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Frequently on the news are reports of American Christians who become mahometan and join ISIS or other terror groups. There was one such story on NBC news tonight.

What do you think deludes a Christian into rejecting Our Lord and embracing mahometanism?

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Apostles were not send only to the lost sheep....."Go therefore and "teach" all nations, .....(Matt. 28:19).
---Luke on 9/10/14

You changed the scripture...i corrected. Matt 10:6 and Matt 15:24
are specific. Which makes Matt 28:19 specific. Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31 specific testifying further. Unless your type of Disciples/Apostles disobeyed?? While you testify / approve disobedience....they didn't. Believing GOD is accepting what GOD does/says/prophecy's...no matter if we approve it, or understand.
A first step in faith. It is the first glimpse into freedom. One should desire to be free....foundationed on thousands of scriptural witnesses...chosen of GOD. Not men with sand for mortar.
---Trav on 9/12/14


\\Actually the Orthodox have to be saved through the Pope according to the RCC since he has the keys to heaven given to him by Peter on who the Church is built. \\

That's not what the RCC teaches about anybody.

But as I've frequently said, truth goes out the window when it's time to play BTC.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/12/14


Supposedly about 100 Americans have joined Isis.

Agape

---Samuelbb7 on 9/12/14

This is awful, but thank goodness 100 CHRISTIAN Americans haven't. that would be even worse. I wonder if some people have this idea that "American" and "Christian" are synonymous. that could explain it. I know many confuse the Cross for the Flag believing it is one in the same. I suppose if 100 Romans in 1300AD joined something like ISIS, someone like Cluny would say "100 Christians of Rome have joined ISIS".
---kathr4453 on 9/12/14


1 John 21:19, "were not of us", Romans 11:23 "God is able to graff them in again.", while you abide you are a Christian. If not, you are broken off.
---Nana on 9/11/14

You're verified in scripture Nana.
If it is written in the New Covenant "Testament", a Prophet foretold it. Now, some go against Prophets. Am not willing too myself. But, it was pointed out to me that my beliefs were at one time. Uniting todays doctines with the Prophets requires a search. Rewarding, yes. Popular....no.
The Grafting....we agree is done by GOD....recorded by prophet:
Eze 37:16-17 And join them one to another into one stick, they shall become one in thine hand.
---Trav on 9/12/14


///just don't believe that YOU have this discernment because spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

---Cluny on 9/11/14 ///

So this is a PERSONAL opinion based on YOUR discernment? Many here don't believe YOU have discernment.

Glory to Jesus!
---Anonymous on 9/12/14




Actually the Orthodox have to be saved through the Pope according to the RCC since he has the keys to heaven given to him by Peter on who the Church is built.

My church is built on JESUS CHRIST alone. As I am sure many others are also.

Supposedly about 100 Americans have joined Isis.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/12/14


\\What I do discern Cluny is your Orthodox AKA RCC ,tweaked here and there ,will never recognize those outside your circle as Christians.\\

Wrong again, as in everything else you say about me or Orthodoxy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/12/14


Cluny, in your world only the Orthodox are Christians. The only true followers who originally came from the original apostles. We all know where you come and why you are so nasty to anyone who is not just like you....the only true Christian.


SO, is it the Orthodox then turning to ISIS? This then would make more sense. In your thinking the only true Christian originated from that part of the world anyway. So you must be getting news from Allah land? Maybe they are joining them so they won't be murdered by them.

But no news of any Christians from America are joining ISIS, and not frequently either.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/14


What I do discern Cluny is your Orthodox AKA RCC ,tweaked here and there ,will never recognize those outside your circle as Christians. You have made that clear over and over to many on line here.

Go gum more sour grapes Cluny.
---kathr453 on 9/12/14


\\ Cluny believes the secular news Media KNOWS who is a Christian, \\

Wrong again. You're lying if you claimed I do believe this.

\\but a Christian has no discernment who is or isn't? \\

I just don't believe that YOU have this discernment because spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/11/14




If anyone knows of an American who joins Isis should turn them in. Who would we turn them in to? I don't know since our government is infiltrated with them. Them being in our government is no shock to me who would we turn them in to? Obama? Or are we to kill the enemy?
---shira4368 on 9/11/14


Good point Samuel, so Cluny believes the secular news Media KNOWS who is a Christian, but a Christian has no discernment who is or isn't? You will know them by their fruits. Murder and hate is not a fruit Christians possess, or even gradually developed over time. Those who do are not Christians, even in the most liberal term of the word.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/14


No Cluny I do not expect you to roll over and give up.

