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Is The USA In The Bible

Is the United States of America spoken of anywhere in the Bible?

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 ---Leon on 8/19/14
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I'm not sure how much I have to add here. I know that we can be happy if we completely trust in Jesus for our happiness. We do not have to be afraid of anything that's going on in the world.
---learner2 on 9/2/14


Learner2, Leon has USED YOU for his own personal audience and vain-glory displaying the only way he can look good by making others look bad. Those kind of character flaws are so sad, showing one cannot stand on their own character or stand tall without standing on top of others they believe they have knocked down in some sort of victory. They see themselves standing head and shoulders above all others, while all others only see someone not measured next to Jesus Christ alone. It reminds one of the "Emperor with no Cloths". Also a reminder of Jesus words in Revelation 3, showing they are "naked and blind believing they have need of nothing". Let us all pray for Leon.
---Anonymous on 9/2/14


Leon, your constant insults towards me are not necessary. But thank you for clarifying your hateful attitude towards anything I say and injecting your own underhanded comments having NOTHING to do with this discussion except to hurl personal attacks at my character and not even addressing the issues and points by leaving out your venom, and stating WHY you disagree with Jerry, AKA or anyone else who also disagrees with you.

I think we all see this Leon. The ONLY one here who is nasty is YOU! You don't know how to debate. When questioned or pointing out you have no VALID scripture support, the only thing you hide behind is your own nasty hateful personal feelings.SO SO CARNAL Leon.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/14


Learner2: Are we having fun yet?! :) Like I said, there's a lot of huffing & puffing going on here. Kathr, for one, is bent on FORCE FEEDING her opinions down our throats, like it or not. If she says so, it must be SO! Incredible!

I really hope you stick & stay. We desperately need fresher, clearer & more Bible accurate perspectives. Some bloggers have been here for years (myself included). Some seem to believe their own stuff based on their "helpful blogger" rankings. That's RANK (disgusting)!

"Learner2". :) We should all be "learners too". You seem to be someone who can bring something of value to the table.

"God bless America, land that I love..."
---Leon on 9/2/14


I see the USA more like fulfilling Revelation 18....Babylon. and of coarse the beast false prophet etc come directly out of Babylon.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/14




Is the United States of America spoken of anywhere in the Bible?
---Leon on 8/19/14

This question is answered by the fulfillment of the prophesied blessings.
There are over 70+ scriptural blessings that the U.States has fulfilled. Here are just two. 71 was enough for me. Seek and......
Deu_32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?
Zec 8:12 For the seed shall be prosperous, the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew, and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things.
---Trav on 9/2/14


Note that our Supreme Court now contains 6 Roman Catholics, 3 Jews, and NO Protestants. Some have concluded that the 8th may be the New World Order.

---jerry6593 on 9/2/14

Not to mention that all the symbolism in DC is of the Masons, going all the way back to Nimrod. USA was ever founded on the Death and resurrection of Jesus Christ which IS the ONLY Christianity there is. The Calvinists actually believe WE are the New Jerusalem and God's NEW Chosen People. Read the Light and the Glory by Peter Marshall. It is all based on a lie. The Mormons copied these ideas and believe the same thing. Many Calvinists founders WERE MASONS!
---kathr4453 on 9/2/14


learner2:

You asked: Do you think apologetics is really necessary? Do you think people's minds are actually changed by apologetic arguments?

There are many people who are skeptical, yet respect sound logical reasoning. While they may reject rhetoric and unsubstantiated claims, they may subsequently respect such claims if they are substantiated by logical reasoning based on authorities that they already accept.

For example, Jews might reject claims that "Jesus is the Messiah", but be more accepting of "The Prophets spoke of a Messiah. Jesus fulfills their prophecies. Therefore he is the Messiah", which is the gist of Matthew's gospel.
---StrongAxe on 9/2/14


Leon: "Jeery: That's because most of your posts aggressively "morph" into personal attacks ..."

"I just ignore her (Kathr) when she goes off her meds & begins raising hell."

Classy, erudite and uplifting as usual!



Kath: "Jerry, question....do you think the 8th who was part of the 7th is the USA?"

