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Gospel Home Visits

Some home visits to share the "gospel" from some denominations are not planned well or scripted while others are.

What are your experiences and what tactics did you formulate against certain callers based on those experiences?

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//triunity...This is another way of describing the pagan trinity.//

typical...jw lack of understanding and the lack of will to understand because the spell of WTS.

may God remember you and not your disregard for His sovereignty and disrespect. according to WTS, His council that is with him NOW includes Mr. Russell. I hope for your sake that God regards you better than you regard one of His 144,0000 chosen.

if you would like to discuss something other than the trinity, than let me know. we have already extinguished the hellfire debate many times.
---aka on 9/6/14


Aka- you should be far more worried about the 'triunity' you believe in. Elsewhere you stated:

'No, i am no trinitarian. i believe in triunity'

This is another way of describing the pagan trinity. Trinitarians need to care where their trinity (or triunity) doctrine came from. If you're so worried about Russell, you need to investigate the trinity's instigator pagan Emperor Constantine- he will give nightmares! He is far more likely to have danced around satanic idols.

I know you and others here are desperate to pin something sinister on the WTS. But you ignore the elephant in the room- that the "father" of the triunity- Constantine- was a Satanist and a pagan heathen!
---David8318 on 9/6/14


Quite frankly I couldn't care less what Russell did...
---David8318 on 9/3/14

No truer words were ever spoken on CNet. It is the WTS about which JWs really need to care.
---aka on 9/4/14


It is a false teaching.
---David8318 on 9/3/14

John 14:10-11 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?...but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves"

2 Cor. 3:17 "Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty"

1 Cor. 2:11 "For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God"

Father, Son, Holy Spirit with mutual indwelling being one in relationship.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/3/14


'You people cannot build on a pagan or Masonic foundation & be free'- adetunji.

Well you had better abandon the pagan trinity and start over because neither you or Cluny have given any scripture to show the "Holy Trinity" has any basis in scripture.

You hide behind Cluny saying, 'Cluny had earlier given you at least 3 references to the Holy Trinity in H.Bible'- adetunji.

Where has Cluny given any scriptural references to the "Holy Trinity" on this blog? Cluny has not shown any scripture references, and neither have you. Your "Holy Trinity" is un-Biblical and pagan in origin.

Jesus did not worship a triune God neither did he speak of a 'trinity'. It is a false teaching.
---David8318 on 9/3/14




//What's wrong with Russell giving sermons? Is it wrong to give a sermon? //

David8, again, i have no malice towards you. I just suggested reading Mr. Russell's sermons. There is nothing at all wrong with reading his exact discourses so we can discuss without suspicion or hatred.

You have no reason to be defensive. in doing the Father's will, you are free.
---aka on 9/3/14


Davidson8318:
// Quite frankly I couldn't care less what Russell did. He might have danced around an idol with dead chickens for all I care. JW's are not based on one individual. //

You have to care.
The Lord Jesus said, "Matt.7:17-18 ..neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. "
You people cannot build on a pagan or Masonic foundation & be free.
If you people want to be free, you have to,
(1) register new name(s) not JW or WTS.
(2) Abandon the "Bible " that stemmed from CT Russell ministry.
(3) Commission your own new interpretation of the H.Bible from original scripts or adopt one of those that do not have strange modifications or meanings.

You people need a new start.
---Adetunji on 9/3/14


For you were called to freedom, brethren, only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another. (Galatians 5:13-15)
---learner2 on 9/3/14


'i do not understand why you include me'- aka.

Because you like adetunji and luke are trying to pin the lie on Russell (and by implication JW's) that he was a mason.

I stated Russell had 'no association with Masons during his lifetime'. You were quick to reply... 'that i will cover later'.

What 'evidence' do you have other than the fact that Russell gave sermons to masons as he did to Catholics and Protestants?

