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What Is The Real Gospel

What is the Gospel: There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, three in one, the Trinity, All acting together in one accord, in harmony, peace and complete trust. PTL

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i can understand barbara's trepidation now.

barbara, find out who Gentiles are, and paul, apostle to the Gentiles, will make more sense.

he is in now way a proponent of replacement but picking up the pieces with ears. a reconciliation of Christ to his sheep. prune and graft where needed.
---aka on 11/5/14


Acts 3:21"Spoken since the world began"
Rom 16:25 "kept secret since the world began"
Same message? How can it be spoken and kept secret?
//Acts 2:36 you killed your messiah, //
Rom 5:6 ".. Christ died for the ungodly."
Same message?
Gospel of the kingdom
Acts 2:38 "repent and be baptized"
Gospel of grace
1 Thess 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,.."

Joh_18:36...My kingdom is not of this world..."
Acts 1:6 "..Lord, wilt thou at this time restore AGAIN the kingdom TO ISRAEL?
Different message, different messengers, different audience. The 12 to the nation of Israel. Paul to all nations.
---michael_e on 11/5/14


//Acts 2:36 you killed your messiah, // Act 9:4..Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

//Acts 2:38 "repent and be baptized"// Act 9:18..and arose, and was baptized.

Act 3:18..those things..God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer [cross, death], he hath so fulfilled [resurrection].

Rom 16:25 same message, different, vessel, different time

//Salvation according to the gospel of the kingdom meant deliverance from unrighteous rulers// Joh_18:36...My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews.."
---aka on 11/5/14


In scripture, there is no 'gospel of the cross.' There is no power in a cross.
---aka on 11/5/14

Good,good stuff. Had to look myself of course, as all should... you are exactly right.
Nothing like a little research to see how the paths of short titles, thoughts/doctrines of today and yesterday get started.
Seen the word Cross referenced 28 times with descriptive of the symbolism and fulfillment of scripture attached to it.
---Trav on 11/5/14


The real gospel is the truth that Jesus taught to His eyewitness disciples and sent them out to teach to all nations in Matt 28:18-20. The gospel of the kingdom is the words of Jesus Christ as given to Him by His Father, "all things that I have heard from my Father, I have made known unto you". When one understands the real gospel they will not be fooled by anyone who preaches another gospel.

It is thru abiding in the words of Jesus as taught by Him that the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth and understanding of the real gospel. It is the learning of this Truth that sanctifies us. John 14:23-31, John 17:17.
---barb on 11/5/14




1 Cor 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness,..."

//the 12 were ignorant of the gospel...// Although they saw Him, they preached the kingdom gospel. Acts 2:36 you killed your messiah, Acts 2:38 "repent and be baptized"
And Acts 3:19 "your sins may be blotted out, WHEN the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord."
The 12 preached
Acts 3:21 ".. spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began."
Paul preached
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
---michael_e on 11/5/14


//Pauls gospel is the preaching of the cross.1 Cor 15:1-4// Paul's gospel is the preaching of the risen christ.

//the 12 were ignorant of the gospel...//

v.5 AND that he was seen of Cephas (continue dividing.) v7-8 KJV After that...he was seen of...all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me.. 9 For I am the least of the apostles

the 12 had firsthand education of the gospel of the christ. read acts 4:10. sounds like 1 cor 15:4 to me.

//Nobody in Matthew-John was saved by the gospel of the cross//

You're right. the thief on the cross was saved by the gospel of christ (not cross), which is the power unto God. Rom1:16

In scripture, there is no 'gospel of the cross.' There is no power in a cross.
---aka on 11/5/14


Salvation according to the gospel of the kingdom meant deliverance from unrighteous rulers. Gods people, would be ruled by Gods Messiah in obedient Israel.
The gospel of the kingdom required no knowledge of the cross of Christ.
Pauls gospel is the preaching of the cross.
1 Cor 15:1-4

The 12 were ignorant of the gospel of the cross. Yet, the preaching of the cross is the power of God unto salvation for the church today.
Nobody in Matthew-John was saved by the gospel of the cross, the only gospel that brings salvation today.
Gospel like all scripture needs rightly divided
God isn't bringing his kingdom to Israel today, but he is ministering the good news of Christ crucified and resurrected.
---michael_e on 11/4/14


The Jews believed the Gospel of the Kingdom was that the Messiah would rule on earth and set them in charge. But they were wrong.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is that through His death and Resurrection the Kingdom would be established in the hearts of all who believe in JESUS.