No. I believe that these refer to world-dominating powers beginning with the Papacy, and that the US (apostate Protestantism) is the False Prophet that makes an image to the beast. Note that our Supreme Court now contains 6 Roman Catholics, 3 Jews, and NO Protestants. Some have concluded that the 8th may be the New World Order.


---jerry6593 on 9/2/14


True apologetics is still SCRIPTURE TEACHING SCRIPTURE, BACKED UP by scripture.

Firstly America is NOT JUDAH. That cannot be proved by scripture anywhere. To assume all the scattered tribes throughout Europe who immigrated here was/is ALL exclusively JUDAH, is WRONG, or to spiritualized away the true 12 tribes to mean something it's not is in fact anit-semitic to the core. That would place Jesus who is of the LITERAL TRIBE OF JUDAH, returning to AMERICA to take the Throne. WE are not Jerusalem or the New Jerusalem....unless of coarse your Mormon. And with Leon spiritualizing away the true 12 tribes gives no reason to defend Israel in their own land in the first place.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/14




On one hand Leon takes the literal defending of Israel becoming a Nation promised through out OT scripture, Isaiah 14 for starters, believes in defending the true descendants of Jacob, AKA the literal 12 tribes these promises belong to, and then does some strange switch to an over active imagination NOT IN SCRIPTURE, that America is JUDAH. Why does Leon believe this? Because we are a super power Jesus is going to NEED to defend Israel? When reading Prophecy, Judah is the Law Giver, however it is another tribe that is the Victor. Even in Judges 5, Judah was not the victor tribe who fought against Sisera, TWO OTHER TRIBES ARE GIVEN THE HONOR.

Read for yourself.

Remember not one weapon was used taking down the wall of Jericho.
---kathr453 on 9/2/14


Cluny - Good point, a little of both here.
---learner2 on 9/1/14


Learner2: I just ignore her (Kathr) when she goes off her meds & begins raising hell. Let's stay on track with the blog subject (what's left of the 75 comments max before it gets barked up) if we can. :)

Since you asked me two questions, please let me ask you, do you believe there's any evidence of the United States being spoken of anywhere in the Bible?
---Leon on 9/1/14


\\Leon - It sounds like apologetics is dangerous here!
---learner2 on 9/1/14\\

There's a difference between apologetics and polemics.

Apologetics defend something the writer believes to be true.

Polemics attacks something the writer believes to be false.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/1/14


Well, considering there is no such thing as OBJECTIVE apologetics....

But then again many of Leon's so called apologetics are in fact what may do object to. Calling blatant sin an opinion is one we all objected to.

So learner2, seeing how Leon answered you in his last post I personally find objectionable and arrogant.

And maybe we have Leon talking to Leon here? If you agree with Leon that satan tempting Eve to sin was called only Satan's opinion, not an out an out LIE, then we all can assume Leon is playing games here.
---kathr4453 on 9/1/14


Apologetics, to a degree, certainly is helpful. Sometimes people's minds are changed depending upon the condition of their hearts & life circumstance they're facing. I however think what makes the real difference is this. People don't care how much we know. They want to know how much we care. Scripture shows that genuine love changes hearts more than anything else.
---Leon on 9/1/14


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Do you think apologetics is really necessary? Do you think people's minds are actually changed by apologetic arguments?
---learner2 on 9/1/14


Learner2: Routinely, as a rule of thumb, objective apologetics is subjectively barked at here. Nonetheless, God's truth prevails here & everywhere else regardless of the scoffers. So, please do let your light shine in the face of the rebel opposition. Yes, apologetics is dangerous to those who resist it...
---Leon on 9/1/14


Leon - It sounds like apologetics is dangerous here!
---learner2 on 9/1/14


Rev 17: 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet, but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. .

Jerry, question....do you think the 8th who was part of the 7th is the USA?
---kathr4453 on 9/1/14


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I entered my understanding of the USA in Bible prophecy below, but I haven't seen any comment on it.---jerry6593 on 9/1/14

i am studying it. thanks for presenting it.
---aka on 9/1/14


"...I entered my understanding of the USA in Bible prophecy below, but I haven't seen any comment on it."---jerry6593 on 9/1/14

Jeery: That's because most of your posts aggressively "morph" into personal attacks upon the character of the President of the United States. Certainly, IF you're an American citizen, you can freely speak your mind. But, what you're addressing isn't what this blog is about & the Bible has nothing specific to say about President Obama, but you always do. Go figure!

