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Baptist Denonminations

In the U.K. we have several different denominations under the heading 'Christian churches', the differences being slight but important to individuals.

Can anyone explain to me the differences between our Baptist church and your Southern Baptist church in US please?

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But again, Trav, all I wrote above may be my mistakes!
Blessings
---Peter on 1/8/15

Ha you're honest and humble. Rare qualities anywhere. Thanks for the answer. I'd be sharing mistakes with you of my own as well in this regard.
I find no denomination has it all figured out. Some more, most less. Or any man I've ever read or met. I find that scripture supplies it own answers through all the witnesses. And sometimes the witness can be that which is not written at all.
The witness might be pointed to that you or any may have found. I'll always search anything pointed at through these.
They must agree...to be truth.
Mar_14:56 For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together.
---Trav on 1/12/15


Trav on 1/7/15: I am never completely sure which DO fall in the very few that affect salvation. If you want my PERSONAL view, which may be wrong, I could wonder if the following were in the 'important' group

Cases where one person views that only his 'purity' is going to get him into heaven

Cases where a person considers that a particular 'sin' will send another person to hell - I cannot say we are able to know what sinful actions or thoughts are most important to go, and usually these views are based on 'at least I'm not as bad a X', phrased in a different way

But again, Trav, all I wrote above may be my mistakes!

Blessings
---Peter on 1/8/15


... and the VERY FEW differences that DO affect salvation.
It is only those few second differences that make any difference
---Peter on 1/6/15

Present in your opinion the
"Very Few" differences. And what makes yours the only way and superior.
---Trav on 1/7/15


In light of the Bible verse 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in Heaven,the Father,the Word(Jesus),and the Holy Ghost,and these three are one.,how can there be any question about Trinity. There are three in purpose,each having a different reason for coming to mankind but they are only one,all God. It is so simple that people complicate it more than it is. What it all comes down to is how much faith do we put in the supernatural powers of God,after all God can do anything.
---Darlene_1 on 1/7/15


The small differences occurred a long time ago, but became more important in the development of the protestant church.

Personally, while I may have differences with some views of a church, I consider we must differentiate between differences that do NOT affect salvation (most differences, where we just bear them) and the VERY FEW differences that DO affect salvation.

It is only those few second differences that make any difference

When the believers in the fourth century set out the Nicene Creed, they just put 'ONE catholic and apostolic church' - meaning all believers were in it

Let us do the same
---Peter on 1/6/15




Adetunji
The 3 persons triune godhead has Everything to do with Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 which Are many Matt.7 v 13, which Is Bible prophesy. It's Bible prophesy just like the prophesy of gog and magog, Russia with all the other aspects that pertains to it.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 12/26/14


Cluny,

1. I did not intend to implicate you. You do what your instructed. Standing for what is true has both offensive and defensive fronts. To everything. ..turn.

2. There was another who brought up that a group of believers who were mockingly labeled anabaptists and wrongly associated with some misguided and sometimes dangerous groups that did not actually believe what they did. And he provided authors who had noted this. It's nothing new.
---aka on 10/17/14


\\What does our conversation of anabaptists have anything to do with your and Lawrence's continual feud that has no borders or end?
---aka on 10/15/14\\

1. It is Lawrence who turns every blog into pimping for oneness/modalism, not I.

2. Someone else here linked the Anabaptists (which is not the subject of this blog) with Donatists and Cathari.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/17/14


Cluny? Are you ok?

What does our conversation of anabaptists have anything to do with your and Lawrence's continual feud that has no borders or end?
---aka on 10/15/14


\\Cluny...Neither of the two authors made those points. You are not getting what they are saying or you are not willing to accept what they are actually saying.
---aka on 10/15/14\\

What meaning to you think "Trinity in Rev 17:4-6" has?

What is Lawrence actually saying, if you know?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/15/14




Cluny...Neither of the two authors made those points. You are not getting what they are saying or you are not willing to accept what they are actually saying.
---aka on 10/15/14


Lawrence : REV.17: 4, 5, 6, 7 has nothing to do with the Holy Trinity. He is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28: 19. Get it?
---Adetunji on 10/15/14


\\Trinity in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 Is Bible prophesy & I believe it. You's can (deny,deny,deny, there's your 3) all you's want.\\

Where does this passage say "trinity"?

