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According to the Bible, how should civilized society deal with barbaric bullies?

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 ---Leon on 8/8/14
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"Let everyone be subject to...the governing authorities..there's no authority except that which God has established.... Consequently, whoever rebels against [it rebels] against...God... & bring...judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for...[the righteous], but for [wrongdoers]. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what's right...the one in authority is God's servant for your good...if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers don't bear the sword for [nothing]. They're God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment [upon] wrongdoer. [So], it's necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience..." (Ro. 13:1-5, NIV)
---Leon on 8/18/14


NEWSFLASH: Brown shot 6 times, twice in the head. WOW, for someone with no gun NOT shooting back. You might see something like that in Gangsta movies, but the other guy is shooting back, and usually more than one policeman is shooting. WOW!

Ok so one version is self defense???? How may times did Zimmerman shoot Martin in self defense? 6? How many times did Zimmerman shoot Martin in the head? WOW! If it were self defense, ONE SHOT to the head would have been more than enough at close range inches away.
---kathr4453 on 8/18/14


We also have video evidence of looting and some of the looters are very identifiable. According to the bible , what should we do with these bullies?

---aka on 8/17/14


Considering we don't live in the "STONE AGE" ((ha ha pun intended)).......we have today what is called "due process".
---kathr453 on 8/18/14


"Kathr, Brown was an 18 year old man. Why do you keep condescendingly calling him a kid? He was a full grown adult."
---Jed on 8/17/14


Regardless of Brown's age, did that warrant his being shot down in the street like an aggressive dog? Certainly, if he was trying to attack & render bodily harm to the cop, I'd agree the officer would've had sufficient grounds to defend himself even to the point of using deadly force. BUT, the FACT of the matter is Brown was trying to flee, then surrendered & ultimately was point blank executed by Wilson.

To argue Brown's age is a moot (meaningless) point in light of what happened between a heavily armed police officer & an unarmed, "18 year old citizen".
---Leon on 8/18/14


//...video was also taken by someone...//

Cool. Now that we have some evidence, Romans 13 is my biblical answer to bullies such as the cop. let's proceed with the criminal justice process.

We also have video evidence of looting and some of the looters are very identifiable. According to the bible , what should we do with these bullies?
---aka on 8/17/14




Kathr, Brown was an 18 year old man. Why do you keep condescendingly calling him a kid? He was a full grown adult.
---Jed on 8/17/14


Strongaxe, brown was running away when he was shot at, who stopped and turned around with his hands up.
Definitely NOT at the car supposedly shooting a bullet into the seat of the car. Also the policeman had no prior knowledge to any robbery, stated from the police chiefs mouth, but was telling them to get off the street.

A video was also taken by someone from a second story building who got it all on tape that the policeman jumped out of his car trying to drag the kid in the car FOR SMARTING OFF , and the kid STRUGGLED TO GET FREE AND RAN. The policeman knew right then he had NO weapon.
What idiot cop would try to singlehandedly physically apprehend anyone without another policeman there.
---kathr4453 on 8/17/14


I live in a city where crime is high, and senseless murders take place of citizens just taking a walk in their Atlanta neighborhoods. And yes the majority are black kids targeting white families who,have moved back into the city. Even with that, we have white children mass murdering schools etc. I can understand that the job of police today is a totally different ball game. BUT it still does not EXCUSE anyone being gunned down. This unarmed kid was GUNNED DOWN. AND his friend with him was not even questioned by police. Hummmmmmm that does not look good for Ferguson PD either.

EVERYONE is out of control If police can't control their tempers, they should find another vocation. Or get tasers who can knock out someone 50 feet away.
---kathr453 on 8/17/14


Thank you ladies (Kat & Darlene) for your level-headed objectivity. :)
---Leon on 8/17/14


//Maybe we can resume talking one day when you've grown up.//

Leon, if that is your requirement, do not hold your breathe. Jesus requires child-likeness.

