Many do not really believe in God. Others do not believe that God does not lie.
---a_servant on 12/15/14|
Hello, yes,I certainly,do believe in angels, I seen one in my lifetime.I was paralyzed in a wheel,chair a old woman come fr out of no where, long story/short she let me know, I would soon be healed.I was healed soon after her apearance..there also, exists the fallen angel Satan, the Lord I pray rebuke him.Rev.12:9,1Pet.5:8
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 10/20/14|
John 16:8-11 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me, Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more, Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
--The Holy Spirit is convicting the world of sin.
--The Truth has been laid in the hearts of man, yet, by man's teachings, it is disregarded.
---micha9344 on 10/13/14|
Of course there are angels out there that we do not see. Maybe millions of them. All are under the direction of God. Satan is also under the direction of God. He is permitted to temp individuals no more then God will allow him. He is an angel and has no attributes like God does. He is not sovereign. The only Truth that really matters comes from the word of God. And such a God cannot be found out by searching. He can be known only as He is revealed to the heart by the Holy Spirit through the Word. The Truth of Scripture can only be known by those to whom He makes Himself known.
---Luke on 10/13/14|
There are also some subtleties here. For example, if the person telling you the truth is someone who hurt you, you are less likely to believe him. E.g. if conquistadores kill your men, rape your women, steal your gold and your land - all because they believe they have permission to do so from their god - and they then tell you to worship the same god who gave them permission to do these things - you are likely to think "this must be an evil god they worship, and I want nothing to do with him".
It is situations like this that inspired Paul to write in Romans 2:24:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through YOU, as it is written."
---StrongAxe on 10/12/14|
"A cannibal raised among cannibals would find nothing wrong with that." Exactly. Yet one not raised among cannibals would find that appalling. The "truth" for the cannibal is, that it's ok, the truth for every one else, is that it is not. Do we condemn, or attempt to correct the cannibal for his belief, or do we simply live out our own?
---joseph on 10/11/14|
If a person can know the truth and refuses to look they are responsible for believing a lie.
The Cannibals in the Islands of the Pacific were visited by missionaries some of whom were murdered and eaten. But their work paid off and many became Christians.
When WW2 came thousands of air men were rescued by these former cannibals. They called the Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels because of their hair.
Among the men they saved was John F. Kennedy. The men who saved belonged to three different churches. They were Baptist, Methodists and Seventy day Adventists.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/12/14|
You asked: "can a cannibal raised a cannibal be held to the same Truth?" That would depend upon what "Truth" is being held.
I think that, from the context, it's obvious that the truth being implied here is the idea that "it's wrong to eat other people". A cannibal raised among cannibals would find nothing wrong with that.
---StrongAxe on 10/11/14|
ok...but as i said. it doesn't make it the truth
---aka on 10/10/14|
Correction to prior post. ""if i firmly regard as fact that 2 + 2 = 5, a good teacher should not mark my answer wrong?" Yes. The answer is incorrect, base on a universally know fact. However if one regards [2+2=5] as fact,.... "can a cannibal raised a cannibal be held to the same Truth?" That would depend upon what "Truth" is being held.
---joseph on 10/10/14|
"so, for you, beliefs drive facts." No. Reread the post.
"if i firmly regard as fact that 2 + 2 = 5, a good teacher should not mark my answer wrong?" No. The answer is incorrect, base on a universally know fact. However if one regards 2+2+5 as fact, and firmly holds that belief, than for that one 2+2=5, and to that one the teacher is incorrect, and chances are that one will not be convinced other wise. Again, "whatever one firmly regards as fact, is for that one truth."
---joseph on 10/10/14|
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Rom 1:18-20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ... Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath shewed [it] unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:
---micha9344 on 10/10/14|
however, i do see your point on another level.
how can somebody raised in a cult be held responsible for never getting a chance to know the truth?
can a cannibal raised a cannibal be held to the same Truth?
Yes and No.
Rom 12:3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.
---aka on 10/10/14|
To reiterate, whatever "one firmly regards as fact", (which is how I define belief), is for that one truth. ---joseph on 10/9/14
so, for you, beliefs drive facts.
if i firmly regard as fact that 2 + 2 = 5, a good teacher should not mark my answer wrong?
in 5th grade, no matter how much i argued that "greatful" should be the proper spelling, i am grateful that the teacher did not give me credit for something that i firmly believed in. it taught me humility.
speed limit on the main road is 45. not matter how much i believe the limit should be raised to 55, it is not the truth (for now :-)
The fact is that, despite what i may believe (or not), the facts which are true should drive beliefs.
