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Who Is The Rock

Who is the Rock in the Bible? Jesus or Peter and why?

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 ---Judy on 9/21/14
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There is Only one Rock.
1 Cor 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
---michael_e on 3/23/15


Both.

"Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/15


Our relationship with God is built on our faith in Jesus Christ, on Christ being the Son of God.

Now since it is built on faith, Faith is the foundation of our relationship with God.

Peter showed he had this foundation of faith in Jesus Christ, and it was this foundation Jesus called the Rock, the Rock in which he would build his church.
---David on 10/8/14


Ruben,
What you say is true, Peter is a rock BUT...
It doesn't change the rest of the truth. JESUS is THE ROCK that the church is built upon and nothing you say can ever change that. I suggest you read the Bible from front to back (instead of cherry picking verses and relying on what someone tells you) and ask God to show you. In you current state, you are believing a lie that has been planted by the RCC from the beginning. In fact this lie is one the reason the original church split in the first place.
---g on 10/7/14


Those who say the CHURCH was built on Peter, please tell us WHAT CHURCH? The earthly RCC one or the Heavenly one? Only the Heavenly one is built up a SPIRITUAL Habitation, where both Paul and Peter talk about the Chief corner stone, that is Jesus. And was built upon ALL the apostles and Prophets.

Colossians 1:24-27 say the CHURCH was a mystery Kept secret but now revealed, being CHRIST IN YOU the Hope of Glory.

So was Peter the MYSTERY kept secret?
---kathr4453 on 10/6/14




//Why would Jesus built his 'Church' on a little rock?

" And on this Rock I will built my church"

the Rock, Cephas (i.e. Kepha), a surname of Peter:--Cephas.//
---Ruben on 10/5/14

exactly. in that sentence, jesus was saying you are a little rock of the big rock (jesus) that i will build my church on.
---aka on 10/5/14

Aka,

However Jesus did not say little rock but Cephas (Rock)

" You are Simon of John. You will be call Cephas " (Jhn 1:42) Nothing about being called little cephas:)
---Ruben on 10/6/14


Amen JESUS is the Rock of Ages.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/6/14


Peter isn't THE TRUTH. Jesus is! A portion of Truth was given to Peter. He's a piece of THE ROCK.
The foundation the Church was built on is TRUTH of JESUS' Identity. "Whom do men say that I am?"
Get the answer to that question correct then you have and ARE the proper foundation. Get it incorrect and you don't and ARE NOT. The church was built on very accurate testimonies by the prophets and apostles. Peter wasn't the only one.
Without "The Word of TRUTH"(aka Jesus), ALL the prophets and apostles have no TRUTH to speak. So their being the foundation is totally reliant on the SURE FOUNDATION... JESUS!
Peter, John, Paul and etc. epistles are foundational. Isaiah, Amos, David's and etc. are foundational.
---Legends on 10/6/14


The Rock is Christ. He is the cornerstone. If the church isn't built on God, then it isnt a church. Christ is our rock.
---shira4368 on 10/5/14


//Why would Jesus built his 'Church' on a little rock?

" And on this Rock I will built my church"

the Rock, Cephas (i.e. Kepha), a surname of Peter:--Cephas.//
---Ruben on 10/5/14

exactly. in that sentence, jesus was saying you are a little rock of the big rock (jesus) that i will build my church on.
---aka on 10/5/14




Prophets of OLD and the Apostles of the New Testament. Peter spoke the proper ID so Jesus called him a "little rock".
---Legends on 10/3/14

Why would Jesus built his 'Church' on a little rock?

" And on this Rock I will built my church"

the Rock, Cephas (i.e. Kepha), a surname of Peter:--Cephas.
---Ruben on 10/5/14


Lawrence on 9/24: // Peter Did deliver the salvation message Acts 2 v 38 to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost.//

Are you absolutely sure only Jews were there, no Romans, Greeks, Africans?
---Adetunji on 10/4/14


"Whom Do MEN Say that I(Jesus) am?"
A rock is used as a foundation for building.
When any man properly identifies Jesus as Messiah and Son Of God, that man's foundation is solid because it's BASED or FOUNDED on Truth. The LORD actually built His church on the proper identification of Jesus which was spoken by the Prophets of OLD and the Apostles of the New Testament. Peter spoke the proper ID so Jesus called him a "little rock".
Improper identification of Jesus by the same person a few verses later caused Jesus to identify Peter as an Adversary. If you aren't in harmony with the foundation, you are working adversely against Christ. Peter Did!
---Legends on 10/3/14


Amen if we do not build our lives on Christ JESUS we are building on shifting sand.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/1/14


One thing I am thinking of is that Peter says we are "living stones" and Jesus is the chief cornerstone.

"Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 2:4-5)

And in the next verse Jesus is said to be "A chief cornerstone".

I would say this has to do with love > Jesus' love in us so we have "faith working through love." (Galatians 5:6) This love makes us precious like Jesus (Galatians 4:19, 1 Peter 3:4, 1 John 4:17).
---com7fy8 on 10/1/14


Deu_32:18 You were unmindful of the rock that bore you, and you forgot the God (el) who gave you birth.

