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Old Humans Before The Flood

Why did humans live to be hundreds of years old before the flood?

Moderator - A thick layer of the atmosphere blocked much of the suns UV rays before the flood. Most of this layer of the atmosphere disappeared when rain fell to the earth. The sun breaks things down including us.

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Rain clouds can't possibly block & filter the UV rays of the Sun like a completely earth covering ocean once did. No theory, fact.- Leon

Leon
If what you say is true, people who have less exposure to the Sun, would live longer than those who have more exposure to the Sun.

A construction worker exposed to 8-12 hours of Sun each day, would die many years before someone who works in an office building, if your theory is a fact.
That is unless you believe an office building doesn't provide any protection from the Sun.

---David on 9/22/14


//They lived up to 900 years because they ate uncooked foods from nature. Root vegetables were not in their diet then till after the flood.//

Jasper, what you say is your own opinion, which the Bible cannot confirm. What you are suggesting is that people can live as long as they want depending on what he eats. But you are wrong because the Bible tells us that we live as long as God gives us breath. We die when God says we die, not when we want to die. Eating smart some times helps us have a better quality of life, but not how long we live.
---Luke on 9/22/14


Is it not likely that the early inhabitants on earth lived to vast ages because God gave them this great life-expectancy?

I do not doubt that the early earth, its pure air, and produce were vastly better than that which we have today but I do not see this being what allowed them to live 900+ years.
---Warwick on 9/22/14


Kathr: "Jerry, ALL VEGETARIANS SHOULD KNOW THAT BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS FROM MEAT EATERS WILL MAKE THEM ILL."

No doubt, but that's not the issue (no matter how loudly you shout it). You said that humans need animal protein. They do not!

As for blood transfusions, blood banks do not differentiate between meat and non-meat donors, so no choice can be made. The sickness I don't doubt because a meat-eater's blood contains higher levels of cholesterol, triglycerides, and ureic acid (not to mention animal-induced disease antigens) than does a vegetarian.


---jerry6593 on 9/22/14


Leon..how did I know that? Read Gen 1:29,30.mans original diet was fruits only.
Gen 1:30 green herbs of the fields are vegetables.
After man sinned, he was allowed to eat the herb of the field ( vegetables )
After the flood, vegetables n clean meat without blood & fat were added to mans diet..Gen 9:3,4. Meat was an emergency food, not a permanent part of the diet
---Jasper on 9/22/14




Thank you Luke. I look absolutely healthy and full of energy for an 64 year old. People of old from Adam n Eve to Noah's time lived up to 900 years due to their diet of fruits, nuts, grains, vegetables minus any flesh.
We can live up to the same age if we follow our forefathers diet and lifestyle. Easy to control our weight also on this diet.
---Jasper on 9/22/14


"They lived up to 900 years because they ate uncooked foods from nature. Root vegetables were not in their diet then till after the flood." [?]
---Jasper on 9/21/14


How do you know that Jasper?
---Leon on 9/21/14


"...Rain clouds, block the UV rays of the Sun too. If this theory is true, people who live in areas that get a lot of rain...would live longer than folks who live in sunny areas..." [:)?]---David on 9/21/14

David: The amount of rain that falls from the clouds can't compare to having an ocean rain down on THE ENTIRE EARTH 40 days & nights. Clouds don't envelope the entire surface of the earth. A canopy of water once did! (G1:6-8)

Rain clouds can't possibly block & filter the UV rays of the Sun like a completely earth covering ocean once did. No theory, fact, we're now significantly more exposed to flesh damaging (cell mutating) UV Sun rays since the great Flood (deluge).
---Leon on 9/21/14


They lived up to 900 years because they ate uncooked foods from nature. Root vegetables were not in their diet then till after the flood.
---Jasper on 9/21/14


And before you state this please show scripture to back up such claims. No one today lives to 900. Since you have shown yourself to be SDA, who also believed Adam and Eve were GIANTS , also,prove eating cooked food and fish and meat causes a form of evolution that shrinks people., since you believe size and age had to do with what people ate.
---kathr4453 on 9/21/14


Our family has killed our food from Nature therefore its free from all the chemicals of beef and other raised food. Deer meat is also a lean meat and very healthy to eat. We eat very few other kinds of meat. If meat was wrong for people God wouldn't have had people sacrificing animals and the Priests in the Temples living off of eating that meat from them. Besides the Bible says any food sanctified by the Word of Prayer is good to eat. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 9/21/14




\\Root vegetables were not in their diet then till after the flood.
---Jasper on 9/21/14\\

The Bible says nothing about this, so obviously you have other proof.

