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If a person, not knowing denominational churches, found a bible, brought it back to his villiage and the whole villiage adhered to its doctrines, would the people of that villiage go to heaven or hell?

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 ---Steveng on 10/12/14
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Cluny, since only your priests partakers of the blood on everyone's behalf, and not the little common people themselves, HOW is that obeying what you think John 6 says?

No man needs to do anything on my behalf, as Jesus MY LORD did all on my behalf. And how do you explain a sinful human such as your priests able to do anything on anyone's behalf but his own? Not even such a teaching under the Law of Moses exists that you all think you are imitating. Our ONLY High Priest is Jesus Christ Himself.

If perhaps you read and understood this truth you would know there is no room for Counterfeit Christ's AKA anti-Christ's. If you don't know what anti-Christ means, it doesn't mean one against Christ, but one pretending to be Christ.
---kathr4453 on 11/12/14


Clever clunky....you failed to answer a very important question. Great way to avoid answering. Or is it because you don't know, and have no scripture to back up.

Your doctrine of Christ in you, eating Jesus that is, is something you have to do often, because what we eat doesn't remain..

HOWEVER, those who receive Jesus death and resurrection life where the Risen Christ is IN YOU for all eternity is only needed to be done once.

Sanctified ONCE and for All Through the Body of Christ, Hebrews 10....we claim and KNOW. But you have to do it over and over.....where no scripture supports.

It's YOU who does not understand.
---kathr4453 on 11/12/14


\\. namely the Eucharist.

Cluny on 11/11/14

Are you sure about that Cluny? \\

Yep.

I'm surprised you don't know it for yourself, since you claim to believe the Bible as written.

You want scripture? John 6 is a good place to start.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/14


... namely the Eucharist.

Cluny on 11/11/14

Are you sure about that Cluny? Did Jesus cut off His finger and drain His blood, and offer it to them to eat and drink? The common people were offered BOTH His literal body and blood. So even your denomination do not practice what you believe Jesus meant?

So where did this practice take place even among His Apostles? All sitting around the campfire munching down on Jesus?

Scripture Cluny!

So I'll ask again. When your priests work miracles and turn crackers into Jesus literal body that you eat, is it His risen Glorified body your are eating OR His flesh BEFORE going to the cross? Be very careful how you answer that!
---kathr4463 on 11/12/14


\\Nana, here is another example. John 6... The whole chapter. Look at all those people, following Jesus, listening to Him, so carried away that they wanted to make Jesus KING right there and then.\\

Most people on these blogs "walk with Jesus no more" precisely because of the issue upon which Jesus was teaching, namely the Eucharist.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/14




Nana, here is another example. John 6... The whole chapter. Look at all those people, following Jesus, listening to Him, so carried away that they wanted to make Jesus KING right there and then. Really GOOD folks here. But look at the tragic end of their hearts. They were only willing to follow Him to a point. Walking away grumbling, surely continuing to keep the Law and remaining GOOD folks, they were LOST as LOST could be, clearly stated by Jesus Himself. THEY would not be the ones Jesus resurrected in the last day. Heartbreaking I know, but it is what it is. These same multitudes are with us today, following Jesus, to a point, but not beyond that point, forever lost, by their own choice.
---kathr4453 on 11/11/14


Romans 2: 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Nana, you failed to read all of Romans 2. Yes the GOSPEL that was preached in Genesis 3:15. THAT same Gospel. Jonah did not preach the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ. If so, please show where.

There will be millions of really GOOD people going to hell. Hebrews begins with Abel's FAITH in the coming redeemer AKA the GOSPEL. the same one according to Paul.