So the gospel of Paul and JESUS is the same Gospel. Just Paul adds more details.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/4/14


//The gospel of the kingdom and Pauls gospel are DIFFERENT messages..No intelligent student of the Scriptures believes, or teaches, that there is only one gospel in the Scriptures.// ---michael_e

//from the beginning, there was only one gospel revealed in due time.-aka ..Very good, so what did the 12 preach?
---michael_e on 11/3/14

You know Jesus taught the gospel of the kingdom. so, what i want to know do you believe there are different gospels (two or more and not including false gospels) or there is only one gospel from the beginning (nothing replaced but revealed)?
---aka on 11/4/14




michael_e, aka : //Very good, so what did the 12 preach?//

Matthew 10:7 the kingdom of God is at hand (repent Matt.4:17),

10:27 all that the Lord has taught the disciples up to that point(everything in Sermon on the Mount & more),

10:38 to follow Jesus.
---Adetunji on 11/4/14


//from the beginning, there was only one gospel revealed in due time.
---aka on 11/3/14//
Very good, so what did the 12 preach?
---michael_e on 11/3/14


Since the 12 didn't know Paul's gospel(1 Cor 15:1-4)
What were they preaching?
---michael_e on 11/3/14

Rom_16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

my gospel - the part of the gospel revealed to paul (that which was not understood) plus the preaching of jesus christ (law and the prophets that could be understood) of according to proper revelation...secrets since the beginning.

from the beginning, there was only one gospel revealed in due time.
---aka on 11/3/14


No intelligent student of the Scriptures believes, or teaches, that there is only one gospel in the Scriptures.
---michael_e on 11/1/14

Might put some context to that.
Gal_1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Mic_7:20 Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.
Luk_1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Luk 1:80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.
Isa_49:6 And he said, It is a light thing ...
Isa 49:8...
---Trav on 11/3/14


... I have preached the gospel many hundreds of times?
Is this a boast, as you say, or a statistic, as I see it? Envy does not become you!
---Warwick on 10/29/14

Ahhhhhh. A statistic...but, a meaningless one. A con sale tool (no proof). What is it's value, this statistic (when desperate) for credibility. It answers, or equals nothing, except in scripture. In this you succeed.

2Co_10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
---Trav on 11/3/14


Since the 12 didn't know Paul's gospel(1 Cor 15:1-4)
What were they preaching?
---michael_e on 11/3/14


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Rita, King james went thru a lot to make the bible available in mass. No he didn't do it alone. He had many helping him. I can't remember how many but they were many middle eastern scholars who knew Greek and Hebrew. I read it several times but my memory isn't as good as it use to be. I know King james did it in secret or he would have been dead.
---shira4368 on 11/3/14


//Since Christ had not died yet, Christ and the 12 were preaching a different gospel (good news)//

Michael e, when someone says, "that is gospel" it only means it is part of the gospel. God begin to introduce the gospel (Redemption) in Gen. 3:15) it was the first introduction of the gospel. God then begin to reveal more and more parts of the gospel all through history. But it is the same gospel. The good news. During Jesus time, more of the gospel was introduce. After His death and resurrection, more of the gospel is given to us. It closes with Revelation. But there is only one gospel that Jesus and the Apostles taught.
---Luke on 11/3/14


"It was at least approved by a king." I wonder how much that version of the bible the king actually read and if he read it did he understand it and believe it and LIVE BY IT'S TEACHINGS? if not, did he just want one with his name attached?

Having the kings name on the cover does not impress me one bit regarding it validity or lack of.

The approval of the King of Kings is what it required.
---Rita_H on 11/2/14


Except there is no trinity , it simply is not biblical to use that terminology, use as near as possible bible to the king james 1611 which is not altogether an exact translation either but is less controversial to use and was at least approved by a king.
---Carla on 11/2/14


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//The Disciples did not know it all when they started preaching//
What were they preaching?

Since Christ had not died yet, Christ and the 12 were preaching a different gospel (good news)
Peter offered the baptismal remission of sins through repentance (Acts 2:38) Peter says their sins will be blotted out at the future times of refreshing. No offer of salvation unconditional or free, but accompanied with baptisms and repentance.
Paul preaches the cross according to the revelation of the mystery not revealed or known to Peter (Rom 16:25, Eph 3:4). Paul preaches salvation to a man who worketh not, receives atonement immediately, and is separate from the message of baptism taught by John the Baptist (Rom 4:5, Rom 5:11, 1 Cor 1:17).
---michael_e on 11/2/14


One gospel:

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

It is Christ's Kingdom and he has come, has accomplished eternal redemption. Without the eternal redemption none of us would enter into the Kingdom.
---trey on 11/2/14


Yes we are to act intelligently but also prayerfully and go to the Bible for our doctrine. Not bring our doctrines to the Bible and then find ways to support them.

