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If you have to move home (too far away for you to travel to your former church) how would you go about choosing your new spiritual home (church). Would the denomination be the most important, would you visit a few first, ask your former pastor to recommend one or something else?

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But say a christian as a baby gets caught in that snare? What should we do? Show them truth through God's Word...And thinking you hear something not of God will eventually be manifest, and a learning experience.
---kathr453 on 10/3/14

Sometimes, it can be a rather difficult learning experience. Some people never come back from that kind of learning experience. Or they never try to follow Gods will again. They feel humiliated and abandoned by God and other believers.

This is where the wisdom of mature Christians may be able to save the person a most difficult lesson.

This is where a Timothy needs a mentoring Paul.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/3/14


The reason so many Christians do not mature in Christ, is outside interference. Those who think they KNOW how God is working in your life when they may have no clue how God is working. An example is our faith being tested and tried. We really never KNOW exactly what the Lord wants to accomplish in us, and His step by step work in us. Example...being delivered from abuse. Something so personal, so intimately dealing with our own individual feelings, emotional make up, things ONLY God can see even we can't...and certainly not some outsider. And then we come through it, looking back saying AWWWWW now I understand what that was all about. Even Job can testify to that. Look what he said at the end of his ordeal.....the others had no clue.
---kathr4453 on 10/3/14


Mark_Eaton, those who say they hear from God, could be like Joseph Smith. God never tells anyone anything in opposition to His word. But say a christian as a baby gets caught in that snare? What should we do? Show them truth through God's Word. If they can't HEAR that truth, God says REJECT. Our God is a jealous God, and will keep and protect His own in ways you may never have experienced. Even Lot was delivered out of Sodom by the Grace of God, because Lot belonged to God. You give the Lord so little credit in taking care of His own. He is our shepherd, going before us, protecting us from the wolves and poison plants along the way.

And thinking you hear something not of God will eventually be manifest, and a learning experience.
---kathr453 on 10/3/14


Mark_Eaton, God speak to us through His Word. And we know that God's Word is so deep in fact, that a mature Christian can see in a verse something deeper than a baby Christian. We are individually being exercised to go from milk to meat. And it's not meat a mature christian chews up for us and then puts in our mouth. It's meat WE eat, as we Mature.

We also have an anointing to discern truth from lie, also an exercise we learn individually. We each have to run the race on our own two feet.

Psalms 23 is a good example of a personal journey we all need to,take and learn and have wrought in us. Paul shares with us his own personal journey, as a guideline of our walk of faith.
---kathr4453 on 10/3/14


TODAY individuals have that personal intimate relationship with the Lord. The Holy Spirit is our teacher and leads us into truth.
---kathr4453 on 10/2/14

I think you are missing what I am trying to say.

Many people hear "from the Lord" and what they hear is not from the Lord.

If people would discuss what they heard with another believer, say a mentor, their pastor, their deacon, perhaps what they heard could be understood better. Perhaps they could get confirmation but perhaps they would get dissention. But clarity comes from waiting.

Going it alone in spiritual matters is never a good thing.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/3/14




Thanks Kathr. When I moved to a new area some years ago I asked God to lead me to the church that He was preparing for me. I wanted no more moving from one to another and bided my time. One day I felt lead to a specific church and absolutely KNEW that it was the right one for me. I am an active member there taking part in all things I am capable of doing and feel certain I will not move church again unless, for some reason, I have to move house also.

If that should happen I KNOW that God will have prepared a church 'home' for me also.
---Rita_H on 10/3/14


//Many immature believers have been led astray by their own pet beliefs.//

That is why so many individuals leave the Church and start meeting in peoples houses. They don't like something from the teachings they are receiving so they leave and find someone who believes as they do. Charles T. Russell comes to mind. He was born of Presbyterian parents. He was troubled by their doctrines so he begin to read E.G. Whites writings and believed most of her teachings and so started his own church at his home with N.H. Barbour who led a splinter Adventist group. They added their own beliefs and made a new church.
---Luke on 10/3/14


Matthew 18:18-21

18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

These verses have nothing to do with hearing from God, or even getting anything you want because two or more agree, but has to do with binding and loosing.
---kathr4453 on 10/3/14


RitaH, to your blog question....

I think prayer would be the first thing to do. And yes, if you liked and trusted the preaching of your pastor, it would be good to to ask his advise. But rather than just getting the name of a church, ask him WHY he would recommend.