Hi learner2: Welcome! Please keep your eyes, ears & (most specially) your Bible open here. The currents (waters) are treacherous & the gators very aggressive, & dangerous. :)
---Leon on 9/1/14


Jump to & draw whatever conclusions that suit you Rod & Kathr. "I believe" Jonah was "angry" because he was "surprised" God didn't destroy the Ninevites despite the fact they'd repented of their sins & God gave them a stay of execution. Jonah, for whatever personal reasons, wanted to see the Ninevites destroyed.

Regardless, if it's in your hearts to do so, let's agree to disagree & return to the original blog question (USA in the Bible?) of which you & I (Kathr) have already agreed to disagree upon.
---Leon on 9/1/14


Jonah was not surprised.

"He prayed to the LORD and said, Please LORD, was not this what I said while I was still in my own country? Therefore in order to forestall this I fled to Tarshish, for I knew that You are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, and one who relents concerning calamity."
---Rod4Him on 9/1/14


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Jonah was not surprised.

"He prayed to the LORD and said, Please LORD, was not this what I said while I was still in my own country? Therefore in order to forestall this I fled to Tarshish, for I knew that You are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, and one who relents concerning calamity."
---Rod4Him on 9/1/14


learner2: Hi, and welcome.

You will find very little consensus here on anything. You will even note that many find it difficult to stay on topic - as is the case here. Somehow the USA has morphed into Judah, Zion, Jonah, etc.

I entered my understanding of the USA in Bible prophecy below, but I haven't seen any comment on it.



---jerry6593 on 9/1/14


Jonah said in the end of Jonah, " I knew you would do this because you are a merciful God". So no, Jonah wasn't surprised, he was angry. The last chapter God deals with Jonas anger and attitude.

Jonah the Calvinist was ANGRY God chose to have mercy on Nineveh rather than destroy Nineveh. He was not surprised one bit God showed mercy after they repented.

Learner 1. Question....is Australia mentioned in the Bible? Please don't confuse DOWN UNDER with hades when pondering the answer.
---kathr4453 on 9/1/14


Whoa Kathr! The only thing Jonah has to do with the subject is he was "surprised" at the outcome, i.e., it didn't go the way he thought it would. "Surprised" is the key word here, like we previously discussed & agreed to as a possibility...
---Leon on 8/31/14


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Hello. I am new here.

I've read the posts. I am curious if there is any consensus as to whether the USA is mentioned in the Bible in some way.
---learner2 on 8/31/14


Leon, what does Jonah the prophet have to do with this discussion? Jonah was a prophet, not just some ordinary citizen, where God told him to do something he didn't want to do.....that is WARN GENTILES of God's judgement to come. Jonah never even asked them to repent.....interesting huh? They believed the God if Israel, and knew Jonah was an Israelite also hearing rumors of what happened on the ship and that was enough for the GENTILES to know God was speaking to them.

Are you saying all lost Jews in America are prophets here to warn the Gentiles?

Interesting concept.....

Unless this post of yours was meant for another subject you accidentally posted here?
---kathr4453 on 8/31/14


I just re-read Jonah 3 & 4. Hmmmm, very interesting! What an unpleasant surprise for "poor ol'" Jonah. :)
---Leon on 8/31/14


Leon, that's all any of us can and should do. I agree, we may all be surprised.
---kathr4453 on 8/30/14


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Okay Kathr. I've expressed my beliefs & you've done likewise. Obviously, we significantly differ in our beliefs so let's disagree agreeably & if the Lord allows we'll see what happens & one or the other of us, or maybe both of us may be completely surprised at the outcome. God bless! :)
---Leon on 8/30/14


Leon, not sure where you came up with that, BUT the fact is, American Jews are NOT considered the tribe of Judah. Another FACT is American Jews who have refused the Gospel of Salvation NOW are NOT given a second chance to be saved by defending Israel during the great tribulation. And only 1/3 of Jews will be saved through the tribulation.

