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Paralysis of Analysis. Why do people (saved and unsaved) spend so much of their time over thinking the Bible?

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Love is way more important than faith or hope or doctrine or anything else.
---learner2 on 4/13/15


Psalm 1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season, his leaf also shall not wither, and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Cluny Saturday Sabbath service.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/10/15


\\Why do people (saved and unsaved) spend so much of their time over thinking the Bible?
\\

Oh, how I love Your law. All day long I meditate upon it.

Psalm 119.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/8/15


//Trav, what in the world are you talking about?
---Luke on 10/21/14

Point,twice now, by u asking again. You stated: (In the Bible there are many cases where the Spirit commanded Paul and others not to go)
Yet you think you are greater than the Disciple/Apostles. You would send them now, even against Christs command.
The prophets you've buried don't testify or uphold your projections or concerns.
To expect a reward for adding personal language to or ignoring scripture is, as one "should" expect.
Eze_37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 10/21/14


//You've said it but, don't even realize or honor your own statements. You really say, I will do different even if the Apostles, who Christ chose were told not to//

Trav, what in the world are you talking about? How do I not honor my own statement? Then you say about me, "I will do different even the Apostles" I never said anything bad about them. Only what the Holy Spirit told them to do. I copied it from Scripture. You have a problem with Scripture, that is not my fault. You have a problem speaking correctly, that is also not my fault. You have a problem with the lost sheep of Israel, that also is not my fault.
---Luke on 10/21/14




StrongAxe wrote: "...by comparing it to his other posts on these blogs in the past), you jumped immediately into an accusation of something that is merely not true."

I do not "...jumped immediately into an accusation..." Before I post something I lay back into my chair and contemplate for a few minutes what I am about to write. Sometimes it even takes me days before I write a response.

I have read many of Luke's posts and am familiar with his thoughts so, again, I stand fast of what I wrote.

Case closed.
---Steveng on 10/20/14


Trav and Steven,
In the Bible there are many cases where the Spirit commanded Paul and others not to go ...
---Luke on 10/18/14

You've said it but, don't even realize or honor your own statements. You really say, I will do different even if the Apostles, who Christ chose were told not to.
You're so special, you can ignore scripture, at least what you don't like.
Joh_5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 10/20/14


Steveng:

You said: I knew exactly what I was writing and definately did not "hastily jump to such a conclusion."

I have no doubt that you intended to say exactly what you intended to say. However, from the context (and from Luke's response), it is fairly clear that, rather than trying to determine what HE meant by his statement (for example, by comparing it to his other posts on these blogs in the past), you jumped immediately into an accusation of something that is merely not true.

If you walked slowly and deliberately rather than jumping, I apologize for my inaccurate phrasing.
---StrongAxe on 10/19/14


StrongAxe wrote: "It sounds like he meant "I do not need Scripture TO TELL ME millions are dying without knowing Jesus Christ" - NOT "I do need Scripture at all". If you look at other things Luke has written in the past, you would likely not hastily jump to such a conclusion."

I knew exactly what I was writing and definately did not "hastily jump to such a conclusion."
---Steveng on 10/19/14


Yes Lawrence I deny you teach the truth because you ignore that there is a Father, Son and HOLY SPIRIT. In order for there to be a Father and Son there has to be two. For JESUS to be here on Earth in a Human Body and die for our sins there has to be two.


Rev 5:6,7

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

For one to take the book from the other there has to be two. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/19/14




Pass the time.
---sin on 10/19/14


Strongaxe,
thanks for the support to my statements. I was answering Mark E, that not everyone has heard of Jesus Christ. Everyone needs Scripture to know about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, but not to tell them that many are dying in their sins around the world today because they never heard of Jesus Christ. We have missionaries in both China and North Korea. They have to hide to have fellowship. But the churches are growing, and more and more are being saved. God is moving in making missionaries of many to go unto all the world, where Jesus has never been heard of.
---Luke on 10/19/14


Luke wrote: I do not need Scripture. Millions are dying without knowing Jesus Christ.

Steveng wrote: Wow, you don't need scripture? Not surprised and you're not alone. Most christians think the same, unfortunately.

It sounds like he meant "I do not need Scripture TO TELL ME millions are dying without knowing Jesus Christ" - NOT "I do need Scripture at all". If you look at other things Luke has written in the past, you would likely not hastily jump to such a conclusion.