Sometimes it takes a few visits to a church to really listen and see how the church interacts with it's congregation. Many baptist churches, although baptist, ( here in the usa) are as different as night and day from one another. So just going by a denomination may not always work out. We had one BIG WELL-KNOWN Baptist church here so worldly that other Baptist Churches refused to have fellowship with them.
---kathr4453 on 10/2/14


Mark 'only when two or more are gathered together.'.

That is not the ONLY case. You can take the case, for example, of Elijah, where God initially spoke to him alone.....
---Peter on 10/2/14




We should adhere to the principle that we hear from God only when two or more are gathered together.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/2/14

Mark_Eaton, ADHERE and ONLY, leaves little room for misunderstanding. To understand that verse, in the OT only prophets priests and kings heard from God. TODAY, ALL can hear from God directly, as today religious rules do not apply as it did under Law. TODAY individuals have that personal intimate relationship with the Lord. The Holy Spirit is our teacher and leads us into truth. My sheep hear MY voice, not the voices and chatter of so many who are nothing more than the friends of Job.
And we don't need POPES to tell us what God means or is saying. ...who've actually patterned their church after the LAW.
---kathr4453 on 10/2/14


\\Perhaps if believers conferred with other believers, we would have less craziness in the BOC.\\

This includes conferring with those who have gone before is in the faith.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/14


And individuals can hear from God....
---kathr4453 on 10/2/14

Perhaps if believers conferred with other believers, we would have less craziness in the BOC.

Of course, individuals can hear from God. Where did I say they could not? Yet, we can still hear other voices besides God. Our own desires, the world, our enemy.

We need to be less arrogant and more submissive when it comes to hearing from God. Jesus and the Apostles thought it was wise to pair believers together.

Many immature believers have been led astray by their own pet beliefs.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/2/14


---Mark_Eaton on 10/2/14

We hear from God only because we are IN CHRIST. And individuals can hear from God. How horrible to think you were imprisoned, isolated and alone for your faith, and someone makes a rule that you can't hear from God because another believer is not present. May it never be. Jesus said I will never leave you or forsake you to each and every believer. He lives IN YOU and you IN HIM and have fellowship with Him 365/24/7 no matter what! And folks, the testing of your faith...IS NOT a group assignment, but an individual one. YOU can ask wisdom and He will give to you. Some things are totally private between you and the Lord and don't need to have group analysis meetings to obey God.
---kathr4453 on 10/2/14


Didn't Jesus say wherever two or more are gathered, there he shall be?
---Steveng on 9/29/14

I have a slight detour on this verse.

I believe Jesus being in the midst of two or more believers, we become true witnesses of Christ.

In Biblical times, two witnesses were required for true testimony to be given.

When we are alone and hear from God, perhaps it is only for us alone or perhaps it is not God speaking.

We should adhere to the principle that we hear from God only when two or more are gathered together.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/2/14


About if people should meet in a home or have an organized denomination with a hierarchy . . . Paul had Timothy and Titus under him, and they had elders at local churches. Philemon had a church at his house. So, there can be good use of everything.

But if a house church is isolated, this is not good. But, also, married couples can be isolated to seeking what they want. But this does not mean marriage is wrong!! (c:

And we have reports that leaders high in hierarchies have not been able to tell the difference between a predator and a qualified pastor (1 Timothy 3:1-10). So, wrong people can form hierarchies or home churches or marriages.
---com7fy8 on 10/2/14


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"Well, I think that's a good idea, to ask a former pastor, he might know a good church in the area. But most of all be led by the Holy Spirit, in prayer. I think I used to go by, as I was driving . . . I might be intrigued by the message on the sign and I might think, I'll investigate this one. Maybe you can go by the name of a church, or maybe you can't."

"'Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.'" (John 7:24)

People can copy-cat. If a church's standards are what a psychopath can imitate . . . "maybe" they are superficial conformists.

I would say see if people of a church are obviously ministering for you to grow in Jesus.
---com7fy8 on 10/1/14


\\We pass on only scripture.\\

That is questionable.

The Apostles themselves did no limit themselves to the Bible.

\\100% of the money go to help the poor and needy\\

St. Paul said that money and other gifts should go to support ministers of the Gospel.

