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Trav, thinking you are so clever in throwing out scriptures you seem to THINK say something it doesn't re: this discussion...why? Because when you get caught or boxed in, you speak in circles and then call others stupid because you want them to think YOU have some special insight.

And in Adam ALL DIE whether Eve deceived Adam or not is not the point either

AND women are not SAVED in Childbirth. Unless you have a different definition of saved here.

So you say all woman who can't have children are lost?

Again the verses you pull out of your shoe???? are not even part of this conversation, only part of your smoke screen showing you have no clue!
---kathr4453 on 10/13/14


Won't YOU be surprised too Trav when your DNA blood test comes back at the great white throne judgment, we may all be humored by in God letting you judge yourself where you read those final results saying "WOOPS, sorry, no Jewish blood from any house of Israel or House of Judah here. God saying "Sorry Trav, you were never saved, nor ever had a chance."

Are you going to accept those final words?

The TWO HOUSE doctrine is false doctrine even among the Messianic Jewish Community.

---kathr4453 on 10/13/14


I certainly hope you are not saying all before Moses are lost forever? ALL whether under LAW or no law are DEAD in sin. In Adam all DIE.
---kathr4453 on 10/13/14


I didn't write these plainly stated scriptures stating, seek a father Deu 32:7.
They don't imply seeking you.
What you tangle, only you enjoy. That which you avoid....you must. But, other sheep may find/search the witnesses for.

1Ti 2:14 Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
---Trav on 10/13/14


---Trav on 10/13/14

I certainly hope you are not saying all before Moses are lost forever? ALL whether under LAW or no law are DEAD in sin. In Adam all DIE.

Hebrews 11 clearly state Abel is an heir of the righteousness BY FAITH, before any LAW was ever given. AND this same FAITH is what saves anyone today. The LAW is not of faith.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
---kathr4453 on 10/13/14


By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death, and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: -----.

7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house, by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
---kathr453 on 10/13/14




....Abel was not Israel. Enoch was not israel. Noah was not Israel......
Abel, Enoch, Noah did not become Israel.
---kathr4453 on 10/13/14

Ask a Father...Deu 32:7....

Deu_32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
Deu 32:9 For the LORD'S portion is his people, Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

Rom_5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
---Trav on 10/13/14


Christians are not grafted into Israel. The Israel of God is the spiritual Israel, those who believe.
---Luke on 10/13/14

Your Spritual Israel statements have no prophets. Just you and a theory.
I have seen and know you, though...through them.

Luk_1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Isa_43:1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name, thou art mine.
Isa_44:5 One shall say, I am the LORD'S, and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob, and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel.
---Trav on 10/13/14


If Israel is the root, what happened to those from Adam and Eve until God's covenant with Israel? Abel was not Israel. Enoch was not israel. Noah was not Israel. The covenant God made with Israel did not annul the promises God made with Abraham 400 years prior. Scripture clearly makes this clear. And seeing this statement was made shows you clearly the differences and TIME laps between these covenants. And even the NEW Covenant did not annul the promises made to Abraham. God did not promise Abraham a NEW Covenant , because He found fault with the Old....why would He? The EVERLASTING COVENANT , made from before the foundation of the world, made in the Blood of Jesus Christ has no fault found in it. Abel, Enoch, Noah did not become Israel.
---kathr4453 on 10/13/14


//If Israel is not the root then your worship of God is in vain, your faith is in vain, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men, for it is written that christians are grafted into Israel//

Christians are not grafted into Israel. The Israel of God is the spiritual Israel, those who believe.
There is an Israel after the flesh" 1 Cor. 10:18, and an "Israel of God" Gal. 6:16. made up of Jewish people and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah. To apply the "all Israel" which "will be saved" to a group of Jews or Israelis who are separated from God's Church is to deny the wall Breaker's specific and staggering accomplishments on the cross.
---Luke on 10/13/14


If Israel is not the root then your worship of God is in vain, your faith is in vain, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men, ...
---Steveng on 10/12/14

Deu_29:13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
1Ch_1:28 The sons of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael.
1Ch_1:34 And Abraham begat Isaac. The sons of Isaac, Esau and Israel.
Mat_22:32 I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Heb_11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
---Trav on 10/13/14




If Israel is not the root then christianity is dead.
If Israel is not the root then your worship of God is in vain, your faith is in vain, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men, for it is written that christians are grafted into Israel, still God's chosen people and the apple of his eye.