Please provide it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/14


Jerry, ALL VEGETARIANS SHOULD KNOW THAT BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS FROM MEAT EATERS WILL MAKE THEM ILL.

you should know this.....my daughter does and so do all vegans I know. Why don't you?
---kathr4453 on 9/21/14


They lived up to 900 years because they ate uncooked foods from nature. Root vegetables were not in their diet then till after the flood.
---Jasper on 9/21/14


Kathr: "All vegetarians should know this."

Why? It's just plain wrong. Humans do not "need" animal proteins, as is evidenced by the existence of healthy, lifelong vegetarians. If that were true, then God made a mistake in our edenic diet. We construct the proteins we need from amino acids derived from the breakdown of other proteins. There is plenty of protein in all plant foods as well as the protease enzyme needed to digest it. Excess protein consumption is responsible for the osteoporosis epidemic in our country by the leaching of calcium from our bones to buffer the excess amino acids in our blood.

Meat is full of cholesterol. Plants have none.


---jerry6593 on 9/21/14


Jasper,
you might look better if you eat right, but you will die at the appointed time God has for you. No one escapes death. The only thing we do not know is how we will die or how long we have to live. Only God knows that.
We can make sure on the quality of life we live. But not the amount of years. People in the Old Testament lived as long as God allowed them to live. The same as todays people. God is in control of all things.
---Luke on 9/21/14


I believe, the Bible says, there was a canopy of water above the earth. It flooded the earth. The water canopy wasn't replaced, so the "already existing sun rays" were better able to penetrate the earth's atmosphere -Leon

Leon
Oh...ok, Thanks for clearing that up.
Rain clouds, block the UV rays of the Sun too.

If this theory is true, people who live in areas that get a lot of rain, like Seattle, would live longer than folks who live in sunny areas, like California.

Do the people who live in Seattle, live longer than people in California?
---David on 9/21/14


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I believe, if it didn't grow that way, don't eat it. You get the idea. to have a well balanced diet, with all food groups, as we learned in 4th grade is healthy. It's fast foods, junk food, processed foods, canned foods with so much sodium that is so unhealthy.

potato's white or sweet potato's are unhealthy to eat RAW , yet cooked with skins are rich in all vitamins and minerals.

along with plenty of exercise, drink lots of water, no sodas....and you are just as healthy as anyone could want to be. There are certain proteins in red meat we need. Pork can be omitted completely. But once in a blue moon won't kill or age you.

And fish have great omega's . Jesus fed fish to multitudes and ate fish Himself.
---kathr4453 on 9/20/14


I have been vegetarian for many years and younger looking n a picture of health more so than my younger counter parts. I encourage all to try it. The food we eat is wot God said to eat, raw food is nourishment intended for human beings. God know, He created us.
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---Jasper on 9/20/14


"...If you don't believe as I say, why did you say the following?

Gee moderator.... Thanks for posting the question with your absolutely correct response.---Leon on 9/15/14"
---David on 9/20/14


Dave: You said, "You believe God changed the Suns UV rays after the flood, and this is why we don't live as long." I didn't say that Dave nor do I believe that! I believe, the Bible says, there was a canopy of water above the earth. It flooded the earth. The water canopy wasn't replaced, so the "already existing sun rays" were better able to penetrate the earth's atmosphere & , like the moderator correctly said, "break things down including us."
---Leon on 9/20/14


Jerry, my daughter is a vegetarian, so I have learned a lot through her as well. I told her about my friend, and It was explained to me this way. There are certain proteins in meats. If these meats are not in your diet, neither are these proteins. So when a vegetarian accidental eats something with meat, these meat proteins in the blood can cause one to become horribly ill, even to the point of having to be hospitalized. There was no way, I suppose then in the 1980's to have blood labeled ...meat eaters vs vegetarian. So vegetarians who needed blood transfusions did get ill on the blood of people who ate meat.