\\We know each other intimately so that we do not steer away from the road to the Kingdom of God.\\

Who steered Ananaias and Sapphira into the Kingdom of God?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/14


//How do you absolutely, positively know for sure what messages we pass on if you don't belong to our group?//

Steven,
I know you from the group, and hear your message against all organized congregations. You say they are created by Satan. But not your little home church. As if you have been to all denominations yet you judge all of them.
You asked how many people I know who have fallen from the path in my Church, and in my church not one.
I have been to many other denominations who teach the gospel very well. Jesus tells us there will always be tares mixed in the visible church. I'm not God to know who is save and who is not. You judge all churches that do not meet your requirements, as if you were God.
---Luke on 10/2/14


Luke worte: "Steven,
but you are passing the wrong message."

How do you absolutely, positively know for sure what messages we pass on if you don't belong to our group?

I'll tell you anyway. We pass on only scripture. That's it. Nothing more. If it's not in the bible, we don't preach it. If it cannot be proven by scripture we don't pass it on. We gather daily as written. We sing songs and pray. 100% of the money go to help the poor and needy. We know each other intimately so that we do not steer away from the road to the Kingdom of God. How many people do you know so well, intimately, people that you can confide in, in your denominational church that you are able to recognize they have fallen from the path?
---Steveng on 10/1/14


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Trav, Rod4Him:

Please scroll down to my 1st comment on this issue on 9/24/, it consists of four paragraphs.
Taken as a whole, the emphasis is on growth which should be present in a ministering group of the Lord.
I quoted Acts 8:4 to show that God scattered the early church for + growth.
I am convinced Trav didn't grasp everything before attacking me.
---Adetunji on 10/1/14


Rod4Him "Frankly, if I don't know the person up front, I don't trust him".

I find that statement truly sad. God gives us discernment which we might not have initially in our Christian walk but should acquire over time.

Your statement must mean that you never attend any church unless you know the actual preacher every time you attend.

You should be prepared to listen to unknown preachers and be confident that you can tell if they are true or false. If false then speak with your church leader and state why that person should not preach in your church again. Ensure that you take scripture to back up your claim/opinion/belief or whatever it is which makes you feel that way
---Rita_H on 10/1/14


How does one know if God is in the large group, or small group for that matter? If the person up front tells me God is in it?
Frankly, if I don't know the person up front, I don't trust him. Unfortunately, the older I get, the less I trust.
I used to trust until the person became untrustworthy, I've changed.
---Rod4Him on 9/30/14

AMEN, and better said with fewer words.
As you on trust.....show me, and I'll still trust GODs witnesses, before i will men claiming to be "men of GOD".
Have found few, and understand this too, being a faulty man myself.
In GOD we trust.
Rth_2:12 The LORD recompense thy work, and a full reward be given thee of the LORD God of Israel, under whose wings thou art come to trust.
---Trav on 9/30/14


It is TRAV that is bitter/angry with the large groups of Christians.
---Adetunji on 9/30/14

Understood you perfectly....in rebuking your un-documented in scripture berating of Steven.
I did get a glimpse of large church mentality made more viable/visable by your own witness. It can be the wide way....Pro_16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Pro_25:8 Go not forth hastily to strive, lest thou know not what to do in the end thereof, when thy neighbour hath put thee to shame.
Jer_5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means, my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
---Trav on 9/30/14


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//I am not against small group or large group. If God is in something small/big, I cannot condemn it.//

I am not against large groups. I take the position Paul took, "notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached, and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice."

How does one know if God is in the large group, or small group for that matter? If the person up front tells me God is in it?

Frankly, if I don't know the person up front, I don't trust him. Unfortunately, the older I get, the less I trust.

I used to trust until the person became untrustworthy, I've changed.
---Rod4Him on 9/30/14


TRAV: //Even if u r a high priest in Angola? Your disdain is an opinion, without scriptures. There is no meat or seed in your sour grapes.//

Thank God, thank you for your vituperation.
................

Rod4Him:

I am not against small group or large group. If God is in something small/big, I cannot condemn it.
It is TRAV that is bitter/angry with the large groups of Christians. It seems TRAV doesn't read orunderstand whatever one writes completely before spitting the venom.
---Adetunji on 9/30/14


//One passes on the Word and the receiver of the message passes it one to another,//

Steven,
but you are passing the wrong message. You are passing that all churches that do not meet at home like yours does, are created by Satan. You are spreading "bad news" not the "good news"
Jesus said, "God therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19). He didn't say to go out and bash every assembling of His Children. You carry an axe to the Cross.
---Luke on 9/30/14


Didn't Jesus say wherever two or more are gathered, there he shall be?