However, it would be cool someday if your passive-aggressive, misogynistic, and racial tendencies subside.
---aka on 8/17/14




Hi Darlene1, yes he got a description but at that time did not see the tape, as that would have taken too long. Point I was making is, going by a description, height, weight, hat color, etc could have been anyone with that description, since a police sketch artist wasn't there drawing the picture of the kid. So we know by a general description, which looks like many, especially how he was dressed, was not out of the the ordinary for kids these days, and was not positively ID even by the store clerk at that time. Even if he had been positively ID'd as the robber, the policeman acted foolishly in trying to physically apprehend him, and his friend with him, ALONE, or even getting out of his car until back up arrived. It just DOESN'T add up.
---kathr4453 on 8/17/14


kathr4453:

You said: The FACTS are the policeman murdered an unarmed man after he raises his hands and surrendered. PERIOD.

No. The FACTS are the policeman KILLED an unarmed man. Some witnesses say he raised his hands and surrendered. Others said he beat the policeman, who drew his weapon in self defense.

Unless you are God and personally know which of these versions is true, you CANNOT judge whether this is murder or not. PERIOD. Jesus told us not to judge. We are not God.

Police simply cannot go around murdering people and make themselves judge jury end executioner all at once.

True. This is why we leave such judgments to the courts, and NOT partially informed people chatting on the internet.
---StrongAxe on 8/17/14


Kathr 4453 Just for information sake I read the Police did have the description of the robber,they had received a call and were heading to the robbery site due to that. I must tell you in most cases the Police don't get sent up at all they may get suspended or removed from the force but seldom more than that. There is a Good Ole Boy bond an example when I was in College with some Policemen's wives I learned if a policeman's family from another city got a ticket,out of respect for the Policeman,the ticket was dismissed. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/17/14


The FACTS are the policeman murdered an unarmed man after he raises his hands and surrendered. PERIOD. It does not matter what went on before.
This is undisputed FACT that will probably send the policeman away for a very LONG time. We all need to be concerned with this outcome, black or white. The policeman AT THAT TIME, had NO PROOF, this young man did the robbing. AND the release of the video footage does not change THAT FACT.

Police simply cannot go around murdering people and make themselves judge jury end executioner all at once.

I don't believe he grabbed his gun, and witnesses who saw this whole thing say he did not.

BUT even of that did happen, he murdered an unarmed man AFTER he surrendered.
---kathr4453 on 8/17/14


Hey bud! I recently delt with a bully at school and I know what your going through! Don't listen to whoever this Leon person is, he doesn't even care about your situation, I suggest talking to your school counselor or your boss or of it gets serious, the police. Make sure they are blocked from all of your social network profiles!
---Avery on 8/17/14


Sorry aka. You & I have nothing further to talk about. Your level of maturity is a serious waste of my time. Maybe we can resume talking one day when you've grown up.
---Leon on 8/16/14


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//aka: Obviously, you're having a mental meltdown & can't reason objectively on this subject//

leon, it is funny. talk about bullying. since you have been posting, i have read you as very emotional, swinging from one side or the other and insulting those that don't agree with you. this situation is no different.

very few people can be objective in this situation because the waters are being muddied by both sides. i simply do not have an opinion here because the only things i may know are not first hand.

but, let's discuss looting? that i can objectively speak on and you brought up bullying. how should civilized society deal with barbaric bullies that loot innocent bystanders? (it's is in their own neighborhoods...btw)
---aka on 8/16/14


Well, okay guys! I guess the dirty details of this new national drama will come out in the wash one day. Thanks.
---Leon on 8/16/14


Leon:

You said: The officer should (by all means) be afforded his Constitutional rights to a trial by a jury of his peers even though "unarmed" Michael Brown was summarily denied due process of law when he was shot dead in the street.

Unfortunately, in "shoot or die" situations, "jury" is not a third available option. One must act, and have such actions judged after the fact. (I am not saying that this was necessarily a self-defense situation - this again is a determination that must be made by a jury).