All vegetarians should know this.
---kathr4453 on 9/20/14


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I don't believe like you said. -Leon

If you don't believe as I say, why did you say the following?

Gee moderator.... Thanks for posting the question with your absolutely correct response.---Leon on 9/15/14
---David on 9/20/14


Leon,
It is a very hard thing to suggest that the Holy Spirit is speaking to you and giving you in between the lines words that are not in the Bible. What the Spirit does, is to bring to light what already is in the Bible so that you can understand it. Anyone can claim the Spirit told them things not in the Bible. But they have no way of proofing such a thing. Right now there is many proclaim prophets and apostles who say God made them prophets or apostles, and that they have new revelation. E.G. White comes to mind.
---Luke on 9/20/14


Genesis 1 it states that God put the firmament in the heavens that separated the waters below (oceans, lakes, etc.) from the waters above. All the water molecules that were separated above the firmament finally came to earth, all at once. Now that all this water was concentrated at the earth's surface, it no longer reflected the sun's light back into space. Now the light fully penetrated to the earth's surface. Meteorologists today know that when it is cloudy, some light and UV rays still penetrated the clouds and reach the earth. They also know that many of the suns rays hit the upper clouds surface and are reflected back into space.
Did the flood, who's waters came from heaven change the UV rays now hitting the earth? ...of coarse it did.
---kathr4453 on 9/20/14


Reading between the lines.

One example would be the rainbow God gave to Noah as a covenant promise God would never again flood the earth like He did then. Well, we certainly have devastating floods, but not the WHOLE EARTH AT ONCE. So those who want to call the flood regional call God a liar.

The reason the whole earth will not be flooded again as in the time of Noah is ALL THAT WATER That was sitting above the firmament WAS SPENT.

We know anteaters were on the ark, yet the word anteater is not used in the Bible.

Trinity, again the word is not used, but many reading between the lines believe in the Trinity. Many have different interpretations of the Trinity, where reading between the lines can get distorted.
---kathr453 on 9/20/14


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Kathr: "Whew what a reaction!"

So you had a friend who was on blood transfusions, chemotherapy and radiation (presumably because of some disease) and you blame the broccoli??? That sounds kind of nuts to me. Those "cures" alone can kill.

I was a meat-eater 25 years ago and was having several health problems. They all cleared up when I quit eating critter cadavers.


---jerry6593 on 9/20/14


"...How do you know it's the Holy Spirit guiding you, if there is nothing in the Bible to support what you heard?

...You believe [?] God changed the Suns UV rays after the flood, & this is why we don't live as long..."---David on 9/19/14


Dave: We're all at different levels of maturity in our Christian walk. Some of us are yet milk fed children while others have grown to a level where eating & digesting meat is normal to further growth & healthy development.

I don't believe like you said. Take no one's word over the Bible!
---Leon on 9/19/14


if it's Holy Spirit guidance, He will make it "CLEAR" in your mind based upon what Scripture already says.-Leon

Leon
How do you know it's the Holy Spirit guiding you, if there is nothing in the Bible to support what you heard?

For example, You believe God changed the Suns UV rays after the flood, and this is why we don't live as long. If this was taught to you by the Holy Spirit, "between the lines", and it is not supported by the Bible, are we just suppose to take your word over the Bible?
---David on 9/19/14


"...how do you know if what you have read between the lines, is the Truth, if [it's] not clearly written somewhere in the bible?
How do you know if what you have been taught by the Holy Spirit, is from the Holy Spirit, unless it's written in the Bible?
The reason we have so many false teachings, is because of teachers reading between the lines, claiming these teachings to be the Truth, when they are found nowhere in the Bible."---David on 9/19/14


Dave: First, like I said previously, if everything was spelled out for us in writing in the Bible, God might still be writing it. Second, if it's Holy Spirit guidance, He will make it "CLEAR" in your mind based upon what Scripture already says.
---Leon on 9/19/14