Doctrines DO NOT SAVE, nor does anyone's good works save. Jesus death and resurrection life does. Romans 2 state ALL MEN KNOW they are sinners, with or without the law. therefore ALL men are without excuse.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/14


Once more, redirecting the missdirection, no one is talking about Universal Salvation here.
We read, "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11:6

Steven stated, "the whole villiage adhered to its doctrines". Paul stated, "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:", Romans 2:7
Micah put it simply, "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good, and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"
---Nana on 11/10/14


If Abraham could find only 10 people or less in Sodom and Gomorrah, God would have spared those cities too. God spared Nineveh, DELAYING His wrath, that eventually that prophesy of Johah's WAS fulfilled a few hundred years later.

But we must remember, even if America repented, does not GUARANTEE every person in America will go to heaven, anymore than if God spared Sodom and Gomorrah would have guaranteed everyone there would go to heaven. And even when Israel was obedient and received earthly blessings for their obedience did not guarantee every Jew at that time went to heaven. There is a difference between earthly blessings and ETERNAL BLESSINGS.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/14


If they could turn they would be saved. But they cannot.
"For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to "us" (believers) who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Cor. 1:18).

The word has to come to them in power and in the Holy Spirit in order for any sinner to come to Christ.
"Knowing beloved brethren, (those who are saved) your election by God. For our gospel did not come to you in word only, "but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit with much assurance." 1 Thess. 1:4,5).
---Luke on 11/10/14




Jonah 3:6_10 " yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way, and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them, and he did it not."

Jonah 4:11 "And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand, and also much cattle?"

The book of Jonah does not speak of a 'doctine of the law' or gnosticism. Steven knows the Bible is the word of God.
"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
---Nana on 11/9/14


Galatians 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Paul didn't say it once, but TWICE.

Steveng's question said nothing about repentance, or ones in need of a savior from their sin. Yet we have millions today preaching repentance, and like the Jews who rejected Jesus Christ and their faith in Him alone for the remission of sin, those hearing have not repented, but still think they are going to heaven because they adhere to the doctrine of the Law, totally rejecting the doctrine of the CROSS, which is the Gospel Paul is referring to here. Even Nineveh wasn't put under the doctrine of the LAW.
---kathr4453 on 11/7/14


Jesus was speaking to the hostile Jews who were not saved and wanted to kill Him, "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life, and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life" (John 5:)

Why are they not willing to come to Christ? Because we are later told by Paul, "What then? are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
There is no one righteous, no, not one,
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks after God."
(Rom. 3:9-11).
---Luke on 11/7/14


Matthew 12:41 "The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas, and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here."
Acts 10:34_35 "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."
---Nana on 11/6/14


If a person, not knowing denominational churches, found a bible, brought it back to his villiage and the whole villiage adhered to its doctrines, would the people of that villiage go to heaven or hell?//

God doesn't save whole villages, He saves individuals based on their personal faith in Jesus death and resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/14


Luke...who here hates you?
---aka on 11/5/14


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//1JoHN 2:9

He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.//

Samuel, that is a great passage you put down.
... unless God opens their eyes.
---Luke on 11/4/14

Which transformed false brother are we supposed to coddle...markv,__G, luke, etc?

2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion, that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 ..., whose end shall be according to their works.
---Trav on 11/4/14


//1JoHN 2:9

He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.//

Samuel, that is a great passage you put down. I find that most on this blog are just gossipers, happy when they our out of the Spirit. Nothing has really changed in their lives. When someone puts down the Truth, they get all push out of shape. The amount of passages I gave where for nothing. They call all of them false. What else can anyone do? Not a thing. They believe fallen man has all kinds of power over God. But they will continue to believe that unless God opens their eyes.
---Luke on 11/4/14


We can show Christian love but oppose false doctrine.

We teach that a person cannot live in sin and be saved.


Rom 13:8,9

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

If you do not love others you do not love GOD.


1JoHN 2:9

He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/3/14


What great Christian love most of you show.
---Luke on 10/31/14

Christians are never required to love that which is false. Rather the opposite.