Romans 9:68
Romans 11:24

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter, and his praise is not from men, but from God." Romans 2:28, 29
---Steveng on 10/12/14


Manasseh/Ephraim 9.5 and 2.5 sure does allow for serious game changing and mind bending. thus, the need for even deeper spelunking.
---aka on 10/9/14

Spelunking with tha brutha's ....they'd had some adventures and tragedy's. Then there is the Twin, that I used to forget about. He added some complications...for consideration. Jacob's brother, Esau.
Heb_12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Mal_1:3 I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Mal_1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
---Trav on 10/12/14


Samuel, God never ever found fault with the Everlasting Covenant, made between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 13:20-21 Romans 8:11-13 read together please.

The fault found with the Old or Mosaic Covenant was that it could never complete or make anyone PERFECT. Hebrews 10. The Blood of the EVERLASTING COVENANT.

And although you see an overlapping and similarities between the New and Everlasting, the NEW to Israel includes Isaiah 14:1 Ezekiel 36...ALL of Ezekiel 36. The CHURCH was never promised Land or becomes Israel.



---kathr4453 on 10/12/14


Heb 8:8... a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Ephesians 2:12-13 "at that time",... being aliens from "common-wealth" of Israel, .... ye who "sometimes" were "far off" are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
these and others say the church is Israel.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/12/14

Without understanding....you change scripture.
Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31...states two parties involved. Phrases "at that time", "common-wealth" and "far off" are signs,marks of the Nth House of Israel.
You are correct ironically, the "ekklesia", church is Israel...now mostly the Nth House. Others are drawn....by Israels new relationship.
---Trav on 10/12/14


Hebrews 8:8

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:


Ephesians 2:12-13

That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 11.

All these and others say the church is Israel. Listen to many Christmas Hymns. About the Church being Israel.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/12/14


Tell me what Ephesians and Hebrews mean when they say the New Covenant we are part of is for and makes us part of Israel?

---Samuelbb7 on 10/10/14


Samuel, I don't know what scriptures you are referring to. Individual saved Gentiles are not the "House of" Israel or the "House of" Judah. that's talking to a group as a whole, a group who existed in the OT who were of the 12 tribes of Jacob. And Ephesians says Gentiles who were aliens and foreigners without hope are brought near by the BLOOD of Jesus Christ...again going back to the Everlasting Covenant.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/14


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Correct Kathr and Luke. Each covenant given to men and through the Children of Abraham, added to our understanding and they are giving us more information not placing two. The Covenant to Jacob was from Abraham. We are promised the New Earth.
Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Issac is also mentioned who is the father of Jacob. All these are those through whom the Covenant of the Messiah was to come. We are saved because of the Messiah who Moses tells a lot about and all the following prophets. All the words of Scripture are for us. 2Timothy3:16
Tell me what Ephesians and Hebrews mean when they say the New Covenant we are part of is for and makes us part of Israel?
---Samuelbb7 on 10/10/14


Kathr, I am glad you spoke of the "Everlasting Covenant." It is also called the "Covenant of Redemption." It was a covenant that was made between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit before the foundation of the world. It was not a Plan B in case man fail. It was made because in the plan of God man was going to fail. The Covenant of Redemption or everlasting Covenant stresses the total agreement between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Triune Jehovah, Father, Son and Holy Spirit working together in sovereign wisdom, power and love to achieve the salvation of a chosen people, the Father electing, the Son fulfilling the Father's will by redeeming, the Spirit executing the purpose of the Father and Son by renewing.
---Luke on 10/10/14


Samuel, the covenant was announced in genesis 3:15. With Abraham there are two covenants. To all families of the earth...and one through Isaac and Jacob to Israel including land. All families of the earth were not promised any land, nor was Abel, or any before Israel became a nation. The one to Jacob and Israel was the Law of Moses, exclusively to them under a theocracy.