The majority of American Jews Leon are atheists, or can be paralleled with those like Esther who are very worldly. And the majority of Jews in America are not Zionists. The Body of Christ is not Zionists either. Although those like Hagee are, and preach a false gospel anyway. Zionism is not a democracy, but a theocracy. Yet FOX news commercials seems to have confused the two.
---kathr4453 on 8/30/14


Kathr: Babylon was a gentile nation, yet God used Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, & Abednego to significantly impact it for good. Egypt was a gentile nation. Again, God used Joseph to impact it for good. Etc., etc.

You may be thinking, they weren't Jews (Judah). Well, they were the Hebrew ancestor of the Jews (JUDAH, same DNA), who like modern day Jews, wound up living in foreign gentile lands & prospering to the point of being instruments in God's divine plan.

Today, American Jews are very influentially powerful in the USA & abroad. "I believe" when the Zech. 12 time comes, they'll play a major role in the USA national defense & world events.
---Leon on 8/30/14


Leon, maybe I misunderstood you somewhere, but JUDAH is not a gentile nation. Judah after the diaspora consisted of Judah, Benjamin and Levi. Some of Benjamin remained in the northern kingdom, as was Esther, and some went with Judah.

The United States consists of a hodge podge of all gentile nations from around the world, and the Jews in America come from all the various tribes that were scattered.

You can't spiritualized away the literal tribes, Jacob's literal flesh, Genesis 49 and the prophesy concerning THEM in the Last days.

And when Jesus saves Israel, He alone will get the Glory without giving any credit to the USA for helping Him.
---kathr4453 on 8/30/14


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Kathr: I believe Zechariah 12 shows a future war wherein the United States (JUDAH) & the nation Israel (JERUSALEM) will be besieged (hemmed in/surrounded on all sides) by enemy nations in the mother of all earthly battles between God & Satan.

I believe the angel of the Lord (JESUS) is going to empower the USA to overcome our adversaries & defend Israel at the peril, & utter destruction of the enemy nations who will come against them.

Why do I believe the U.S. is JUDAH? What American ethnic group is positionally the most powerful (has the ability to control or influence people or things)?

This is what "I believe". :)
---Leon on 8/29/14


The Book of Daniel outlines the history of world powers from Babylon to Medo-Persia to Greece to Rome and the nations of Europe to the 2nd coming of Jesus. All of these nations arise from the sea, i.e. from populous regions (Rev 17:15).

In contradistinction, after these, one nation arises from the earth (relatively unpopulated area) and has horns like a lamb but speaks as a dragon (Rev 13:11). (The Bison has lamb-like horns.) I believe that this power is indeed America, and through our Terrorist-in-Chief, we are beginning to speak as a Dragon.


---jerry6593 on 8/30/14


//as to whether America is in scripture// kathr, it is not important who is named other than Jesus Christ in the end. all authority is His.

i pray for and support those of the twelve that believe that Jesus is Lord and Christ and those of which are grafted.

what is sure since gen 3 is great deception. you will never convince me and some others that the country of Israel formed in 1948 by the UN is the true home of Jesus. Any form of Zionism is a great deception. Any form of Judaizing in the form of Judeo-Christian belief is part of the great deception. Rev_15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee, for thy judgments are made manifest.
---aka on 8/30/14


Leon, as to whether America is in scripture in the last days you refer to in Zechariah 12, remains to be seen. America does not support Israel the way it use to, and who knows if one day we too may stop our support. Just look at so many Americans who say.....oh those poor poor Palistinians, bla bla bla..who terrorized themselves through Arafat, the first terrorist ...I'm sure you remember the PLO, and the airline hijacks, throwing wheelchair victims off of cruse ships etc.... And our most liberal news media always seem to side with those poor poor Palistinians. No such thing as an Arab Palistinians. In Genesis 10, the Palistinians were PHILISTINES aka GREEKS from off the coast of Crete. Look at the genealogies.
---kathr4453 on 8/29/14


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So very true. I agree.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/29/14


We, the American "Judeo-Christian" remnant, must totally depend upon the Lord to safeguard our continued independence against all enemies, foreign & domestic. I believe, specifically, God created "US" as a hedge of protection around the Nation Israel. Zech. 12:1-4.
---Leon on 8/29/14

