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Adam, Noah, Abraham and Israel: Were they Jews or Gentiles?

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None of these were either.
Jews, the name given by the Chaldeans to the exiled of Judah and Benjamin, did not exist then.
Gentiles, the name given to the nations of Japheth, also nullifies any of these being so.
Adam, the father of all
Noah, the father of Japheth, the father of the nations of the isles (Gentiles)
Noah, also the father of Shem, ancestor of Abraham, ancestor of Judah (Jews)
The Greeks and the Romans were nations of the isles, descendants of Japheth.
---micha9344 on 3/23/15


Leon, I'm not sure what you're trying to say in response to my last comment.

What does what you most recently said have to do with whether or not Adam, Noah, Abraham and Israel were Jews or Gentiles?

Maybe I'm missing your point?

But, my comment was an attempt to answer the Blog question.
---Gordon on 3/17/15


"From what I understand, the name derives from those who "passed over" the Jordan into the promised land."-StrongAxe on 9/12/14
-But Abram did not pass over the Jordan.
Gen 14:13 says Abram was an Hebrew.
Eber was one of the family divisions after the tower of Babel.
Gen 10:21 states Shem was his ancestor by name.
There is something important enough about Eber to have his name go both up and down his linage, something we may never know this side of eternity.
Abram was an Hebrew because he was a descendant of Eber, and since Israel received the promise through Abraham, they were called Hebrews as well.
The term "Hebrew" predates even circumcision, the sign of the Abrahamic covenant.
---micha9344 on 3/16/15


Gordon: You're certainly entitled to your opinions like anybody else. But, the Bible says when Israel split, some followed Rehoboam (Southern 2 tribe kingdom) & the rest followed Jeroboam (Northern 10 tribe kingdom).

Rehoboam's tribe, Judah (along with Benjamin), followed him. Though a bad king, Rehoboam was the ligitimate king of Israel. Why? Judah (Israel's 4th son) was blessed & given, by Israel, the privileges of the oldest son over his older brothers & the rest. Therefore, being the dominant tribe, all of Israel untimately became known as Judah (nicknamed Ju' aka Jew).

Remember, Jesus was born in the tribe of Judah & crucified with a placard above His head that read: King of the "Jews".
---Leon on 3/13/15


I believe the Jewish/Hebraic race started with Abraham.
---Gordon on 3/13/15

Judah inherited the sceptre by sins of the brothers preceding him.
Reuben morally, Simeon and Levi for cruelty.
Prophecy's to All Son's of Jacob. Joseph's sons additionally.

Gen 49:1 Jacob called unto his sons, said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.

Gen 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come, unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

( Shiloh means: "one to whom it belongs", "peace/tranquil", a name for Christ carrying these meanings)
Christ has the Sceptre now.
---Trav on 3/13/15




Gordan I agree.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/13/15


I believe the Jewish/Hebraic race started with Abraham.

From the time that Abram was called out of the Caldees to go to a new land, that was when the Jewish/Hebraic race began.

It became even more pronounced, if you can say that, when the 12 sons of Jacob came to be.

But, it was rooted through Abraham and Isaac.
---Gordon on 3/13/15


IEWES and JEWS are merely variant spellings, not different words.
---Cluny on 3/12/15

True. The point is also that it never was a spoken word in Israels OT history. There are no usage records. Timeline usage being more applicable to Turkish Khazars that adopted Judism as a religion.
Ignorance in the churches have caused the confusion on the word and in the understanding of Judah and their scriptural position. Ironically the next most misinterpreted word is attached above as well, "gentiles". A study all of it's own. As evidenced here, even puffy self proclaimed freachers are confused regarding it.
Rev_2:9 ...blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
---Trav on 3/13/15


\\The original King James version of the Bible, 1611, translated Idumaean-Judean into Iewes. It wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word Jew appeared. The word Jew does not mean Israel or Israelite!\\

IEWES and JEWS are merely variant spellings, not different words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/12/15


That's actually a non-question, Leon...
---Cluny on 3/12/15


As usual Cluny, your pomposity once again has caused your head to swell up & has over loaded your mouth with orthoducks nonsense. The name "Jew" comes from Israel's son "Judah". End of story!
---Leon on 3/12/15




Adam, Noah, Abraham and Israel: Were they Jews or Gentiles?
---Leon on 9/10/14

Still a good question considering the denoms ignorant teaching.

True Judeans equal 1/12th of Israel. They are never written scripturally as the entire house of Israel.
Here is some found info: The original King James version of the Bible, 1611, translated Idumaean-Judean into Iewes. It wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word Jew appeared. The word Jew does not mean Israel or Israelite!
In scripture:
Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
---Trav on 3/12/15


That's actually a non-question, Leon. IT's like asking if a shofar is a cornet or flugelhorn.

The word "Jew" appears first in the Book of Esther. That means it's a term dating from no earlier than the Exile.

It appears twice outside of Esther in the minor prophets--that is in books written AFTER the Exile.

Do the math.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/12/15


Terese, I'm sure you will appreciate these verses

Gal 3:17
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Romans 4
13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
---kathr4453 on 9/15/14


They were all followers of God. They lived before there was an Israel. Makes no difference to their salvation.