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"...whatever answer you come out with in between the lines, is your answer, not the Bibles. The Bible is clear in what it says. It does not need our impute to make it truth. No reason is given why people live longer in Genesis or anywhere else..." [?]
---Luke on 9/19/14


Luke: Remember, I said, "by leading of the Holy Spirit." Therefore, God can bring out those things that are between the Scripture lines & put understanding into our minds if we're open ("willing" to listen, pay attention) to hear what He says. In no way do I suggest we should try & interpret Scripture on our own.
---Leon on 9/19/14


If we make a guess and recognize that what we are saying could be true. But also recognize that since the Bible does not say so we are only forming a Hypothesis then we are fine.

If we try to force our views and say you have to agree with what we say. Then you are wrong. For only a clear thus saith the Lord is to be the basis of a doctrine.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/19/14


I "think" the reason God gave us minds is so we can read His Bible & , by leading of the Holy Spirit logically (Logos) extract what's "written" between the lines.--Leon

Leon
But how do you know if what you have read between the lines, is the Truth, if it is not clearly written somewhere in the bible?

How do you know if what you have been taught by the Holy Spirit, is from the Holy Spirit, unless it's written in the Bible?

The reason we have so many false teachings, is because of teachers reading between the lines, claiming these teachings to be the Truth, when they are found nowhere in the Bible.

---David on 9/19/14


//Luke: If our reasons don't line up with what the Bible says, what we say can't possibly "hold water". :) I believe Genesis gives ample reason "why" & God allows scientific verification.//

Leon,
whatever answer you come out with in between the lines, is your answer, not the Bibles. The Bible is clear in what it says. It does not need our impute to make it truth. No reason is given why people live longer in Genesis or anywhere else. The topic was not even important for God to put it down. Studies people make are the words of man not God. God only knows the expect life of each person. Only He knows why one person lives longer then another. He gives life, and He takes it away one way or another.
---Luke on 9/19/14


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Gods Word, not science, has the complete solution to the problem of aging and death. The solution has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel 2 Timothy 1:10

Bottom line, Noah lived to 950' and Noah's father lived to 777. Both were vegans. Certainly more of a difference in life spans that vegans can boast of today over meat eaters.

Go with 2 Timothy 1:10, and rest in peace! .........oh my, Was that a pun???
---kathr4453 on 9/18/14


There are many cases of folks living into their 100's that were not vegans. so to make some comparison that vegans live a couple years longer may be skewed as well. I think a lot has to do with heredity and genes where you see family members dying at around the same age as father, grandfather etc.

But Loen, if a vegan diet could cause someone to live even 50% of a lifespan before the flood, that would be around 400 years give or take.

So mathematically the percent dividing a 95 year old vegan by 900 years compared to a 85 year old beefeater by 900 years is .011111 between the two plus showing beefeaters do live to over a hundred actually proves nothing.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/14


No doubt eating more fruits & vegetable, & less red meat is healthier for us human beings. But, does anyone here really believe it's an age related factor as pertains to our living to be hundreds of years old? If that were so, wouldn't it seem likely all we'd have to do is just stop eating red meats & consume only fruits, nuts, berries & vegetables? Would that then reverse & delay the dying process so that we'd once again begin living for hundreds of years?
---Leon on 9/18/14


This study is a pathetic excuse for a real study but the meat eating press loves it. Its their "I told you so" article.


---Mark_Eaton on 9/17/14


Whew what a reaction!

But I agree, that everything should be in moderation. and also any study that is promoted by those who believe in what they are promoting will be biased.

My friend wished she had eaten meat at least once a month so she wouldn't have gotten so deathly ill on blood transfusions that had to be stopped, that may have saved her life while on chemo and radiation. She actually went out of her way to warn vegans of her experience before she died.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/14


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He uses hand selected, cherry picked data from the study to support his rabid pro-vegan position and leaves out everything that contradicts it.
---kathr453 on 9/17/14

Rabid pro-vegan? Whew, what a reaction! You must know someone who has prejudiced your opinion.

Actually, I am most interested in Caldwell Esselstyn's work as I have coronary heart disease.

