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Men Of Adultery

I wonder why it is that we never read in the bible of 'men caught in the act of adultery'. Can a woman manage to commit this sin all by herself? Of course she cannot, and as 'women are the weaker vessel' the majority of women will have had no choice in this act.

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A response to Rita. You write that men do not get mention and do not get punished or humiliated. Here are two Bible stories of rape and women being forced in the Bible. Both instances, these named men, are murdered for what they had done even though ONE wished to marry the victim girl most eagerly. Genesis 34, Dina is defiled by Shechem and Shechem and all the men of his town are murdered by Dina's brothers. 2 Samuel 13, Amnon defiles Tamar and Tamar's brother Absalom then kills his half brother Amnon for raping his sister. They were most severely punished for something that God instead commands marriage without divorce. Do you find their punishment fair? Tamar wanted marriage as solution to Amnon's want.
---sin5694 on 11/21/14


the man involved IN THOSE CASES doesn't get a mention and there is no suggestion that the man should be punished or humiliated...One would expect that both would have been treated in the same way.-Rita_H

Do you understand that all sins have serious repurcussion...especially the sins "hidden" from God?

Gal 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
---aka on 10/15/14


(Deuteronomy 22:22-7) If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to deaththe young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another mans wife. You must purge the evil from among you. But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. Do nothing to the woman, she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.
---sin on 10/15/14


You certainly give women benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately women share guilt. Potiphar's wife, Joseph refused. Joseph fled, was falsely accused and imprisoned. (Genesis 39:8-9) Joseph had choice. "With me in charge, my master does not concern himself with anything in the house, everything he owns he has entrusted to my care. My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a wicked thing and sin against God?" CHOOSE. (2 Timothy 3:6) For among them are those who worm their way into homes and captivate silly and weak-natured and spiritually dwarfed women, loaded down with [the burden of their] sins [and easily] swayed and led away by various evil desires and seductive impulses.
---sin on 10/15/14


That, plus the fact that women virtually had to do as they were told,.....
---Rita_H on 8/17/14

No Choice?? Not defendable. No lawyer would take the case.
Israel...both Houses are found in adultery. Our book is about consequences...and price of renewal.
Pro_6:32 But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul.
Jer_3:8 I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Eze_16:32 But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!
---Trav on 10/15/14




I worded my question very badly - sorry. I was actually referring to those instances in the bible where a woman 'is caught in adultery' and the man involved IN THOSE CASES doesn't get a mention and there is no suggestion that the man should be punished or humiliated.

That is why I said that the women cannot commit this sin on her own. One would expect that both would have been treated in the same way.
---Rita_H on 10/14/14


I don't know what you are talking about -- You asking why we never read in the Bible of men caught in the act of adultery. ABSALOM WAS CAUGHT WITH TEN OF HIS FATHER'S WIVES FOR ALL TO SEE. () and RUBEN was disinherited by his father Israel because Ruben slept with one of his father's wives. () So how can you say that we never read in the Bible of men caught in the act of adultery? 2 Samuel 16:22 So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he slept with his fathers concubines in the sight of all Israel. Genesis 35:22 While Israel was living in that region, Reuben went in and slept with his fathers concubine Bilhah, and Israel heard of it. More, Jesus wrote in the sand. Not one of the woman's accusers stayed to stone her. ALL CAUGHT!
---sin on 10/13/14


There are number of scholars who believe that it was more a seduction then a rape.

The idea that a damsel in the city could call out and a rescue was to come.

But the point is women had rights and protections. Unlike Greek and Roman laws where women were property.

Also it is important to remember that GOD rules that women could inherit property against the wishes of the Jewish leaders.


Num 27:7

The daughters of Zelophehad speak right: thou shalt surely give them a possession of an inheritance among their father's brethren, and thou shalt cause the inheritance of their father to pass unto them.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/31/14


Peter, yes absolutely. This was done purely because of the pregnancy as that was the proof of the action. Everyone had to protect their reputation in those days and it was a huge shame brought on the family if it were known that unmarried people had had a sexual relationship - hence all the pretence that such was not actually the case.

Some men denied it was their child and there were no tests to prove it back then but if they'd done the act they tended to tie the knot if pregnancy was the result. Very few of those kind of marriages actually failed though. They worked at making it work for the sake of the children and because divorce carried its own stigma.
---Rita_H on 8/25/14


Rita_H on 8/25/14: I know those things were done, I think more often just because the woman was pregnant - not necessarily because of rape.

It seemed to me strange that God did not force a stronger punishment for the man in case of rape.