Please be specific.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/15/14


Well cluny

Why do you keep repeating the lies from the Deep deceiving trinity 3 persons godhead pit? Still trying to prove that which is Not.

Trinity in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 Is Bible prophesy & I believe it. You's can (deny,deny,deny, there's your 3) all you's want.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 10/15/14


\\Broadbent's views on the Cathari (Albigensians), Donatists, and others.
---Cluny on 10/14/14

what are his views of those groups?
---aka on 10/14/14\\

I've already expressed it earlier on these blogs.

The historical truth is that the Cathari rejected marriage, claiming that matter was evil, and thus expected married couples to abstain from relations.

This goes counter to the Bible.

As a corollary, they rejected the Incarnation.

The Donatists believed nothing different from the Catholic church, except that sinners could not be reconciled.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/14


\\They Are in the trinity family of Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, just like the nazarine, methodist, 7th day advent, christian science, the others etc.
---Lawrence on 10/14/14\\

Why do you keep repeating this lie, Lawrence?

I've posted these verses on these blogs, and "trinity" is NOWHERE MENTIONED in them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/14


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Broadbent's views on the Cathari (Albigensians), Donatists, and others.
---Cluny on 10/14/14

what are his views of those groups?
---aka on 10/14/14


\\What view is that?
---aka on 10/14/14\\

Broadbent's views on the Cathari (Albigensians), Donatists, and others.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/14


They Are in the trinity family of Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, just like the nazarine, methodist, 7th day advent, christian science, the others etc.
---Lawrence on 10/14/14


And his view is incorrect.

Glory to --Cluny on 10/14/14

What view is that?
---aka on 10/14/14


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\\..who lends support to what the article that i paraphrased earlier in this blog question.
---aka on 10/14/\\

And his view is incorrect.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/14


And who is E. H. Broadbent?
---Cluny on 10/11/14

historically, an author and Christian missionary...

...who lends support to what the article that i paraphrased earlier in this blog question.
---aka on 10/14/14


\\Cluny, Celibacy is a rule enforced by the RCC. God in the Old Testament said to Adam and Eve "Go forth and multiply". In the NT it says to get married. Nowhere in the Bible will you find God commanding people to be celibate.
\\

Helen, I know several married Roman Catholic priests in my city. I even attended the ordination of one.

Furthermore, in the Gospels Jesus said His counsel to abstain from marriage was for those who could receive it.

Furthermore, St. Paul said that he would wish that all were as he, that is, unmarried.

Please check your facts in the future.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/14


//Luke
Do you believe that no one goes to hell?//

We have talked about hell already many times, why do you asked this question again? Is it to make a point? Make your point instead of asking the question again.

//The Roman Catholic church is not that found of marriage. They also lied about many who opposed them.//

I don't know what you are talking about, you did not make it clear. The Catholic Church was married. Under the leadership of Emperor Constantine a proposal of marriage came about. The Roman Empire through it's Empire brought many Bishops of the Christian churches together and in A.D. 313 the marriage was consummated.
---Luke on 10/14/14


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Cluny, Celibacy is a rule enforced by the RCC. God in the Old Testament said to Adam and Eve "Go forth and multiply". In the NT it says to get married. Nowhere in the Bible will you find God commanding people to be celibate.
---helen4633 on 10/13/14


\\The Roman Catholic church is not that found of marriage. They also lied about many who opposed them.
---Sameulbb7 on 10/12/14\\

I don't know why you say that, Samuel.

Marriage is a Sacrament in the RCC, but celibacy is not.

The SDA has lied many times about what the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

And I've noticed that other people here will lie and misrepresent people who oppose them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/13/14


Adetunji- (2)

"Neither the objective sociological researcher nor the court of law can readily regard the apostate as a creditable or reliable source of evidence. He must always be seen as one whose personal history predisposes him to bias with respect to both his previous religious commitment and affiliations,...

...the suspicion must arise that he acts from a personal motivation to vindicate himself and to regain his self-esteem, by showing himself to have been first a victim but subsequently to have become a redeemed crusader. ...he is likely to be suggestible and ready to enlarge or embellish his grievances..."

Bryan R. Wilson, Ph.D., Apostates and New Religious Movements
---scott on 10/13/14


Adetunji- (1)

Perhaps you would also like to read:

The Profaned Pulpit, the Jack Schaap Story, I Fired God: My Life Inside- and Escape from - the Secret World of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Cult, etc., etc.

