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Is Jesus Made Up

How, as I grew up in a Christian family, do I know that the Lord is real and true? Is the Lord made up? One thing I know is that the Bible seems to either be too childish or about virginity.

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"First hand accounts are accepted as the most important by historians for events." Samuelbb7

But although the Gospel accounts were written later doesn't change the fact that they were "first hand," based on personal experience. Right?
---scott on 12/5/14


True Cluny.

But first hand accounts are accepted as the most important by historians for events.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/4/14


\\One of the objections to Christianity is that the gospels were written Decades after the death of JESUS\\

Some of the best books about wars or other important events are written several decades AFTERWARDS, though always based on contemporary records.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/14


One of the objections to Christianity is that the gospels were written Decades after the death of JESUS.

The problem is what is meant by decades.

There is no general agreement on when the Gospels were written. The book of Mark is accepted as the first one written by most. The letters of Paul seem to have been written before Luke and John. But conservatives say all the Gospel were written in a period from 10 to 40 years after the death of JESUS.

Those who oppose the Bible say it had to be latter. Why because a widespread belief in the resurrection of JEDUS could not have happened so soon.

But both admit that the Teaching about JESUS had to start very soon after his death.

There are books on this topic.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/3/14


Transgenderism (which I'm not) has nothing to do with 1 Cor 6:9, though I don't expect you to understand that, Trav.

And if I were a transgendered person, what is that to you?
---Cluny on 12/1/14

Well through the exercise, I'm sure you'll enlighten us in a year or two.
Date? An invitation was never extended...but, thanks for blessing me anyway.
Like an Onion, you post one layer at a time revealing. Looks like expected. Your more appreciated, and understood being cooked over the coals of rebuke.
Tit_1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,
Tit_2:15 These things speak, and exhort, rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
---Trav on 12/2/14




\\Clunity: Are you now masquerading under the pseudonym "Katie"?
---jerry6593 on 10/30/14

He may not deny it\\

I have never used the pseudonym Katie.

See, I clearly deny it.

Transgenderism (which I'm not) has nothing to do with 1 Cor 6:9, though I don't expect you to understand that, Trav.

And if I were a transgendered person, what is that to you?

I still have no intention of going out with you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/14


Micha, I was thinking of the Gospels, which were written decades after Jesus was on the earth.
---learner2 on 12/1/14


Clunity: Are you now masquerading under the pseudonym "Katie"?
---jerry6593 on 10/30/14

He may not deny it. He didn't deny being transgendered or full sails happy. With careful P.C. effeminate (un-orthodoc's) leanings he finally claimed to be male.

1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
---Trav on 12/1/14


/Have perhaps many layers of mythology been added to the Jesus story over years?\-learner2 on 12/1/14
Yes. Those outside biblical truth have an air of mythology.
Like Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, had kids, and DaVinci was a direct descendent thereof.
Other the other hand, Jesus dying, being buried, and rising on the third day is accurate according to over 500 witnesses at that time, many still being alive while the gospels and epistles were written and disseminated.
---micha9344 on 12/1/14


Have perhaps many layers of mythology been added to the Jesus story over years?
---learner2 on 12/1/14




Clunity: Are you now masquerading under the pseudonym "Katie"?


---jerry6593 on 10/30/14


And you think the Lord doesn't say that of YOU, jerry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/29/14


Katie: "One thing I know is that the Bible seems to either be too childish or about virginity."

It is obvious that you know very little about God or the Bible. In this, you seem very "childish". God says of you:

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


---jerry6593 on 10/22/14


Katie: Years age, I had felt the same way. It is hard to say exactly how and why I changed my mind on this, but as I considered things, I worked out that the statements of the Bible can be believed.

It is true that some people do not believe, but I would recommend you read over with the though of 'what if all of this is true'. My experience is that, if all the Bible is true, it is logical and also explains a lot of things in the world.

I also questioned the virgin birth, but now I see that if God was able to created the whole universe, He is also able to create an embryo in a virgin as well. It is mostly what we consider God able to do.
---Peter on 10/21/14


You write, "One thing I know is that the Bible seems to either be too childish or about virginity." Please explain your statement. I do not understand your statement. The Bible seems to me to be more advance reading and not likely to be picked up by a child except as mandated by others and most have not read the Bible cover to cover. If the Bible were childish, than perhaps more people would read it. To me it is MORE MEAT for chew than cream for babes. I do not think that virginity is a main subject of the Bible more of the books don't even address it. So I really don't understand your review of scripture. Of whether Jesus is real or not, we take it on faith. Believe God and live. Not trust God and the second death.
---Sin on 10/20/14


Katie, pray. God loves you and He will show you the way.
You will do better by praying than by asking advice on this site.
---learner2 on 10/15/14

Agree with L2 on prayer, disagree about learning on this site. Even bad answers are enlightening to that end. Job underscores this.