Just seemed unusual to me - of course it was not anyone's job to argue with God!
---Peter on 8/25/14




Peter, "The law would sound strange now, but God gave it, so obviously it is fair - if you rape a woman who is not engaged or married, your only punishment will be to marry her and never divorce her"

What you say is not vastly different from how things were in Britain up until the 1960s. We called them "Shotgun Weddings" and probably the U.S. did also. The couple were virtually forced to marry (quickly) if the girl was pregnant and everyone pretended that the child was 'a honeymoon baby born prematurely'. Divorce was also stigmatized so those couples usually stayed together. Everything was done to not stigmatise the families concerned. Reputation was very important in those days.
---Rita_H on 8/25/14


Samuelbb7 on 8/19/14: you quoted, well, Deut 22:25-26, there it is classed as a case of rape, and the man only dies. But if the case is within the city, then they both die. Or, if a man 'seizes' a woman who is not betrothed, he must only take her as his wife for the rest of his life - that was his only punishment.

The law would sound strange now, but God gave it, so obviously it is fair - if you rape a woman who is not engaged or married, your only punishment will be to marry her and never divorce her

How happy would we feel about such a law, do you think
---Peter on 8/24/14


I have not said or commented on the Comments of JESUS.

The men said they caught the women in the act. So that must also mean the man was still there. From the words it was a group of men. So it would have been easy to catch the man too.

GOD has a higher view of women then men today and in history have.

Act 21:9

And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

There were Prophetesses is the Old Testament.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/24/14


Samuelbb7 on 8/22/14: 'So the Jewish leaders were breaking the law when they only brought the women.'

They were breaking the law if the DESIRED TO only bring the woman.

It is of course possible that (they desired to only bring the woman) was the case.

But Christ had cases where He complained about people's thoughts, and this was not one - so leave Christ's comments as they were said
---Peter on 8/23/14


\\So the Jewish leaders were breaking the law when they only brought the women.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/22/14\\

It is possible that the man escaped.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/14


Lev 20:10

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

A couple taken in Adultery were both to be stoned. So the Jewish leaders were breaking the law when they only brought the women.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/22/14


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\\So the executioners can't themselves be guilty of the same crime they are executing someone for. \\

Wrong again.

Jesus said, "without sin," which is much broader than murder (or not having committed murder).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/20/14


Please people read the whole Bible. Women were not second class according to the Bible that is from the Romans and Greeks. Yes they were not treated exactly alike.

For the once case where a person could be executed on testimony of a single person is for rape.


Deuteronomy 22:25,26

But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:

But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing, there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
---Samuelbb7 on 8/19/14



It does give the qualifications for the executioners, so it relates to capital punishment.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 8/19/14


So the executioners can't themselves be guilty of the same crime they are executing someone for. So as long as we don't employ convicted murderers as executioners in our prisons, we're fine. I don't think there are currently any convicted murderers working as executioners in the United States.
---Jed on 8/19/14


\\Cluny, "let him without sin cast the first stone" really has no relevance to captial punishment.\\

It does give the qualifications for the executioners, so it relates to capital punishment.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/14


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At that time women were second-class citizen. Jesus came to change that rule. The law was given to make the man perfect. Which did not work for man. Jesus was given to make man and women perfect which he did. Women can speak the word with power just as a man can. No difference. Jesus working equally in either one. Women were given to help not to be less. They will help Jesus if men want. So men who refuse watch out you may find yourself being stoned.
---Bryan on 8/18/14


At that time women were second-class citizen. Jesus came to change that rule. The law was given to make the man perfect. Which did not work for man. Jesus was given to make man and women perfect which he did. Women can speak the word with power just as a man can. No difference. Jesus working equally in either one. Women were given to help not to be less. They will help Jesus if men want. So men who refuse watch out you may find yourself being stoned.
---Bryan on 8/18/14


Cluny, "let him without sin cast the first stone" really has no relevance to captial punishment. Capital punishment supporters generally aren't murderers and terrorists themselves. Jesus said "let him withoit sin cast the first stone" because her accusers were themselves guilty of adultery and deserved the same punishment, and Jesus was showing their hypocrisy. That's quite different than a mureder victim's family seeking justice for their murdered family member. Now, if someone demanding the death sentence was secretly a murderer themselves, then that would apply here.
---Jed on 8/18/14


aka " all she can do is forgive and live each day focusing on Jesus. it seems like she is focusing on the seeming unfairness, which means she is focusing on herself". You are absolutely correct here and I shall pass this thought to my friend also.