I have never spoken of the shocking abuses that I personally experienced within the Baptist church because derisive rantings of anyone against former associations or affiliations is always suspect. As the great sage Dr. Phil says, "No matter how flat you make a pancake, it still has two sides."

You will find here that when someone is unable to defend a theological notion or premise using God's word as the true measure, then criticism and attacks are next.
---scott on 10/13/14


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James, thanks for the information. You are right, we really don't know what they believe. Some believe different than others. I know some and they tell me if you sin, you must be saved again. Of course that is false. Christ died once for me and I am saved for eternity. I do believe in church dicipline but that does not mean you get up in church and confess every little thing you do. As long as we live in the flesh, we will sin. I have decided to stay a fundamentalist (baptist).
---shira4368 on 10/13/14


Adetunji, I am glad you found it helpful. I have read quite a few similar stories of horror, and spoken with other victims.

I agree that we must pray so that the WTS slaves may be set free.
---Warwick on 10/12/14


That is not true, all will be born in sin, all will be given faith to believe in Christ, all will be justified. Not one will be lost. Salvation is open for everyone, but those that come forward in faith, are those who are of the elect.

---Luke

Do you believe that no one goes to hell?

The Roman Catholic church is not that found of marriage. They also lied about many who opposed them.
---Sameulbb7 on 10/12/14


Warwick: i am sorry if this offends anyone (this is no diversion attempt), i would like to thank you for the following comment on another blog with no more space for comments,

// I suggest those interested read "JEHOVAH's WITNESSES Victims of Deception by Ralph T. Miller.//

Thanks, it is available free online or for download. I have read it today.
We have to keep praying for those who are in JW & WTS bondage that they may know God / Jesus in truth.
---Adetunji on 10/11/14


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And who is E. H. Broadbent?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/11/14


from THE PILGRIM CHURCH by E. H. BROADBENT
"This gave rise to a new name, a name which they themselves repudiated, for it was attached to them as an offensive epithet in order to convey the impression that they had founded a new sect, the new name was Anabaptist (baptized again). As time went on this name [ANABAPTIST] was applied also to certain violent people of Communistic practices and principles subversive of order and morality. With these the brethren had no sort of connection, but by branding them with the same name[ANABAPTIST], those who persecuted the brethren obtained an appearance of justification, as though they were suppressing dangerous disorder."[emph added]

like you, cluny, appearance of justification..
---aka on 10/10/14


You have made it clear you do not know the facts, aka.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/14


//You really hate to be disagreed with, don't you, aka?//

again, look in the mirror.

as erroneous as the article may be to you, does it deserve the extent that you went through to defame me? simply state the facts as you know them.

it's not me with which you are disagreeing. and i have no problem with being proven wrong. at times, we all are. in the past, others have corrected me and i admitted it.

in this case, you included defamation that did not need to be especially since it was false witness. i do know something about it.

have you ever read your replies to people who disagree with you?

if the author of that article was incorrect, i apologize for repeating it. do you forgive me?
---aka on 10/10/14


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You really hate to be disagreed with, don't you, aka?

The Cathari, aka Albigensians, rejected marriage. Is this Christian, since it goes directly against the NT?

And did you ever go to see what the Donatists actually believed? Or did you assume that since they weren't under the Pope, they were automatically anabaptists?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/14


cluny, your statement of me knowing nothing about this is extreme as i do know a few things about this and makes your statement false witness. thanks for blessing me with more crowns.

but, no, since i took this from an article written by an "ana-baptist". i never claimed i was the authority. i just repeated what i read.

but, you have placed yourself high above us here. it shows in your posts. not only do you state facts as you know them but you have to insult too. sour grapes i guess. and it's sad that all you have to do is lie in wait for your chance to put down others for small infractions.

we all look through a foggy mirror. i hope one day that you see that you were indeed speaking to yourself.
---aka on 10/9/14


\\James, primitive baptist you must repent openly in church. I mis stated being saved over and over.\\

Oddly enough, that's right.

Repentance is a life-style. It's a constant course correction and METANOIA (change of NOUS).

I believe in musical instruments. I've seen them with my own eyes and play several.