We all know moderation is the answer to our diets but few want to moderate their meat consumption. Eating meat at every meal is not moderation.

Try what my father practices. He only eats meat at his evening meal. All his other meals are meatless.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/18/14


"...many can give all kinds of reasons why those people lived longer than [we] do now, but [they'll] all be guessing. There really is no scientific reason..." [?]
---Luke on 9/18/14


Luke: If our reasons don't line up with what the Bible says, what we say can't possibly "hold water". :) I believe Genesis gives ample reason "why" & God allows scientific verification.

Dave: I "think" the reason God gave us minds is so we can read His Bible & , by leading of the Holy Spirit logically (Logos) extract what's "written" between the lines. If God had to explain everything to us, He might yet be writing the Bible. Reason: in Genesis for all who have an ear to hear.
---Leon on 9/18/14


Both the Bible and science agree with the statement made.-Moderator

Moderator
Enlighten us, as to where the Bible talks about UV rays of the Sun.
The Bible is fascinating to me, replete with amazing facts, some of which prove our modern science.

You claim to have proof of what you say, can you please show us? I'm not saying it's not there, just that I have never seen it, and you would save me a lot of time by showing me the text from which you read.
---David on 9/18/14


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The five-month-old boy, Ndingeko Kunene, died of rickets, a bone condition caused by vitamin D deficiency caused by the strict vegan diet followed by his parents.

Please beware. Veganism to many is a strict legalistic religious practice, not a personal choice with the freedom to seek medical assistance outside their own circle, where we see, more often than not "death by religion".
---kathr4453 on 9/18/14


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Leon,
Many can give all kinds of reasons why those people lived longer then they do now, but they will all be guessing why. There really is no scientific reason. The reason they lived longer is because God allowed them to live longer. People forget that it is God who gives life and it is God who takes it away. Only God knows the reason He allowed them to live longer. Because all things were in God's plan. I say were, because with God, His plan is complete already. He knows the beginning and the end. People can guess all they want, but they are just guessing, by taking all kinds of studies, but they don't have the real reason. Agape
---Luke on 9/18/14


It may have nothing to do with climate or diet. The longer people lived the more evil they could do. The flood came because all those long lived people were so evil. So God may have just reduced lifespans by fiat.
---learner2 on 9/17/14


Psalms91:14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him, and honour him.

16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

Long life is a gift from God. And if I should see long life, it won't be because of my physical diet, but my Spiritual diet.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/14


What people ate had absolutely nothing to do with their living to be hundreds of years old. Clearly it wasn't an issue of human diet but rather one of global atmospheric & climate changes as Genesis plainly tells us. Prior to the Flood, the entire earth was a virtual climate consistent & regulated greenhouse.
---Leon on 9/17/14


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If you want real vegetarian versus meat-eating data, read the China Study or the Adventist Study, both conducted with large population samples and years of patient follow up.

---Mark_Eaton on 9/17/14

And you want us to believe the Adventist Study isn't skewed?

And what does a Chinese Study have in common with meat eating humans who don/t eat Tiger, dog and cat, rat, and who knows what else on Asians who have a totally different biological makeup than other races? It's well known Chinese have a difficult time consuming even alcohol in small amounts.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/14


To repeat: Colin Campbells book The China Study is not the actual China Study (also known as the China Project). The real, full-length study is titled Diet, life-style, and mortality in China: A study of the characteristics of 65 Chinese counties [Chen J]., its an enormously thick and difficult book that gathered data on 367 variables across 65 countries involving 6500 adults and yielding over 8,000 statistically significant associations. The popular book China Study by Campbell represents, as mentioned, his conclusions about this data conclusions which have been fiercely debated, by the way. He uses hand selected, cherry picked data from the study to support his rabid pro-vegan position and leaves out everything that contradicts it.
---kathr453 on 9/17/14


A new study from the Medical University of Graz in Austria
---kathr4453 on 9/17/14

This study is a pathetic excuse for a real study but the meat eating press loves it. Its their "I told you so" article.

This study is not based upon years of patient follow up but is based on the results of a survey asked of 15,474 people. The 323 vegetarians were each matched against 3 meat eating people and their answers were compared and the results published.