---therese on 9/14/14

Yes Terese, and we know Gentiles were saved before Israel the nation was formed. And we know Gentiles will be saved having nothing to do with the Nation Israel.

The covenant God made with Abraham clearly says in Romans was not annulled when the Law of Moses came into effect.
---kathr4453 on 9/15/14


Just like you do, kathr.

You can't even spell "of course" properly.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/14

Drowning in her own confusion. Throw a scriptural rope and it gets gnawed into unrecognizable pieces.
All one can do is, turn the example/opportunity to post Scripture that finds its searcher.
Psa_109:29 Let mine adversaries be clothed with shame, and let them cover themselves with their own confusion, as with a mantle.

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
---Trav on 9/15/14


Adam, Noah, Abraham and Israel: Were they Jews or Gentiles? The question posed by Leon 10/9.

They were all followers of God. They lived before there was an Israel. Makes no difference to their salvation.
---therese on 9/14/14


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\\I find your harassment personal and borderline stalker. \\

Let's see.

You do nothing but insult and slander me--but YOU are being harassed?

And you say I'm flirting with you?

You flatter yourself.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 9/14/14


Clunky, I'm just not that into you. And I find your childish way of flirting first grade level. Please find someone else's pigtails to pull. And find something more interesting to post.

It's also RUDE to break up threads to correct spelling. We see misspelled words here all the time, yes, even you clunky. But GRACIOUSNESS is practiced by all but you in this area.

Please leave me alone. I find your harassment personal and borderline stalker.

And Clunky, the book you are reading about how women love men who insult them...it was written by a pervert.

Now leave me alone. The Mods have seen I asked you to STOP, and next time will asked you be removed if you don't.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/14


\\Cluny, couldn't you come up with something more origin,and apprepro?\\

The word is properly spelled "apropos."

But again, I noticed you paid no attention to what I actually said, but instead indulged in an ad hominem attack.

Typical.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/14/14


Cluny, couldn't you come up with something more origin,and apprepro?

cliche'noun
: a phrase or expression that has been used so often that it is no longer original or interesting

: something that is so commonly used in books, stories, etc., that it is no longer effective


Full Definition of CLICHE'

1
: a trite phrase or expression, also : the idea expressed by it
2
: a hackneyed theme, characterization, or situation
3
: something that has become overly familiar or commonplace.

Clunky, that took no intelligence to say. But you DID spell all the words correctly...good for you!
---kathr4453 on 9/14/14


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Considering all the things you say to me, kathr, I think you're projecting.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/14/14


Clunky, you need to go into settings, on your Main Menu, to turn OFF your Auto-Snipe. It's making YOU look stupid. Like any computerized moment, it shows computers really can't think and know what the subject matter is. Oh sure, computers can detect misspelled words, and try to make a CASE out of it, but again, the blog heading is not about spelling is it?

You are a basket case, but other than that YOU bring no CASE here backed up by scripture. When you bring scripture to the table, and present your CASE, then you have a CASE.
---kathr4553 on 9/14/14


There were definitely no Jews then during Adam,Noah, and Abrahams time.
---Jasper on 9/14/14


\\I am sorry you are an angry grumpy old man in need of serious attention, but there are better ways to accomplish that.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/14\\

Notice that you cannot argue a case against what I say.

All you can do is indulge in ad hominem arguments.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/14


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Cluny, my auto spell wants to keep calling you Clunky...maybe I'll just let it name you.

My suggestion is YOU turn off Auto-Snipe. This site is not a game called Angry Birds. Maybe in your old age and eating of rotten fermented grapes, you get the two confused.

I am sorry you are an angry grumpy old man in need of serious attention, but there are better ways to accomplish that.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/14


And just like you Cluny, gumming those rotten grapes as usual.
Nope, I can't spell, and my auto fill can't either. You should see sometimes what words auto fill wants to insert. But then again, I never claimed to have superior knowledge either, nor does auto fill . Peter your forts...(.their it goes again...good thing it didn't put an a for the o here) first POPE was an unlearned man himself.
Yes Cluny, when it comes to spelling I am the chief of sinners. So here is absolute PROOF that even the stupidest can be lead by God into truth if one so seeks it humbly. He loves choosing the base to humble the likes of those like you.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/14


coarse
krs/
adjective
1.
rough or loose in texture or grain.
"a coarse woolen cloth"
synonyms: (of a person or their speech) rude, crude, or vulgar, Cluny.
synonyms: oafish, loutish, boorish, uncouth, rude, Cluny, impolite, ill-mannered, uncivil,

Origin

late Middle English (in the sense ordinary or inferior): origin uncertain, until the 17th century identical in spelling with course, and possibly derived from the latter in the sense habitual or ordinary manner.

Maybe my iPad thinks it's still in the 17th century.
---kathr453 on 9/13/14


\\Of coarse Trav will come back with more nonsense claiming to have superior knowledge that he does not have.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/14\\

Just like you do, kathr.