Psa_119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Psa_120:3 What shall be given unto thee? or what shall be done unto thee, thou false tongue?
2Co_11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
---Trav on 11/3/14


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Please stop pretending as if you don't understand english ( 1 of your tricks)!!!
---Adetunji on 11/2/14

a little cnet history. i believe, once mark v said he was Hispanic. every once in a while, under his pseudonym was broken spanglish. most of the posts were polished English statements, usually copy and pasted from the proponents of Calvinistic thought.

luke might not fully understand english as he does not seem to grasp the bible as it is written either.
---aka on 11/3/14


To bizzaro Luke/MarkV on 10/31/14:

Were you MarkV previously?
No answer will be seen as an affirmative unfortunately.
---Trav on 10/31/14

Affirmation by lack of denial is sign or "mark" enough.

(at least you've changed enough that it took someone who knew you really well ... to out you)
You get the best disguise/costume, for this halloween.
---Trav on 11/3/14


Luke, please get it through your head YOU are not Jesus giving us the TRUTH. You are Markv/Luke giving us YOUR thuth, which is not truth at all.

No one is trying to kill you either. Anyone who teaches false doctrine can say exactly what you are saying, but it doesn't make them Jesus giving truth.

Please get over yourself...it's getting booring booring booring. You need to get some help. Delusions of grandeur can be one of many things. Especially the delusion you are equal to Jesus giving truth.

WE can all say WE are giving YOU the truth, and YOU have done the same thing by cursing US!

Yes LUKE is MarkV, because THIS is Markv's MO....unless ALL Calvinists are delusional in the exact same way.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/14


Listening to most of you reminds me of when Jesus was speaking, many wanted to kill Him. He did asked them, why they wanted to kill Him when all He doing was telling them the Truth.
They had the Scriptures, had read them over and over. But no matter how much they read them, it was not going to change their hearts. They just hated Him. The more truth He gave them the worse they got. But Jesus was not going to die before His time.
They were following God but they did not have the Word abiding in them. So all they did was look for something to judge Him for. Like for breaking the Sabbath, for giving them the Truth, for saying He was the Son of God.
---Luke on 11/3/14


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Nana, that's exactly correct. We are to rejoice in who we are NOW..TODAY, forgetting those things that were behind. Old things pass away, behold all things become new. But unfortunately for the Calvinist, they believe it is some sort of pride to rejoice in who they are NOW.

To constantly say we are worms, unworthy horrible sinful creatures is to INSULT THE VERY RIGHTEOUSNESS IMPUTED TO THOSE IN CHRIST therefore insulting Jesus Christ and His finished work.

Yes Luke, many WERE all those things, and many still are today. THAT is why we must preach Christ Crucified to these folks so they TOO can become BRAND NEW in Christ.

WOW TO THOSE WHO STAND IN THE WAY OF SINNERS.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/14


And again I will reiterate my short time in a Calvinist church where back in the 80's when thousands upon thousands of those in Africa were dying of thirst and lack of food, our church preached....." They deserve to die, BECAUSE thousands of years ago they rejected Jesus Christ". Well, maybe THAT generation did, but this one didn't, nor those today, as so many missionaries are in Africa leading many to salvation.

See just another CURSE Calvinists have put on others. They're evil to the core!

Luke/Markv say I know nothing about Calvinism???? Believe me, I do, and these folks who,show this FALSE HUMILITY, are actually the most arrogant , prideful, unloving of any cult out there.
---kathr453 on 11/3/14


we were cast out of God's presence (Gen. 3) We are alienated from God and hostile toward Him (Col. 1:21). We are cut off from God (Rom. 11:22), condemned by God (Rom. 5:10), at enmity with God (James 4:4). We are separated from Christ (Eph. 2:12). We are slaves to sin (John 8:34) and dominated by Satan (2 Tim. 2:26). We are children of wrath (Eph. 2:3) and lovers of darkness (John 3:20) Our minds are debased (Rom 1:28) blinded by the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) Our hearts are sinful (Rom. 1:26)
---Luke on 11/2/14

