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The white throne judgment, then the lake of fire. Do individuals send themselves there?

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\Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, open the door, I will come in to him, will sup with him, and he with me. \\

In the context, these words were part of a message sent to a particular local church, not to individuals.
---Cluny on 10/14/14

Totally unorthodox...(ha). You're sifting the "poster", instead of the scripture it seems: it says "if any man hear my voice".
The message, to them...or him. Singular to the hearing, or overcoming of the individual.
For instance,"To Him": Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also
---Trav on 10/14/14


\\Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, open the door, I will come in to him, will sup with him, and he with me. \\

In the context, these words were part of a message sent to a particular local church, not to individuals.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/14


In a beautiful mosaic, there are many tiles.
How many tiles may be removed before the Mosaic is unrecognizable?

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who feels this way.
---Cluny on 10/1/14

You are correct....you are not the only one that feels this way.
Man is compelled to rearrange the tiles. Usually for personal reasons, but, it can also be the way one was taught in ignorance.
Suitable framing is your word picture you posted.
A critical reason for posting actual scriptures, multiples, instead of a personal interpretation.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
---Trav on 10/14/14


\I did use the word accept instead of believe on. But is that okay?\\

Nope.

Why use words and concepts the Bible doesn't?
---Cluny on 10/10/14

Why indeed?
For personal/doctrinal reasons.

Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, open the door, I will come in to him, will sup with him, and he with me.
Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Amo_9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
---Trav on 10/14/14


Jude 1:5

Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that [fn]the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, [fn]subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.



Jude 1:20-21

But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.

Angels were lost for not following GOD. Why then do you believe men who do not wish to follow GOD are saved without their keeping their eyes on JESUS.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/14/14




//We each make our own decision to accept Salvation or reject it.//

really?

our personal acceptance has no witness.

Mat 22:11 "But when the king came in to look at the guests, he saw there a man who had no wedding garment.
Mat 22:12-13
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
---aka on 10/14/14


If GOD offers you a way out of hell and you refuse to accept it that is your fault.

All are offered away out.

Jhn 3:16,17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/14/14


//We each make our own decision to accept Salvation or reject it.
In that sense, we DO send our own selves to the Lake of Fire.//

Gordon,
No one sends themselves to the lake of fire, everyone is heading that was already. Those without faith in Christ works are heading that way.
And sinful man has to be granted faith to believe and granted repentance from God. Without those two he continues on his path (John 3:19,19). "So it depends not upon men's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy" ( Rom. 9:16).
"For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in Him but also suffer for His sake" (Phil. 1:29).
---Luke on 10/14/14


Individuals do end up being accountable for themselves before GOD.
We each make our own decision to accept Salvation or reject it.
In that sense, we DO send our own selves to the Lake of Fire.
But, GOD has us cast into the Lake of Fire after our appearance before the Great White Throne Judgment.
The Lake of Fire is GOD's own Judgment for those human beings who refuse to repent of sin and who die in their sin, without Yahushua's Blood Atonement.
---Gordon on 10/13/14


\\I did use the word accept instead of believe on. But is that okay?\\

Nope.

Why use words and concepts the Bible doesn't?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/14




Strongaxe, i agree. One has to know what they are accepting when they accept Jesus. Are they accepting their own death with Christ to be raised a New Creature? Are they accepting the fellowship of His sufferings to be conformed to His image? It is interesting, when these facts are left off, and that death blow hits, we have all sorts scratching their heads in wonder...and then run to everyone but God to help them figure out how to squirm out of the testing of their faith, discouraged that the one they just put their faith in has abandoned them as hard times hit, when God Himself created the hard times SO THAT they would learn to totally depend on Him and GROW up into Him. Yep leaving out the truth has caused many to shipwreck.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/14


You said: //We must love GOD with all our heart, mind, and strength. Mark 12:30//

I said, //That is not what the passage is saying, it says, "And you "shall" love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength"//