Cluny may have merely been playing "devil's advocate". As most public opinion believes Brown was unjustly attacked, new evidence suggests this may not have been the case.
---StrongAxe on 8/16/14


\\Cluny: You suggested we all be quiet until we know the facts, but you, & a few others, seem to think it's a fact that was Mike Brown in the video when it hasn't been conclusively established it was him.\\

Yes, it has been definitely established that Michael Brown was the person in the video.

I never said that stealing cigars was not a capital crime, but in your first posting on this matter, you imply that the policeman was a bully who should be punished, though you don't have all the facts yet.

So who is also talking about of both sides of his mouth?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/16/14


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aka: Obviously, you're having a mental meltdown & can't reason objectively on this subject. In all you've said, you not once mentioned an "unarmed" human being was shot dead. Is that okay with you???

Whether or not Brown was or wasn't a thief is a separate, unrelated issue. Even the Ferguson police chief said as much. What's really at issue here is, for whatever crime Brown may have committed, he deserved not to shot down in the street like a dog. We do yet have a little something called due process of law in this country & Mike Brown was severely denied it.

How's it you know this is just an opportunity for looting? Really?! That's nonfactual, stinkin' thinkin' aka & shows the condition of your heart.
---Leon on 8/16/14


Very good point Sister Darlene. I remember, back in the '70s, being on military active duty in North Texas. There was a "black" cop up there who had a reputation for violently targeting (BULLYING) & occasionally killing black people. He was an absolute terror in the black community. I don't know if you ever saw the movie Boys in the Hood, but there was a black cop in it who was just like that ~ pure evil.

You're right, a bully's m.o. is to demean others & in the process that makes him/her feel powerful. Insanely twisted!

Yes, by all means we should pray a hedge of protection around our communities because the devil's agenda is to steal, kill & destroy lives (black, white, etc.).
---Leon on 8/16/14


leon,

(the "alleged cigar bandit bully")...

was allegedly killed by an officer.

in his bullying attempt, (whether cigars, gum, Snapple, juju bees, pork rinds, money), he failed.

i wonder what the victim/perpetrator would have had to be stealing for it to become not OK?

if only the cop wasn't so mad, he would have known that the victim/perpetrator was taking swisher sweets instead of the cop's favorite cigars.

we all know that is an opportunistic event to act like a bully. look at all the looting. is that not bullying? is that bullying behavior justified?

in the spirit of the blog question, how should civilized society deal with barbaric bullies?
---aka on 8/16/14


Thanks Darlene cont'd -- I believe there are predators (bullies) who are hired in police departments across the land. Perhaps more stringent background checks would help identify such people aren't fit to nor should be allowed to be cops. Such people may have war related mental issues. They may have cultural/ethnic related conflict issue, etc. I believe such people are loose cannons ready to blowup at any moment, in any given situation that triggers their anti-social racially bad behavior.

Because of the awesome stress & responsibility facing cops, I believe they must be held to a higher scrutiny. Maybe ol' Barn in Mayberry doesn't have to be as closely watched as Dirty Harry in Missouri... :)
---Leon on 8/16/14


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'Axe: I simple pointed out to Cluny that in his comments he had obviously spoken out of both sides of his mouth, i.e., one side said we should be silent until the facts were in, but the other side was accusatory & rationalized Brown as physically attacking the officer in an attempt to "steal" his gun. Huh?! :)

Once more, I agree with you. The officer should (by all means) be afforded his Constitutional rights to a trial by a jury of his peers even though "unarmed" Michael Brown was summarily denied due process of law when he was shot dead in the street.
---Leon on 8/16/14


I just want to remind y'all that those same policemen if they are bullies they also bully young white men too. I know that because it happened to someone in my own relatives. A teenage,good boy,who didn't do bad things but was picked on too. Because of the illegal aliens from Mexico legal residents have been checked and treated as if they were illegal too until they could prove differently. If Bullies,they will always find someone to pick on because that is what makes them feel big,powerful and more important than other people. I think what we need is more Christians praying about bringing peace to all areas of America where people are no longer judged before they are even known. Satan is the author of confusion and prayer fights him. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/16/14


Thanks Darlene for your input. :) That's indeed a very sad, heartrending story. Unfortunately, it's one that happens (as I'm sure you know) more n more (quite often) in today's America.