There is only one Gospel but it has different facets. It is based on that JESUS died for us and rose again from the dead so we can be Born Again into the Kingdom of GOD.

The Disciples did not know it all when they started preaching. But we who have the Whole Bible should be able to understand it.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/2/14


Keep in mind that intelligence does not necessarily guarantee accuracy.
---learner2 on 11/1/14


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Intelligent students of Scripture hear facts before making interpretations
The facts are, there is more than one gospel (good news) in the Bible.
An example, the gospel Paul preached includes Christ dying for our sins, his burial, and resurrection. 1 Cor 15:1-4
Christ sent his disciples to preach the gospel of the kingdom. Luke 9:1-6
The twelve didn't understand the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ while preaching the gospel of the kingdom. Luke 18:31-34
Based on facts: The gospel of the kingdom and Pauls gospel are different messages.
Intelligent Bible study collects facts first.
No intelligent student of the Scriptures believes, or teaches, that there is only one gospel in the Scriptures.
---michael_e on 11/1/14


Trav, why does it bother you that I have preached the gospel many hundreds of times? Is this a boast, as you say, or a statistic, as I see it? Envy does not become you!

You wrote "Should have saved the blog where you boasted participating with the JW's...." I am not sure what "participating with the JW's" means but I have never been to a Kingdom Hall, and have never been a member. You are in error, so be a man and admit it.
---Warwick on 10/29/14


You wrote "Let's see, you claim to be a sky pilot pastor, ...
And I have never been a JW.
I have consistently told the truth about the WTS:
---Warwick on 10/28/14

Confused? When you admit you can't understand you appear the confused one.
So, by straining at gnats you are winning the (JW's)over. Its obviously working well since your 2010 posts. The Blind demonstrating how to beat up the blind. They feel your concern it's apparent.
Sky pilot/preacher: You boasted preaching over 600 times. (wasted hours, if even true)
Should have saved the blog where you boasted participating with the JW's. (wasn't important then though, still isn't)
---Trav on 10/29/14


Trav, you are becoming even more confused, and confusing. You wrote "Let's see, you claim to be a sky pilot pastor, (whatever that means, and I have never claimed to be so.)yet you attack your former JW church brutha's..." And I have never been a JW.

I have consistently told the truth about the WTS: Let me be clear it is a dangerous cult which divides families for the sake of control. They dominate their slaves, controlling their lives, and indoctrinate them to the point they cannot think independently beyond what the WTS force-feeds them.

Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"
---Warwick on 10/28/14


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StrongAxe, I appreciate your reply and understand what you mean.
---Warwick on 10/28/14


Warwick:

I prefer not to quote things like this from memory, lest I accidentally do the same thing. Unfortunately, the posts scroll off the blogs so quickly that that it's hard to find anything more than a few days old. Plus, this week I seem to have the flu, so if I don't have enough energy to put in a full day at work, I certainly don't have enough to attempt deep search engine research. But I'll keep the question in mind for later.
---StrongAxe on 10/28/14


StrongAxe, thank you for your reply however you still haven't answered my question which was a 'Please give some examples of "ad-hominem attacks" etc.' That is, can you supply a few quotes of what you are referring to?
---Warwick on 10/28/14


I ask again: "Please give some examples of "ad-hominem attacks" etc.
---Warwick on 10/27/14

Here's a little cheese to go with your french jw, "whine".

A few of probably hundreds, pre-cha.

Trav.elected yourself Cliff's little attack spider. (wwk..when caught in his own web)
WTS and its dupes misuse
they say birds of a feather flock together: Morenz is a Bibliosceptic

Cliff, "not so enthusiastic about answering, are you?

Cliff,You have always been this way"

Scott, the WTS and its dupes misquote people in their endeavours"

Scott..."Scripture is not your ultimate authority."

Scott.You are exposed as a sleight-of-hand merchant
---Trav on 10/28/14


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Warwick:

You said: Do you notice: I have, as always answered your question but have not had the same courtesy from you, I ask again: "Please give some examples of "ad-hominem attacks" etc.

Again, I was referring to some people here who stoop to such measures, not you. I don't always answer all questions because of the posting limit (if I answer one question in a blog, I can't reply to another for a while), or because my schedule doesn't permit me to answer messages every day.
---StrongAxe on 10/28/14


StrongAxe, another blogger who contacted me offline brought my attention to an original instance where a thread (where we had both been blogging) had closed, but the next day there were 3-4 new blogs from either David or Scott, the JW's. Having been alerted to this I began to keep my eye upon any blogs with which they were involved. Now and again the same thing would occur.