Trust me, they DO exist.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/9/14


James, primitive baptist you must repent openly in church. I mis stated being saved over and over. What I meant to say they must repent over and over. They have nothing to do with calvanist. Some individuals may be calvanist. They are strict in their dress and how they live. Some don't believe in musical instruments but some do.
---shira4368 on 10/9/14


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//They believe that salvation happened in eternity, before the foundation of the world. Think..Election
They believe the elect will go to heaven, whether they ever know about Christ or not//

James L,
Calvinist believe Election happen in eternity past, not salvation. The elect have to be born in order for them to be saved, since they were born in sin. No Calvinist believes that salvation happen in eternity past. Second, you said the elect will go to heaven, whether they ever know about Christ or not. That is not true, all will be born in sin, all will be given faith to believe in Christ, all will be justified. Not one will be lost. Salvation is open for everyone, but those that come forward in faith, are those who are of the elect.
---Luke on 10/8/14


\\ana-baptist is a derogatory term meaning to baptize again, which the Catholics ridiculed. other derogatory names were: Enthusiasts, Cathars, Heretics,Revolutionaries, and Donatists.\\

The Cathars did not baptize at all, and held beliefs that would be rejected by most Protestants today.

Donatists believed that the bad spiritual and moral condition would have a negative effect on the sacraments, such as baptism, he administered. They even elected their own anti-pope, Donatus (hence their name).

Otherwise, their beliefs were the same as Catholics.

Doesn't it bother you to pop off about things you know nothing about?

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/8/14


//The Ana-Baptist church never married into the Catholic Church. In fact... // Luke

nor were they a branch of protestantism. protestants also persecuted them.

all joking aside...

ana-baptist is a derogatory term meaning to baptize again, which the Catholics ridiculed. other derogatory names were: Enthusiasts, Cathars, Heretics,Revolutionaries, and Donatists.

they call themselves brethren and believers and Christians.

Today "anabaptists" are not what we know of baptists. They are known as Mennonites, Hutterites, Brethren, and Amish.

during the colonial period. anabaptist writings weren't distributed much, because of persecution in most countries.
---aka on 10/8/14


primitive baptist church. They believe you have to get saved over and over and over.
---shira4358 on 10/7/14

Not even.

I have regular discussions with 3 Primitive Baptists.

One of them doesn't mind being called a Hyper-Calvinist.

They believe that salvation happened in eternity, before the foundation of the world. Think.....Election

Then they believe that pertaining to the elect, salvation MIGHT happen in time.

Basically, they believe "salvation" has a much broader meaning then simply saved from hell and going to heaven


They believe the elect will go to heaven, whether they ever know about Christ or not


It's confusing if you don't really know what they believe
---James_L on 10/8/14


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Samuel, if you have 11 baptist with 10 different, the church is not in one accord. A church or house divided against itself cannot stand. Do you wonder why there are so many churches that is closed down? We use to be southern baptist u til they changed. Samuel can you tell me different kind of baptist? Off the top of my heard I can think if many. One is the primitive baptist church. They believe you have to get saved over and over and over. Wonder how many times Christ must die for them. I'm not saying they are bad people, I think most are wonderful people and I feel like they are Christians misled.
---shira4358 on 10/7/14


Thanks Cluny.
---Rita_H on 10/7/14


To answer your original question, Rita, my understanding is that the biggest Baptist group in Great Britain will ordain women, but the Southern Baptist Convention in the USA will not.

Please understand that I am not trashing the KJV. It's the version I was brought up upon, and most of my memorized verses are from it.

However, it remains a work of human skill. The translators themselves did not believe they were inspired.

One thing the Bible in ANY translation makes clear: Mere mortals have never done anything for God and gotten it 100%a right.

Why should the KJV be an exception?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/14


James, the question that was ask was a broad question. There are many different kinds of baptist. No one ask about a particular kind of baptist. We are not calvanist for sure.
---shira4368 on 10/7/14


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Yes Luke I have read that history. I believe the book that brought that out was called trail of blood or something like that.

There is some historical problems with the book. But it is not worth arguing about.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/7/14


//Baptists came from the Ana-Baptists of the Protestant reformation because they came to believe that a person must be a believer to be baptized.//

Samuel,
the Ana-Baptist existed from the very beginning of the church. The Ana-Baptist church never married into the Catholic Church. In fact they were persecuted by the Catholic Church all through history. Those that came out of the Catholic Church were Protestants. Every denomination taught the same thing for many years. Later many broke off and started their own denomination because they differed in many doctrines, and others went back to their roots with almost the same teachings as the Catholic Church. Salvation by works.
---Luke on 10/7/14


I belonged to a Southern Baptist Church in Texas and many of the people had KJV Bibles including me. No matter how many new translations come out I will always love the KJV best. It is the one I did my study from when I was young and the one Mama read to me from when I was a child. I have prayed for knowledge,understanding,wisdom,and God's truth. The Southern Baptist Church doesn't say you have to have any one translation of the Bible but allows people to read anything they please. In the deep South it may be different from Texas but I don't know anything about them. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/6/14


When I was a Southern Baptist (before I got saved and became Orthodox) not even the RSV was trusted.