(and also to jerry6593)
---StrongAxe on 10/18/14


Luke wrote: "No one can prove from the Bible that millions are dying without Christ in China, North Korea, India, and other places because Scripture closed about two thousand years ago and people are dying without Christ today."


So, does that mean you don't believe in end-time prophesy? That, too, ended two thousand years ago.
---Steveng on 10/18/14


\\In the Bible there are many cases where the Spirit commanded Paul and others not to go through certain towns with the gospel but to go to other towns, and many people from those towns died without Christ.\\

Et reliqua.

Do you know for sure that God didn't send someone else later?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/18/14


Trav and Steven,
No one can prove from the Bible that millions are dying without Christ in China, North Korea, India, and other places because Scripture closed about two thousand years ago and people are dying without Christ today.
In the Bible there are many cases where the Spirit commanded Paul and others not to go through certain towns with the gospel but to go to other towns, and many people from those towns died without Christ.
In Acts 16 we read that Paul wanted to go to Asia to preach the gospel. The Holy Spirit said "no" at that time, and many in Asia died without the gospel. Paul then wanted to preach in Bithynia, but again the Holy Spirit said no, and again many in Bithynia died without Christ in their sins.
---Luke on 10/18/14


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Luke: "I do not need Scripture."

Yes, you do. Otherwise, all you have to offer is your opinion, and that's not going to convince anyone.


---jerry6593 on 10/18/14


So, if I understand correctly, the name of the Holy Spirit is also Jesus Christ?
How then can Jesus say "
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever,"?
Another Comforter?
Also, on this verse, is Jesus praying to Himself, if the Father's name is Jesus Christ?
If not, to whom is He praying?
If so, why send Himself if He is the same and call Himself another to Himself?
Was He even talking to anyone at all?
---micha9344 on 10/17/14


Samuel

Matt.28 v 19 says in the name. Acts 2 v 38 Fulfills Matt.28 v 19. It's the The name scripture Is referring to. No other name given where by we must be saved.

Being baptized Matt.28 v 19, you go down a dry sinner & come a wet sinner. Nothing happened, you just got wet.
Being baptized Acts 2 v 38, you go down in Jesus Christ, that name is applied to your soul.
Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.

No doubt you's will go ahead & still deny, deny, deny. It's you's choice.
---Lawrence on 10/17/14


All doctrines we teach are to be based on Scripture.


Matthew 28:19,20

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

The Gospel is to go to all people and we are to be missionaries as well as send them.


Psalms 117:1,2

O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.

For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/16/14


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Luke wrote: "I do not need Scripture. Millions are dying without knowing Jesus Christ."

Wow, you don't need scripture? Not surprised and you're not alone. Most christians think the same, unfortunately.

At the second resurrection, the other dead shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life - according to their works. Many people may not have heard of Jesus, but the laws of God are written upon their hearts and they have done love to mankind. These are the ones who will be judged.
---Steveng on 10/16/14


I do not need Scripture. Millions are dying without knowing Jesus Christ. .....
Why send missionaries?
---Luke on 10/16/14

You speak of scriptural things but, cannot prove yourself with scripture? Your testimony is null/void.

What scriptures tell luke to send/finance missionaries?
Which,tell who you are helping GOD look for who?
Eze_34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

Which, tell who is Christ looking for?
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Php 2:21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.
Luk_12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay...
---Trav on 10/16/14


//2 Cor. 7:10 "For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death"//

Mark E,
the passage is clear, it is according to the will of God, not the will of man.


//Lastly, do you have any Scriptures to back up this statement "not all are offered salvation"? Seems to me that I read Jesus died for the entire WORLD.//

I do not need Scripture. Millions are dying without knowing Jesus Christ. If you are suggesting that those who never heard of Jesus Christ are saved because Jesus died for the whole world, then no one needs to know about Jesus Christ. Why send missionaries?
---Luke on 10/16/14


Mark_Eaton: "You did not say repent."

I think you should read my post again. I did say repent.
---Steveng on 10/15/14


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if man is saved by repenting then salvation comes to him by his own works. But it is God who grants repentance to those who are born again.
---Luke on 10/15/14

I have no objection to saying that God grants repentance.

But what is knowledge without action? The same as faith without works. Dead and useless.