I think it takes a special kind of person to be an effective "peace officer" (policeman). I laud the courageous men & women cops who, without bullying, "protect & serve" us all. I had family members who were cops. I'm proud to have two friends who are cops. It's not the kind of job a great many people can successfully perform without their rationale judgment being clouded due to being overcome by stress.
---Leon on 8/16/14


Leon:

You said: ...since he did shoot & killed an unarmed, surrendered ("HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT") citizen...

Not established. Another version says he beat up the cop, and tried to take his gun when he tried to defend himself.

I believe it was the unarmed person who was murdered.

You BELIEVE this, yet criticize Cluny for BELIEVING differently. We don't have "trial by media", but rather courtroom trials based on carefully-considered rules of evidence and legal procedures. A judge and jury, with all the evidence, will be in a much better position to judge than you or I will. Why not wait and let them do their jobs, instead of jumping the gun, playing God, and doing it for them?
---StrongAxe on 8/16/14


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Leon hello Brother,I think the police have become so fearful of being killed themselves that some of that fear clouds their judgement during stress. I don't know about what happened to Brown so I won't guess about his case. I do know about the young man killed by a policeman in another State,you see his aunt is my sister friend and had gone to her sisters funeral the year before,her nephew was in the military but became so depressed over his mothers death they had to let him out. He had no criminal record,just a nice,heart sick young man and for unknown reasons he wound up with that policeman talking to him in front of his own apartment complex and then shot and killed him. The family has filed a Lawsuit no one knows why he was shot.
---Darlene_1 on 8/16/14


"...Both can be considered bullies. One was more influential than the other."
---aka on 8/15/14


Maybe aka, but one (the "alleged cigar bandit bully") was overpowered by a superior, armed force with legal authority, & summarily executed (shot dead). Influential? The "dominate bully" was casually (as a matter of protocol) placed on administrative leave & allowed to leave the Greater Saint Louis Metro area (whereabouts?) on his own merits. Incredible!

What I find very interesting is the media & St. Louis County police authorities repeatedly refer to the policeman as Officer Darren Wilson, but his Facebook profile identifies him as "Deputy Commissioner Wilson". Go figure!
---Leon on 8/15/14


Cluny: You suggested we all be quiet until we know the facts, but you, & a few others, seem to think it's a fact that was Mike Brown in the video when it hasn't been conclusively established it was him. I want to know what the store clerk & other eye witnesses on the scene will have to say. How do you know Brown attacked the police officer? You're assuming that based on the St. Louis County police authorities trying to portray Brown as a thug. Who was bullied? I believe it was the unarmed person who was murdered. Even if it's proven, without a doubt, Brown is the person in the video does larceny warrant his being hunted down in the street & executed like a dog without due process of law? Is this still the USA or a police state?
---Leon on 8/15/14


"...His [Darren Wilson's] punishment (if any) should be up to a judge & jury, who are in possession of all[?] the facts - NOT...people on the internet who make hysterical judgment..."
---StrongAxe on 8/15/14


I agree 'Axe, the officer has a right to be tried by a jury of his peers. Why you think he may not face any kind of punishment is beyond my comprehension since he did shoot & killed an unarmed, surrendered ("HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT") citizen, but that's your prerogative.

I certainly don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities here. Since this blog is already about "BULLIES", I'm hoping we can yet have an objective discussion rather than subjective, mental melt downs.
---Leon on 8/15/14


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Was the murdered Ferguson MO teen, Michael Brown, bullied by Officer Darren Wilson? If so, what should be Wilson's punishment?

By definition, Both can be considered bullies. One was more influential than the other.
---aka on 8/15/14


Leon:

You wrote: Was the murdered Ferguson MO teen, Michael Brown, bullied by Officer Darren Wilson? If so, what should be Wilson's punishment?