\\The independent baptist is one of the few old time churches.\\

What do you mean by "old time churches"? 19th century evangelical piety?

\\ We believe in the kjv as the inspired Word of God, \\

What did Christians do before 1611?

And did you know that the KJV was translated by people who believed in episcopacy and infant Baptism?

Why is it more inspired than any English translation before or since?

And which recension of the KJV is the inspired one?

(I'm saying nothing against the KJV itself, just unrealistic ideas about it.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/14


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Baptists came from the Ana-Baptists of the Protestant reformation because they came to believe that a person must be a believer to be baptized.

Baptist are congregational which means each Congregation has their on understanding of what the Bible says.

On certain points they form a confederacy or loose cooperation of Churches.

The Southern Baptist are considered a very conservative Church as a whole but since they are congregational they have no unified doctrine.

Old joke. You get ten Baptists in a church and you have eleven opinions.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/6/14


Hi Rita (c: I think the Baptist group got started when people decided it is not enough to baptize someone when someone is a baby, because a baby can't choose if her or she wants to trust in and follow Jesus. So, the first Baptist thing was mainly about making sure a person first trusts in Jesus for salvation and then gets immersed in water, in order to confess Jesus before people.

But now there are also Pentecostals and others who require that you be immersed after getting saved.

But certain ones claiming to be "Baptist" can separate themselves from other Baptists because of which Bible translation they hold to or not, free will or predestination, and strictness of outward standards.
---com7fy8 on 10/6/14


Whatever you do, do NOT get your information about Baptists from Shira.

She simply paints everything with too broad a brush, and probably gets her info about Southern Baptists from a paranoid preacher
---James_L on 10/5/14


I belong to an independent baptist church. We are very different from southern baptist. Southern baptist use the niv and they have gone very contemporary. The independent baptist is one of the few old time churches. We believe in the kjv as the inspired Word of God, we aren't comfemporary even tho some may be. I don't personally know any that are. We believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. The bible is our authority and we don't answer to a convention.
---shira4358 on 10/5/14


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I am only acquainted with the Nigerian Baptist Convention, a member of the Baptist World Alliance. I will also like to know more about the other Baptists.
---Adetunji on 10/5/14


//I heard of one church calling itself Baptist that refused to baptize.

Go figure.

Glory to Jesus Christ! ---Cluny on 10/4/14

anabatist to baptist to antibaptist

that's funny
---aka on 10/5/14


\\There are other twists and turns.

The path is not straight. nor is it well lit
---aka on 10/3/14
\\

I heard of one church calling itself Baptist that refused to baptize.

Go figure.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/14


The reason I asked this is because Southern Baptists seem to get a mention fairly frequently on this website and other similar ones. All I read about them seems negative and I get the impression that they are controversial so I was curious. I'll also do a Google search to try to glean something about them. I've recently become a member of our local Baptist church having moved to an area where there is not a church of the denomination I used to attend. I feel that God moved me here and have never felt that I fitted in elsewhere in the way I do in my current church.
---Rita_H on 10/4/14


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There are some independent Baptist churches here. There are some governed by bodies such as the southern Baptist convention.

For the most part...Baptists are trinitarians. Some are sebellian modalists. There are other twists and turns.

The path is not straight. nor is it well lit
---aka on 10/3/14


We don't have enough words in our question to explain fully so here are details.

Our Baptist churches believe in the Trinity and have no hierarchy. Each church has its own leader and deacons, is self governing, self supporting and most members are baptised by total immersion with a few exceptions.

No infants, or those with no testimony to give, are baptised.
---Rita_H on 10/3/14


Rita...maybe you can ask if anyone here has been to your country's Baptist church.

The first thing I can tell you about southern baptist here is that there never is lack of opinion even if there is lack of experience, knowledge, and restraint.
---aka on 10/3/14


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