, and forever"
Try reading before you write
---michael_e on 8/12/14


\\God does the same thing yesterday, today, and forever\\

That's not what the Bible says.

Isaiah 43:19
Jeremiah 31:22

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/11/14


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God does the same thing yesterday, today, and forever
---michael_e on 8/11/14


\\Only the Bible,is the Authority we should follow.\\

Where does the Bible say that? Give BCV, please.

St. Paul said, "Follow me, even as I follow Christ".

Jesus Himself said more than once, "Follow Me."

Neither of them ever said, "Follow the Bible."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/11/14


aka:

You mentioned: To thine ownself be true. (Shakespeare. sounds good...but a bit humanistic)

While this is not biblical as such, it ties in with biblical teaching. To paraphrase something Jesus said, how can you possibly be honest with God (whom you have not seen) if you aren't even honest with yourself (whom you know intimately)?
---StrongAxe on 8/10/14


Any rules for Christian living and serving God that are given by Denominations and are not the Bible show no substance of God's Holiness to me. Only the Bible,is the Authority we should follow. Denominations may teach things which contribute to Christian Living which is good if it lines up with the Word of God but it in no way is equal or above the Bible. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/10/14


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Cluny, I don't think there are any scripture passages supporting sola scriptura.
---love.jesus on 8/10/14


\\BCV, please.
---Jed on 8/9/14
\\

I never said their names were in the Bible. I said they had come down through a unanimous tradition of the Pre-reformation Churches.

Now YOU give me BCV that supports sola scriptura, a rule Orthodoxy has never claimed to play by.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/14



The names of the three (count 'em--3) magi are Melchior (European), Balthazar (African), and Caspar (various spelling, an Asian).

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 8/9/14


BCV, please.
---Jed on 8/9/14


Love-Jesus, my mother had one similar to yours. When I tried witnessing to her she said "There are many roads leading to the top of the mountain but the view from the top is the same."

People who do not wish to feel any conviction of sin have an array of 'sweet phrases' aimed at making everyone feel lovely and that we will all end up in the same place.
---Rita_H on 8/10/14


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More often it is stated, "There are many paths to God."
---love.jesus on 8/9/14


Another saying that is not true is, "All roads lead to heaven"
---wivv on 8/9/14


\\Well, thank God for the Reformation to dispel such myths, and many more like it!
---Jed on 8/9/14
\\

But the Reformation did NOT dispel this information, so you're wrong again, Jed.

The names of the three (count 'em--3) magi are Melchior (European), Balthazar (African), and Caspar (various spelling, an Asian).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/14


\\The Three Wisemen (assumption)\\

All the Pre-Reformation churches say there were three. Their names have even come down through tradition.


Well, thank God for the Reformation to dispel such myths, and many more like it!
---Jed on 8/9/14


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\\The Three Wisemen (assumption)\\

All the Pre-Reformation churches say there were three. Their names have even come down through tradition.

||The Seven Deadly Sins|\

All sins will fall into one of these 7 categories.

**-God works in mysterious ways.**

This is a misquote from a hymn by Isaac Watts, which should read, "God moves in a mysterious way/His wonders to perform."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/8/14


yep, warwick,

as asked, there are some sayings that are biblically based, but some are not even biblical:

-The Three Wisemen (assumption)

-Wedding Vows (jesus said not to make vows or promises...in fact, I was married recently. I told my wife what i will do and not what i promise to do.)

-The Seven Deadly Sins (all sin is deadly...there is no categorization to God.)

-To thine ownself be true. (Shakespeare. sounds good...but a bit humanistic)

-God helps those who help themselves (not true if they are sinning to help themselves and humanistic too)

-Cleanliness is next to godliness (???)

-God works in mysterious ways. (God works in absolute ways. humans are mysterious and stupid)
---aka on 8/8/14


Aka, I had a look at the sayings you quoted and as I see it quite a few are distillations or dictums drawn from Scripture, and in accord with it. That the very words are not, in that form in Scripture, does not suggest the meaning is not there.

And we are called to be people of moderate habits. We are to be gentle, temperate, not radical, self disciplined. All these words and more are synonyms of moderate.

Also do unto others is expressed clearly in Matthew 7:12 "So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them,..."
---Warwick on 8/8/14


Cliff. The question was about sayings in general no what you personally believe.
---aka on 8/7/14


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The soul is immortal is not biblical !
Sheol/Hades is hot..NO
God will torture humans..No
One goes to heaven or hell (fire) at death....No
Sunday is the Sabbath...No
Christians must tithe...No
many more !
---1stcliff on 8/7/14


"When God closes a door, He opens a window"

"A broken bone is a sign of rebellion"
---Jed on 8/7/14


-The Three Wisemen
-The Sinners Prayer
-Wedding Vows
-The Seven Deadly Sins

Sayings

-The lion shall lay down with the lamb.
-Moderation in all things.
-Once saved, always saved.
-Better to cast your seed
-Spare the rod, spoil the child.
-To thine ownself be true.
-Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
-God helps those who help themselves.
-Money is the root of all evil.
-Cleanliness is next to godliness.
-This too shall pass.
-God works in mysterious ways.
-The eye is the window to the soul.

-Pride comes before the fall.

from blb
---aka on 8/7/14


"Non-believers will burn forever in hell."
---love.jesus on 8/7/14


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Spare the rod and spoil the child is another non-Biblical saying.

Oddly enough many people think it is.

Another non-Biblical doctrine is oneness theology, which was condemned at the end of the 200's under the name Sabellian Modalism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/14


God works in mysterious ways, if God
don't mind I don't mind, it's ok God knows me.
As far as doctrinal which Are ficticious, easy believism, trinity, once saved always saved, 2nd working of grace, purgatory, no works salvation, other etc.

Glory to God & Father which Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 8/7/14


God helps those who help themselves.
---Press_On on 8/7/14


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