Quite frankly I couldn't care less what Russell did. He might have danced around an idol with dead chickens for all I care. JW's are not based on one individual. The Bible Students from the late 1800's onward identified the apostasy rampant in Christendom (eg.trinity/hellfire) and progressed from there.
---David8318 on 9/3/14


David,
for your information the life of Charles Russell has been given by many members of the Jehovah Witnesses, either from those still there or from those who have left. There are records of his writings and his life, and his divorce from his wife. Now you might not believe any of it, but it is there for all to read. You place your foundation on a man, who didn't even know Greek or Hebrew, yet lied for so many years. You should stand back, take a deep breath, and open your mind to the truth.
---Luke on 9/3/14




David8318:

// Well I'm still waiting for adetunji to show me//

Cluny had earlier given you at least 3 references to the Holy Trinity in H.Bible but you did not believe.
125 words are short to gather together the acts of God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit in the Bible.
If you did not believe the 3 verses Cluny stated, you will not believe if I tell you more.
I will not blame you very much as you may be unaware the your so called "JW Bible" has been prepared with lies to lead many of you to Hell.
That is why you were taught, "hell doesn't exist ".
Please don't wait till you're there before you believe us.
---Adetunji on 9/3/14


'you are not going to listen'- aka.

Listen to what aka? To your twisted biased views of Russell and JW's? Pyramidology, like the trinity, Christmas, Easter etc... have all been identifed by JW's over the years as pagan, and have abandoned those false doctrines.

What's wrong with Russell giving sermons? Is it wrong to give a sermon? The Christian apostle Paul preached in the markets and 'synagogues'- Ac.9:20. But did that mean Paul had returned to Judasim? Of course not! Russell likewise preached to Catholics, Protestants and Masons alike- particularly defending the Bible against the trinity and hellfire. But doing so didn't make him a Catholic or Mason anymore than Paul preaching in Synagogues sent him back to Judaism!
---David8318 on 9/3/14


'Christianity... never ever drifted into anything evil'- adetunji.

Oh yes it has. The apostle Paul warned about an apostasy at 2Thess.2:3 of which adetunji perpetuates with his apostate pagan hellfire doctrine and pagan "Holy Trinity" dogma.

Jehovah's Witnesses have nothing to do with adetunji's apostate & pagan cult.

I've asked adetunji to show me specifically where in the Bible can I find "Holy Trinity" to which adetunji holds so dear and to which he strangely believes "it" is waiting for me.

Well I'm still waiting for adetunji to show me. As adetunji is as impotent as his trinity dogma, I'm not going to hold my breath.
---David8318 on 9/3/14


David8318:
// was/is used by many Churches during that era of which the Bible Students had yet to realise was pagan in origin. //

Your lies can only impress you & your clones.!
You have accepted JW pagan connection.
Christianity (always on the solid Rock, Jesus Christ) never ever drifted into anything evil but JW whose origin is not godly is still dancing in evil till today.
In which chapter of the Holy Book is pyramidology? "Bible students " indeed?
---Adetunji on 9/2/14


There are certainly a lot of interesting and also angry people around here. God be with you all. God is love.
---learner2 on 9/2/14


David8, i do not understand why you include me. I have just been stating fact. also, i do not understand how one move on from a system of belief based on CT Russell's teachings. What does this say about the WTS?

i have taken a new view. if you are in the WTS, you are not going to listen, and, if you are a JW, you cannot listen because of WTS. I apologize and I hope you are delivered from a system that was abandoned by the Society.

If you are interested and are allowed, please read: PASTOR RUSSELL'S CONVENTION DISCOURSES
A collection of sermons, testimony meetings, special services by Pastor Charles T. Russell as found in the "Convention Reports from 1906-1916...an exhaustive account of his...1912 WORLD MISSIONARY TOUR.
---aka on 9/2/14


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See Learner2? I told you you were going to bring something much needed to the table! You... :)
---Leon on 9/2/14


Learner2- I agree. This blog has been hyjacked by unscrupulous people who do not want to join in with the discussion on this blog and would rather villify a dead individual with lies and false allegations.

I responded to a bloggers comment (darlene) who was surprised why a Jehovah's Witness visiting her left after she told him that Revelation spoke of 'hell'. I asked darlene to show me where the word 'hell' appears in Revelation. Darlene has been unable to do so, perhaps the reason why the JW left so quickly.