I hope for you to admit when you think I am right and tell me why you think I am wrong when you disagree.

I hope that you give a reason and support to your reason for saying I am wrong.

Some people look for a religion that thinks for them.

The news does not and cannot guess who is a Christian they just go on what they say.

Only GOD knows who the real Christians are and I remember JESUS telling us not to judge since we do not know a person's heart.

All we can say is this or that is incorrect or wrong.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/11/14


"Cat-loving" American suicide bomber in Syria from Florida.

OK nothing here about him being a Christian.

Can't find much else.

Anyone else know of Christians from America joining ISIS?
---kathr4453 on 9/11/14


//Trav sees himself as ... one of the lost sheep "of ISRAEL"//

that's conjecture. based on my dealings with trav, i can only guess. Trav has properly identified Jesus' mission to His Father's 12. but, we know, based on scripture, other things were working also for more than the 12.
---aka on 9/11/14


Cluny, I don't hate and I'm sure others don't hate either.

So the latest on the News is about a young woman who has been in several faiths over the last 6 months. If one FREQUENTLY hears the SAME news real over and over that is one thing. So FREQUENTLY on the news may only be someone who frequents the news all day listening to the same news report.

I hear the weather report frequently on the news, as I frequent the news.

But frequent means commonly, habitual, normally regularly OFTEN...the opposite being SERLDOM. So is this true We hear REGULARLY often and habitually Christians are joining ISIS?

Show where and who.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/14


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\\Cluny, we all know you spend endless hours here desperately trying to find someone to stone.\\

Don't you just hate it when I challenge you and don't roll over and admit you're right when you fire your first shot?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/11/14


These two were Christians, were they not?
1 Timothy 1:20 "Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

And if they were being delivered just for chastisement, what of 1 John 2:6 "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."

How about this,
Romans 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them."

1 John 21:19, "were not of us", Romans 11:23 "God is able to graff them in again.", while you abide you are a Christian. If not, you are broken off.
---Nana on 9/11/14


Luke, thank you, and yes, Trav sees himself as a Jew one of the lost sheep "of ISRAEL", separating Israel, as the House of Israel from the House of Judah, which brings another issue. Is he saying those in the House of Judah did not need salvation? Were they forbidden to go to those in Judah, Benjamin or Levites? and only the 10 of the Northern Kingdom? When asking these questions, he really gets his feathers in a tail spin, never answering them but only reply's in insults. Why does he believe HE is of one from the Northern Kingdom? and not simply a gentile who is now brought near by the BLOOD of Jesus Christ? Trav have you taken a DNA test to see if you have Joseph and Negroid blood in you? No DNA test can prove such things.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/14


Cluny, no you don't understand me correctly. A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ. The disciples were first called Christian in Antioch. Are you saying those who called the followers of Jesus Christ as arrogantly believing themselves to be God?

Cluny, we all know you spend endless hours here desperately trying to find someone to stone. Now if that isn't someone believing them-self as God, I don't know what.

Maybe limited SS and food stamps can only afford rotten grapes to eat, or maybe not abiding in His love has caused your grapes to wither and rot.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/14


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//When a News Media reports "A Christian" has converted to Islam, on what authority do they determine one who has Is in fact a Christian?

If they depart, they never were a Christian to begin with so says scripture.

Now just because many depart from the RCC or Orthodox Church, just may be because they actually became a Christian, or went the other way because of all the scandals!//

Kathr,
Your statement is correct. Also Trav, has been preaching Jews only salvation. That is why he keep putting down that Jesus only came for the lost sheep of Israel. But he forgets that Christ died for all those who believe by faith. Gentiles did not come into the picture as a whole until the Cross, when the curtain came down.
---Luke on 9/11/14


\\I KNOW what a true born again Christian is, is not a bold sweeping statement.\\

You're claiming to know what God Himself alone knows, but you're not arrogant.

Do I understand you properly?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/10/14


Trav, the NEW Covenant to the House of Judah and Israel is NOT the Everlasting covenant God made in Genesis 3:15 and further revealed to Abraham.

Gentiles were NEVER under the Old Covenant to be renewed by the New. Romans 4 make that perfectly clear and so does Galatians. Gentiles are under the Abrahamic Covenant AKA the Everlasting Covenant ..the one NOT promising land, but salvation... and was not done away or revised or renewed by any Old or New Covenant. Abel was not saved by any Old Covenant or New Covenant but the EVERLASTING Covenant.