All this is in Galatians as well. The covenant Paul is telling the Gentile Galatians is not the covenant to Jacob, but the one to Abraham of that promise of the messiah. Jacob is not even mentioned in Galatians. And we see in Hebrews Abraham didn't look for land, but looked for the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM.
---kathr4453 on 10/9/14


You are close Kathyr.

Correct there is an everlasting Covenant but it was made with mankind in the Garden of Eden. There all humans were promised the Messiah would come.

To Abraham the Covenant was renewed and given more detail. It passed from Abraham to Issac and then to Jacob whose name was changed to Israel. Genesis 32 to each the Covenant was renewed and more details added. Then through Moses it was set up. Showing all abut the Messiah to come and giving us the written word which is to instruct us. 2tim3:16

The final is called the New Covenant and it includes all who came before so none of them are lost since we are all saved by Grace through JESUS.

Please pray on this and ask GOD for guidance.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/9/14


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Samuel, look at it this way. IF the Everlasting Covenant was annulled and made new, all those before Jesus death and resurrection must be floating around in space in limbo, since even those under the Old Covenant could never be saved by that covenant. That Covenant made in Genesis 3:15 and more fully revealed to Abraham clearly says the Old Covenant did not annul the promises made to Abraham.
---kathr4453 on 10/9/14


Samuel, there is a difference between the Everlasting Covenant and the Old Covenant replaced by the New Covenant. The New Covenant comes under the umbrella of the Everlasting Covenant but is not the everlasting Covenant.

The New Covenant replaced the Old to Israel, however the Everlasting Covenant was made before the foundation of the world of which Abel is under.
---kathr4453 on 10/9/14


And Samuel in references to your verses, the Everlasting Covenant never needed to be made NEW. It's been in place from before the foundation of the World and still in place to this day. That Covenant is between the Father Son and Holy Spirit.
---kathr453 on 10/9/14


The root is two fold. It is JESUS who gives us life.

But the everlasting covenant was passed down to the jews and then on to us. We are part of the New Covenant made with Israel.


Hebrews 8:8

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

As pointed out in Ephesians and Romans we gentiles are grafted in to the Covenant that was passed down to all believers through Israel and Judah.

That is what the Bible says right here and in the other passages.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/9/14


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Not sure on her present state at the time....she wasn't married, no one claimed her hand politically or by religion. Rome or the Jews didn't want her.....nor any earthy man.

---Trav on 10/8/14

Manasseh/Ephraim 9.5 and 2.5 sure does allow for serious game changing and mind bending. thus, the need for even deeper spelunking.

at this time, i will yield and claim Matt 5:18 again. i am too small for jotting and tittling. i am tired.

Pro_20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD, how can a man then understand his own way?
---aka on 10/9/14


// BOTH JEW AND GENTILE are not grafted into Israel.
---kathr4453 on 10/9/14//
How true kathr, Becoming a NEW creature.
---michael_e on 10/9/14


Only if you believe the ROOT you were grafted into was Israel, would you then become an israelite. But the ROOT IS NOT ISRAEL. The ROOT, is the Everlasting Covenant made from before the foundation of the world before there was an Israel, before Jesus was ever born an israelite. Those saved before Israel became a nation from Abel to Moses were also part of this ROOT, and no one refers to them as the "original Israel", so why should the church be called the NEW Israel?

Therefore the CHURCH does not become Israel. The CHURCH made up of BOTH JEW AND GENTILE are not grafted into Israel.
---kathr4453 on 10/9/14


The Jewish people who did not believe were broken off that Gentiles may be grafted in.