Luke, aka and adetunji have all failed to argue the point and instead resort to lies and false allegations directed to a dead Bible Student- Charles Russell.
---David8318 on 9/2/14


Aka, it is widely known the Bible Students were interested in Pyramidology during the early 1900's. As were other Christian churches. Like many false teachings such as Pyramidology, the trinity, hellfire, imortal soul, the cross etc... Jehovah's Witnesses have left these false/incorrect teachings behind.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not view teachings of Pyramidology or the trinity as having anything to do with the Bible. We've moved on from those beliefs.

However, it appears you, adetunji, luke and darlene are still stuck in the past and in pagan beliefs of trinity and hellfire which in my view are Satanic in origin and far worse crimes against the Holy Bible than pyramidology.
---David8318 on 9/2/14


//It was not a request by Russell, his family or the WTS.//

Program of the 1921 Annual Meeting of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society: "The Pyramid monument erected at the grave of Brother Russell was sketched by Brother J.A. Bohnet and approved by Brother Russell several years ago. It was his desire that such a monument be erected on this lot and he set about to procure the materials before his death."

However, Russell's successor, Joseph F. Rutherford denounced pyramidology in 1928 as not only unscriptural, but inspired by the Devil. ... to this day are both non-supportive and unfamiliar with Russell's views on pyramidology. The other side known as Bible Students continue to study Russell's writings...
---aka on 9/1/14


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'(The) inscription on the grave says, "The Laodecian Messenger'- aka.

So despite adetunji's persistent lies, there is nothing masonic on Russell's gravestone.

Does the pyramid you refer to state "Here lies Charles Russell"? No! The pyramid is not Russell's grave.

The pyramid was erected by a J Bohnet in the 1920's, years after Russell's death, not as a memorial to Russell but as a Memorial to certain Bible Students. It was not a request by Russell, his family or the WTS.

The cross and crown was not exclusively masonic and was/is used by many Churches during that era of which the Bible Students had yet to realise was pagan in origin. JW's today recognise its pagan origin and no longer use the c & c.
---David8318 on 9/1/14


I'm sorry if I am missing something, but what does this discussion have to do with home visits by churches?
---learner2 on 9/1/14


Adetunji- you are perpetuating lies to avoid discussing the topic under discussion regarding hellfire. Ive been variously accused of hyjacking blogs but you take the biscuit on this one.

I don't have to justify myself but I have been to the site of Russell's grave 25+years ago. Out of curiosity, not because of any "masonic" allegations or pilgrimage. There were certainly no masonic symbols on his grave or gravestone. Aka refers to a pyramid which does contain masonic symbols but which was not commissioned by Russell, his family or the WTS, & built years after Russell's burial.

You can lie about the dead and fabricate all you want about someones gravestone if thats your bent in life. But God 'hates' liars- Pr.6:16-19.
---David8318 on 9/1/14


'The Holy Trinity is waiting on you'- adetunji.

This is another of your pagan lies and mythologies adetunji. You must repent or receive the wrath of Jehovah God Almighty for hiding his name and confusing Him with a pagan triune deity.

Of course, the founder of your "Holy Trinity"- Emperor Constantine- was an out and out Pagan. Not only that you have to use Plato's Hellenic philosophies to explain God in terms of a "3 in 1" trinity.

"Holy Trinity" does not appear in the scriptures in any language. You speak the language of lies and the anti-christ. I will repent if you can show me in the Bible where 'Holy Trinity' appears.
---David8318 on 9/1/14


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//Aka- thank you for pointing out that Charles Russell has a 'humble' non-masonic grave//

i am glad that you put humble in quotes for I was referring to its size. it inscription on the grave says, "The Laodecian Messenger."

//[The pyramid] also has nothing to do with the WTS.//

It has WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY (emphasis not added)

//In fact, there is no "body" under the pyramid.//

on another face of the pyramid that says, "RISEN WITH CHRIST." and if he is the Seventh angel of the churches in Rev, there would be no body anywhere.