Luke,

But the elect according to you do not fall into this list.
---Ruben on 11/3/14


"We are separated from Christ (Eph. 2:12).
We are slaves to sin (John 8:34) and dominated by Satan (2 Tim.
2:26). We are children of wrath (Eph. 2:3) and lovers of darkness
(John 3:20) who have been darkened in our understanding (Eph.4:18"

By David Platt in "Finish the Mission: Bringing the Gospel to the Unreached and Unengaged" edited by John Piper, David Mathis

Ephesians 2:12 says, "ye were". It does not say "ye are or we are".
Ephesians 2:3, says, "were by nature" not "we are".

Luke feeds on lies daily and tries to pass them for Truth.
---Nana on 11/2/14


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Luke: // Kathr, as usual, was rebuking me personally for giving her the Truth. Why should I repent for giving her the Truth? //
Her last comment was because you attached our comments to your cramp & going to the hospital,
Please stop pretending as if you don't understand english ( 1 of your tricks)!!!
---Adetunji on 11/2/14


//Christian love has discipline, rebuke for anyone who says anything against God without repenting.//



Adetunji,
Kathr, as usual, was rebuking me personally for giving her the Truth. Why should I repent for giving her the Truth?
we were cast out of God's presence (Gen. 3) We are alienated from God and hostile toward Him (Col. 1:21). We are cut off from God (Rom. 11:22), condemned by God (Rom. 5:10), at enmity with God (James 4:4). We are separated from Christ (Eph. 2:12). We are slaves to sin (John 8:34) and dominated by Satan (2 Tim. 2:26). We are children of wrath (Eph. 2:3) and lovers of darkness (John 3:20) Our minds are debased (Rom 1:28) blinded by the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) Our hearts are sinful (Rom. 1:26)
---Luke on 11/2/14


Luke: // What great Christian love most of you show. //

Christian love has discipline, rebuke for anyone who says anything against God without repenting.
---Adetunji on 11/1/14


Curses? Do Christians really have the power to curse another. I think not. Do Christians even curse others...I think not. With cramps even? Like sticking pins in dolls kinda stuff. Gosh what is this the Salem witch hunts again, Calvinists accusing Calvinists of witchcraft? Calvinists accusing non Calvinists of witchcraft? What ever it is, it always seems to be Calvinists accusing others of witchcraft.
That's an evil charge to make against anyone. And an IGNORANT one. But why is it those who have a god complex believe others are using witchcraft against them? And seriously...a curse of constipation upon another???

I honestly can't believe anyone who professes to be a Christian would post such nonsense.
---kathr4453 on 10/31/14


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Now I know why I was so sick with cramps....
---Luke on 10/31/14

Were you MarkV previously?
No answer will be seen as an affirmative unfortunately. Put a big spinn on it and or tell us plain.
We may know why you are sick too. Carrying to many personality's can cramp a lifestyle.


---Trav on 10/31/14


Now I know why I was so sick with cramps and had to go to the hospital, I had the curse of some so call Christians. But I went to the bathroom and it was all gone. Which reminds me when those people were trying to kill Jesus. He told them He had three witnesses which spoke of Him. The testimony of John the Baptist, the testimony of God through the miracles He did, and the testimony of Scripture which they had, the Old Testament, which spoke of Him, yet they rejected Him even though they searched the Scriptures.
I give you the Word of God and you get personal and try to kill me with your curses. Those people had the Scriptures but they rejected the Truth, Jesus. What great Christian love most of you show.
---Luke on 10/31/14


For a small while Mark_V. became "Bob_M" and finally settled as Luke after a rough welcoming.
See "Heaven Hell Suicide" christianet blog.
---Nana on 10/30/14

Where have you been Nana? Miss your posting...