Would tell Katie, I was 40 years old and doubting as she is.
What eliminated all doubt is the fact that GOD placed two or more witness scriptures about any question she has. If searched with "whole heart", she will find truth. Use keyword search, on Biblegateway. for starters.
Psa_4:1 Hear me when I call, O God of my righteousness: thou hast enlarged me when I was in distress, have mercy upon me, hear my prayer.
---Trav on 10/20/14


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Jesus is mentioned by the Historian Josephus and many early attacks on him were about his ancestry, that he was false. But none that he did not exist.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/19/14


Aside from what is written about Jesus in the New Testament, there one very important earthly proof of his existance.

The Romans are very miticulous about keeping records even at the time of Christ. Three of the largest libraries in eastern Europe have documents written by the Roman courts that a Jesus did exist. Forty years ago, I saw a photocopy of a half a dozen of these pages having the name of a "Jesus" and the documents interpretations by scholars. What was written in the introduction to these documents showed that what was written in the documents coincided with the events in the bible.
---Steveng on 10/18/14


"How...do I know that the Lord is real and true?"
"The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament shows his handy work." Psa 19:1
"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power, so that [you] are without excuse, let God be true, but every man a liar." Rom 1:20>Rom 3:4
"Is the Lord made up?"
Jesus is Lord, Jesus is the Word, and "the word is near, even in your mouth, and in your heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach", and as He Himself said "you believe in God, believe also in Me. Phl 2:11>Rom 10:8>Jhn 14:1
---josef on 10/18/14


There some excellent books about Jesus being real and the proof for the Bible.

Yes there are many who attack it. But I used to not believe in GOD. But after studying both sides I came to believe in the Bible and in JESUS.

The Bible is about many things. But too many just read parts of it. Take time read the whole Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/16/14


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Katie, pray. God loves you and He will show you the way. You will do better by praying than by asking advice on this site.
---learner2 on 10/15/14


katie,

unfortunately, the bible is misused to control the behavior of others.

the bible is a love story between the true living God and His people. the Book that is not designed to control is full of very vile behavior...but it also full of very good guidelines. start by getting to know God's law (10 commandments) and Mat 22:37-10. to understand the new testament, get to know the law and prophets. it is difficult, but it will make the bible clearer.

about sexual behavior, please understand who you are, your limitations, and the possible ramifications (baby, disease, loss of contact with God)).

Galatians chapter five is a very good place to start.
---aka on 10/15/14


Take this from someone who grew up in a christian family. One of Satan's biggest lies is that when he cannot attack good fruit from a family, he attacks Jesus very existance because everything is built upon that. If Satan can remove that foundation it opens you up to question everything else you hold tight to.
---Scott1 on 10/15/14


Katie: Our great, great, grand parents are unknown to us but we believe they existed.
Likewise, know that God is real, human life started by HIS design and will, it will also end and be judged by Him.
I urge you to be on the good (obedient) side of God, you will enjoy the benefits sooner & later.
If you see a road sign, you believe it & it leads you right : that is the kind of faith you also need to apply to the Bible and you will not regret it.
---Adetunji on 10/15/14


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//One thing I know is that the Bible seems to either be too childish or about virginity.//
Be careful about calling the Bible childish that could lead to pride.
The purpose of the virgin birth is so that the sin of Adam would not be past down into Jesus such that he could be the perfect sacrifice.

Some reference and consequences to virgin birth
Gen 3:15, Isaiah 7:14, Matt 1:21-23, Hebrews Ch 7
Romans 5:19 - For as by the one man's (Adam, son of God, sinful) disobedience many were made sinners, so by the one man's (Jesus, son of God, sinless) obedience many will be made righteous
---Scott1 on 10/15/14


Katie, it is possible that you grew up in a church-going family rather than a Christian family. I did. The differences are enormous.

I think you would know more about the bible than the few words you share here if your parents had studied and lived by it.

Just begin a serious study (preferably with the help of a church). You can join bible study groups all over the place and there are serious (very good) online ones.
---Rita_H on 10/15/14


Katie: Read the Bible, from Genesis - Revelation, & ask Jesus to show you the truth. Trust Him like a little child trusting her father. Allow Him to teach you about Himself & in doing so you'll better understand yourself. In time, what once may have seemed to you to be a made up child's story (fairy tale) will blossom & unfold into beautiful, & a very real life, grown up adventure that leads to your going to be with & living with your Father in heaven forever.
---Leon on 10/14/14


Dear soul, you're not saying how old you are, but apparently you've not read the Bible very much.

We know Jesus is real by FAITH, not by experience, or feelings.

To paraphrase the Apostle, we walk by faith, and not by feelings.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/14/14


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