Yes Leon I agree. This comes from a covenant promise to Abraham...I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. We see this proof when Spain drove the Jews out, and lost that blessing.
---kathr4453 on 8/29/14


We, the American "Judeo-Christian" remnant, must totally depend upon the Lord to safeguard our continued independence against all enemies, foreign & domestic. I believe, specifically, God created "US" as a hedge of protection around the Nation Israel. Zech. 12:1-4.
---Leon on 8/29/14


Correction to read Zech. 12:1-14
---Leon on 8/29/14


-shira4368 on 8/28/14

some of the principles on which the US was born is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. (The latter is not necessarily christian.) under the principles of all three, don't they have the same rights? It seems to me that is a pursuit of happiness. this "christian" nation now has a president that is not christian in practice...far from it. we chose him. we keep choosing one that is worse than the one before him (minus reagan). the govt is the people.

i love some of the people around me, some i do not love what they do. that is a worldwide principle for everyone, but the Son of Man has no pillow here. No government created on any principles will stand unless they are led by Jesus Christ.
---aka on 8/29/14


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"Amen Leon. I love God & country. This is the only nation that is a Christian nation founded on Godly principals..."
---shira4368 on 8/28/14


AMEN Shira! That's right, GOD first & then Country. Without God covering us with His outstretched wings, we wouldn't be a world super power. I believe He made "US" to serve Him & protect all freedom loving souls during the perilous times we're now living in.

We, the American "Judeo-Christian" remnant, must totally depend upon the Lord to safeguard our continued independence against all enemies, foreign & domestic. I believe, specifically, God created "US" as a hedge of protection around the Nation Israel. Zech. 12:1-4.
---Leon on 8/29/14


It looks like one beast died and the others lost their superpower status.

Let them who have ears...
---aka on 8/27/14

Ha. Like Paul Harvey said...the rest of story. The end explains the beginning of a story usually. (I rarely research Revelations because of the warnings)
Thank you Lord for AKA's logical distillation. The wine goes fine with the steak.
Mat_9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
---Trav on 8/29/14


Amen Leon. I love God and country. This is the only nation that is a Christian nation founded on Godly principals. We give, give, give and they still hate us.the enemy comes to america for an education then go back to where they came from and use it against us. Something ain't right about this scene.
---shira4368 on 8/28/14


"leon, your praise is for the US...mine is for the Lord.

dan 12 As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time...

thank God for the Answer to all forms OF GOVT. and authority of the UN and the US' (or any other man made entity) lack of ability to achieve everlasting peace and love.[?!!!]
---aka on 8/28/14"


"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion." (Pv. 18:2)

"Do you see a man who is hasty in his words? There is more hope for a fool than for him." (Pv. 29:20)
---Leon on 8/28/14


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leon, your praise is for the US...mine is for the Lord.

dan 12 As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time...

thank God for the Answer to all forms OF GOVT. and authority of the UN and the US' (or any other man made entity) lack of ability to achieve everlasting peace and love.
---aka on 8/28/14


"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion." (Pv. 18:2)

"Do you see a man who is hasty in his words? There is more hope for a fool than for him." (Pv. 29:20)


"America is the only legitimate global superpower...Our singular state is one of the primary reasons certain countries are insisting the U.S. get United Nations sanctions before acting. [It's] an effort to subordinate America to this world organization." (Source: Dr. Nelson L. Price, D.D.)

Were it not for the "SUPER POWERFUL" USA, facist, communist, jihadist & otherwise anarchist would've overrun & completely dominated the world decades ago. THANK GOD FOR THE USA!
---Leon on 8/28/14


Leon...my turn again.

Daniel 7:11-12 ESV

"... the beast was killed, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire. As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time."

It looks like one beast died and the others lost their superpower status.

Let them who have ears...
---aka on 8/27/14


"Keep reminding Gods people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words, it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth."
2 Timothy 2:14-15 (NIV)
---Leon on 8/27/14


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//(Dan. 7:4)// leon


Verse gymnastics! my turn...

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

bear can stand on two feet LIKE a human.

there is a creature that was like a lion with the wings eradicated. so, it still had a mouth like a lion.