1) This presumes it was murder, not self defense.
2) New video surveillance evidence shows Brown robbed the convenience store and shoved the owner, so he WAS the suspect the officer was looking for, and he had a propensity for violence. This gives the self-defense claim more credibility.
3) His punishment (if any) should be up to a judge and jury, who are in possession of all the facts - NOT a bunch of people on the internet who make hysterical judgment-from-the-hips (as seem to have been happening all too much lately).
---StrongAxe on 8/15/14


\\Was the murdered Ferguson MO teen, Michael Brown, bullied by Officer Darren Wilson? If so, what should be Wilson's punishment?\\

Just before Brown was shot, he robbed a store of a $50 box of cigars, assaulted the clerk (this is on the surveillance tape), and walked down the street blocking traffic.

He then attacked Officer Wilson in his police car, injuring him to the point he had to be taken to the hospital, while struggling for his weapon. Common sense says you don't try to steal a policeman's gun.

So, just who is being a bully, Leon?

I admit that these are NOT capital crimes, but I suggest we all be silent until we know all the facts.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/15/14


Was the murdered Ferguson MO teen, Michael Brown, bullied by Officer Darren Wilson? If so, what should be Wilson's punishment?

BULLY:

1. A person(s) who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who are weaker. Synonyms: persecutor, oppressor, tyrant, tormentor, intimidator, tough guy, thug, ruffian, strong-arm, cyberbully "the school bully"
2. A person(s) who use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants. Synonyms: persecute, oppress, tyrannize, browbeat, harass, torment, intimidate, strong- arm, dominate, coerce, pressure, pressurize, press, push, force, compel, badger, goad, prod, browbeat, intimidate, dragoon, railroad, lean on...
---Leon on 8/15/14


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Yes, Brother this man, was very disturbed. I had been a long time after very carefull. I love the Lord how he took mercy upon me it took me a long time to again, eventually find a good church,respectable ministers, pastors snd deacons, all.
I have learn we have to keep them in prayer, Satan goes the extra mile to bring down a minister still a novice...

Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 8/14/14


Elena: Religious bullies around the world, like the false-prophet you spoke of, eventually succumbs to the evil spirits the Lord allows to inhabit them & they ultimately (generally speaking) fall perilously onto their own swords (sins) & die.
---Leon on 8/14/14


The god of the Book of Judges is pretty nasty.
---love.jesus on 8/11/14

Strange comment here. The "god" in a small g? was the book of Judges written by a god ...small g?

Nasty in what way?
---kathr4453 on 8/14/14


Wow Elena! Sounds like the Lord allowed an evil spirit to come upon the man because of his wayward/perverted ways. What looked like mental illness (mood swings) was likely demon possession.

She was approximately 40 years older than him?! He was young enough to be her grandson!

It's sad no one came to her rescue when he beat her. People must stand united against bullies or else they'll be individually bullied by him/them.

Sounds like people are afraid an evil spirit might be lingering (resident) in the apartment.

Sorry the lady worked herself to death. That's probably all she knew to do in order to hopefully escape his evil rampages.
---Leon on 8/13/14


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Elena that man was no Preacher,he just claimed he was. Our fruits expose our soul and where we are with God and if a person doesn't have the Fruits of the Spirit their behavior exposes the truth about them. When I moved in this house I lived here for a while and the Lord told me to go to every room and pray in the Spirit(tongues)and rebuke the evil from here. There had been a man living in here with a woman he wasn't married to. I don't know the relationship but she was divorced. God had His reasons and He told me the way I was to do it. Whatever God tells us to do we must recall obedience is the sign of a person who has complete faith in God. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/13/14


Bullies in the Ukraine, in Iraq, in Gaza, in N. Korea, in the streets of the U.S. (St. Louis, etc.). Bullies everywhere on planet Earth! It's one helluva situation!!!