If you want real vegetarian versus meat-eating data, read the China Study or the Adventist Study, both conducted with large population samples and years of patient follow up.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/17/14


I'll agree with moderator's theory for a different reason,

Before the flood the moon and sun were simply called "lights" a lesser light and a greater light !
Afterwards ,when the canopy fell,they were called sun and moon as they were more clearly visible !
---1stcliff on 9/17/14


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I would think the China study includes Dog, Cat and who knows what else the Chinese eat...RE Animals.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/14

My good friend who is a first-generation Chinese-American whose parents ran a Chinese restaurant for 20 years, tells me that the Chinese never eat dog and cat. He says only the Vietnamese eat dog and cat..:)

It seems everyone has strong opinions on food. Even between me and my wife. I am vegan (Forks Over Knives) for health reasons but my wife will never be vegan or even vegetarian. Therefore, I do not sweat the small stuff and eat meat occasionally. The China Study suggests less than 10% of your diet from animal proteins.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/17/14


Pro_12:27 The slothful man roasteth not that which he took in hunting: but the substance of a diligent man is precious.
---Trav on 9/17/14

How about this verse:

1 Cor. 6:20 "For you were bought at a price, therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are Gods"

Does your body honor God? Does God get praise and glory when people see your body or how you treat your body? Do you regard your body as God's or do you eat what you want to eat? Did Jesus eat anything He wanted to eat?

I challenge you to try Jesus's diet.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/17/14


If you want to read something about health, read the China Study.

By avoiding the consumption of animal products, you can lower your probability for developing diabetes, heart disease, autoimmune diseases, Alzheimer's, and cancers.

---Mark_Eaton on 9/17/14


Mark_Eaton, I would think the China study includes Dog, Cat and who knows what else the Chinese eat...RE Animals.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/14


To summarize, according to Mrs. Ellen White, meat in your diet will do the following to you:
Clouds the brain
Benumbs the intellect
Enfeebles and deadens the moral nature
Weakens the higher powers
Lessens spirituality
Renders mind incapable of understanding truth
Causes insubordination
Stimulates lustful propensities
Strengthens the lower passions
Animalizes you, strengthens the animal appetites
Interferes with the religious life
Causes you to miss out on companionship with heavenly angels
May cause God to decide not to heal your sickness
Causes sickness and disease
Endangers physical, mental, and spiritual health


WARNING!!!!!!!
Please read 1 Tim. 4:1-4
---kathr4453 on 9/17/14


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Mark_Eaton, here it is....

A new study from the Medical University of Graz in Austria finds that vegetarians are more physically active, drink less alcohol and smoke less tobacco than those who consume meat in their diets. ---But the vegetarian diet characterized by a low consumption of saturated fats and cholesterol that includes increased intake of fruits, vegetables and whole-grain products carries elevated risks of cancer, allergies and mental health disorders.

So a vegetarian(with several areas not including diet) vs just the diet itself.

A goof friend of mine died of cancer who was a strict vegetarian all her life. She was 54. The blood transfusions were worse than the radiation because she was a Vegetarian.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/14


Dr. CS says:
As an expert in vegan nutrition I agree with everything that's been said, and like to add that in general, vegan (and vegetarian) diets often need supplementing with vitamins D and B12, but also with other micronutrients such as preformed vitamin A (retinol, some people don't absorb beta-carotene well), vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), iron, and zinc. Vegans and vegetarians are also at risk of low sulfur intakes. Sulfur is essential for joint function and flexibility. It's actually very interesting: I've seen a lot of vegans with early onset osteoarthritis, and I believe it's because they didn't get enough sulfur amino acids (methionine, cysteine, N-acetyl cysteine, taurine) and no glucosamine. ---.---.
---kathr453 on 9/17/14


Propaganda from the beef, milk, and cheese producers. Please cite the paper you are quoting from.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/17/14

Vegetarian is an old Indian word. It means Bad Hunter.

Just went hunting in my fridge and killed two pieces of bacon using two slices of grilled wheat bread ....cheese trap kept it from moving. Olives I found along the trail out of the fridge.