AND

in daniel, the mind of a HUMAN was given to it. in rev, dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

---aka on 8/27/14


"...Four great beasts... came up out of the sea [of humanity].

The first was like a lion, & it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off & it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a human being, & the mind of a human was given to it... (Dan. 7:4)

"Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of JUDAH, the Root of David, has triumphed..." (Rev. 5:5)

You are a lion's cub, JUDAH, you return from the prey, my son. Like a lion he crouches & lies down..." (G49:9)

"Anyone with ears to hear should listen & understand!" (Matt. 11:15, NLT)
---Leon on 8/25/14


Deu_28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth, a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand,

could be the USA. it says eagle.
---aka on 8/25/14

If it is America....my thought is it will be China as the invader.
Google all areas of our blessings....it is apparent they are gobbling them as fast as we are deteriorating.
The sheep, just keep being sheep. Sheep will be sheared over and over and over. We elect and allow imposter wolves/mongrels for shepherds and seem to love it..... in that we do not bleat against it very loudly or collectively.
---Trav on 8/25/14


Deu_28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth, a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand,

could be the USA. it says eagle.

Hos 8:1 Set the trumpet to thy mouth. He shall come as an eagle against the house of the LORD, because they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law.

could be the USA. it says eagle.
---aka on 8/25/14


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Is the United States of America spoken of anywhere in the Bible?
---Leon on 8/19/14

There are over 70 scriptural blessings that the U.States has claimed.
Mineral wealth, water, safety, power, safety etc,etc.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, the ordinances of the moon the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar, LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Some signs when there are no signs.
Psa_74:9 We see not our signs: there is no more any prophet: neither is there among us any that knoweth how long.
---Trav on 8/25/14


i wonder about the superpower status of a nation that trades five well know dangerous terrorists for one american deserter.

we have a nation now where presidents and judges can supersede the constitution. the federal government has gained control of a country that was run by the states and the feds have neither interest in the states' rights nor the checks and balance system of democracy. although never perfect, how we became a super-power no longer exists.

i thought the belief that this verse applies to the US was virtually dead. do you also still believe in the "budding of the fig tree" scam?

you can keep citing verses that have eagle in it, but you cannot produce one that says bald eagle.
---aka on 8/25/14


"...Four great beasts... came up out of the sea [of humanity].

The first was like a lion, & it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off & it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a human being, & the mind of a human was given to it... (Dan. 7:4)

"Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of JUDAH, the Root of David, has triumphed..." (Rev. 5:5)

You are a lion's cub, JUDAH, you return from the prey, my son. Like a lion he crouches & lies down..." (G49:9)


"Anyone with ears to hear should listen & understand!" (Matt. 11:15, NLT)
---Leon on 8/25/14


Leon,

your attempt to equalize a griffon vulture and a bald eagle is a bit sophomoric. If you go higher up the biological classification system, i am Kingdom: Animalia, Phylum: Chordata just as a bald eagle. but, i cannot fly and i prefer my fish cooked with white rice unlike an eagle that prefers sushi with the skin on and no rice.

At some point, the two birds differ. and just because they are of the same group does not mean that they have the same dietary habits. in fact, through you logic, i should like carrion because the vulture and i are in the same kingdom and phylum.

your definition of superpower is noted. we were once a superpower in definition and practice...
---aka on 8/25/14


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Bald eagle and griffin vulture
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Aves
Order: Falconiformes
Family: Accipitridae

Eagle
Genus: Haliaeetus
Species: leucocephalus

Vulture
Genus: Gyps
Species: G. fulvus

Eagles feed off smaller birds and bats in the sky and small mammals and fish on the ground. All species of vulture are similar in the sense that they scavenge for their food whenever possible rather than killing it themselves. Vultures feed on the remains of dead animals a-z-animals
---aka on 8/24/14


"A superpower is a state with a dominant position in international relations and is characterized by its unparalleled ability to exert influence or project power on a global scale. This is done through the means of both military and economic strength, as well as diplomatic and soft power influence." (Source: Wikipedia)

See Zech. 12:1-9 regarding Jerusalem & Judah (remnant).
---Leon on 8/25/14


//eagles are mighty predators of live animals mainly of fish and other live animals. vultures are not birds of prey. they eat carrion, so they are scavengers. but, this does not mean they are not mighty.//