Rom 11:20-23

Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity, but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Gentiles are now Israel. See Ephesians. Those who do not continue in the goodness of GOD are cut off.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/8/14


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yes. scattered. but, i have the feeling that these two women were not scattered in Jesus' three year ministry.

the scriptural witness of five husbands is deep. who is no. 6 that is not her husband? number of man? of the world? hmmmm.
---aka on 10/8/14

Appropriate for sure Matt 5:18.
Not sure on her present state at the time....she wasn't married, no one claimed her hand politically or by religion. Rome or the Jews didn't want her.....nor any earthy man.
Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
---Trav on 10/8/14


"afar"...51 times found.
---Trav on 10/6/14

yes. scattered. but, i have the feeling that these two women were not scattered in Jesus' three year ministry.

no matter...for right now....jesus crosses all Ts and dots all "eyes". Mat_5:18

the scriptural witness of five husbands is deep. who is no. 6 that is not her husband? number of man? of the world? hmmmm.
---aka on 10/8/14


I am sure Trav will find fault on what you say.
---Luke on 10/7/14

Worry instead about GOD finding fault with what you are changing to fit your personal perception.
Have only pointed to scriptures completely opposite of your vague un-scriptural "theories".
If one chooses to go against the prophets....Apostles, GOD and Christ it is a personal choice. When you seek to dispose of that which GOD loves, you are fulfilling scripture.
It is not on me after pointing or explaining.
Having warned and pointed...poorly perhaps but, with all my ability.
Amo_3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
Punishment...in order of correction.
---Trav on 10/7/14


Yes Luke, amen. Excellent collaborating scriptures. Thanks.
---joseph on 10/7/14


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Samuel, no scripture says anyone can be removed. God may cut short the time of the fullness of the Gentiles coming in, but never removed.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/14


Joseph, very good points you made. I am sure Trav will find fault on what you say. But the Bible is very clear, Jesus is the Israel of God.
God referred to the nation of Israel as "My Son, My firstborn" (Exo. 4:22) yet Paul later called our Messiah "the firstborn over all creation" (Col. 1:15).
The prophet Isaiah clearly called Israel, "the seed of Abraham" (Isaiah 41:8) Yet Paul wrote, " Now to Abraham and his "SEED" were the promises made." he does not say, "And to seeds," as many, but as of One. "And to your SEED," who is Christ" (Col.3:16)
---Luke on 10/7/14


The children of Israel of OT were a representative foreshadowing pointing towards the Israel of God of the NT. Jesus represents the Israel of God, which includes all who are in Him."When Irael was a child, I loved Him, and called my child out of Egypt." Hos. 11:1 This was not only representative of the exodus of the children of Israel from Egyptian bondage. It prophetically pointed to "when Joseph took Jesus and His mother Mary by night, and departed into Egypt, and was there until the death of Herod. That it might be fulfilled that which was spoken of the LORD by by the prophet, saying, out of Egypt I have called My Son. Mat.2:15
---joseph on 10/6/14


The Church has taken the place that Israel once held as the people of GOD by faith.
Any Jew can still be grafted back in. We can also be removed.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/2/14

This is a common spoken belief these days, I can't find it backed up by any of Christ or GOD's spokepersons.....Apostles or Prophets.
The natural branches are the Judeans.....the Nth House of ten that would be grafted back into the Jacob/Israel tree...they are born of.
Jer_11:16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,.....
---Trav on 10/6/14


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trav, .... there is one dish that tastes a little funny. one setting is in sychar (shechem) and the other appears to be set near the Mount of Olives. aren't each in samaria and judea respectively?
---aka on 10/1/14

You've gone past where I've ever taken it....so don't know these details.
Do know though that the put-away Nth House was mixed with Samaritans. But, they been mixed "afar", "scattered", and "lost", everywhere.
Interesting, your find/pointing. Thanks. Other men pointed....I looked. Through scriptural witnesses, prove out.....
Eph_2:17 came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
"afar"...51 times found.
---Trav on 10/6/14


No matter from what country or nation a person comes from, they all need to believe by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His works. His death, and His resurrection. Israel has to go through the same way, only One way and that is through Christ Jesus.
---Luke on 10/4/14


Mat 21:43-45
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

The Church has taken the place that Israel once held as the people of GOD by faith.