So Trav, you believe what you want, and I will stick to scripture.
---kathr453 on 9/10/14


What do you think deludes a Christian into rejecting Our Lord and embracing mahometanism?
---Cluny on 9/3/14

What do you think? Or know?
They weren't Christian to begin with?
They were not sheep but Goats?
They were denied or did not realize the multiple witnesses provided in scripture?
They are Esau/Ishmaels family tree?
Gen_28:9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael,.....
Gen_16:12 And he will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

---Trav on 9/10/14


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i just have to let the scriptures that are already built to lead me and not try to build my own based on my limited knowledge of who i really am without the Savior Jesus.
---aka on 9/10/14


The New Testament never says that Gentile believers are of the ten northern tribes, AKA: Ephraimites? If Paul was the apostle to the Ephraimites, why didn't he say so? He said he was an apostle of Gentiles (Rom 11:13. Rom 15:16, 1 Timothy, 2:7)

Gentile Believers in Christ are beloved of God and do not need to invent, imagine or make up a false Jewish/Hebrew/Israel lineage to be saved. For God so Loved the WORLD, ever tribe tongue nation. Rahab a Canaanite, Ruth a Moabites, Job, Noah and so many more were Gentiles who were saved prior to the cross and prior to the formation of any northern kingdom called Ephraim.

Any doctrine that excludes is a CULT!
---kathr4453 on 9/10/14


So you were wrong in your research.
The Apostles were not send only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, they were sent to all the world,
---Luke on 9/10/14

O.K. I'm wrong for you, i accept.
Scripture is right, we'd agree.
Mat_25:32 before him shall be gathered all nations: he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from goats:
Mat_25:33 he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Eze_34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
---Trav on 9/10/14


Travs Two House controversial theology ......
---kathr4453 on 9/10/14

One might say you are in controversy with GOD and his well recorded split of the two houses.
Lets bring a prophet in for ya sis. Net-opinions are not fulfilling scripture.

Jer_31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, AND with the house of Judah:
Zec 11:13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.
Zec 11:14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.
---Trav on 9/10/14


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//Travs Two House controversial theology//

firstly, it is not travs. trav might believe this, but it is not his.

secondly, i used to wonder where trav was going with his posts. then, i pulled back, settled down, and read his posts and related scripture. these brought me to even more scripture that cements my belief that Jesus is the Christ. and, i was able to understand scripture that i already knew in a brighter Light.

you see, i believe that i will always see the shiny reflections of fool's gold, but, if i am truly searching for the Truth, the Lord will get you there despite myself. i do not have to prove anything to anyone...
---aka on 9/10/14


//"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19).//
Since the majority of Israel rejected Christ and his kingdom, the 12 never made it to the nations (ref Acts 8:1) So Paul was called to go to the nations(gentiles)(Acts 9)
Acts 10 Peter went(dragging his heels) to Cornelius, then back to Jerusalem. Acts 11 those scattered preached to Jew only>
---michael_e on 9/10/14


Travs Two House controversial theology among Messianic Jews.
Two House theology believe the phrase "House of Judah" in scripture refers to Jews, while "the House of Israel" refers to the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, or Ephraim. ---the reason so many "gentiles" are converting to Messianic Judaism is that the vast majority of them are truly Israelites. ---the Two House movement has many superficial similarities to Messianic Judaism, such as their belief in the ongoing validity of the Mosaic Covenant.--the biggest disagreements are due to inability to identify the genealogy of the Lost Tribes. Messianic Jewish Alliance of America and Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations opposed the Two House teaching
---kathr4453 on 9/10/14


Cluny to say I KNOW what a true born again Christian is, is not a bold sweeping statement. To accuse a Christian of not knowing what Christianity means is on your part totally arrogant...or just plain stupid!

When a News Media reports "A Christian" has converted to Islam, on what authority do they determine one who has Is in fact a Christian?

If they depart, they never were a Christian to begin with so says scripture.

Now just because many depart from the RCC or Orthodox Church, just may be because they actually became a Christian, or went the other way because of all the scandals!
---kathr4453 on 9/10/14


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"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19).
---Luke on 9/10/14

Absolutely correct Luke, AMEN. The argument here with Trav is some strange doctrine he quotes over and over before Jesus death and resurrection, overlooking the CROSS and the resurrection side of the Gospel. Yet he screamed foul when I pointed out he does not himself understand the Gospel or the CROSS!