2 Cor. 7:10 "For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death"

Lastly, do you have any Scriptures to back up this statement "not all are offered salvation"? Seems to me that I read Jesus died for the entire WORLD.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/15/14


"I'M RIGHT & YOU'RE WRONG!!!..."

Lord deliver us ALL from our self deluding, loveless "PRIDE" that pulls us deep down into the suffocating Paralysis of Analysis Pit (quagmire). LORD HELP US!!!
---Leon on 10/15/14


//If GOD offers you a way out of hell and you refuse to accept it that is your fault.

All are offered away out.//

Samuel,
not all are offered salvation, because millions of Chinese, North Korean's, and those from India, and many others all over the world have never heard of Jesus Christ, why do you think we are in great need of Missionaries.

Mark E,
if man is saved by repenting then salvation comes to him by his own works. But it is God who grants repentance to those who are born again.
"God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will." 2 Tim. 2:25,26.
---Luke on 10/15/14


You are suggesting that salvation is by works of sinful man not God. That God cannot do anything unless sinful man allows Him or gives Him permission to save him. That is not so. no one has power over God.
---Luke on 10/14/14

I never suggested anything close to that.

I said that repentance is the change in attitude that allows us to be conformed to God's way and God does the conforming. Repentance is something that we do.

How exactly are we saved?

Rom 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved"

Could you do this before you repented?
---Mark_Eaton on 10/14/14


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First, one recognizes he is a sinner by knowing the ten commandments, knowing Jesus, and the ultimate commandment of LOVE (as in the verb form). Then he repents and gets baptised by water. Then that person must practice what is preached in the bible.
---Steveng on 10/13/14

Is that not what I said?

What you said "how does one, seeking the kingdom of God, get there from where they are today? LOVE (as in the verb form)/ to love God and to love others".

You did not say repent. Without repentance we cannot love God or others. We are enemies of God in the kingdom of darkness under the bondage of sin.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/14/14


We do not change ourselves. We realize we are lost sinners when the HOLY SPIRIT convicts by the law we are sinners. Then we must turn to JESUS because He shows us love.

We must be Born Again by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT which then changes us and we are now children of GOD. John3

We learn to live and love like our elder brother showed us and love GOD with all of ourselves and love others as JESUS loves us which results in going above and beyond just the Ten Commandments which are just learning to not do evil.

However we can choose to reject GOD and His salvation at any time in our life. Like those in Matthew 24 and those who let the world crowd out GOD.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/14/14


// Only God can change us so radically but we must be willing to allow him to do so.//

Mark E, I also disagree with your statement. Your logic about God is wrong. We are Christian not because of something we did, but because of something God decided. God chose us and will make us holy. In Eph. 1:9 Paul says that God "made known to us (who believe) the mystery of His will, according to the kind intention which He purposed in Himself" God purposed or swore by Himself. On God's ability to keep His promise we are saved.
You are suggesting that salvation is by works of sinful man not God. That God cannot do anything unless sinful man allows Him or gives Him permission to save him. That is not so. no one has power over God.
---Luke on 10/14/14


Mark_Eaton: "I must disagree with this statement [What Steveng wrote on 10/12/14]."

How can you disagree? It is plainly written in the bible itself! Did you even read the scriptures I provided? Do you even know the definition of the word "salvation?" Savation encompsses the complete steps of being saved: First, one recognizes he is a sinner by knowing the ten commandments, knowing Jesus, and the ultimate commandment of LOVE (as in the verb form). Then he repents and gets baptised by water. Then that person must practice what is preached in the bible.
---Steveng on 10/13/14


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Leon hit on the most important precept(1) and almost all of the most important concept(2):

(1) Matt. 22:36-40
(2) 1 Cor. 15:2-9 (not 6)

Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

on and beyond the surface, search for the "fatherless" and "widows".

Job 11:15 For then shalt thou lift up thy face without spot, yea, thou shalt be stedfast, and shalt not fear.
---aka on 10/13/14


Last, so, how does one, seeking the kingdom of God, get there from where they are today? LOVE..
---Steveng on 10/12/14

I must disagree with this statement. I love your sentiment but your statement seems to discuss salvation.

For one to be transferred from the dominion of darkness to the Kingdom of Jesus, one must perform an about face and change their attitudes and thinking to match that of Jesus and God.

We know this as repentance, the complete changing of life direction and life purpose. Only God can change us so radically but we must be willing to allow him to do so. To me, this is the essence of what people refer to as salvation.