//The notion that Russell had any association with the Masons during his life is completely baseless.//

that i will cover later.
---aka on 9/1/14


David8318:

// The pyramid near his grave was not requested by Charles Russell or by his family.//

(1) the dead do not perform their funeral rites on this earth.
(2) his family members will not request for such things if they themselves are not Mason members,
(3) but the cult he belongs to till death must fulfill their agreed obligations to him even at his demise.
(4) please ask God for forgiveness for the bad names you have called me for telling you the truth.
---Adetunji on 9/1/14


David8318:

It is obvious to all reading us who is a liar between you & I.
While you think you can deceive us that you have been to the gravesite & there was no c & c Masonic signs there, i thank God that Aka has been there & has testified that the signs are actually there.
Please repent and quit the group that taught you to lie.
The Holy Trinity is waiting on you
---Adetunji on 9/1/14


Aka- thank you for pointing out that Charles Russell has a 'humble' non-masonic grave.

The pyramid near his grave was not requested by Charles Russell or by his family. It also has nothing to do with the WTS. In fact, there is no "body" under the pyramid.

It was erected years after Russell was buried by some erroneously claiming some members of the WTS had links to the Masons. The notion that Russell had any association with the Masons during his life is completely baseless.

The Greater Masonic Center you refer to did not exist when Russell was buried.

Evidently, adetunji and luke cannot argue the point so must drag up internet lies on the dead. Weak arguments for weak minds!
---David8318 on 9/1/14


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Aka- I've already been to the grave site at Rosemont Cemetary. Its a simple headstone...

It turns out i am from near Pittsburgh, PA. Rosemont United Cemetery [226 Cemetery Ln., Pittsburgh, PA 15237 Tel (412) 931-1017] owned by WTS does have a humble headstone for Mr. Russell.

If you are at the grave site again, just turn around and you can see a seven foot pyramid erected in his name with cross & crown emblem on all four sides and capstone. Off in the near distance is The Greater Pittsburgh Masonic Center, 3579 Masonic Way, Pittsburgh, PA 15237.
---aka on 8/31/14


Aka- I've already been to the grave site at Rosemont Cemetary. Its a simple headstone with none of the rubbish lies adetunji spots.

Its indicative of a sick mind to lie about the dead. If adetunji can lie about the dead, he won't have quams spouting lies about the Bible.
---David8318 on 8/31/14


--Adetunji... you're spouting usual internet lies--

Since truth cannot be verified on internet neither can Internet denials.

Let's meet at his grave site.
---aka on 8/31/14


Adetunji... you're spouting usual internet lies.

You need to get out more and get a life!
---David8318 on 8/31/14


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Luke- and it is you and your cult who promote the pagan teaching of hell and eternal damnation. You don't teach what is in the Bible and you twist Jesus' words at matthew 25:46 to fit your pagan mytholological hellfire teaching. As aka pointed out beloew your hellfire teaching is from pagan Greco-Roman mythologies.

You can scowl and growl about JW's all day long. I'm thankful for people such as C T Russell who stood up to the likes of your cult fantasies and exposed your corrupt henious pagan teachings for what they are... un-Biblical and un-Christian.

While Russell and othe Bible Students were leading people to the Bible in the years leading up to 1914, your pathetic cultist hell-bent croonies were leading people to War.
---David8318 on 8/31/14


David8318:
Charles Russell was linked to Freemasonry.
(1) he used Mason symbol on documents.
(2) Mason symbols were marked on his gravesite.
(3) he shared grips (secret handshakes) with cult members while denying their membership
(4) he used Masonic hall in San Francisco for his teaching meetings.
(5) A pyramid (occult symbol) is erected on his grave-site marked with a cross/ crown sign of the Masons.
(6) he testified in court that he doesn't understand Hebrew & Greek but claim to his followers to have better interpretations of the original Bible scripts.
(7) his leadership style was dictatorial.
All the above are available on the internet, you are in the wrong camp David, come out.
---Adetunji on 8/31/14


David,
if you were an honest man, you would not need to change the meaning of the Greek words. There will be hell to pay, and that punishment is everlasting which means it goes on and on, it does not stop.
It is you who brings heretic beliefs from the Jehovah Witnesses. Following your master Charles Russell. You guys keep getting new revelations every time your religion is found to be wrong.
You do not have to believe in hell where all heretics are going, but not believing in hell, does not change the Truth, that there is a place will all false teachers will go, and it is not heaven. Agape
---Luke on 8/31/14


'Tartarus, in ancient Greek mythology... is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked... In Roman mythology, Tartarus is the place where sinners are sent'- aka.