Always roast your game.
Pro_12:27 The slothful man roasteth not that which he took in hunting: but the substance of a diligent man is precious.
---Trav on 9/17/14


Overall, vegetarians were found to be in a poorer state of health compared to other dietary groups.
---kathr453 on 9/17/14

Propaganda from the beef, milk, and cheese producers. Please cite the paper you are quoting from.

If you want to read something about health, read the China Study.

By avoiding the consumption of animal products, you can lower your probability for developing diabetes, heart disease, autoimmune diseases, Alzheimer's, and cancers.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/17/14


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Up until the 1900 most people died in their 30's because of bad food, unsanitary conditions, disease and unsafe working conditions.

Also doctors killed about 70% of their patients because they did not wash their hands and did not know about keeping things clean.

Today about half the people in the United States are Diabetic or pre-diabetic according to the news.

Why because most Americans eat so badly they are killing themselves.

God provided a diet for us and it would be wise to follow it. In Genesis is was Vegetarian. In Exodus it was only some meats.

I believe GOD knew before Scientist what is the best food for us to eat.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/17/14


Several hundred years after the flood, Moses declared, The length of our days is seventy yearsor eighty, if we have the strength, yet their span is but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away (Psalm 90:10). Neither Genesis 6:3 nor Psalm 90:10 are God-ordained age limits for humanity. Genesis 6:3 is a prediction of the timetable for the flood. Psalm 90:10 is simply stating that as a general rule, people live 70-80 years (which is still true today).

So David, there are other views on the subject of the 120 years believing it to be the time between God being grieved with man and the flood.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/14


But the vegetarian diet carries elevated risks of cancer, allergies and mental health disorders. Vegetarians were twice as likely to have allergies, a 50 percent increase in heart attacks and a 50 percent increase in incidences of cancer.
Overall, vegetarians were found to be in a poorer state of health compared to other dietary groups. Vegetarians reported higher levels of impairment from disorders, chronic diseases, and suffer significantly more often from anxiety/depression. also linked to poor health care practices, such as avoidance of vaccinations and a lack of preventive care, have a lower quality of life, and also require more medical treatment.
---kathr453 on 9/17/14


But the question is David, how many Years from the time God said He will not always strive with man, "before the flood"? It doesn't say, in the year Noah was 500 years old God was grieved He made man. When "God" made that statement he wasn't talking to Noah. He could have said that 20 years prior to telling Noah what He was planning to do.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/14


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120 years. That's how long Noah preached before the flood.-kathr

Kathryn
I thought that once too, but (Genesis 5:32) says Noah was 500 years old before the flood, and we are given Noah's exact age when the flood came. In (Genesis 7:11) it says the flood came in the 2nd month, 17th day and 600th year of Noah's life.

500+600=100, 20 years short of 120, unless you can show us a verse which supports what you believe.
---David on 9/17/14


Kathr: "Many today are vegetarians and have raised their children exclusively on a vegetarian diet showing no signs of extended life"

Look up the SDA Longevity Study. We live on average 10 years longer than our carnivorous peers. And that while only 50% of us are vegetarians.

There is also the undeniable fact that not only is our environment and lifestyle killing us, but as a race, we are DEvolving - not Evolving. Just ask a few high schoolers to write something.


---jerry6593 on 9/17/14


Aka: Three fifths of that? Because, for generations, men have been poisoning the air we breathe. Mankind is rapidly destroying the ozone layer allowing harmful UV rays to more aggressively torment our frail flesh. Money greedy corporations haphazardly dump toxic waste in landfills & bury radioactive waste underground in select locations on the planet. People take drugs (legal & illegal), ironically, as a way of life. We eat all kinds of mystery meats topped with special sauces. Everything we eat is full of, FDA approved, harmful chemicals. In short, humanity is & has been, for multiple generations, in a demon driven self-destructive mode.

Yup, the further we get from God's Truth, the shorter suicidal man's lifespan is.
---Leon on 9/16/14


Genesis 6:3

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.