Any Jew can still be grafted back in. We can also be removed.

Rom 11:21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/2/14


"I see there are views on both sides."

We are engaged to Jesus our Groom who is the Messiah of the Jews. So, we are going to be married to Him. And Jews got this started (c:
---com7fy8 on 10/1/14


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//The term "lake of fire" is found ONLY IN REVELATION.// f4f

yes, the phrase is found only in the Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ. However, the reference is to the Valley of Hinnom or Gehenna in the OT and NT.

Shechem and Sychar (same place, different name
---aka on 10/1/14


Jer 3:6 "Have you seen what she did, that faithless one, Israel, how she went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and there played the harlot?

Jer 3:8 She saw that for all the adulteries of that faithless one, Israel, I had sent her away with a decree of divorce, yet her false sister Judah did not fear, but she too went and played the harlot.

WE are not "ISRAEL", we don't simply have JESUS AS MESSIAH, we have THE SPIRIT ALSO.

1 John 5:6 explains that we have THREE WITNESSES (the JEWS only had TWO).

The term "lake of fire" is found ONLY IN REVELATION. The Jews brought many pagan practices and beliefs from Egypt and the BOOK OF THE DEAD (God has a book of LIFE).
---faithforfaith on 10/1/14


//Might consider Ephraim and Manasseh. Who make a shadowed thirteen....making search limb out in places// trav

In gen 49...how many were as jacob and how many were as israel...5 to 7 split?

Rev 7 Judah (+ ephraim)?

Made good for golden calves.

O, Danny boy.
---aka on 10/1/14


.... The Jews were introduced ("betrothed"/engaged) to Christ in order to make them PURE.
---faithforfaith on 9/26/14

Hi triple f, prophets and (12, a Hmmmm number) Apostles witness, "all" Israel. Judah/Benjamin, two parts of twelve.
Jer_31:4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel:
Jer_31:21 .... set thine heart toward the highway, even the way which thou wentest: turn again, O virgin of Israel, turn again to these thy cities.
Hos_2:19 I will betroth thee unto me for ever, yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
Mat_25:1 ...likened unto ten virgins, ... went forth to meet the bridegroom.
---Trav on 9/29/14


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can i have a mulligan on the mulligan statement?

maybe a better formula...

12=((2+10)-5)+5=12. (in consideration of all from Gen 1 to Rev 22.)
---aka on 9/27/14

Bible math. Took me a lifetime to deal with worlds math. Use as many Mulligans as necessary.
Might consider Ephraim and Manasseh. Who make a shadowed thirteen....making search limb out in places.

Your Seven Church math kinda jumps out at me though. Interesting shelved, consideration until more math or witness show.
Pro_7:15 Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, I have found thee.
Pro_8:17 I love them that love me, those that seek me early shall find me.
---Trav on 9/29/14


//Interesting math, ..., it sure seems viable. Throw some more bones this one that was buried and might just chew good.// ---Trav

can i have a mulligan on the mulligan statement?

ok..in Gen, The Father starts with 12...years go by...things happen. in rev, john sees Jesus talking to seven spirits. however, it doesn't mean that the furious five is a permanent deletion.

Rev 21:9..Then came one of the seven angels "Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb."
Rev 21:10-14 the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

3 on each north, south, east, and west

see 1Ki_7:25.

maybe a better formula...