---aka on 10/10/14|
This is not an attempt to answer for Mockinbird. Rather to simply interject my thoughts concerning Aka's question."i went to a twelve step program and one shared about a purple god. that was truth to that person. but, why? does the individual's belief make it truth" For that individual, yes. For this individual Jesus is the Truth. Beyond that which is a direct written quote of the Father, or Jesus, truth is only relative to what one believes to be true. To reiterate, whatever "one firmly regards as fact", (which is how I define belief), is for that one truth.
---joseph on 10/9/14|
It's not that people don't believe in angels. its what purpose do they have in this age. If you are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, what part does an angel play in your life?
---michael_e on 10/9/14|
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I believe in Satan but I do not blame him for what I choose to do. That is a bad joke.
I am responsible before GOD and the world for my actions.
I must beat the responsibilities for my actions.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/9/14|
// "Belief" is something we hold as truth or is real to us. // ---mockinbird on 10/8/14
your definition sound relative to each person. what is your specific beliefs?
i went to a twelve step program and one shared about a purple god. that was truth to that person. but, why? does the individual's belief make it truth or does the truth make it the truth?
does the belief that an archangel was the pre-incarnation of Jesus Christ and that Jesus will be (or is) reconstituted as an angel make it true just because one believes that?
---aka on 10/9/14|
If I do NOT believe in angels in theory, I can avoid the spirit realm and thus everything is as it is physically.
If I believe in satan I can deny my personal involvement in a situation and blame him.
---Scott1 on 10/9/14|
There may be many reasons people believe what they do, or disbelieve.
However, the Truth, (guaranteed to be right reasoning) is able to correct, to right thinking, right mind
As for angels and satan, have avoided giving too much time/attention, but have recently encountered someone who believes angels are given to us (guardian angels, a multitude per individual)and that we can command them, and more.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Heb 1:7, Heb 1:14
Who maketh his angels spirits, his ministers a flaming fire Ps 104:4
It is God who maketh, sends
---chria9396 on 10/9/14|
There are angels all over the earth. I think we have guardian angels. Satan was a rebellious angel. He took many with him when God kicked them out of heaven but those are not the same as guardian Angels.
---shira4368 on 10/9/14|
"Belief" is something we hold as truth or is real to us. Belief can be simply an opinion one believe to be true. Belief is also faith and trust.
Angels are spiritual messengers
Sent by God to bring a devine message.Sent to watch out or over us.There are Angels of the church, Re. 2:1. Angels appeared to Joseph:Matt.2:13. Thanks for your responses
---mockinbird on 10/8/14|
//Why does some people not believe in angels...// mockingbird
you might have to qualify "belief" in angels first.
In the 5th Century A.D., Dionysius studied biblical and non-biblical references to angels. He concluded that there were 9 classes, called choirs of angels, and were divided into 3 spheres.
1st Sphere Seraphim, Cheribum and Thrones
2nd Sphere Dominions, Virtues and Powers
3rd Sphere Principalities, Archangels and Angels.
Nevertheless, a theophonic angel or appearance of Elohim is not to be confused or mixed with the above created angels.
As Adetunji suggested, please read Hebrews chapter 1 in its entirety. then, jump to chapter 2 if you feel froggish.
---aka on 10/8/14|
Please read Hebrews chapter 1.
I was reading an article on the Y-JESUS website today when I came across a reference to this chapter.
This chapter makes it clear that the Lord Jesus Christ is far above all Angels and the Angels worship Him.
---Adetunji on 10/8/14|
Mockinbird, simply because having Satan to blame for ones actions, tends to ease ones conscience. Believing there are Holy Angels watching and recording ones actions, does not:o)
---joseph on 10/7/14|
Angels do exist, They are servants of the God-head (Father, Son & Holy Spirit).
However they do only what God instructs them to do.
They do not want men to worship them, they know only God deserves our worship (except Lucifer that erred & is still in error).
They can be around us and accompany us everywhere only acting (in our favour or against) according to the instructions God gave or gives to them.
---Adetunji on 10/7/14|
I have no idea.
Have you ever tried asking such people yourself?
In my limited experience, those who don't believe in angels don't believe in Satan either.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/14|