Yeah, seen the post you mentioned. Elder "outed" him it looked like. Bob M disappeared.
Do you agree Luke is MarkV?
Can't get him to answer the transmission from CNearth station.
We lost Major Tom some years ago. Maybe this is Major Tom!!!
Seems California encourages people to change into who they want too. Betterfly rule or something. (Not Butterfly)
---Trav on 10/31/14


Let us all be thankful to God that "Luke" is a little better than "Mark_V" and that the positive godly trend will continue.
Mark_V was fond of castigating & judging God/Jesus (while defending & excusing Satan) unfairly more than Luke.
---Adetunji on 10/31/14


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For a small while Mark_V. became "Bob_M" and finally settled as Luke after a rough welcoming.
See "Heaven Hell Suicide" christianet blog.
---Nana on 10/30/14


And we all know Markv and Luke are one in the same.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/14

They have a very similar (accented) way of blog speaking.
Are you really sure?
Seems like I may have seen an admission of sorts a few days ago.
Lets blogcallem.

Ground control calling (click): Luke...are you MarkV?
I repeat (click): Luke...are you MarkV?
Got your ears on? (Click) Ground control to MarkV are you Luke1?
This is earth ground control...uuuhhhh comeback please respond: Click, Click, click...sssssssssssssssssss(static)ssssssss


---Trav on 10/29/14


Samuel, The best way to handle Markv is to ignore his posts. The more you counter, the more he loves plopping more and more of his dogma here. If ignored he has nothing to post back about.

Everyone here who has contended with him has been here for years contending the same ol same ol same ol. It's not like he's dogging totally new people.

And we all know Markv and Luke are one in the same.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/14


Markv, if you remember, you were kicked off of here for constantly dogging everyone with the Calvin doctrine. It sure didn't take you long to get back to your old self again. "WE", that is, the majority here are not Calvinists, and will never be.

We've heard it ALL before, and really don't care to hear any more or discuss it anymore or debate it anymore.


---kathr4453 on 10/29/14


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But the HOLY SPIRIT convicts and call all to be saved.


John 16:7,8

Nevertheless I tell you the truth, It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

GOD so loved the world. John 3:16.


2Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

GOD is love. 1 John 4:8.

It is our fault we are lost. Not GOD's.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/29/14


Kathr, you want to believe that a person lost seeks after God. Jesus said, seek Me and you will find Me" He was speaking to believers. Only they believe and seek after God. We are told, from one man's sin comes condemnation for all men (Rom. 5:12) we are cast out of God's presence (Gen. 3) We are alienated from God and hostile toward Him (Col. 1:21). We are cut off from God (Rom. 11:22), condemned by God (Rom. 5:10), at enmity with God (James 4:4). We are separated from Christ (Eph. 2:12). We are slaves to sin (John 8:34) and dominated by Satan (2 Tim. 2:26). We are children of wrath (Eph. 2:3) and lovers of darkness (John 3:20) Our minds are debased (Rom 1:28) blinded by the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) Our hearts are sinful (Rom. 1:26)
---Luke on 10/29/14


//The blood of Jesus Christ was shed and placed on the Mercy seat in heaven once and for all, for ANYONE WHO SEEKS TO FIND MERCY.//

Kathr, you miss the passages that speak of the condition of man who are under sin, the lost,
" There is none righteous, no, not one.
There is none who understands,
There is none who seek after God"
(Rom. 2: 10,11).
If there is none who seek after God how can they seek mercy? Instead of getting upset at me, can you explain those passages from the Word of God? Only one response is necessary, not twenty post.
---Luke on 10/29/14


Stevens, what exactly does adhere to it doctrines mean? Does adhere mean believe?

The only doctrine that saves from hell is the Gospel. Yet we see many with Bibles are still blinded to the Gospel.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/14


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We get into trouble when isolating a verse, and then building a theology around it. The Calvinists have so abused this verse, never reading ALL of Romans 9-11 to see what Paul was teaching and showing. The verse is in context to the whole of Romans 9-11. No other scriptures in all the Word of God supports the Calvinists view of select salvation. Blessings and cursing concerning God's chosen people and how the gentile world treats them is the subject here , not SALVATION. ......as we see, not ALL Israel who came out of Egypt even entered the promise land in the first place...a "type" of salvation.