12=((2+10)-5)+5=12. (in consideration of all from Gen 1 to Rev 22.)
---aka on 9/27/14


5 - 5 + 5 + 2 = 7

Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia:
---aka on 9/26/14

Interesting math, if it is correct, it sure seems viable. Throw some more bones this one that was buried and might just chew good.
---Trav on 9/27/14


The word "HUSBAND" refers to HOUSEMASTER/caretaker. The House of Israel ("her") had only ONE "husband"/caretaker (we have three) .....
---faithforfaith on 9/26/14

The hardest thing to unlearn we've been taught is that Judah equals all Israel. Scripture does not verify this anywhere. No prophet does.
If one researchs the analogy's/parables...using the word "ten", you will find most prophecy for Nth house of ten divorced. Divorce is a key, betrothed, put away etc, etc.
Note the marriage laws and who they were too. It is by death the wife is freed from her former husband. Free to remarry.
Judah is freed at the same time. So the "whole house of Israel"...... <
---Trav on 9/27/14


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The word "HUSBAND" refers to HOUSEMASTER/caretaker. The House of Israel ("her") had only ONE "husband"/caretaker (we have three) and was not a "PURE bride". The Jews were introduced ("betrothed"/engaged) to Christ in order to make them PURE.


2Corin. 11:2 I feel a divine jealousy for you, for I betrothed you to Christ to present you as a pure bride to her one husband.
---faithforfaith on 9/26/14


We will all reckon with the Lord...---Trav

yes,
thanks to a "few" crumbs i picked up along the Way (including CNet) on which this dog feeds, i can see how scripture supports scripture, prophets support prophets, and Blood supports blood.

i do not believe jesus is offering a mulligan to the furious 5.

Peter, 1st epistle, addresses the dispersed 5.

1Pe_2:12...Gentiles:...they speak against you as evildoers...1Pe_4:3 ...will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

say goodbye to hollywood.

10 + 2 = 12
5 + 5 + 2 = 12
5 - 5 + 5 + 2 = 7

Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia:
---aka on 9/26/14


think the reason why five comes up with me...so his sheep resemble sheep and not turn into goats. (i have some more. :-)
---aka on 9/25/14

Got talents? Yes u do. (wipe ur lip off)ha.
Mat_25:2 five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

Mat_25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to every man according to his several ability, and straightway took his journey.
Mat_25:16 Then he that had five talents went and traded with the same, made them other five...
Mat 25:18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
Mat 25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
We will all reckon with the Lord....
---Trav on 9/26/14


//Didn't post to discourage anyone. //

i am good with faith and scraps. who am i to deny such a love story?

ten is a noble adventure. the spirit through you and a few other like char, chria has opened up a new world to me in the past 5 years (ha, ha). i think the reason why five comes up with me...so his sheep resemble sheep and not turn into goats. (i have some more. :-)
---aka on 9/25/14


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....but, doesn't everybody want a glimmer of hope?
many seek fool's gold and a few ask for just a crumb and a sip.
---aka on 9/25/14

Likewise, please give me "forgiveness/mercy", if tis just a crumb....thank you, Lord.
Didn't post to discourage anyone. Truth is ultimate..... GOD's witnessed truth, which free's of doctrine tainted of men.
GOD is GOD of all. If he wants you for something or israel...who are any to object?
If you/i have laws in your heart and mind.... only one way for those to be written there. Heb 8:10. If you or i learn them....they are still viable...before GOD and men.
Check these Mighty"ites" out that fought for David. Five-rock on bro.
1Ch 11:23-47
---Trav on 9/25/14


Remember King David's mercy on Mephibosheth?(selfie "a dead dog", he had 2 "blind" feet)

David chose 5 smooth,(perhaps wise too)stones
---aka on 9/24/14

Heart wringer the story on Mephibosheth. Michal, Sauls daughter, David wife purchased with fskins, a wonder study also. 1st wife...no children...ever.
Just punched up the word "ten", is found 223 times....much to look at there. Five is found 270 times....one thought heard, is that four of five stones may have been for the other brothers of Goliath.
perhaps the five Philistine lords, in 1Sam6:16?
---Trav on 9/25/14


//to me//-trav
i can relate. by now, i have accepted that i am at least merely a "scrappy" mutt. if jesus does not recognize me, i know enough about me to understand. it is for my family that i dig and ask Jesus to save them. a few goyim did at that time with wondrous results.

but, doesn't everybody want a glimmer of hope?