One passes on the Word and the receiver of the message passes it one to another, and that message passes on to another, and that message passes on to another, and that message passes on to another, and that message passes on to another, and that message passes on to another, and that message passes on to another, etc.
---Steveng on 9/29/14


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//TRAV: // Two or three families meeting together where everyone knows each other intimately unlike the denominational church where you know very few people, aquaintances at most.//
The above statement has no indication of growth.
---Adetunji on 9/27/14

The reason to assemble is to be able to know one another and to know "how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,..and encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the day drawing near."

If the above doesn't happen, then "church" didn't happen.

One another means one-another, not one person speaking to a large group.

Scripture doesn't say to grow big and that proves the group is blessed by God.
---Rod4Him on 9/29/14


TRAV: // Two or three families meeting together where everyone knows each other intimately unlike the denominational church where you know very few people, aquaintances at most.//
The above statement has no indication of growth.
---Adetunji on 9/27/14

Even if u r a high priest in Angola? Your disdain is an opinion, without scriptures. There is no meat or seed in your sour grapes.

You grow your own garden, we'll search and care for our flock running the false witnesses against out.

Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Mar_14:56 For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together.


---Trav on 9/29/14


//That is simply not true. Paul said he was a Jew. Aquila and Priscilla were Jews. Jesus said He was King of the Jews. Jesus said salvation is from the Jews.//

Rodforhim,
It's funny how this name suddenly pop-up on two of my answers. It must be time to use another name. It's ok.
Jesus is King of all human beings, why don't you get it? All those Jews who were converted are now Christians. Do the Jews without Christ love Christ? I don't think so, if they did they would be saved. All Jews are enemies of Christ. Of course the gospel came through them, but they did not receive it by faith.
"Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were by works of the law." (Rom. 9:32).
---Luke on 9/29/14


//Istill back up what I said, when the word Jew is used// Luke

A reiteration backs up what??
---aka on 9/28/14


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////Every time the word "Jew" is mentioned in the New T. it is used as enemies of Christ.//

That is simply not true. Paul said he was a Jew. Aquila and Priscilla were Jews. Jesus said He was King of the Jews. Jesus said salvation is from the Jews. I suggest people need to be careful about being anti semitic. BTW, many Jews (right or wrong) understand "Christian" as being murderers of Jews, and that is based on the treatment of Jews by "Christian" throughout the last 2,000 years of history. Some of Hitler's treatment of the Jews came from Martin Luther.
---Rod4Him on 9/28/14


//Every time the word "Jew" is mentioned in the New T. it is used as enemies of Christ.//

I still back up what I said, when the word Jew is used, it is talking about those who are lost and are enemies of Christ. Jews who are saved are called Christian. Christians belong to One Body in Christ. And of course Gentiles who are lost are also enemies of Christ. But the Bible was concern on Israel first. Then the Gentiles.
---Luke on 9/28/14


TRAV: // Two or three families meeting together where everyone knows each other intimately unlike the denominational church where you know very few people, aquaintances at most, meeting once a week.//
The above statement has no indication of growth.
---Adetunji on 9/27/14


//Jews who are lost are enemies of Christ.//

So are gentiles.
---Rod4Him on 9/27/14


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//This kind of meeting permanently limited to few families is really un-biblical.//
---Adetunji on 9/24/14

You sent your opinion, that Steven's meetings were "un-biblical".
Wrestling? Where? It was an open rebuke, you adjusted your plan-guage.
Nothing wrong with a firm statement/rebuke. Just back it with scriptures. You couldn't.
Who are you, a non visiting witness to judge what goes on in another's spiritual "Ekklesia search? Exactly. Don't always agree with Steven or he me. But, would have stood with him even if he was wrong....when a crowd scripturally unproven attacks or gangs up him or anybody.
Zec_10:8 I will hiss for them, ...
Even in a home "Ekklesia".
---Trav on 9/27/14


//Aka, I do not know what your problem is//

it's not i that has this particular problem. this simply is one of the most inaccurate statements. back you claim up with scripture. if it is true or admit you error or keep defending your claim.