How should civilized society deal with barbaric/savage bullies according to the teachings of the Bible?
---Leon on 8/13/14


Hello, Leon, I think he had deep pardon me say it as yes, I had trouble with him, he had deep sexual hang ups! problems and was very disrespectfull to his wife, and to me...
She was about 40 yrs.at least older than him, she was beat often.Nobody got into it- he was a bully...far as the apt.goes people just scary, cuz he was a mean guy, maybe mental issues.He could be nice n change one minute curse you out!
She died doing too, much cleaning she was into 90 yrs.old.
---Elena_9555 on 8/13/14


Sister Elena: You made some interesting comments about your former neighbor, now deceased, who was pentecostal preacher & a bully who didn't practice what he preached. Are you saying he died as a consequence of his actions?

Did he die a day after you stopped speaking to him & his abused wife died five days after he died? What's the problem with the apartment they lived in?

I'm not quite sure of your point. Are you saying because he was a hypocrite & bully he died, & the injuries he inflicted on his wife led to her death?

Please explain. Thank you.
---Leon on 8/13/14


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Bro.Leon,we had this neighbor a pentecostal.preacher.He always went about preaching in the streets, he told me, often he was "spat upon" slapped, pushed, a few times even beaten up!" Why? He used
to be a bully, beat up his wife..he often curse me, time and time again.
I quit speaking to him.Sad, he died after one day really disrespectfull to me.She died 5 days later.
They say nobody can stay in that apt.Not Long!
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 8/13/14


"...We never will know why about Christians who meet their end in a cruel way. If they died for God they shall also be rewarded by God. Remember whatever God does through us is to promote the Kingdom of God, that is all Christians calling, Go and Tell.For Bullies who murder,what a person sows,they reap. God Bless"
---Darlene_1 on 8/12/14


That's the bottom line Darlene. Amen!
---Leon on 8/12/14


Love Jesus,
You see a different God in Scripture, many do. A mean God in the Old Testament and a sweet, wonderful, loving God in Christ Jesus in the New Testament.
But He is the same God. All three Persons of the Trinity working together for a common purpose, to fulfill the plan of Redemption. God deals with all sorts of people differently. God raised Pharaoh to be Pharaoh for one purpose,
"For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth" (Rom. 9:17). Nothing could happen to Pharaoh in his life, because God had a purpose for keeping him safe. And think, how many people (slaves) Pharaoh tortured and had killed in that time.
---Luke on 8/12/14


"Say what you want to me or about me, I will stick with my view. The god of the Book of Judges is pretty nasty."
---love.jesus on 8/11/14


Love: Do you believe the Old Testament God is also the New Testament God (One & the same)?
---Leon on 8/12/14


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There's one fact people ignore,God may love the sinner but God's love for each person and His judgement of them is based on how much they love Him. Loving God means keeping and living by His Word. It means worship and Praise of God. We must practice having Fellowship with God,that's what we are created for Fellowship. Our love for God can never be as great as His for us but we must love Him with all our heart,mind,soul,and entire life. We never will know why about Christians who meet their end in a cruel way. If they died for God they shall also be rewarded by God. Remember whatever God does through us is to promote the Kingdom of God,that is all Christians calling,Go and Tell.For Bullies who murder,what a person sows,they reap. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/12/14


Say what you want to me or about me, I will stick with my view. The god of the Book of Judges is pretty nasty.
---love.jesus on 8/11/14


Love,
there's a brother who makes the same comments about God because the actions God takes are not to his liking.
He says, if God doesn't love everyone the same He is a monster, when God's actions are always righteous,
"In this the love of God was manifested towards "us" (believers & those who will come to Christ) that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that "we" (b. & t.w.w.c.to Christ) might live through Him. In this is love, not that "we" (b. & t.w.w.c.to Christ) loved God, but that He loved "us"(b. & t.w.w.c. to Christ) and sent His Son to be the propitiation for "our" sins."
---Luke on 8/12/14


It appears,love.Jesus, that you place yourself in the position of judging God! Did not God make us, therefore owns us, so is the only one who can judge us, and by His rules?