As aka points out, the idea the 'dead' are consciously punished in 'hell' is from pagan Greco-Roman mythologies.

Far from promoting pagan myths, the Bible teaches the dead are unconscious, or 'asleep' in death (Eccs.9:5,10, Jo.11:11) and are judged during Christ's 1000 yr reign (Rev.20:12).

'According to Plato, Tartarus is the place where souls were judged after death and where the wicked received punishment'- aka.

In addition adopting Plato's idea of 'hell', Christendom also used his philosophy of metaphysics to understand the pagan trinity.
---David8318 on 8/30/14


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Cluny: "There are no such things as a pre-trib rapture and literally earthly millennium."

You give false accusations, again. I didn't say there was a pre-trib.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [talking about the when the dead in Christ shall rise and the livng shall be caught up with the dead]. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison...

Then read Rev 20 verses 12 to the end of the book.
---Steveng on 8/29/14


'both have eternal life'- luke.

Again, at Mt.25:46 Jesus used the Greek word 'aionios' with regard to the punishment the wicked receive. Not that the wicked recieve everlasting life to experience that punishment. It is lukes indoctrination into the pagan teaching of hellfire that leads him into believing everlasting life is given to the wicked.

'Aion' is applied to the life the righteous recieve as oposed to the punishment the wicked recieve. Neither darlene nor luke have shown specifically where the wicked are granted everlasting lfe in heaven or hell.

Of course the lake of fire is not of 'this universe'. It is not literal! Just as the '7 headed 10 horned wild beast' is not literal.
---David8318 on 8/30/14


// Whatever english equivalent you want to use, Jesus at Matthew 25:46 states clearly the punishment is everlasting. Everlasting or eternal life is given only to the righteous. Neither darlene or luke have yet shown where eternal life is given to wicked people.//

The Greek word "aion" refers to an age or time. The word "aionios" means eternal as far as time. Since the words "eternal" and "everlasting" have the same time, then both have eternal life, one in heaven the other in hell or "the lake of fire" whichever image you want to use.
Cluny is correct
"But, as I keep telling you, since spiritual things are spiritually discerned, you can't be expected to understand this."
---Luke on 8/29/14


\\The 'lake of fire' is literal!? Really!?\\

Yes.

It's just not earthly, or even of this universe.

But, as I keep telling you, since spiritual things are spiritually discerned, you can't be expected to understand this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/29/14


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'the Greek word is "Alonios" '- luke.

It is 'aionios'. Whatever english equivalent you want to use, Jesus at Matthew 25:46 states clearly the punishment is everlasting. Everlasting or eternal life is given only to the righteous. Neither darlene or luke have yet shown where eternal life is given to wicked people.

'hell, the lake of fire... Who cares what the literal place is really called'- luke (8/27/14).

The 'lake of fire' is literal!? Really!? (Rev.20:10). So the '7 headed, 10 horned wild beast' which is hurled into the lake of fire is also literal!? Has luke seen this 'wild beast' in a zoo somewhere?

Of course neither the wild beast nor the lake of fire are literal. They are both symbolisms.
---David8318 on 8/29/14


\\I have yet to be shown where the wicked recieve eternal life.\\

Eternal life is the same kind of life that God has. It has nothing to do with length, rather with quality.

The same has to do with punishment.

However, since spiritual things are spiritually discerned, I don't expect you to understand this, Lawrence.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/29/14


//Matthew 25:46 clearly states only the righteous receive eternal life. Jesus does not say wicked people are given eternal life, only that the punishment is everlasting.