I'm not sure what denomination Trav belongs to, possibly Messianic Jews, which are 99 % gentiles who thing they are Jews seeing themselves as the lost sheep of Israel. AND further investigation tells us most do not believe in the Deity of Christ.
---kathr453 on 9/10/14


//You might re-search why Christ chose twelve. Or you might not.
Luk_6:13 when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles,
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.//

The question was about (Matthew 24:1-10) only. And in verse (1) they were mentioned as disciples. So you were wrong in your research.
The Apostles were not send only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, they were sent to all the world,
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19).
---Luke on 9/10/14


\\Why so arrogant Cluny? \\

You make bold sweeping statements and claims about yourself, but **I** am arrogant?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/10/14


Actually Cluny YES I do, and that is not an arrogant thing to say, unless of coarse YOU don't know and feel because you don't know no one else does either. Or maybe you feel you are the only one who does know what the true meaning of Christian is.

Why so arrogant Cluny?

Yes Judas betrayed Jesus just as God foreordained one of His chosen would do. It was prophesied. So was your betrayal of Jesus also foretold?

I believe if Judas had repented, and who knows what went on with him before being so overcome with guilt taking his own life, that he did not ask for forgiveness. So to absolutely say Judas was and is lost is playing GOD. Jesus died for his sin too. We will just have to see one day.
---kathr4453 on 9/9/14


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\\they have NO CLUE what the true meaning of Christian really is\\

And you think you do?

**"so to even suggest that the disciple would fall away is ridiculous."
---Luke on 9/8/14**

How about Judas Iscariot? Was he not just as much personally called by Christ as the other 11?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/14


"so to even suggest that the disciple would fall away is ridiculous."
---Luke on 9/8/14

Which in view of your initial statement, underlines my post. You didn't do your research, before calling someone foolish.
You might re-search why Christ chose twelve. Or you might not.
Luk_6:13 when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles,
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 9/9/14


Elena_9555 on 9/8/14

good morning, Elana, my sister. have a great day in the Lord Jesus Christ.
---aka on 9/9/14


Cluny, when the NEWS MEDIA who is secular to begin with reports: "Christians this or that", they have NO CLUE what the true meaning of Christian really is. They use it in a generic sense, as in one not being Muslim, Hindu, Jew etc.

They are not "rejecting the Lord", as one who once KNEW the Lord. No TRUE Born from Above Christian will reject the Lord after being redeemed by the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 9/9/14


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//You are thinking of Apostles. Even then one fell away. You are letting your fingerlips get way ahead of your research.....an it is showing.//

Trav, the passages in (Matthew 24:1-10) calls them disciples (v.1)
"The Jesus went out and departed from the temple, "and His disciples" came up to show Him the building of the temple." That is the reason I said disciples. I did read the Bible. I also know when Jesus sent them for their first mission, they were called Apostles, but when they were learning from Jesus, they were disciples. Disciple means "student" one who is being taught. Apostles refer to qualified representatives who are sent on a mission. In this case they were learning from Jesus.
---Luke on 9/9/14


"so to even suggest that the disciple would fall away is ridiculous."
---Luke on 9/8/14

You are thinking of Apostles. Even then one fell away. You are letting your fingerlips get way ahead of your research.....an it is showing. As it has for all of us at one time or another.
Fine to have an opinion. It weighs in at about ....Zilch when you provide no scripture or proof. Whether you are slam mouthing someone or their viewpoint. Looking for a suitable scripture applying to all of us, seen this one: Psa_141:3 Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth, keep the door of my lips.

---Trav on 9/8/14


"so to even suggest that the disciple would fall away is ridiculous."
---Luke on 9/8/14

John 6:66_67 "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?"

1 Timothy 1:19_20 "Holding faith, and a good conscience, which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

2 Peter 1:9 "But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."
---Nana on 9/8/14


2 Corinthians 11:3 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

Galatians 4:19_20 "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
..., for I stand in doubt of you."

1 Corinthians 10:4_6 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted."

Your ears waxed shut, right Luke?
---Nana on 9/8/14


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1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
---micha9344 on 9/8/14


Goodmorn, to Bro.Aka you make a good point. I agree no matter what others say, feel, etc..you stay focus yes, God heavely father, Jesus and thr Holy Spirit in control no matter what goes on or doesn't..speak here your post Sept.2014. Believe it is, it good and straight to the point.we do as someone else mention only have so much space..thanks Brother.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 9/8/14


//The love waxing cold, those betraying and deceived are disciples if they would not "take heed" and being forewarned, stand in "watch".//