Exactly correct. The vulture in Israel is probably the Griffon Vulture (nesher, in Hebrew), a magnificent bird, can sour for hours having up to an eight foot wing span. An incredible bird.
---Rod4Him on 8/24/14


"The Accipitridae, one of the two major families within the order Accipitriformes (the diurnal birds of prey), are...small to large birds with strongly hooked bills & variable morphology based on diet. They feed on a range of prey...from insects to medium-sized mammals... [some] feeding on carrion... Accipitridae [are] found [world-wide]...

Many well-known birds, such as hawks, eagles, kites, harriers & Old World vultures are in this group."
(Source: Wikipedia)

"For they aren't all Israel which are of Israel, neither because they're the seed of Abraham are they all children but the children of promise are counted for the seed." Ro. 9:6-8.
---Leon on 8/24/14


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eagles are mighty predators of live animals mainly of fish and other live animals. vultures are not birds of prey. they eat carrion, so they are scavengers. but, this does not mean they are not mighty.

as far as super-power, when the verses were written, egypt was still a super power and their symbol is the golden eagle.

as far as the US, it was a super-power, now, it is a super resource (supply and police) for the earthly powers that are really in charge. the US and other nations are mentioned, in that, we will become part of the one-world government.
---aka on 8/24/14


Shira: Is. 40:31 speaks of strength that is found only in the Lord. Yes, the eagle is a bird, but it's a very special bird. If the Lord didn't enabling this majestic/mighty bird, it wouldn't be able to ascend & soar in heavenly heights & have purposeful superiority over other birds.

So it is with the USA (a world super power). Thus far a remnant of "we the people" are yet leaning & depending on God as "one nation [people] under God".

Some say the eagle is just a glorified vulture. Maybe! No one or nothing in the world is perfect. I tend to see the great bird as an integral part of God's waste management (sanitation) program. Look at all the global garbage we're dealing with in 2014. :)
---Leon on 8/23/14


//They will soar on wings like eagles,...//

Technically, that should be translated, "They will soar on wings like vultures,..."
---Rod4Him on 8/23/14


It only means eagles are birds and they are all over the world.---shira4368on 8/23/14

Shira... the bald eagle was not specifically named in the bible. In fact, the bird named in the bible was really bald unlike the bald eagle and it is probably some form of a vulture.

did you know the golden eagle is Egypt's and Afghanistan's and ... national bird...so don't those countries have a claim?

Trivia...the eagle (vulture) was considered an abomination (dietary) in deuteronomy
---aka on 8/23/14


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"...Israelites would be spread throughout the world in the future. G:17:6,7..."
---Steveng on 8/21/14

"[I'll] make you very fruitful, [I'll] make nations of you, & kings will come from you. [I'll] establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me & you & your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God & the God of your descendants after you." G17:6-7, NIV

Bowman Family History. English & Scottish: occupational name for an archer...distinguished from Bowyer, which denoted a maker or seller of the articles.

1955: Louis A. Bowman (1872-1959) was the 1st person to recite "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.
---Leon on 8/23/14


It only means eagles are birds and they are all over the world.
---shira4368 on 8/23/14


Leon,

Just so that i can understand, because this scripture says eagle and the bald eagle is America's national bird, this means the US is mentioned in the bible?
---aka on 8/22/14


Thx for your noteworthy input Steveng.
---Leon on 8/22/14


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While waiting on a discussion to begin, I thought I'd post one of my favorite Bible versus:

"...but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint." (Isaiah 40:31, NIV)
---Leon on 8/21/14


Not directly by name, but read the following verses:

Genesis 10:5-35

Promise of multiple nations meaning that the Israelites would be spread throughout the world in the future. Genesis:17:6, 7
Genesis:28:13, 14
Genesis:35:11

The promises of global greatness to the descendants of Joseph would occur "in the last days"
Genesis:49

Joshua 23:4-13

Go to a searchable KJV bible and searc h for the word "nation."
---Steveng on 8/21/14


Kind of a silly question since USA did not come to be 'till 1776 !
---1stcliff on 8/19/14


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