This verse has nothing to do with God setting or resetting the age of man. He spoke this saying that from that moment until the flood would be 120 years. That's how long Noah preached before the flood.
---kathr4453 on 9/16/14


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you can say God's natural sunblock...the water was much more pure...the food cleaner.

nowadays, we are fortunate to see the 80s. "scientists" have a lifespan of 15-67 from 20,000BC to 2011. Man can keep a body alive, but continually in various ways, we are killing the spirit.

if God set it for 120, then why are we only 3/5 of that?

Maybe spiritual deficiencies have a little to do with lifespan. the farther we stray from the Truth...the shorter our life seems to get gets.

Psa 39:5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth, and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.
---aka on 9/16/14


...(Genesis 6:3)...God sets the limit on the years a man can live...120 years. As to the science, good answer...If science is correct, why didn't the sun affect their aging?"
---David on 9/16/14


Thanks David. G6:3 shows God's displeasure with man's wickedness, so He set a limit of years for "us all". It didn't happen immediately after the Flood, but occurred gradually, i.e., Noah lived 950 years, Shem-600, Abraham-175, Issac-180, Jacob-147, Joseph-110 & Moses-120.

Sun rays had a profound effect upon their decreased years of life in the flesh. Us too in 2014! Observe what happened to a whole generation of people in the sun scorched wilderness after just 40 years.
---Leon on 9/16/14


I disagree with the UV theory. The Bible records that people were vegetarians before the flood (Gen 1:29), and that God provided CLEAN animals for food on the ark (by sevens - Gen 7:2), since there would not be any crops left after the flood. Lifespans went from ~900 years to ~200 years after the flood because of a change in diet from herbivore to carnivore.

---jerry6593 on 9/16/14

Many today are vegetarians and have raised their children exclusively on a vegetarian diet showing no signs of extended life, but in fact age just as those who eat meat.
---kathr4453 on 9/16/14


Both the Bible and science agree with the statement made. My middle school son was taught the above in science class for this layer of the atmosphere. The science class just doesn't have an explanation as to why this layer of the atmosphere has almost disappeared. However, the Bible tells us what happened.
---Moderator on 9/16/14


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I agree with the moderator as well.

Genesis suggests there was water (perhaps a layer of ice) above the atmosphere at the time of creation Gen 1:6-7. Water reduces UV radiation. This layer likely disappeared at the time of the flood.

Also, our genetic code has deteriorated over time and is not as pure as it once was. Perhaps this is a time when the tree of life would come in handy.
---jason9835 on 9/16/14


Leon
If you were also looking for a biblical answer it's found in (Genesis 6:3), where God sets the limit on the years a man can live. This limit was set at 120 years.

As to the science, good answer, but Noah lived 350 years after the flood (Genesis 9:28).
Noah's sons also lived many years after the flood. Shem, for example, lived 400 years after the flood (Genesis 11:11).

If science is correct, why didn't the sun affect their aging?
---David on 9/16/14


Hahahah come On moderator, are you pulling a trick from your bag? Is that biblical? Lol
---Jasper on 9/16/14


Probably why we never hear of anyone drunk on wine before the flood. But surely they must have made wine, since Noah made this drink after the flood called wine. It would appear fermentation too was not as it is today. But I'm sure they had grapes, as we see Noah planted a vineyard after the flood. And he drank something they called wine, but may have been cought off guard at how fast the grape broke down and fermented after the flood.

So a good question is, when Jesus made wine out of water, what process did He use, since this was a miracle. Did he use the process, taste, and fermentation of wine before the flood, which would be NILL, or was His miracle of an excellorated decomposing fermentation that happens after the flood?
---kathr4453 on 9/16/14


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I disagree with the UV theory. The Bible records that people were vegetarians before the flood (Gen 1:29), and that God provided CLEAN animals for food on the ark (by sevens - Gen 7:2), since there would not be any crops left after the flood. Lifespans went from ~900 years to ~200 years after the flood because of a change in diet from herbivore to carnivore.


---jerry6593 on 9/16/14


Good point moderator.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/15/14


Gee Moderator, you may've spoiled the discussion. :) Then again knowing this bunch, maybe not ~ we'll see! Thanks for posting the question with your absolutely correct response.
---Leon on 9/15/14


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