The difference of opinion is how the wicked are punished. Are the wicked given eternal life in hell, as darlene believes?//

David, you err for not using the Greek words.
The word "Everlasting" is the same Greek word for "eternal."
Darline is correct, the Greek word is "Alonios" meaning eternal, belonging to "aion." Time in it's duration, that is, constant, abiding, eternal. Everlasting is used when referring to eternal life, the life which is God's and hence not affected by the limitation of time.
---Luke on 8/29/14


'That means the punishment is never ending as the bliss of the righteous'- Luke.

I agree, it is the punishment which is everlasting.

Matthew 25:46 clearly states only the righteous receive eternal life (NIV). Jesus does not say wicked people are given eternal life, only that the punishment is everlasting.

The difference of opinion is how the wicked are punished. Are the wicked given eternal life in hell, as darlene believes? I have yet to be shown where the wicked recieve eternal life. As Jesus states at Mt.25:46, only the righteous receive life.
---David8318 on 8/28/14


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\\At the first resurrection, at the return of Jesus, the dead in Christ sahll rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead.

At the second resurrection, after the thousand year reign of Christ,\\

There are no such things as a pre-trib rapture and literally earthly millennium.

So the worldly denominational Church of Steveng is wrong again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/28/14


2 Peter 2:4...but sent them to hell, (the greek word used is Tartarus).

If you do not have a concordance, download esword (free). it is a free program that has many public domain versions available to download for free. the basic program comes with kjv and kjv+. kjv+ has the greek or hebrew words that are used. it uses strong's concordance, which some turn their nose at, but there are others that you can download for a nominal fee. nevertheless, it was a great start for me.

rita, you are very smart and have a true heart. you will benefit greatly.
---aka on 8/28/14


aka I have looked in several versions and none show the word Tatarus in 2 Peter 2:4. They say this "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment," That particular one is NIV b.t.w. What version are you using???
---Rita_H on 8/28/14


Rita h

2 Peter 2:4
---aka on 8/27/14


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At the first resurrection, at the return of Jesus, the dead in Christ sahll rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead.

At the second resurrection, after the thousand year reign of Christ, all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the book of life according to their works on earth - some to everlasting life, some to everlasting death.

How could a loving and merciful God make a new heaven and a new earth and have people tortured for eternally?
---Steveng on 8/27/14


Tartarus, in ancient Greek mythology, is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. In the Iliad, "As far below Hades as the earth is below the heavens." , According to Plato, Tartarus is the place where souls were judged after death and where the wicked received punishment.

In Roman mythology, Tartarus is the place where sinners are sent. Virgil describes it in the Aeneid as a gigantic place, surrounded by the flaming river Phlegethon and triple walls to prevent sinners from escaping from it.

draw your own conclusions.

trivia: Paul was Saul of Tarsus. Guess where that city may have got its name?
---aka on 8/27/14


'JW don't believe in punishment or maybe I should say real punishment'- darlene.

So darlene believes 'real' punishment is to be burned for eternity in a henious hell-fire. Such a brutal mis-interpretation of divine judgment is taught in all pagan, non-Christian religions such as Islam.

On the contrary, the Bible teaches burning people in fire is 'detestable' to God- Jer.7:31.

God does not punish someone for the rest of eternity for a mere 70/80 years of being a sinner. God's judgments are commensurate with the degree of sin and tempered with His mercy- Mt.18:23-35. At death a sinner is 'acquitted' from his sin- Rom.6:7.

God's judgment of the dead occurs during Christ's 1000 year reign- Rev.20:11,12.
---David8318 on 8/27/14


David8318, in which part of the bible can I read about Tatarus?
---Rita_H on 8/27/14


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'God did not spare angels when they sinned,but sent them to hell'- darlene.

This is clearly false. God sent them to 'Tatarus' which is no where described as 'hell' or a burning place of torture. Rather Peter describes it as a place of 'dense darkness'! No flames here then!

But as anticipated, darlene is unable to show where in Revelation the word 'hell' or the concept of 'hell' is taught. No wonder the JW "got the girl and leave in a hurry". He didn't want the girl to be infected with darlene's poisionous pagan hellfire propaganda.