Jesus never said the disciples would fall away, lose their love for Christ, or be deceived in Matthew 24. If Jesus had, He would be contradicting what He had already told us when He said,
"This is the will of the Him who sent Me, "that of all He has given Me, I should lose nothing, but should raise them up at the last day" (John 6:39). And in (John 18:9) we are told:
"that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, "Of those who You gave Me I have lost None"
so to even suggest that the disciple would fall away is ridiculous.
---Luke on 9/8/14


The wickedness shown to & oppression of some weak Christians by other weak Christians in privileged positions have led many to reject Christianity.
But added to this may be their failure of balanced reasoning (attributing someone's personal errors to his/her religion) .
---Adetunji on 9/8/14


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nana, we have limited space to communicate. one seeing what is not there can also be a mistake. i already admitted that.

at first, i took out the insertions, then i put them back in to better make my point.

One seeing what is not there is delusional. ---Nana on 9/7/14

where is the love? as delusional as i may be to you. it is sad that you say the foundation of christianity is love and i see none in your latest post to me. all of us need to look in the mirror and see the delusion that may still be inside.

Either way...through Jesus Christ's sacrifice, the Holy Spirit's guidance, and the love of the Father, i will endure no matter how delusional i am and full of "love" others say they are.
---aka on 9/7/14


"if one [of faith in Jesus Christ] endures [the lack of love]. that is the person that will be saved."

Make up your mind, are you leaving out the insertions out or not?

In Matthew 24 Christ was speaking to his disciples. He said to them, "Take heed that no man deceive you." ,"And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another."
The love waxing cold, those betraying and deceived are disciples if they would not "take heed" and being forewarned, stand in "watch".

" i see universalism in your message."
One seeing what is not there is delusional.
---Nana on 9/7/14


nana,

i must have been mistaken about your post. i did not interject "faith", i interjected "in the faith."

but, let's throw out the insertions. the question is endure in what? Endure what?

the precedent is love gone cold.

i guess i should have put the insertion here:

if one [of faith in Jesus Christ] endures [the lack of love]. that is the person that will be saved.

The basis of Christianity is Jesus Christ who bring us back to the Father for God is love. i can't help it. i see universalism in your message.
---aka on 9/7/14


candice:

Both Sunni and Shia Muslims strongly disagree on what "real" Islam is - they each think the other is wrong. Both think ISIS is wrong, but so what? ISIS considers itself right. Who is right? There is no objective definition of what Islam is. Otherwise, these disputes would not have been going on for hundreds of years. It is the same with Christianity. There are many different Christian groups, and many think they are right and others are wrong - and Jesus isn't coming down to earth to tell us which is which.
---StrongAxe on 9/6/14


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"What do you think deludes a Christian into rejecting Our Lord and embracing mahometanism?" Nothing.
If any that called themselves christian did so, it is a given, that "they went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that [it] might be made manifest that they were not all of us." 1Jo 2:19
---josef on 9/7/14


Bro.Cluny, bless your heart I like the way you answer my question...had no idea you all talking about Islam...
I like your answer that's funny!!
:) thanks,can't spell.it or say it but, that another blogg.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 9/6/14


"BUT he that endures" [in the faith] and not those who abandoned the belief because of the lack of love."
---aka on 9/6/14

You interject "faith" when the Lord was clearly speaking of love.

Mathew 7:21 is speaking the same thing, be a doer. Love the Lord and love thy neighbour as yourself. Love is active.
John 1:1 is rendered in many Spanish Bibles as, "En el principio exista el Verbo, y el Verbo estaba con Dios, y el Verbo era Dios."
That translates in English as, 'In the beginning was the Verb, and the Verb was with God, and the Verb was God."

Enduring, doing are verbs.
---Nana on 9/6/14


And even older pejorative is Mussulman.
---learner2 on 9/6/14


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Cluny fyi the Muslims reject ISIS. ISIS isn't Muslim, they misrepresent Islam in a bad way & it is known both the sunnies & shia & other sects from Islam reject ISIS, so please if you're going to do the research do it right. As far as why people leave Christianity for Islam it is their choice ,but misunderstand as well.
---candice on 9/6/14


\\Cluny, please forgive my ignorance but, who or what are mahometanism?\\

Mahometanism is the politically incorrect name for Islam.

I rejoice in political incorrectness.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/6/14


Falling away and apostacy is what is meant Matthew 24:12_13, the "love" is true love, not a fake love or a love that never was.
Jesus, refering to His own self said, And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone, for I do always those things that please him.