Love can then flow out of the life of Jesus that we live out.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/13/14


Simple question, simple answer.
Religion.
Religion seeks to solve the complex questions and give us a formula for finding God and living a life that pleases God. Religion wants to control its followers so it creates a set of rules and practices that everyone must follow. Everyone who follows this religion must be trained ....
---Mark_Eaton on 10/10/14

Well put. Flee religion for Truth. Truth found thru the multiple "authorized" witnesses of GOD.
Eze_16:8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love, I spread my skirt over thee, covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, thou becamest mine.
---Trav on 10/13/14


What Is The Gospel
Paralysis of Analysis. ---Leon on 10/10/14

"Gospel" being truth, and "Good News". For whom? Those it was intended for. Those who seek it or are found by it. Clarification is found thru GOD's scriptural mouthpieces.

Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
1Co_9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
Truth....causes division....as seen here.
Luk_12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay, but rather division:
---Trav on 10/13/14


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First, christianity IS a religion. James 1:27

Second, the Gospel, the good news, is the coming Kingdom of God. That's it, nothing more.

Matthew 6:33
Mark 1:14, 15
Mark 4:11
Luke 4:43
Luke 8:10
Luke 9:2, 60
Acts 8:12
Acts 14:22
Acts 19:8
Acts 28:23, 31
Acts 28:31
1 Thessalonians 2:12


Last, so, how does one, seeking the kingdom of God, get there from where they are today? LOVE (as in the verb form)/ to love God and to love others. Love, true love, active love, is your ticket to the Kingdom of God. Most christians know the meaning of "love", but don't really know how to apply it. The whole bible teaches it.

John 3:3
Romans 14:17
1 Corinthians 4:20
---Steveng on 10/12/14


"'Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?' Jesus replied: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart & with all your soul & with all your mind. This is the first & greatest commandment. And the second is like it: love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law & the Prophets hang on these two commandments.'" Matt. 22:36-40, NIV

That's apparently not good enough for religious people who try to serve God thru loveless, vain repetitions, i.e., "Glory to Jesus Christ". Scripture speaks clearly to the hearts of people who diligently seek to hear, know & love God. When one's heart is right towards God & people, one lovingly draws nearer to God & He draws near to YOU.
---Leon on 10/12/14


What Is The Gospel?

"By this gospel you are saved...that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time..." - 1 Cor. 15:2-6

"...[I'm] not ashamed of the gospel, for [it's] the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first & also to the Greek." Ro. 1:16 (NSB)

The gospel summarily explains who Jesus is & what He did for mankind. "Gospel" literally means "good news", God's solution to our SIN problem.
---Leon on 10/12/14


True good words as part of the essence of all truth.

Love GOD as stated by Moses and JESUS. Who both also stated love others.

But we are to love others as JESUS loves.


John 13:34

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

You cannot follow JESUS without religion since that is the discipline of knowing what JESUS taught and who he is.

Many follow traditions and do not read the whole Bible. Also some want to prove they are right and all others are wrong.

A Christian wants to teach others in love and care for them to point them to JESUS.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/12/14


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Moderator, thank you so very much for the words you gave: Love God and love people. I have searched for years for the perfect way to say in a few words what ALL the Bible is about, and now you have found it for me.
---Geraldine on 10/10/14


\\Which one do you suppose is more teachable?
---Leon on 10/10/14\\

By your own standard, Leon, most of the people on the blogs are unteachable.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/14


Paralysis of Analysis. Why do people (saved and unsaved) spend so much of their time over thinking the Bible?
---Leon on 10/10/14

Simple question, simple answer.

Religion.

Religion seeks to solve the complex questions and give us a formula for finding God and living a life that pleases God. Religion wants to control its followers so it creates a set of rules and practices that everyone must follow. Everyone who follows this religion must be trained in these practices and rules.

I want a relationship with Jesus not a religion.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/10/14


We all have encountered the child who claims to know absolutely everything. If you ask him/her a question about anything, he/she will immediately take off in God knows whatever direction on the subject. Why is that? Then there's the child who if you ask him/her the same question, he/she will respond with "I don't know."

Fast forward: Both children have grown up & their personalities are still pretty much the same as before, i.e., one is still a zealous know it all while the other is still measured & slow to speak about things he/she doesn't know about.

Which one do you suppose is more teachable?
---Leon on 10/10/14


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