1Sa 2:2 "There is none holy like the LORD (yehovah): for there is none besides you, there is no rock like our God(el).
1Sa 2:3 Talk no more so very proudly, let not arrogance come from your mouth, for the LORD (yehovah) is a God (el) of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.
---aka on 9/30/14


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1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea,
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat,
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

---jerry6593 on 9/30/14


JESUS is the rock and upon HIM is the church built. Peter is described as 'a little stone'. ...
---Rita_H on 9/26/14

Some original rock for the building.

Isa 51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
Isa 51:2 Look unto Abraham your father, unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law, fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.
Deu_32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
---Trav on 9/29/14


The Differences in the trinity are the ones they gave themselves in titles and positions.
Since all have existed from eternity.

The Trinity is the true doctrine.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/29/14


g

Yes, our spirits are one with Christ - but they are not one and the same as Christ. We are not Christ. Christ is in the Father, and the Father is in him, but Christ is not the Father. This is a subtlety that oneness people seem incapable of distinguishing. (I am not disagreeing with you - I think you and I are trying to say the same thing, in slightly different ways).
---StrongAxe on 9/28/14


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Strongaxe,

The Bible says that in the Spirit, there is no bond or free, no male or female. Our spirit is one and one with Christ. That is what this means. That is why it is so important to love your neighbor as yourself, husbands and wives love each other as they love themselves. This is because we are the same spirit when IN the Spirit. We each might have different jobs in the Spirit but we are one and the same in the Spirit. One Spirit, one baptism one body. The same. Sorry if you can't seem to grasp this concept.
---g on 9/28/14


g:

The bible says "we are one", not "we are one and the same". This is a distinction that oneness people seem unable to grasp. A husband and wife are "one", but anyone who can't tell one from the other would usually require new glasses.
---StrongAxe on 9/27/14


Strongaxe,

In the flesh we are not the same but in the SPIRIT we are one and the same.

One baptism, one spirit, one body. So even though we are all miles apart, when we pray and agree and stand on THE rock, Christ, anything is possible.
So in Christ, we are the same. The bible is very clear on this.
---g on 9/27/14


JESUS is the rock and upon HIM is the church built. Peter is described as 'a little stone'. He is a part of the church of which Jesus is the foundation.
---Rita_H on 9/26/14


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g:


John 17:21: "That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."

So Jesus prayed that we would all be one IN THE SAME WAY that he and the Father are. Are you and I identical? Are ANY two believers one and the same? No. But they would HAVE to be if Jesus and the Father were one and the same entity.
---StrongAxe on 9/25/14


Glory to Jesus Christ, Who is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit!

---Cluny on 9/24/14

Actually, they are three in one. So yes Jesus is God, he is the Holy Spirit.

John 10:(KJV)

30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.

Then there is the entire 1st chapter in St. John, etc.

Not disputing the trinity, because I believe in it. But they are all 3 an intricate part of each other.

As for whoever said that mess to you, they need to go back and RE-study the entire Bible. It plainly supports God being 3 in 1. Thus the trinity.
---g on 9/25/14


Ephesians 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets example Isaiah 28:16,(((NOT PETER alone.)))Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone, - kathr

truth.
---aka on 9/25/14


Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Ephesians 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets example Isaiah 28:16,(((NOT PETER alone.)))Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone,

1 Peter 2:4-6

If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
read verse 4 please
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
SPIRITUAL HOUSE, not Earthly house. This is the heavenly CHURCH.

Also Verse 6 please read, .
---kathr4453 on 9/25/14


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The ROCK going all the way back to the OT, is Jesus Christ. Peter didn't follow them in the wilderness where Living water came out of the Rock.

And we also have OT verses, ...the ROCK of my salvation.

Deut 32:4

HE IS THE ROCK, HIS WORK IS PERFECT, FOR ALL HIS WAYS ARE JUSTICE, A GOD OF TRUTH, AND WITHOUT INIQUITY, JUST AND RIGHT IS HE.

So when Jesus speaking to Peter re ROCK, Peter never once believed Peter was the rock, nor does Peter ever say in his epistles he is the rock, but quite the contrary , if one chooses to read.

Jesus is the chief cornerstone...ROCK, and we are all little rocks built upon the Chief cornerstone.
---kathr4453 on 9/25/14


\\Nope, Peter wasn't the first harlot trinity pope\\

Who was, then?

\\I have no more to say.\\

Does this mean you're not going to support what you claim here?

**st. orthodox**

I have no idea what you mean by "st. orthodox". Do you? If so, can you explain it, please?

Or are you so unlearned you think that the Orthodox Church got her name from someone called "st. orthodox."

Glory to Jesus Christ, Who is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit!
---Cluny on 9/24/14


Lawrence, how much "corrupt trinity literature" have you actually read?

Can you give the names of these works or the authors?

Please oblige me.

Glory to Jesus Christ, Who is NOT the Father or the Holy Spirit.
---Cluny on 9/24/14


samuel

Nope, Peter wasn't the first harlot trinity pope.
So you dig into some of corrupt trinity literature to find out who. Was Not Apostle Peter.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
I have no more to say.
---Lawrence on 9/24/14


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Not the church of Peter, or the pope, or st paul, st orthodox, other etc.