OT Joseph also archetype of things to come..Gen 47:2 And from among his brothers he took five men and presented them to Pharaoh.

Interesting that Joseph traded up via his preparations, but the amazing thing was that in the end, he did not cast egyptian goyim away, but saved them and made them pharoah's servants.

many seek fool's gold and a few ask for just a crumb and a sip.
---aka on 9/25/14


5 wise + 5 foolish
bridegroom says to 5 foolish, "I know you not."(see Mat25:12)
---aka on 9/24/14

to me, 5 foolish, not prepared/thorough with their light/oil...go through trib. Are short/scrambling during the pre signal opening of bridegroom door. Which is Now.

Pro_21:20 is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise, but a foolish man spendeth it up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready:

livestock separation, i note the ones who..."inasmuch" below.
Mat 25:40 the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto "one" of the "least" of these "my brethren", ye have "done it unto me".
---Trav on 9/25/14


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(10 virgins only mentioned 1x in scripture, just saying)
---aka on 9/24/14

One search at a time.... Help me out. Same theme... or context.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will.... br>Jer_31:3...an everlasting love: therefore...
Eze_16:8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love, I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, thou becamest mine.
And the finale in 63....
Eze 16:63 That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD.

Looking for more....
---Trav on 9/25/14


//10 Virgins// trav

Mat25...(10 virgins only mentioned 1x in scripture, just saying)

5 wise + 5 foolish

bridegroom says to 5 foolish, "I know you not."(see Mat7:23)

David, archetype of things to come. Mat20:30..there were two blind men..Jesus was passing...cried out,"Lord, have mercy on us, Son of David!"

Remember King David's mercy on Mephibosheth?(selfie "a dead dog", he had 2 "blind" feet)

David chose 5 smooth,(perhaps wise too)stones

later in chap 25,Son of Man divides ethnos..right sheep..left goats. right inherit kingdom, left depart from SoM.

who's in the houses of 5 little bo peeps who are lost with their sheeps..i mean goats (not so free)
---aka on 9/24/14


//10 Virgins// trav

Mat25...(10 virgins only mentioned 1x in scripture, just saying)

5 wise + 5 foolish

bridegroom says to 5 foolish, "I know you not."(see Mat7:23)

David, archetype of things to come. Mat20:30..there were two blind men..Jesus was passing...cried out,"Lord, have mercy on us, Son of David!"

Remember King David's mercy on Mephibosheth?(selfie "a dead dog", he had 2 "blind" feet)

David chose 5 smooth,(perhaps wise too)stones

later in chap 25,Son of Man divides ethnos..right sheep..left goats. right inherit kingdom, left depart from SoM.

who's in the houses of 5 little bo peeps who are lost with their sheeps..i mean goats (not so free)
---aka on 9/24/14


(Said "my" prophets in the sense that....seems that few want them, except of course our GOD, who provided) ..
---Trav on 9/24/14

gotcha...i prefer ice cold, living water...thanks.
---aka on 9/24/14


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Ephesians the Church is Israel.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/24/14

Hosea and other prophets confirm....Israel is the wife, body, Church.
Yes, for a period taken from blood family Judah.
With a held out hand to the divorced North house of ten, blood family...still. By Christ death Nth House is free again. 10 Virgins free.

Others do not displace Israel, or the prophets are false. Israels relationship with GOD brought us all blessings and life/light.
Freedom established on Truth is preferable than circular confusion or dim doctrine. Too some.
Hos_2:19-20 I will betroth thee unto me for ever, yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
---Trav on 9/24/14


trav,
i am not sure that you'd eat dinner with me. but, much respect.
---aka on 9/23/14

Oh yeah, any meal anytime with AKA and hand ya a bottle of cold water.
Mat 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward, he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
Mat 10:42 whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
(Said "my" prophets in the sense that....seems that few want them, except of course our GOD, who provided) ..
---Trav on 9/24/14


The Church is Israel because it was taken from those by blood and give to those who follow by faith.