//Every time the word "Jew" is mentioned in the New T. it is used as enemies of Christ.//
---aka on 9/27/14


//Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.//

Aka, I do not know what your problem is, but you did not read the very passage you gave. Those Jews who believe do not count, they are believers in Christ. All other Jews not saved were enemies of Christ. You find that more in the Gospels. When Jews are mentioned they are around Christ or they are asking questions it is because they are enemies of Christ and want to find wrong in His teachings. Believe it or not. Jews who are lost are enemies of Christ.
---Luke on 9/27/14


TRAV: I do not know what you are trying to wrestle on?
I sent a comment to Steveng based on his comment, he later explained what I was trying to find out & I am satisfied with his answer.
But you attack as if I hate small Christian groups.
If small & big groups are of God, then from where comes the attack of one on the other?
Unless you or your small group does not belong to God?
Can the finger nail say to the chest,"you are not needed" or vice-versa?
1 Corinthians 12:14-end.
---Adetunji on 9/26/14


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Trav,
you must be one that meets at a home, ..... Home churches function under their own authority.
They do what they want, and believe what they want. They are rebels to the Church at large.
---Luke on 9/26/14

Luke, you are special.
I don't go to a home church...but, have to my brothers house. Words can't describe the holy spirit when a family is singing, praying and studying with "our" family and extended....the "rest of the story" based with multiple witnesses...provided by GOD. Rarely provided in organized, politically correct denoms/churches today.
You require doctrines and follow rules of men...we only need GOD.
Mat_23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
---Trav on 9/26/14


//Every time the word "Jew" is mentioned in the New T. it is used as enemies of Christ.//

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

and many more.


Luke, you should proof read before you send and maybe pick up a new version of the bible but in your case...will it matter?
---aka on 9/26/14


//. His own killed him of the Church. His own, Judah, or those claimimg to be Judah did not even know him.//

Trav,
There you go, you admitted those claiming to be Judah (Jews-Israelites) did not believe Him or know Him. The reason Israel is still lost. But you said they were not. Now you admit they killed Christ. Yes, the Jews killed Christ. Every time the word "Jew" is mentioned in the New T. it is used as enemies of Christ. The fact is, they hated Him.
Trav,
you must be one that meets at a home, or you are just one who doesn't like our answers to Steven. But he is wrong. Home churches function under their own authority. They do what they want, and believe what they want. They are rebels to the Church at large.
---Luke on 9/26/14


//What is number of home churches you've personally see start//

Hundreds they are call friends and community. they start and end all the time
---Scott1 on 9/25/14


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However, your distaste for larger group of Christians is strange.
Except you can prove that God's Spirit does not work in large groups, ....
---Adetunji on 9/25/14

Strange? Much less strange than your fear of edifying small groups? Ha. You've yet to show scripture that your Large Group is more holy. While there are exceptions to anything....large does not mean "holy", or correct....its sign/mark is "popular". Popular can mean ...accepting and politically correct the$e day$. You assume ur safety in numbers.
Proof scripture by Christ.
Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
All we have from you still,.... is Large opinion.
---Trav on 9/25/14


"What is number of home churches you've personally see start?"
In the grand scheme of things Trav, not a huge number but,.... none succeeded.
---Rita_H on 9/25/14

But, what is the number you want us to be persuaded with? We know now was very,very low. One hand low. And it upset your church family. If these rebels were willing to go to this end risking their salvation by your standards....maybe they should have been heard. What a price....they paid...and your church let them go.

But, you did not visit with them, to know if they succeeded...right? I suspect they succeeded in their own way. Someone at your church is letting it die/killing it sounds like.
---Trav on 9/25/14


"What is number of home churches you've personally see start?" In the grand scheme of things Trav, not a huge number but, out of those, none succeeded. Either they collapsed totally or were left as just a family worshipping together (which is how they began) so that means they were back where they started having upset many in the churches from whom they broke away.
---Rita_H on 9/25/14


TRAV: //Permanently limited??...
Wouldn't go to your "large" wide way church in preference to a small group...//

The statement of Steveng that I commented earlier upon did not mention anything of growth, though he had added later how they record their growth and expand which is OK.
However, your distaste for larger group of Christians is strange.
Except you can prove that God's Spirit does not work in large groups, then your comments are very personal and adds nothing to edification (of Christ body).
---Adetunji on 9/25/14


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. Do they sent their own missionaries preaching what they believe?
---Luke on 9/25/14

They are the missionaries. Self funded, answering only to GOD. Not your unfounded opinions.
Please don't try it. It isn't working for you even here. Honor your building, and honor the denom rules of high priest of men.
Pray for them, your enemies, if you can't support braver Christians than you, as associates.