Is it not the height of arrogance for a creature to condemn the Creator when He judges by His published rules?

Romans 9:20 "But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"

James 4:12 "There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you--who are you to judge your neighbour?"

We cannot even judge our neighbour let alone judge God whose ways are far above ours.
---Warwick on 8/11/14


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Love: Please don't be flippant. GOD IS NOT A BULLY! He is the only one who can kill with impunity. That's because He's the only one who can bring back to life that which He has killed. It's totally His business what He does with life He has created & we have nothing to say about the matter.

Regarding God ordering the slaying of men, women & children in the Old Testament, I see it as His taking defective beings out of service by recall. He did the same thing to men, women & children during the flood. Do you have a problem with that?

The fact of the matter is God could've killed (destroyed) us ALL & replaced us with a newer model man after Adam sinned. But He made a Way (Jesus) for us to be repaired on sight. :)
---Leon on 8/11/14


Luke, any god who orders the slaughter of women, children and infants anywhere at any time isn't worth giving the time of day to.
---love.jesus on 8/11/14


You're welcome Sam. Eyes & ears wide open! :)
---Leon on 8/11/14


Thank you Leon some very good points.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/11/14


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I agree 'Axe & Josef. U.S. history shows a much less than humane body of European immigrants who "savagely" bullied the indigenous population to the point of genocide in the name of Manifest Destiny (land & resources grabbing). Slavery was savagely imposed on millions of African-Americans. Also, let's remember the savage racial injustices suffered by Mexican & Asian Americans...

Since then, the USA has come a long way, but there's still room for much improvement in our federal & state governments as we the people are a melting pot of many diverse ethnicities.

The bullies are still everywhere in government, etc. They often seek positions of authority whereby they can dominate/lord it over others.
---Leon on 8/11/14


\\I was thinking of the Gulf War that took place 10 years later under George W Bush, when he attacked Iraq,\\

The Gulf War is also known as Desert Storm.

What took place 10 years later was Operation Enduring Freedom.

Of course, neither actually worked.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/11/14


However, on reflection, how they dealt with Native Americans two centuries ago comes uncomfortably close.
---StrongAxe on 8/10/14

And "they" did that after the natives welcomed them, and give them aid, that is beyond barbaric. And "they" had the insolence to call the natives savages.
---Josef on 8/11/14


//In the Old Testament the Children of Israel attacked cities and killed all the men and women and children and infants and took over the cities intact. I would say they were bullies too.//

Love Jesus,
Did you not read in the Bible that it was God who ordered the slaughter of many nations for the protection of Israel? They were not bullies, they did what God commanded them to do in the Old Testament. Of course God has a purpose. He does not do things without purpose. There is many reasons why He did what He did, the main one was for the survival of Israel because through them would come the Lord Jesus Christ. There is other reasons also that space will not allow, Agape
---Luke on 8/11/14


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Love: War is a helluva thing! In the midst of the hell fire, it's very difficult to know friends from foes.

Like a mad dog, Saddam Hussein (SH) had to be put down: The "questionable" data that said he had or was trying to get weapons of mass destruction was vitally necessary to bring him down. The bonafied truth of the matter is he (himself) was a weapon of mass destruction, like all dictators who rule people by fear (manipulation, intimidation & domination).

SH notoriously used lethal gas on his enemies as well as his own people (likewise his enemies). Justice required the dog be put down in the interest of human rights.

NO, the U.S. wasn't/isn't a bully, but the instrument of international justice!
---Leon on 8/10/14


Cluny:

You wrote: How this applies to nations, I don't know.

I have yet to hear of any nation willing to martyr (i.e. sacrifice) itself for other nations.


love_jesus

You wrote: For starters there are ISIS and the US government. What can be done about each of them?