The Acts Church of The Living God.
Peter Did deliver the salvation message Acts 2 v 38 to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost. Still for us today until the door closes to us gentiles.
Still deny All you want. Go ahead n dig up More trinity Lies from early Lying trinity literature.
---Lawrence on 9/24/14


//Peter was insecure, movable, shifting, unsteadfast before Pentecost...When the day of Pentecost was fully come,//- Lawrence

[The Spirit] delivered Acts 2 v 38 to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost, [The Spirit] was secure n steadfast, unmovable etc.

//he did not wain, even all the way to his death.//

then, why did Paul and Peter let spit fly (and almost fists) in each others face at Antioch? Was Peter sort of turning his back again on Jesus' people?

Peter's evidence, later in his life, of finally maturing in the Lord was recorded in his two epistles.
1Pe 2:1 -5
---aka on 9/24/14


So Lawerence you sound like you agree with the RCC and that Peter was the first Pope and you should then follow their lead.

But Peter did have to be rebuked by Paul for going wrong.

Gal 2:11-12
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

The Church of Christ is found in the New Testament.
Not church of Peter.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/24/14


Peter was insecure, movable, shifting, unsteadfast before Pentecost.

When the day of Pentecost was fully come,
He delivered Acts 2 v 38 to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost, he was secure n steadfast, unmovable etc. He did not wain, even all the way to his death.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 9/24/14


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(John 14:6)
Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

The Church was founded on faith in Jesus Christ, it was not founded on Peter.
If I am wrong, show me I am wrong.
---David on 9/24/14


//Yes, upon this ( rock Peter ) I will build my church which was Fulfilled on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2 v 38.//

Lawrence,
The rock is Christ, Peter is a stone, or make that a pebble. The Church is of Christ, created by Christ, and He is the Head of the Church. The Church Christ build is Spiritual. They are all baptized into One body in Christ. All believers in Christ are members of that Church in the Spirit. They consist of many members of that body. When one hurts the whole body hurts.
---Luke on 9/24/14


this was also fulfilled through peter.

thou art petros (a piece of rock, a single stone...which is movable, insecure, or shifting), and upon...

Mat_26:75

On the Day of Pentecost, The Father dispatched the Spirit to a broken vessel

and

not because of the greatness of any man.
---aka on 9/23/14


Yes, upon this ( rock Peter ) I will build my church which was Fulfilled on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2 v 38.
And the gates of hell, ( which is actual, the devil & peoples )
the 3 persons & or gods godhead peoples in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, & peoples that worship other diff gods etc, the atheist, agnostics, sexual perverts, other etc, shall not prevail against it. They are trying to but shall Not prevail.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 9/23/14


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good cliff,

let the scriptures speak.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That...

thou art petros (a piece of rock, a single stone...which is movable, insecure, or shifting), and upon...

this rock (huge mass, solid formation, fixed, immovable. enduring)

I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
---aka on 9/23/14


Judy
Jesus is the rock, because Faith in Jesus Christ is the solid foundation of which we must build, to have a relationship with God.(Matthew 7:24-27)

Peter revealed in (Matthew 16:17) he had a relationship with God, because it was God the Father, who had revealed to him, Jesus was the Son of God.
Since God was the one who had given him this information, we know he had to have a relationship, with God the Father.

"You are Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my church."
Meaning the Church would be built upon the same faith, on which Peter had built his relationship with God.

And then Jesus gave Peter, the keys to the kingdom in (Matthew 16:19). And it truly is the key.
---David on 9/23/14


It works both ways.

There need be no conflict.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/22/14


JESUS is the Rock of Ages.

The stone which is the foundations of the church rejected by the Leaders in Jerusalem.

Matthew 21:42
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
---Samuelbb7 on 9/22/14


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Jesus Christ Being the Chief Cornerstone ( Rock ).
Matt.16 v 18, Peter the rock of The Acts Church, Fulfilled on the day of Pentecost.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 9/22/14


Judy I think 1 Corinthians 10:4 shows the rock is Jesus God the Son "and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ."

See also Deuteronomy 32:4 "The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he." God here is Elohiym, the Creator God. And verse 15"...then he forsook God who made him and scoffed at the Rock of his salvation."

Jesus is the Rock, our Creator and Saviour. No man can claim to be the Rock, for obvious Scriptural reasons.
---Warwick on 9/22/14


"The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer,
My God, my strength, in whom I will trust," Psa 18:2
"He only is my rock and my salvation, he is my defence, I shall not be greatly moved." Psa 62:2
"For who is God, except the LORD?
And who is a rock, except our God? Psa 18:31
"A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word,..." 1Pe 2:8
For "As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: Rom 9:33
"Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone, Eph 2:20
"Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: 1Pe 2:6
---josef on 9/22/14


Two are spoken of in that one passage....one a "rock" and the other a "rock mass".
The difference between petra and petros !
---1stcliff on 9/22/14


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