Act_24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Exo_34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

---Trav on 9/25/14


I have seen quite a number of home churches start (and have seen some end).

These groups are ALWAYS about power and power corrupts people.
---Rita_H on 9/25/14

What is number of home churches you've personally see start?? Consider before GOD with your number.

You think a larger denom group is not about power? Even in Christ day it was...power out of Control. His own killed him of the Church. His own, Judah, or those claimimg to be Judah did not even know him.
If home churches were illegal tomorrow would you turn em in to the authorized authoritys?

How many Home Churches have you been too to make these statements you've made?
---Trav on 9/25/14


I have seen quite a number of home churches start (and have seen some end). Always, with no exception, these home churches were started by people not prepared to accept any rules. They wanted to be the authority themselves and when they were not allowed to change the church they attended they started their own. These groups are ALWAYS about power and power corrupts people.
---Rita_H on 9/25/14


//these small home groups are usually the rebels who start even more splits between Christians because they don't want to be under someone else's authority. They break away and cause even more problems than many churches have already.

Any individual thinking that they can form a PERFECT church is being misled by Satan. We will never find a perfect church on earth.//

Rita,
you are so right. Small churches that have no authority from a larger church, are rebels. They have their own authority. They want nothing to do with any Church or denomination. They make their own rules, and then come on line and bash every Church out there that does not meet like his does. Do they sent their own missionaries preaching what they believe?
---Luke on 9/25/14


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You people are really something else, having absolutely no idea what christianity is all about, not knowing how the church grows.

Forty years ago I brought a few christians to break bread at my house. We would do what the bible teaches: read the bible, sing songs, pray, etc. As people become more mature in Christ they would form their own home church bringing together people they have converted. The church, the body of Christ, grows by preaching the Word, forming small groups, splitting up when groups become too large, and the cycle begins again.

You people who belong to denominational churches are stuck in your own little worlds - having the knowledge of God, but denying his power.
---Steveng on 9/24/14


..these small home groups are usually the rebels who start even more splits between Christians because they don't want to be under someone else's authority.
---Rita_H on 9/24/14

Considered Rebels here too....by the organized denoms. Even though they can't prove it by scripture. More a monetary loss.
There is a time for each of us to make a choice....follow watered down, precepts of men. Or follow, lead with what scripture actually says. The wide way is the easiest. Realize there is comfort knowing all those we are rubbing shoulders will, if deceived be suffering with us if we are wrong. What a comfort.
You might note that Christ would be a rebel in his day along with his Apostles. These days are similar.
---Trav on 9/24/14


Steveng: This kind of meeting permanently limited to few families is really un-biblical.
---Adetunji on 9/24/14

Permanently limited?? By you perhaps. Are you one of the Twelve Apostles? Large group is more holy?? Provide scripture for your incredible statement.
Wouldn't go to your "large" wide way church in preference to a small group that has more time to care each for another.

Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Mat_7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, many there be which go in thereat:
---Trav on 9/24/14


Steveng: //Two or three families meeting together where everyone knows each other intimately//

This kind of meeting permanently limited to few families is really un-biblical.
The meeting must be a growing group if it is of God.
You have to worship God, teach believers, & evangelize to increase in number.
If you are not increasing & you are of God, God will scatter that assembly to fulfill His own purpose just like HE did to the early church Acts 8:4.
---Adetunji on 9/24/14


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Stephen G " Two or three families meeting together where everyone knows each other intimately unlike the denominational church where you know very few people, aquaintances at most, meeting once a week."

Things might be different in U.S. but in U.K. these small home groups are usually the rebels who start even more splits between Christians because they don't want to be under someone else's authority. They break away and cause even more problems than many churches have already.

Any individual thinking that they can form a PERFECT church is being misled by Satan. We will never find a perfect church on earth.
---Rita_H on 9/24/14


//Meeting daily is most important in today's world because it's so easy to steer away from the path towards the Kingdom of God.//

Meeting in the homes is steering away from the kingdom of God. You help yourselves, talk to each other, even read. How are you helping the kingdom of God? What is our purpose? to stay in one house or another and be happy? Our purpose is to take the gospel to those who are lost in every nation. To spend the money for the kingdom of God. Imagine what God could do if you would invest just a portion of what he has given you for His purposes, for His kingdom, and for His glory. Money is an amazing thing when it is invested in God's Kingdom, for mission works. But you seat at home an complain about your money.
---Luke on 9/24/14


Christians ARE the church. So, to choose a church you would choose a christian? ,=)

Stay away from denominational churches (and all other "church" who are puppets for the government by being a non-profit corporation). One can truly grow and greatly mature in Christ when one is part of a small group of christians meeting in homes (or eslewhere), meeting daily as mentioned in the bible. Two or three families meeting together where everyone knows each other intimately unlike the denominational church where you know very few people, aquaintances at most, meeting once a week.