The blood of Jesus Christ was shed and placed on the Mercy seat in heaven once and for all, for ANYONE WHO SEEKS TO FIND MERCY.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/14


//JESUS saved all who respond and the HOLY SPIRIT calls all.//

Samuel, you make a statement that is not biblical.
Jesus does save all those who respond to Him, because all those who respond to Him have being born of the Spirit. They have been granted faith and repentance, the reason they respond to Him.
The lost do not respond to Christ, they do not believe in Him or do they love Him.
The Holy Spirit does not call everyone to salvation.
"For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whoever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whoever I will have compassion. "So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy" Rom. 9:15,16.
---Luke on 10/26/14


-Either those verses are True or are deceptive at best. Micha

"love is a rose but you better not pick it,
only grows when it's on the Vine.
Handful of thorns and you'll know you've missed it,
Lose your love when you say the word mine"

The deception of most "christians" is that they want to pick the pretty roses and say mine, ignoring the thorns also on the vine.
---aka on 10/24/14


Trav...I understand. I am not on the border patrol yet.
---aka on 10/22/14

Yet. On subject (forgive me please), are two initial search engines. GOD, reached through Christ. Scripture.
Apostles, point to fulfilled prophecies. "ekklesia" seeking light, such as yourself see the same witnesses.
Leaving a question, ... simply answered. Who having "light" argues, ingnores or kills daily GOD's prophets? Seen the marks,signs of these below...today?
Zec 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD,...
Zec 7:10 oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, ...
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, pulled away the shoulder, ...
Zec 7:12 Yea, they made their hearts as ...
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets,
---Trav on 10/23/14


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Yes AKA it is JESUS who saves. He saves those who He has called and in response to His love they Love Him back. We turn from hate and sin to love and righteousness because of what JESUS has done for us.

Jhn 16:7-9
Nevertheless I tell you the truth, It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Of sin, because they believe not on me,

JESUS saved all who respond and the HOLY SPIRIT calls all.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/23/14


--Either those verses are True or are deceptive at best.
--Maybe we have a different understanding of "belief."
-Belief is a command, and not one that will be dismissed by Jesus.
Believe-Do-(10 virgins, 3 servants)
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye might have life through his name.
1Jo 5:13
Pro 9:10 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy [is] understanding.
Ps 111:10
-Maybe I'm just reading too much into your statements.
It is not just belief that sets us apart as Christians, it is Whom we believe.
This belief is the method by which we are saved.
Mat 7:14, John 14:6, 1Jo 3:23
---micha9344 on 10/23/14


Micha...memorize all those verses and more and you can be the defense lawyer of all those who jesus turns away that say they have done amazing thing in jesus' name.

What I am saying is that no matter how much that I think I understand what I believe...my understanding will not save me...only jesus can despite me.

Trav...I understand. Jesus said that he is here for the lost sheep of. Put in lost tribes in your search engine and there are just as many misguided beliefs about that than there is in christendom.

I know that the lost sheep are still scattered and that there are goats from the same tribes. My concern is for now is the lost sheep. I am not on the border patrol yet.
---aka on 10/22/14


I am not concerned about lost tribes, I am concerned about the lost sheep.
For now, if you come to my home hungry and cold...I will give you a warm meal and blanket.
---aka on 10/22/14

The named, divorced nations, less Judah/Benjamin everyone can't find...are the lost sheep.
Feel the same, cold cup or A/C depending on season.

Eze_34:6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.