When you say, "you must love" it means, "to be compelled by physical necessity ". When the passage says "and you shall" it means: "something determined already".
By changing the words you change the meaning of the passages. Strongaxe is correct. People try to change the meaning on passages to make them to make them means something completely different then what the word of God says.
---Luke on 10/7/14


kathr4453:

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the phrase, just that it didn't exactly appear in the Bible. I am frequently leery of people who use formulaic phrases like "Do you accept Jesus as your personal savior?" as if they were some kind of magic formula for salvation (i.e. you have to use those exact words, because none others work), as if they were taken directly from the Word of God (which they aren't). Over the years, I have met quite a few people like that over the years. In church, they learn a formula, and believe that it's absolutely necessary without actually studying it or learning the details.
---StrongAxe on 10/6/14


StrongAxe, would RECEIVE HIM qualify? To as many as Receive Him. If you receive Him, you are accepting Him.

If you knock on my door and I open the door, I can either accept your entry or reject it....or receive you in or not. And many who use the word accept are actually receiving Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/14


Samuelbb7:

KJV lists 13 verses that use both words "Christ" and "saviour" together

Luke 2:11: born
John 4:42: he is
Ephesians 5:23: head of church, saviour of body
Phillipians 3:20: in heaven
1 Timothy 1:1: Paul an apostle of
2 Timothy 1:10: made manifest by
Titus 1:4: grace mercy and peace from
Titus 2:13: looking for appearing
Titus 3:6: he shed on us through
2 Peter 1:1: through righteousness of
2 Peter 1:11: escaped through knowledge of
2 Peter 3:18: grow in knowledge of

Not a single one of these mentions "accept".
---StrongAxe on 10/3/14


Yes Luke I abbreviated the sentences so as to fit them in.

Cluny look up the two words Christ and Saviour in a Bible search engine.

Titus 1:4
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

I did use the word accept instead of believe on. But is that okay?

Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/3/14


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\\accepting Christ as Savior\\

Where does the Bible use the formula "accept Christ as Savior"?

StrongAxe: Is the mosaic just the face of the subject, or is it an integral whole, including the background?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/14


//We must have faith in GOD.
Mark 11:2//

That is not what Mark 11:2 says.

//We must love GOD with all our heart, mind, and strength. Mark 12:30//

That is not what the passage is saying, it says, "And you "shall" love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength"

//We must love our neighbor. Mark 12:31.//

The passage does not say that, it says,
"And the second, like it, is this: "Your "shall" love your neighbor as yourself..."
There is no "must" in those passages.
---Luke on 10/3/14


Knock knock..

Who's there?

Jesus. Please let me in..

Why should I let you in?

So I can tell you what will happen to you if you don't let me in..
---learner2 on 10/2/14


Non-Christians send themselves to the Lake of Fire by refusing to accept the method of staying out of the Lake of fire. (The ONLY way that God has provided to a person to stay out of the Lake of Fire is by accepting Christ as Savior.)
---wivv on 10/2/14


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In essentials, unity, in non-essentials, liberty, in all things, charity.

Augustine of Hippo

Some essentials. We must be Born Again. John 3.

We are saved by JESUS. I Corinthians 15.

We must have faith in GOD.
Mark 11:2

We must love GOD with all our heart, mind, and strength. Mark 12:30

We must love our neighbor. Mark 12:31.

We want to keep GOD's commandments out of love. First John.


Micah 6:8

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good, and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

That is my short list.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/2/14


Cluny:

If you (say) have a mosaic if someone's face, likely at least half of the tiles are the background - which provide flavor, but little essence.

Will the body of Christ disintegrate if we baptize by sprinkling rather than immersion, or if we worship on Saturday rather than Sunday, or in Latin rather than English, or standing rather than sitting, or singing a capella rather than with instruments? None of these things were things that Jesus said anything about, and they are minor details - yet many groups place great weight on them to the point of forming schisms - i.e. choking on gnats.
---StrongAxe on 10/2/14


In a beautiful mosaic, there are many tiles.

Who decides which ones are vitally important, which are less so, and which are dispensable?

How many tiles may be removed before the mosaic is unrecognizable?