I think that the time has come for me to focus on other subjects myself also.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to my several similar topics.
---Rita_H on 8/18/14


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//plus the fact that women virtually had to do as they were told//

True but women have more power than they think. Just look at the book of Genesis. Not until Joseph's escape from Potiphar's wife did a man stand-up for what is right at a woman suggestion.
---Scott1 on 8/18/14


\\ Instead, he said "let him without sin cast the first stone",\\

This is why I'm against capital punishment.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/14


Jed. I did not say she was innocent of adultery. it is quite evident that the man involved in the tryst was probably not there. Cluny suggested he might have escaped. I suggest that maybe she was set up to be caught.

I have a sincere question although. What version says forgive? I can find condemn and accuse.
---aka on 8/17/14



the man of John 8 was probably in collusion...not only to frame her but also to challenge Jesus.

---aka on 8/17/14


There is no evidence that the woman was framed at all! The Bible suggests that the woman was indeed guilty of adultery. In fact, after the men left, Jesus told the woman "your sins are forgiven. Go and sin no more". Jesus didn't pardon the woman because he believed she was innocent. He knew she wasn't. He pardoned her because she was guilty, but He was teaching a message about mercy. Jesus could have demanded proof or evidence, but He didn't need it. Instead, he said "let him without sin cast the first stone", because he was showing their hypocrisy.
---Jed on 8/17/14


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rita,

i appreciate your answer. i did not think it was your thoughts...just somebody else's.

i think they are needlessly in quandary. they i suppose are not practicing Judaism. Jesus says he has a new law that was from the beginning...to love one another. all she can do is forgive and live each day focusing on Jesus. it seems like she is focusing on the seeming unfairness, which means she is focusing on herself.

she needs to let the seemingly unfair and focus on walking with christ in love.
---aka on 8/17/14


aka, not so regarding misandry. Just gathering ideas to pass on to someone else (soon I hope) because of 'seeming' unfairness.

In the United Kingdom we'd call this 'picking other people's brains)in other words, comparing the feelings and ideas of others on the same topics. To others who answered, yes, I had totally overlooked David's adultery. Shame on me.

I'll put on my 'thinking cap' and try to come up with some new topics soon !!
---Rita_H on 8/17/14


Rita, what you are describing is rape, not adultery. Even in the Bible days they recognized a clear difference between rape and consensual fornication. The woman who was brought to Jesus committed adultery willingly. Regardless of what happened to the man, she was guilty of her sin. Jesus didn't pardon her because he secretly knew she wasn't guilty. It was clear that he knew she that she was. He pardoned her because she was indeed guilty and he was teaching us about mercy and forgiveness. Don't let your bigotry or anger toward men convince you that women have no sin. No matter what happens to the other participating parties, you are still responsible for your sins. Period.
---Jed on 8/17/14


The man of John 8 apparently escaped... ---Cluny on 8/17/14

the man of John 8 was probably in collusion...not only to frame her but also to challenge Jesus.
---aka on 8/17/14


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the one wrongly punished for this act, the man usually going free and 'untarnished'.
---Rita_H on 8/17/14

the woman was not wrongly punished. she was unjustly accused.
---aka on 8/17/14


The man of John 8 apparently escaped.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/14


Did you forget about DAVID?
---KarenD on 8/17/14


Ms. Rita: I know of at least one named male & perhaps a few unnamed ones.

1.) King David's famously adulterous relationship with Bathsheba is probably the most famous illicit sexual act, between a man & woman, recorded in the entire Bible.

2.) Then there was the woman at the well of whom Jesus called out for having had numerous men in her life. The story shows she wasn't guilty all by herself. It takes two or more to tango & she had to have had male (also unnamed) accomplices.

3.) Finally, there was Sister About-to-be-stoned who had commited adultery (with an unnamed male). Incidentally, I'm of the understanding that both male & female, if guilty of adultery, were both to be stoned. Go figure!
---Leon on 8/17/14


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//I wonder why it is that we never read in the bible of 'men caught in the act of adultery'.//

there was a man who was caught in the act. he was the one who was with the women caught in the act. The more import issue is that Jesus did not the one who was accused. somehow i do not think the man will share the same ending.

rita_h...from you latest postings you seem to be struggling with thoughts born in misandry.
---aka on 8/17/14


I didn't have enough words to complete my question. I had wanted to say that the women caught in the act of adultery (in the bible narratives) might have had no choice in the act because men are stronger and could easily overpower many women. That, plus the fact that women virtually had to do as they were told, could often have resulted in her being the one wrongly punished for this act, the man usually going free and 'untarnished'.
---Rita_H on 8/17/14


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