Mar_9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
---Trav on 10/22/14


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/For me, it in no way has to do what I believe that saves me.\-aka on 10/22/14
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear, then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
1Co 1:21 ...it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Rom 10:13-14,1Co 1:18,15:11,Heb 4:2-6,1Ti 3:16
---micha9344 on 10/22/14


//Both of you seem to say...// Samuel

For me, it in no way has to do what I believe that saves me. It is jesus' grace alone.

However, I think that we all need to hear and take our proper place as best we can. It is not me but scripture that says many are called and a few are chosen. It also says that the path of destruction is wide and many find it.. and the narrow path to life is hard and those who find it are few.

I am not concerned about lost tribes, I am concerned about the lost sheep. I don't know what will happen to me come judgment but I do have faith that Jesus will properly define many and few.

For now, if you come to my home hungry and cold...I will give you a warm meal and blanket.
---aka on 10/22/14


Rita_H: //No priest or minister can forgive sins and should instruct the sinner to personally ask God for forgiveness. //

I would like to add to your comment.
Every offence or sin committed against a person is equally a sin against God(who created and sustains that person).
If the offender asks the person offended for forgiveness, he/she also has to ask God for forgiveness on that same issue.
---Adetunji on 10/22/14


Trav if they accepted JESUS then by your theology and mine GOD had to draw them to Him.
Where we disagree is that I believe GOD draws all people not just a select few.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/22/14

You are assuming they were drawn. Not in the question. But, the question leaves out much. Doctrine following, does not save. Knowing / reading that GOD draws...is no guarantee.
Did GOD arrange for this Bible in the villages language? Who would explain it to them? Etc.
GOD can draw whoever he wants to as GOD.
Why would i come on here and point to Israel's scriptures...if someone else was. No one else does. Pretty strange Christian site, in light of all Covenant's.
Wouldn't you agree?
Ecc_12:10
Rom_10:14
---Trav on 10/22/14


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Trav if they accepted JESUS then by your theology and mine GOD had to draw them to Him. So you are throwing in a false point. Where we disagree is that I believe GOD draws all people not just a select few.

Trav the statement said they adhere or follow what GOD says. So in that case what is your objection since they are following GOD.

Both of you seem to say that they must have a certain theology to be saved. When in fact we are saved by Grace alone and not by a correct theology.

Here I am the one who is often accused of saying we are saved by works and I an opposed for supporting Grace. That is ironic.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/22/14


Yes they have accepted JESUS as their Savior so they would be saved.

Agape ---Samuelbb7 on 10/21/14

man's doctrine says so, but Jesus said.

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you, depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

Remember what happened to the man who did not wear a wedding garment, but accepted the invitation anyway?
---aka on 10/21/14


Yes they have accepted JESUS as their Savior so they would be saved.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/21/14

The foundation stones are missing.
Doctrine does not save/redeem. Doctrine was not a husband or a sacrifice.
Men do not choose GOD. GOD draws the man.
Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Mat_6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
---Trav on 10/21/14


Yes they have accepted JESUS as their Savior so they would be saved.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/21/14


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Ruben " If you forgive anyone his SINS they are forgiven."

The only sins that man can forgive are those which were against us personally. Someone can say to us "Please forgive me" and then we should do so but if the sin was against God then only God can forgive. If someone asks a man to forgive a sin which was against God that man should tell the sinner to pray - asking God for forgiveness.

No priest or minister can forgive sins and should instruct the sinner to personally ask God for forgiveness.
---Rita_H on 10/19/14


If a whole village read the Bible and adhered to it's doctrines, then YES they would all go to heaven (biblically speaking) as they have all obeyed the greatest commandment of all to love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and in remaining in God's love have this assurance of salvation.
---sin on 10/19/14


NO, the bible can do NOTHING for the soul.