It maybe darlene's opinion that death is not a punishment. But I challenge darlene to show me where the Bible teaches the wicked are punished with everlasting life in heaven or hell!
---David8318 on 8/27/14


BTW, David, if you think I'm a heretic, that means my doctrines are sound.

Your reproaches merely bless me and increase my heavenly treasure.

Keep it up.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/27/14


David "Assuming","little tale",that's the same as calling me a liar,that's hateful,it was my life experience and told 100% true. Actually just dying is no punishment,everybody does that and like I said JW don't believe in punishment or maybe I should say real punishment as the Bible gives. I quote Revelations because it tells the fate of sinners so does 2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned,but sent them to hell,putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgement,(it continues). There are many other verses about going to hell for sin. You calling me liar doesn't change a thing and it doesn't erase the Bible and that is the ultimate truth. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/27/14


David,
when we call hell the place where the wicked will go, it is just an image of the place. The Lake of fire is also an image, and so the place of fir and brimstone is another image of the place where the wicked will go. But it was good you gave (Matt. 25:46) because in that passage, "everlasting punishment and eternal life" the same Greek word is used. That means the punishment is never ending as the bliss of the righteous. The wicked are not given a second chance, nor are they annihilated. So no matter where you find those words like hell, the lake of fire, and the place of fire and brimstone, it only means they are images of the real place where they will go. Who cares what the literal place is really called.
---Luke on 8/27/14


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Jesus set an example by the women at the well, a Samaritan. By reaching out to the Samaritans, whom the jews hated, Jesus preached to all who would listen, not just the Jews. The Samaritans believed and were saved

Unfortunatly, christians tend to judge others because of stereotypes, customs or prejudices while Jesus treated people as individuals, accepting them with love and compassion.
---Steveng on 8/26/14


\\You won't get Cluny sharing the gospel with anyone ...\\

Wrong again,k as in everything you say about me.

Which of my beliefs expressed on here are heresies:

1. That God is 3 Persons of One essence?

2. That Jesus Christ is true God and true Man?

3. That He was crucified, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven, and is coming again as judge?

**Why would anyone waste a postage stamp if they are placing the item directly into a person's mailbox?**

Because that's the law in the USA, Rita.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/26/14


aka, Here's one experience I had when calling on households
when I previously represented the WTBT Society (immaterial)
I was in conversation with a gentleman I asked if he believed in the trinity, he turned around and called to his wife "Honey, do we believe in the trinity?"
She answered back "Yes"
He said to me " Yes we do!"
The general population doesn't have a clue!
---1stcliff on 8/26/14


"Why do you keep quoting Revelations"- Darlene.

Assuming your little tale is correct, can you tell me why you kept quoting Revelation when trying to prove the existence of the pagan "hell-fire" doctrine.

Please show me where the word "hell" or the teaching of being burned in hellfire appears in Revelation?

No doubt you confuse the Bible teaching of 'the lake of fire' (Rev.20) with the pagan teaching of 'hell'.

Contrary to your misleading opinions, JW's do believe the wicked will be punished as the Bible teaches. But not with life in heaven or 'hell'. Their punishment will be eternal death- Pr.10:11, Mt.25:46.
---David8318 on 8/26/14


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KarenD that's funny and wise. When my children were small a JW came to my door with a little girl. I thought they were collecting funds for a city charity which was on then so I ask him in. I was sewing so I went back to it and told him to tell me about it,then I found out what he was. Every time he told me there was no hell I quoted Revelations to him knowing his view of no punishment. He got upset with me coming back with the Bible to give the truth and I was young too,he said "Why do you keep quoting Revelations" and I answered "Because it's part of the Bible". Boy did he get the girl and leave in a hurry and to say the least I was glad to get rid him. I believe God directed my answers and I praise Him for it. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/26/14


You won't get Cluny sharing the gospel with anyone because he is inept at understanding scriptural truths. Cluny is a false-odox preacher of Catholic heresies. Cluny is simply a Catholic without a pope. "Orthodoxy" is Catholicism rebranded.