Meeting daily is most important in today's world because it's so easy to steer away from the path towards the Kingdom of God.
---Steveng on 9/23/14


I would not go with the denomination, though the asking the former pastor is reasonable - if you think his opinion is good. Visiting churches is also a good idea, but do go to some different churches as well
---Peter on 9/21/14


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I would choose by denomination. Since I am and will continue to be a Christian and a member of the Seventh day Adventist movement.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/21/14


Cluny, **Do you think I think He was?**

Isn't the "church" you attend, bricks and mortar where you worship ,sing praises and pray?
---1stcliff on 9/20/14


Adetunji, thank you. That is exactly how it has been. He lead me to the church and even chose the date that I should first attend. The week earlier I turned back and went home but did not understand why, but found out the following week. I fit in there like a hand in a glove and know that this is the place God chose for me.
---Rita_H on 9/19/14


\\Really Cluny, you think He was talking about bricks and morter ???
---1stcliff on 9/18/14\\

Do you think I think He was?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/19/14


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I would stay in touch, "of course", with ones who have helped me grow in Jesus. And we would pray together for me to find the people I belong with in my new area. With prayer, discover who I do well with, including who pastors me.

And wherever I visit, Jesus has me reaching people for Him, not only judging the church.

1 Timothy 3:1-10, 1 Peter 5:3 show me what qualifies a man to be a pastor. But the ones so qualified may not be up front preaching. They may be unordained seniors in the back, but they are mature and qualified to pastor the younger leaders who do the preaching and hard work.

You can tell if people are helping you get real with God and learn how to love any and all people like Jesus wants (c:
---com7fy8 on 9/19/14


Rita-H: Pray unto the Lord to lead & direct you to the congregation where HE wills that you join.
This helps because HE will support & help you though problems arise against you there.
You will also be most effective & useful in His vineyard where He leads.
---Adetunji on 9/19/14


Really Cluny, you think He was talking about bricks and morter ???
---1stcliff on 9/18/14


\\He sent evangelists out by twos , not to establish churches but to spread the gospel, not "religion"\\

And then Christ told St. Peter that He was going to build His Church.

Or is that verse not in your Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/18/14


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The right way to choose a church is by sound doctrine. Do they believe and use the Bible? Do they rightly divide the scriptures? Do they compromise doctrine to tickle ears? Do they promote ministry work according to Eph 3:9?
---michael_e on 9/18/14


Cluny, You know and I know that Paul invented the "church movement" or denominations, Christ did no such thing !
He sent evangelists out by twos , not to establish churches but to spread the gospel, not "religion"
---1stcliff on 9/18/14


Scott, thanks, I have never heard of Freedom church but will look it up just out of interest. I am not seeking a new church personally having changed when I moved house (to the one closest to my home as I felt that was the most sensible one to try FIRST). I am happier there than I have EVER been before so believe it to be God's choice for me and now I am an official member.
---Rita_H on 9/18/14


I am considering that right now but I am not moving.

Denomination is not important, most churches are actually Biblically sound just different ways of expressing that belief. What is important is how that belief is expressed in that churchs individual goals and mission statement. Other considerations are friends, personal season, life goals, worship style, preaching style, small group. By the way I love my current church and it purposes still.

Rita you live in the UK if possible you need to check out freedom church, but that is just a personal plug
---Scott1 on 9/18/14


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1stCliff - I take it that you have no answer to what I asked.
---Rita_H on 9/18/14


\\Rita, Is it necessary for salvation , to pick a church ?\\

Let us not forsake the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, such as 1stCliff.

There's an old saying, "Nobody is a Christian all by himself." But it's even stronger in the original Latin: Unus Christianus, nullus Christianus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/18/14


Rita, Is it necessary for salvation , to pick a church ?
Did Jesus ever suggest picking a church ?
---1stcliff on 9/18/14


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