"To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:", Romans 7
Paul said, " Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee."
---Nana on 9/6/14


Falling away and apostacy is what is meant Matthew 24:12_13, the "love" is true love, not a fake love or a love that never was.
Jesus, refering to His own self said, And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone, for I do always those things that please him.

"To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:", Romans 7
Paul said, " Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee."
---Nana on 9/6/14


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//As to the opinions, "they were never christian", "never really converted", "christians in name", "fake christians", our Lord said,
Matthew 24:12_13 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. "//---Nana

jesus also said,

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

the pivotal phrase in your quote is "BUT he that endures" [in the faith] and not those who abandoned the belief because of the lack of love.

it seems like jesus differentiates also.
---aka on 9/6/14


As to the opinions, "they were never christian", "never really converted", "christians in name", "fake christians", our Lord said,
Matthew 24:12_13 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. "

The basis of Christianity is love, Proverbs 8:17 "I love them that love me, and those that seek me early shall find me."
Jesus said, "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."
---Nana on 9/6/14


Wivv,
You interpreted (2 Tim. 3:13) wrong. you say the passage says that genuine Christians will be deceived, but the passage did not mention Christians. (Matthew 24:24) we are told,
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible even the elect."
This clearly implies that such a deceptions is not possible, see (John 10:4,5),
"And wen he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them, and the sheep follow Him, for they know his voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers."
---Luke on 9/6/14


Cluny, please forgive my ignorance but, who or what are mahometanism?
I am not familiar with them,what part of the country or state, etc... do they reside, where they come from?
Will like to know ..thanks!
Love of Jesus!
.Elena9555
---Elena_9555 on 9/6/14


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Shira4368, Sure good see you here.Yes, alot of Christians have given up to anything convenient, you don't have to.do much to see it coming, we need to.be praying, fast if you have to...keep Jesus in our heart, mind,we need to be like people used to say "sold out completely, to Jesus!"
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 9/6/14


It would really be hard to say. Most likely they weren't Christians to start with but just church attenders and/or morally aware. From a psychological view, most people like to have a concrete goal that they can strive for and ISIS is providing that goal. A lot of those who call themselves Christians are just "flopping" around playing at Christianity and having no goal and providing no goal for the young people to follow. Also, the Bible also states that some Christians
will be deceived.

2 Timothy 3:13-14 (ASV)
But evil men and impostors shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
---wivv on 9/5/14


One reason I heard mentioned was that with Islam, there is a certainty - he is told what to believe, what to do.

This is the basic lure of all cults - rather than being forced to deal with the uncertainties of reality, and the responsibilities for making difficult choices, cults offer an alternative where one is fed absolutes, and is freed from decision making, and from taking any responsibilities for those decisions.

In other words, they appeal to people who are tired of being adults, and want to be cared for like children again.
---StrongAxe on 9/5/14


well, i think that others have stated the most obvious.

but, i think there may be a related reason too. the "christianity" that they learn from other "christians" is neither exactly in line with what christ says nor is the way "christians" are in life.

falling away happens more and more each day. it is written.
---aka on 9/4/14


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Lots of true good points. It is false Christians who seek another way.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/4/14


I think they are demon possessed. Our country as a whole have turned their backs on God. Christians need to really pray if we are to save our country.
---shira4368 on 9/4/14


Many call themselves Christians because they were taken to church as a baby and maybe were baptized. Others think they are Christians because they live in a "Christian" country.

My guess is that there are far more people who call themselves Christians than there are people who actually ARE Christians.

The media don't know the difference either and will report things as they see them.
---Rita_H on 9/4/14


//Frequently on the news are reports of American Christians who become mahometan and join ISIS or other terror groups. There was one such story on NBC news tonight.//

Cluny,
Leon is correct. They are Christians in name only. Never really converted. But the news makes Christians look bad whenever they have a chance to do so. They will talk about how a Christian killed someone. Or that a Christian bombed an abortion center. This people are not genuine Christians guided by the Holy Spirit. Another spirit is guiding them. Agape
---Luke on 9/4/14


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Judas walked with Jesus talked with Jesus ate with Jesus. But never believed him. Know a lot of folks who talk like Jesus, go to church, have bibles all around they. But still don't believe him.
---Bryan on 9/4/14


I have no idea why anyone would reject Christ and bow to Mohammed. I wouldn't! However, if the enemy is able to ensnare someone whose walk with Christ is weak, then, I can see the process. But God willing, I will confess Christ to my deathbed!
---Monk_Brendan on 9/3/14


Christians in name only.
---Leon on 9/3/14


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