Laughably Cluny says 'I've tangled with 'em two at a time, (JW's) and do not come out second'. Whenever he 'tangles' with me he usually scarpers with a cursory remark- 'dogs bark, the caravan moves on'.

Are the dogs barking now Cluny?
---David8318 on 8/26/14


"Nothing should be put in someone's mail box without a first class stamp on it."

Why would anyone waste a postage stamp if they are placing the item directly into a person's mailbox?
---Rita_H on 8/26/14


I find if you share the Gospel there is no problem. When I pushed my religion there was conflict. But when I just shared the Gospel knowing that the person I'm looking at has the same amount of faith as I do. Not saying my way is the right way but just sharing the love of God with them turns more hearts to and back to the Lord. But to share the Gospel the way it should be shared, best be filled with the Holy Spirit. Cause your in the enemies camp. Jesus said don't do it without the Holy Spirit. That way when unbelievers see the power of God flowing out of you they will have no excuse. For not believing God is true to his word.
---Bryan on 8/26/14


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When JWs knock on our door, I answer it and say to my preacher husband, "Honey it's for you."
---KarenD on 8/26/14


Cluny, I do not attend "church".
---1stcliff on 8/26/14


Leon, as the Lord leads
use of Rehearse in a post
to practice, drill, train for performance or part, relate particulars, recount.
rehercier re- +hercier strike, harrow (from herce, herse a harrow)
hearse:vehicle for conveying dead person to place of burial or worship
frame holding candles.canopy over tomb.
Origin
"long rake, harrow," "harrow," from Oscan hirpus "wolf," in allusion to its teeth. Wordmay be related to L. hirsutus "shaggy, bristly." resembled a harrow, large rake forbreaking soil. Extended to other frameworks built over dead people, then to "vehicle for carrying a body," first recorded 1650.
---chria9396 on 8/26/14


\\Baptists and other evangelicals just leave a tract in the mail box,perhaps not "grounded" enough in scripture to discuss it.\\

Nothing should be put in someone's mail box without a first class stamp on it.

\\Go into any denominational church and state your beliefs and they will descend on you like the plague !
That's my experience !
---1stcliff on 8/25/14
\\

Would that happen to me if I visited YOUR denominational church, 1stcliff?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/14


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Baptists and other evangelicals just leave a tract in the mail box,perhaps not "grounded" enough in scripture to discuss it.
Mormons come two at a time well rehearsed.
JWs know only what's written by the "Society"
Televangelists yell at you through the TV (before begging for money)
Go into any denominational church and state your beliefs and they will descend on you like the plague !
That's my experience !
---1stcliff on 8/25/14


When gospel visitors come to my door, I invite them in, and respectfully listen to their message, but I make it a two-way conversation, sharing with them my own beliefs about Jesus, and my reasons for my beliefs. I think it might be called "planting a seed."
---Geraldine on 8/25/14


\\True, they immediately seek to dominate the conversation & are very adept at tag teaming you to maintain control\\

No, they are not. Trust me.

I've tangled with 'em two at a time, and do not come out second.

What I do is quote their own literature at them, show the contradictions, and ask, "When did the Organization lie to you?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/14


//Are you talking about Jehovah's False Witnesses, perchance?// cluny

i am talking about any experience that anybody has had and what was the tactical response as a result.
---aka on 8/25/14


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Christians should go into all the world "as the Lord leads" based on His word (Scripture), not some denominational designed & scripted outline of dos & don'ts. That's a definite turn off to people who are suspicious of your tactics & agenda in the first place.

Be for real (genuine), AS THE LORD LEADS, no matter where you go. Most people don't care about what you know. They want to know if you really care about them.

Jesus showed genuine care & concern. Shouldn't we?
---Leon on 8/25/14


Cluny: The JWs got their script down to a science. True, they immediately seek to dominate the conversation & are very adept at tag teaming you to maintain control. To effectively deal with them one must really know what's written in the Bible & then lovingly stand your ground (not argue) with them. "IT IS WRITTEN..."
---Leon on 8/25/14


Are you talking about Jehovah's False Witnesses, perchance?

The secret with them is not not allow them to control the conversation, which is what they will try to do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/14


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