You can't even spell "of course" properly.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/14


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Esther 3:6

6 And he thought scorn to lay hands on Mordecai alone, for they had shewed him the people of Mordecai: wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai.


Ok Mordecai was from the tribe of Benjamin, and the Kingdom of Ahasuerus, a Gentile Kingdom is where those who did not go back with Judah remained.

Also many tribes as we see ANNA, of the tribe of Asher left the Northern Kingdom and returned.

GOD never physically lost anyone.....
All the Jews in this verse mean ALL the 12 tribes.

Trav just believes himself to be in another secret society of only those who are physically found....without physical proof.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/14


Luke 2:36

36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity,


Also Esther and uncle, among many were from the tribe of Benjamin who actually stayed with the northern 10 tribes.

Now it all makes sense WHY Trav got in shorts in a knot when I posted this earlier. It totally exposes his false doctrine.
Of coarse Trav will come back with more nonsense claiming to have superior knowledge that he does not have.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/14


Judah was not physically lost, Christ came and was among them, his tribal brethren.....who were the Lost sheep of the "House" of Israel then? Again the Prophets tell all....for those who do not go against the Prophets.
---Trav on 9/12/14

Judah was SPIRITUALLY LOST, and Paul being one of them is proof of that, since Benjamin YOU say is of the house of Judah. And silly goose, the 10 tribes were not PHYSICALLY LOST.

You claim Jesus came to save only those who are PHYSICALLY LOST of the 10 tribes? Again, even DNA cannot ensure anyone came from the 10 tribes. One would have to dig up a grave of one to make a match, totally against the JEWS religion to touch a dead body.
Try again Trav.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/14


"Adam, Noah, Abraham and Israel: Were they Jews or Gentiles?" Hebrews, the term Jew did not come into existence until Judea had offsprings. Gentile is a term used to identify the Greek nation.
---Josef on 9/12/14

Josef: Gentile is a term used to identify people who aren't Jewish, i.e., Greek, etc.
---Leon on 9/13/14


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Cluny:

You asked: Are the names Eber and Hebrew etymologically related?

Eber in Hebrew is "`BR", which is the same root as is found in the words Hebrew (`Ivri), pass (`avar), past (`avar), etc.

The word Hebrew might possibly be interpreted as "Eberites", but I think this is unlikely, as Eber himself is almost never mentioned except as footnote in genealogies. From what I understand, the name derives from those who "passed over" the Jordan into the promised land.
---StrongAxe on 9/12/14


Untrue Cliff. Wherever you see the word Jew the accurate translation should be men of Judah, people of Judah, person of Judah or Judahite.
---Leon on 9/10/14

Of blind men, it is taught that all Israel is represented in the corrupted word "jew".
For deeper understanding, using as Leon posted is more revealed in scripture.

The New Covenant we all believe in Heb 8:8...says "And Judah". Jer 31:31 other's, like Eze 37, verify/align. Verify by prophets for personal clarity.
Judah was not physically lost, Christ came and was among them, his tribal brethren.....who were the Lost sheep of the "House" of Israel then? Again the Prophets tell all....for those who do not go against the Prophets.
---Trav on 9/12/14


"Adam, Noah, Abraham and Israel: Were they Jews or Gentiles?" Hebrews, the term Jew did not come into existence until Judea had offsprings. Gentile is a term used to identify the Greek nation.
---Josef on 9/12/14


\\But Abraham is a descendent of Eber. So, he was an Hebrew.\\

Are the names Eber and Hebrew etymologically related?

I don't know.

StrongAxe, where are you? You know some Hebrew.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/11/14


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Very true Sam!
---Leon on 9/11/14


"So, I consider that Hebrews came before Jews."
---com7fy8 on 9/11/14


So, would that make the Hebrews Jews or Gentiles?
---Leon on 9/11/14


And too, the HOUSE of this or that does not say one house are Israelites and the another house is not. The Jews religion requires all of the 12 tribes be circumcised. So it's silly to try to split hairs here. TODAY, all 12 tribes are referred to as Jews. Salvation is of the Jews, meaning the Jews religion, or the foundations laid out from God to Moses under the Law now fulfilled in Christ. The Mosaic Covenant was for all the tribes.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/14


Jews is a name given to Hebrews who are also called Israelites.

Adam and Noah were ancestors of all human beings. So they would be considered gentiles.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/11/14


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Good catch com7fy8. :)
---Leon on 9/11/14


I understand that Jews are members of the twelve tribes of Israel. This started after Adam and Noah and Abraham.

But Abraham is a descendent of Eber. So, he was an Hebrew.

So, I consider that Hebrews came before Jews.
---com7fy8 on 9/11/14


Untrue Cliff. Wherever you see the word Jew the accurate translation should be men of Judah, people of Judah, person of Judah or Judahite.
---Leon on 9/10/14


Adam, Noah, and Abraham were gentiles.

You didn't have Hebrews until the 12 tribes, named for Jacob/Israel's 12 sons.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/10/14


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The word "Jew" comes from the corruption of the word Judah and has become the label of all Hebrews !
---1stcliff on 9/10/14


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