Such is the Christian faith to an Orthodox.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who feels this way.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/14


Cluny:

You asked: And who decides which doctrines are vitally important, and others less so?

Good question. However, for a start, things that Jesus spent a lot of time talking about are likely to be more important than things he mentioned rarely or never. Also, things that he specifically said were unimportant are, in fact, unimportant.
---StrongAxe on 10/1/14


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\\Some doctrines are vitally important (e.g. camels). Others are trivial (e.g. gnats).\\

And who decides which doctrines are vitally important, and others less so?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/14


Cluny:

You said: Doctrines and creeds ARE divisive. They divide truth from error. They divide the Gospel of grace from heresy. They divide Christianity from paganism.

Some doctrines are vitally important (e.g. camels). Others are trivial (e.g. gnats). The Pharisees made an error of concentrating so much on the gnats (to the point of choking on them), that they ignored the camels. Many today make the same error - they spend so much time being divisive about trivial things, that it hurts the unity of those who otherwise should be brothers working together, rather than fighting each other over things that are of little importance.
---StrongAxe on 10/1/14


\\ if we use such doctrines to be divisive and to fragment the body of Christ - it becomes a problem.
---StrongAxe on 9/30/14
\\

Doctrines and creeds ARE divisive.

They divide truth from error.

They divide the Gospel of grace from heresy.

They divide Christianity from paganism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/14


//Yes People send themselves to the lake of Fire

Samuel,
People do not send themselves to the lake of fire. They are all already heading that way, to the lake of fire. Which is the reason they need Christ. They need faith in Christ and His works or they will continue on their path to hell.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18).
---Luke on 10/1/14


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My Brother in JESUS Strongaxe.

I could not agree with you more. The pharisees majored in minors and forgot the most important truths.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/30/14


Samuelbb7:

It isn't even about the doctrine itself. When Jesus describes the judgment when he separates just from unjust, the sole criterion used to distinguish them is their acts of compassion. NOT whether they were theologically educated. NOT whether they had correct doctrine. NOT whether they were members of the "right church". We are all imperfect. I am sure Jesus will forgive us for our misconceptions, as long as those don't get in the way of what he actually told us to do. But if we use such doctrines to be divisive and to fragment the body of Christ - it becomes a problem.
---StrongAxe on 9/30/14


Luke I have to agree with you. Only GOD can remove the hate from the heart of Lawrence.

The Bible shows the Trinity is a true doctrine.

GOD bless.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/29/14


Yes People send themselves to the lake of Fire.

People who hate and tear at others because they pick a pet doctrine that is opposed to what the Bible says.

They use it to despise and tear down others ranting to build themselves up and exalt themselves.

They hope to see many people being tortured in fire for all eternity that they may enjoy the screams of those they hate.

They do not teach Grace and love for others just judgment and condemnation.

But the Bible says GOD is love and JESUS died for us. We need to follow JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/29/14


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Yes S A,
The venom of The family body of the trinity harlots, Rev.17 vs 4 5 6. Which Are many. Matt. 7 v 13. Destruction, hell and lake of fire.
---Lawrence on 9/29/14


Strongaxe,
I said the same thing to him. He gives Rev, and the harlot, and says that is the trinity. Two complete different subjects. The Trinity is not found in the harlot, the trinity is explain throughout the Bible.
His hate for others is very strong. Nothing can change him, only God can do that, and give him a heart of love.
---Luke on 9/29/14


Lawrence:

You said: Yes, S A, your self contradictory.

Oh? Please explain just exactly what I said that contradicts something else I said.

However, YOU said the Harlot in the Reveleation verses you keep re-quoting ad nauseam was 'trinity' - NOT the RCC. (I guess you are so full of venom against both that you confuse the two). These are NOT the same, and calling the harlot "trinity" is self-contradictory.