ONLY JESUS hung on the cross and has THE AUTHORITY to forgive sin. Neither is scripture a spiritual authority (it didn't hang on the cross. JESUS said that "ALL authority in heaven and on earth has been given to ME").
---faithforfaith on 10/17/14

1. If the bible does nothing for the soul, how would you know what Jesus is asking of us?

2. If Jesus is the only one who can forgive sins, then why does scripture tells us:

" Therefore confess your SINS to each other" (James 5:16)

"They praised God, who had given such AUTHORITHY to men." (Matthew 9:8)

" If you forgive anyone his SINS they are forgiven. (John 20:23)
---Ruben on 10/18/14


Gods word is holy and tells you how to get saved. It's Words are holy. A preacher who was trying to put me down ask me once if the bible was holy. I told him the words are holy but the paper is just something to burn. I told him that's why we are to hide the words in our heart.
---shira4368 on 10/17/14


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NO, the bible can do NOTHING for the soul.

The bible did not hang on the cross or provide God's Spirit to us or anyone.

ONLY JESUS hung on the cross and has THE AUTHORITY to forgive sin. Neither is scripture a spiritual authority (it didn't hang on the cross. JESUS said that "ALL authority in heaven and on earth has been given to ME").
---faithforfaith on 10/17/14


Sure, I would find it improbable due to verses like Acts 8 26-36. We are saved by grace not denominational churchs.
Steve what is and what is the purpose of a denomination?
---Scott1 on 10/14/14


//Interesting word...precept..//

interesting root "cept" latin - (to seize, take)

Jesus intercepted the deception of the perception that the Law was the complete reception of the 10 commandments. it was only the inception of His precept.

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments (v. 37 & 39) hang all the law and the prophets.

this law and it's fulfillment is open to those sheep with good perception1 and reception2.

Isa_35:5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened1, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped2.
---aka on 10/14/14


A missionary friend of mine related to me something like this did happen. The people of the village were seeking a different god because they knew the one they worshiped wasn't the answer. The witch doctor of that tribe had all of them worshiping a true God, but the didn't know anything about Him. A missionary, at the same time, had a vision of this tribe and that he should go. He was able to lead the whole tribe to Christ. To answer your question - NO. Just to follow the doctrines would do that tribe no good because you have to know Christ a personal Savior to be a Christian, but their searching for the correct God will give a Christian a vision to go to them and explain to them the correct method they must take.
---wivv on 10/14/14


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//If a person, not knowing denominational churches, found a bible, brought it back to his villiage and the whole villiage adhered to its doctrines, would the people of that villiage go to heaven or hell?//

Steven, all of you reading the Bible does not make any of you save. We are saved by Grace through faith. Why don't you get it? You keep mentioning denominations over and over. Are you not tired of condemnation them? Now you ask a very dumb question. Don't you know how sinful man is saved?

Don't you understand-"For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us (believers) who are being saved it is the power of God." (1 Cor. 1:18).
---Luke on 10/14/14


You can only go to Heaven
if you are born-again. So you can read the Bible all you like and try to do what it says but that is works which does not get anybody to Heaven.
---helen4633 on 10/13/14


Wait a minute...I think I've see this one. Does it also involve a spaceship?

If IFS and BUTs were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas...

I think I will let God figure this one out. I have enough trouble just loving God and loving others.

BTW, growing and controlling the church is Jesus business and He is pretty good at it.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/13/14


a precept can also be from a writ or warrant: 10 commandments.
---aka on 10/13/14

Interesting word...precept..
Isa_28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, .....
Isa_28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little, that they might go, fall backward, be broken, snared, and taken.
Isa_29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
---Trav on 10/13/14


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there are no doctrines in the bible, per se. There are precepts. The former is a man made set of rules or behavior established by man, the latter is a general rule intended to regulate behavior or thought:

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

a precept can also be from a writ or warrant: 10 commandments.
---aka on 10/13/14


Jesus saves, not the Bible.

Remember, the Pharisees knew the Scriptures, too, but did that save them?

And there's no such thing as a non-denominational Church. Not even your worldly one, Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 10/12/14


God is gracious. His mercy endures forever. They will be saved.
---learner2 on 10/12/14


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