I was about to write that you are comparing apples and oranges: ISIS slaughters entire villages, driving different people (e.g. Christians, or Muslims of a different flavor) out, all in the name their "rightful destiny", and the U.S. doesn't do that. However, on reflection, how they dealt with Native Americans two centuries ago comes uncomfortably close.
---StrongAxe on 8/10/14


In the Old Testament the Children of Israel attacked cities and killed all the men and women and children and infants and took over the cities intact. I would say they were bullies too.
---love.jesus on 8/10/14


Throughout the Old Testament God made His Chosen People victorious through battle.
---KarenD on 8/10/14


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Leon, I was not thinking of Operation Desert Storm. I was thinking of the Gulf War that took place 10 years later under George W Bush, when he attacked Iraq, which had nothing at all to do with 9/11. What ticked me off most of all were the Christian radio talk show hosts crying for Muslim blood just prior to that war.
---love.jesus on 8/10/14


\\Now, if the other bloggers will get on track with the discussion being about "INTERNATIONAL BULLY FACTIONS (radical terrorist movements) & GOVERNMENTS (totalitarian regimes)",\\

I've told my friends that if I'm kidnapped by mahometan jihadista terrorists, there is to be neither negotiation nor ransom for my freedom.

Either they release me safe and sound or they just go ahead and send me to Jesus.

How this applies to nations, I don't know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/14


Love: I believe what you said is an inaccurate assessment. The Gulf War was waged by coalition forces from 34 nations led by the United States against Iraq in response to Iraq's invasion (attempted hostile takeover) & annexation of Kuwait. The role the U.S. played was to rescue (free) Kuwait from the "BULLY" regime of Saddam Hussein. Remember him, the genocidal "ethnic cleansing" murderer, infamously called The Butcher of Bagdad?

No friend, the U.S. was not bullying anyone. Instead, we were delivering bullied nations (Kuwait & Iraq) from an aggressive & diabolical monster.

Also, I don't see how you can possibly compare the U.S. government to ISIS. Please explain.
---Leon on 8/10/14


Cluny, the Gulf War might be a good starting place...
---love.jesus on 8/9/14


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\\For starters there are ISIS and the US government. What can be done about each of them?\\

And just how is the US a bully and who is being bullied?

Can you tell us?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/14


You're welcome Cluny. :)

Now, if the other bloggers will get on track with the discussion being about "INTERNATIONAL BULLY FACTIONS (radical terrorist movements) & GOVERNMENTS (totalitarian regimes)", maybe we all can in some measure benefit before this blog has run it's 75 comment limit.
---Leon on 8/9/14


For starters there are ISIS and the US government. What can be done about each of them?
---love.jesus on 8/9/14


Most bullies are insecure and so take it out on others who allow it or are too afraid not to stand up to them. Many of those who are classified as bullies may also have a poor relationship with their parents.

How to deal with a bully? Stand up to them, and more than likely they will back down. (But do it on an "eye-ball-to-eye" basis. If someone is with you or sees you, the bully may feel threaten, and to protect his/her image, just bully you more.) After that and you have establish the fact you won't be bullied, befriend them because that is what most of them want - a friend. (To befriend also includes to pray for them.)
---wivv on 8/9/14


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\\A lot can be said about bullies in our local communities, but today I'm talking about on the international scene Cluny.\\

Thank you for clarifying this, Leon.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/14


Cluny: The Bible overflows with individuals (e.g., Cain, Goliath, Herod, Ahab & Jezebel) & nation bullies (e.g., Babylon, Philistia, Egypt & Rome) of which God had an active hand in subduing.

A lot can be said about bullies in our local communities, but today I'm talking about on the international scene Cluny.

Cliff: I think the most civilized nations on earth have always been the one's most concerned about the human dignity & individual worth of it's citizenry, & the well-being of it's neighboring nations.

Barbaric bullies agendas have always been, & STILL IS, to steal, kill & destroy.

So, let's have a "civil" discussion about current global issues, shall we? Thx! :)
---Leon on 8/9/14


Leon, Which nations in bible times were "civilized"?
Maybe you could define "civilized"!
---1stcliff on 8/8/14


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