You quote Matthew 7:13 and Revelation 17:4-6, yet none of these verses say anything at all about trinity. A verse that says "don't sin" (say) gives absolutely no help in identifying just what any specific sin IS.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/14


Yes, S A, your self contradictory.
Drunk with the blood of the martyred saints, is what rcc the mother harlot done with roman leaders. As if they're to take over the world with the trinity heresy which are many Matt.7 v 13 and their author, the prince of spiritual Darkness.
---Lawrence on 9/28/14


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Lawrence:

One sign that someone has a very narrow perspective is that he always talks about a small number of things, and frequently repeats cliches - such as you do when constantly attack the trinity, and quote that same verse in Revelation.

You said: So the deceiving trinity Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 to invade the world.

Those verses talk about the harlot who is drunk with the blood of the saints. This means you believe the trinity is that harlot. If the trinity is the harlot, it must have killed saints, so it must be real, and not false. If the trinity is false, it cannot have murdered anyone. So which is it? Either way, your assertion is self-contradictory.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/14


//So the deceiving trinity Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 to invade the world. To try root out The Acts Church of The Living God.//

You are adding to Scripture by making things up Lawrence, adding to Scripture that the Harlot is the Catholic Church. I do not read it is that Catholic Church. Concerning the Trinity it is explained all through the Bible, a person would have to be blind not to know that the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, if he is a genuine Christian. You keep saying the same thing over and over, and have no evidence from the Bible.
---Luke on 9/27/14


Correct Cluny mere repetition proves no one right.

The truth of all doctrine must come from the Word of GOD. The Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/27/14


\\I have no more to say.\\

That's why you keep on saying the same thing over and over again.

You have nothing to say.

Mere repetition will not prove you right.

Glory to Jesus Christ who is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit!
---Cluny on 9/26/14


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For trinity is devils to mans ideas. Peoples are in heresy to believe in 3 persons godhead. Peoples which are many, Matt.7 v 14, destruction hell n the lake of fire.

The Acts Church IS God's own. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be in The Word of God.

So I'l let you's 3 persons godhead peoples brood about.
I have no more to say.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 9/26/14


The blasphemous Harlot church is the oneness/modalist church for which Lawrence pimps.

The Church in the Book of Acts is today known as the Orthodox Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/14


The Blasphemy of the harlot trinity churches.

YES.

For many yrs n continuing, with their fictitious 3 persons godhead.
---Lawrence on 9/26/14


luke
The other blog you asked on what basis?

So the deceiving trinity Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 to invade the world. To try root out The Acts Church of The Living God.
Praise God, it didn't work. We Are still here.

The trinity Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, All part of the gates hell, and shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 9/26/14


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\\The prophesy of the harlot trinity Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 with it's Blasphemy is now n has been for many yrs.\\

No.

It's the Sabellian Modalist/Oneness Church that is the harlot.

I guess you were lying when you said you had nothing more to say, Lawrence.

StrongAxe--I'm using Lawrence's own terminology on him to show him how irrational he's being.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/14


Cluny:

Lawrence wrote: The Mother of Harlots and of the Abominations of the earth.

You wrote: This is the Sabelian Modalist/Oneness church, for which Lawrence pimps.

How can this be the case, as she is described as "drunk with the blood of the saints", and there has never been a point in history in which a large Sabelian church has systematically murdered anyone who disagreed with it (contrast with Christians martyred by Rome, the Inquisition, various Communist purges, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 9/25/14


Just like Jesus foretelling about the destruction of this earth to come is prophesy n it will happen. The prophesy of the harlot trinity Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 with it's Blasphemy is now n has been for many yrs. Under the devils supervision to invade the world. <-- this being part of the gates of hell n shall Not prevail against the Acts Church of The Living God.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 9/25/14


\\The Mother of Harlots and of the Abominations of the earth.
\\

This is the Sabelian Modalist/Oneness church, for which Lawrence pimps.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/25/14


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//The trinity in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, prob don't realize the antichrist will be the devil in the flesh. No doubt they may know that n even try to hide n cover it up. So people won't know. But I know, n others know also.//

Lawrence,
Rev. 17:4,5, Rev. 14:8, Rev. 18:4) is talking about something completely different then the Trinity. It is talking about a Church. The Mother of Harlots and of the Abominations of the earth.
The Trinity is a complete different subject. It does not pertain to a Church but to the essence of God. God is the Father, God is the Son, and God is also the Holy Spirit. The Three Persons make up the godhead. One draws individuals to Christ, Christ dies for their sins, and the Holy Spirit brings them to spiritual life.
---Luke on 9/25/14


\\Is the harlot trinity in Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6.\\

Have you read this passage for yourself, Lawrence?