Rom 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Mat 21:41-42
They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Read Ephesians the Church is Israel.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/24/14


God calls Israel 'MY Son" is God married to His Son? Trav should have the answer.
---Luke on 9/24/14


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trav, i keep scouring the blogs for flogging or any unintentional harm. i don't understand.

i do not understand everything that you are not saying. i am not sure that you'd eat dinner with me. but, much respect.

nevertheless, one thing that is for sure...the prophets are not anyone's but the Lord's.
---aka on 9/23/14


//if you meant it as a flog/blog on me. Couldn't tell.//

no way.

in fact, was using a phrase from you...copying is the sincerest...

john 3:8 was a verse confirming your comment on different references.

//hold no ill towards you or my prophets.//

i hope not. it was through you that the Spirit made me see that the truth was already written. the wind told me to dig deeper, quit spittin' in the Wind, and then brought brevity to me. for that and your funny blogs, i thank you.
---aka on 9/23/14


i am glad that you use a single verse to lead to other scripture.
others have used single or incomplete verses to start whole denominations (of their own flavor) and others have used scripture in subterfuge.
---aka on 9/23/14

I laughed out loud. Rare for me here. Even if you meant it as a flog/blog on me. Couldn't tell. It's still funny.
hold no ill towards you or my prophets. Slap me again....over here on this side.....(we'll let that side rest a second) Ha.
Mat 5:39
Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
---Trav on 9/23/14


( sometimes I just put down one or two verses to get the conversation going ,)
---RichardC on 9/23/14

i am glad that you use a single verse to lead to other scripture. others have used single or incomplete verses to start whole denominations (of their own flavor) and others have used scripture in subterfuge.

//Someone, pre-CNet.... pointed, bible gateway to me. Quick search any word here or can free download Esword.// trav

John 3:8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
---aka on 9/23/14


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John 10,16 - And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring and they shall hear my voice there shall be one fold, one shepherd,
---RichardC on 9/23/14

Note that he was speaking to those claiming to be Judeans...the other sheep are the lost sheep of Matt 10 and 15. The two make one fold...again.
Witnesses: Isa_14:1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: the strangers (1481-guest) shall be joined with them, they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
Heb 8:8 ....a new covenant with the house of Israel "and" with the house of Judah:
Eze_37:17 And join them one to another into one stick, they shall become one in thine hand.
---Trav on 9/23/14


aka - I think this verse ties in into what your saying ------ >

John 10,16 - And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring and they shall hear my voice and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd,


( sometimes I just put down one or two verses to get the conversation going ,)
---RichardC on 9/23/14


Why ask trav or any other person?

What does it say in scripture?
---aka on 9/22/14

Ah-aka....makes a scriptural "witnesses" point.
Sure, it is an edifying bond, being excited about discovered "scriptures" marching in unison. Someone, pre-CNet.... pointed, bible gateway to me. Quick search any word here or can free download Esword.

Jer_3:8 I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Isa_50:1 Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? ....
---Trav on 9/23/14


Romans 11:1...-RichardC

now...the rest of the story...

Rom 11:7-8 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day."...

Rom 11:19 Then you will say, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."
Rom 11:20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.

Neither did the Lord engage in Replacement Theory. He has always had a place for the faithful...first to the sheep, then to the dogs.
---aka on 9/23/14


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Romans 11:1 - I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid, For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin,
---RichardC on 9/22/14


You will need to ask Trav about that.

---learner2on 9/21/14

Why ask trav or any other person?

What does it say in scripture?
---aka on 9/22/14


You will need to ask Trav about that.
---learner2 on 9/21/14


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