There is NOTHING about the Trinity in it.

Glory to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit Who are not each other.
---Cluny on 9/24/14


cluny

Yes I do know. The Abominations
Is the harlot trinity in Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6.
If oneness was outlawed, it was done so by the devil n his trinity imps. In the which where your so called orthodoxy by corrupted trinity literature came from to be Manmade. Does Not relate to The Word of God what soever.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
I have no more to say.
---Lawrence on 9/24/14


\\The trinity in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6\\

Where is the Trinity mentioned in this passage?

The Abomination is ONENESS.

\\But I know, n others know also.\\

No, you don't know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/24/14


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The devil will not be in the flesh. The devil would have to become incarnate like Jesus, which was a miracle only brought about by God.

Oh my, is this Rosemary's baby kinda stuff? It ain't gonna happen that way Lawrence. And God never made a revelation about such things to you.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/14


cluny

God was in the flesh of Jesus Christ.

The trinity in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, prob don't realize the antichrist will be the devil in the flesh. No doubt they may know that n even try to hide n cover it up. So people won't know. But I know, n others know also.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 9/23/14


//My problem is with those who say that even when they lie it is not a sin. That nothing they do no matter how wrong is a sin.//


Can you name any here? Is this widespread? Is this a common belief among Christians? So if the answer is NO, then it is not a PROBLEM except one trying to make it a problem. And why is that your problem? One bad apple does not speak for the whole. Stop making excuses by pulling up one bad apple.

NO Christian doctrine teaches such a thing. Only those doctrines who hate GRACE teach this lie, slandering GRACE which is insulting the Spirit of Grace by the way.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/14


kath

Yes I did.
I jus xplianed in other detail.
---Lawrence on 9/23/14


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\\If filthiness of the flesh sinful habits was allowed in heaven, then the devil would be there also.\\

The devil doesn't have flesh.

But that never occurs to oneness sabellian modalist pimps, does it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/23/14


//My problem is with those who say that even when they lie it is not a sin. That nothing they do no matter how wrong is a sin.//

Who are this people you are talking about? Do you lie? do you sin? I know all sin, even believers. They also have pride.
:
"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the Truth is not in us." is the truth in you? If it is, you have not being deceived. The problem you have is that not all do Saturday Sabbath. That is your problem. You want them to do Saturday Sabbath because if they don't they are sinning. Believers who sin do have a love for Christ. They don't want to sin, but they still do. But they are saved already. They will enter heaven. Their sin is already taken care of.
---Luke on 9/23/14


Lawrence, if you understood what I posted, you would know sin will not enter heaven. Why? Because the new creature IN Christ is who enters heaven. You will also see Colossians 2 tells us how sin was dealt with.

No flesh will enter heaven...flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God. The New Crearure who will be fashioned like Christ will not be flesh or in their flesh.

So this is the Gospel. If people are blind to the Gospel it shows they are still in unbelief.
---kathr4453 on 9/22/14


kath

Those that are truly saved have quit their filthiness of the flesh sinful habits.
If filthiness of the flesh sinful habits was allowed in heaven, then the devil would be there also. Seems like with the trinity defiled religion, anything goes n is ok, Not so Thank God.
Sin will not enter therein.
---Lawrence on 9/22/14


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Samuel, we are saved FROM SIN when we put our faith in Jesus Christ. God JUSTIFIED the UNGODLY, not the Godly. and the narrow way is the CROSS were we died to sin. when one finds this narrow path leading to LIFE, one is not IN SIN any longer. Romans 6 kathr4453

I totally agree with what you just wrote.

My problem is with those who say that even when they lie it is not a sin. That nothing they do no matter how wrong is a sin.

So yes when we follow the Cross and die to self we are not in sin because we live in love not sin.

When we live in love we do not want to commit sin.

I hope I am explaining this properly. Sometimes I am not as clear as I want to be.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/22/14


This is true for all who are saved. Including us who believe in the Trinity. For those who truly follow JESUS are few. Many wish to be saved in sin.

But no one is saved in sin.


---Samuelbb7 on 9/22/14

Samuel, we are saved FROM SIN when we put our faith in Jesus Christ. God JUSTIFIED the UNGODLY, not the Godly. and the narrow way is the CROSS were we died to sin. when one finds this narrow path leading to LIFE, one is not IN SIN any longer. Romans 6 explain this...so why is it kept from your eyes?
---kathr4453 on 9/22/14


Samuel

The Acts Church of The Living God Is of God. Which are few peoples. Matt.7 v 14.

Manmade theology, ideology so called theory under the influence of spiritual darkness came the triune godhead religious churches organizations Rev.17 vs 4 5 6. Even those that worship other diff gods etc which Are many peoples. God has Nothing to with. Matt.17 v 13. Lake of fire bound by their own choice.
---Lawrence on 9/22/14


Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

This is true for all who are saved. Including us who believe in the Trinity. For those who truly follow JESUS are few. Many wish to be saved in sin.

But no one is saved in sin.

But believing in the Trinity is not a sin. Breaking the Ten Commandments and not be loving is sin.

Read First John.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/22/14


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Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

also Paul said He laid the foundation that we build upon, but to be careful how you build, some wood hay and stubble, and some gold, silver and precious stone....and never says a person is saved by their works, but REWARDED by their works that God before ordained we walk in.
---kathr4453 on 9/22/14


learner

The Acts Church, peoples Are saved from their sins. Which Are few. Matt.7 v 14.

The triune godhead peoples Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, Are savedkept in their sins. Which Are many. Matt.7 v 13.
---Lawrence on 9/22/14


Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


---jerry6593 on 9/22/14


According to Lawrence, no one can have any assurance of salvation. One can never know whether the quality or quantity of their works is ever good enough. Maybe Lawrence is right, I don't know. But God knows, if there is a God.
---learner2 on 9/21/14


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Psa.9 v 17, / Luke 13 vs 27, 28, / Rom.1 v 32, / 2Thes.1 v 8, / Rev.20 v 15.

James 2 v 19, he believes in 1 God, & he has many people believing in 2 n 3 triune persons or gods Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6. It's their choice, Peoples which Are many. Then there are those that worship other diff gods etc. Which makes even More many, Matt.7 v 13, destruction, hell n lake of fire. People that are atheist, agnostics, sexual perversions other etc will be there also. Yes, even some of God's own will be there also, due to disobedience. Again, it's their choice.
---Lawrence on 9/21/14


God hardens people's hearts to make sure they end up in the lake of fire. That is interesting. Can you love a God who does something like that purposely?
---learner2 on 9/21/14


Those who harden their hearts to not hear the Gospel.

Those who let the ways of the world lead them to live in sin.

Those who let the cares of the world destroy their belief in GOD.

They as in the parable of the sower choose to be lost because they do not truly believe.

Those who say they believe but who do not truly love others and care for them will also be lost since they are only for selfish glory. Matthew 25.

So yes individuals send themselves there.

Agape
---Samueslbb7 on 9/21/14


Cluny

People putting them selves in hell and the lake of fire.
---Diane on 9/21/14


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An individual is cast into the lake of fire due to their hardened, evil heart of unbelief, and their works of denying and departing from the living God. Basically "the god of this age has blinded, those who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them." For "he hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart, that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and Jesus should heal them."
Why does Father allow this? There are two seeds in this earth "the good seed are the children of the kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one, and [their] will is to do [their] father's desires".
---Josef on 9/20/14


Can you be clearer, Diane?

It sounds like you're asking if people send themselves to the GWT judgement.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/20/14


It sure seems to be a diversity of replies on these blogs.
---Diane on 9/20/14


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