To me this says these two JW's have either found a way to manipulate the system or the moderators or a moderator had given them this advantage.

Do you notice: I have, as always answered your question but have not had the same courtesy from you, I ask again: "Please give some examples of "ad-hominem attacks" etc.
---Warwick on 10/27/14


Warwick:

I have never noticed any blogs going over 75 posts. Can you show any examples?

I wasn't referring to you specifically. I've just noticed that people on here (including some with whom I frequently agree), who frequently use sarcasm and ad-hominem attacks, are more likely to have posts deleted (possibly because of those very things).
---StrongAxe on 10/27/14


StrongAxe, it appears my attach (see the h?)sheep humour was wasted on you!

I do not know what leanings the moderators have however I have noticed the JW's often get 4 blogs in a row posted and as others have commented, even after the individual blog has reached the 75 limit. This is an observed reality, have you not noticed?

You wrote "Perhaps because I stick to facts, rather than emotional rhetoric, sarcasm, and ad-hominem attacks, like some here do." Please give some examples of "ad-hominem attacks" etc.

---Warwick on 10/27/14


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Warwick:

You said: Cliff, the moderators of this site appear to have JW leanings. I like you, and others regularly have trouble getting blogs posted...

Really? Moderator comments seem much more like evangelicals, and I frequently challenge JW scriptural revisionism and almost never have posts rejected. Perhaps because I stick to facts, rather than emotional rhetoric, sarcasm, and ad-hominem attacks, like some here do.

Attack sheep? Really?
---StrongAxe on 10/27/14


Cliff, the moderators of this site appear to have JW leanings. I like you, and others regularly have trouble getting blogs posted ...
---Warwick on 10/26/14

Let's see, you claim to be a sky pilot pastor, yet you attack your former JW church brutha's that you loved. Your hand gracefully extends with a cup of acid logic for them (or all) to drink of.
To convert and draw them to your newest found position of (apparent)deeper ignorance and avoidance of scripture. To them your even more wrong leaving them.
You seem just a more confused, bitter ex JW, funda beachcomber.
Hmmmm. These JW's search the scriptures.
Psa 94:14 For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.
---Trav on 10/27/14


Trav, you should be careful there may be a speckled attach sheep searching for you now. You won't recognize it as they disguise themselves as wolves.
---Warwick on 10/24/14

Ha. Recognized you across an ocean early, in both costumes.
I Fear only the GOD of Israel.
It is impossible to fear any self promoters. Scripture chases and eats these dingos.
Chastising, to the main thing. You cut and eat sheep (Cliff) while they are living. What kind of preacha/teacha, herds sheep with a knife? Signs/marks.

Psa_94:10 He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?

Your question? Lacks scripture, an open ended diversion tactic, sustains nothing except you.
---Trav on 10/27/14


Cliff, the moderators of this site appear to have JW leanings. I like you, and others regularly have trouble getting blogs posted while JW's Scott and David are able to get as many as 5 blogs in a row posted, even after the 75 limit has been reached. In all the time I have blogged here I have never seen anyone else get such special treatment.

However you still have not answered the question I asked in my blog of 22 October: In the context of your question I asked "Alan Turing is considered by many to be the Father of modern computer science. What does that mean?"
---Warwick on 10/26/14


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Warwick, It appears as though I don't answer when my answers are not published.
I am not of the majority opinion so not all things are acceptable to fundamentalists !
I try to answer all questions ,I have nothing to hide !
---1stcliff on 10/26/14


.... they also preach about how to get there.

Seek first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness.
---Steveng on 10/20/14


Yes they do.
Isa 51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law, fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.
Isa 51:8 For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to generation.
Isa 51:9 Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD, ...
---Trav on 10/25/14


Trav, you should be careful there may be a speckled attach sheep searching for you now. You won't recognize it as they disguise themselves as wolves.

Seeing you have elected yourself Cliff's little attack spider maybe you can answer my question to him? He seems reluctant/unable to do so. I think he is a serial question asker but somewhat challenged when asked a question!
---Warwick on 10/24/14


Cliff,
You have always been this way.
---Warwick on 10/23/14

Ha. Cliff, ever noted that Sheep don't bark, bite or howl? It's because there is no such thing as an "Attack Sheep".

Ecc_10:1 Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour. (and or legends in their own mind)

Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Jer_3:15 I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Jer_23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD
---Trav on 10/24/14


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Cliff, you are an enthusiastic question asker but not so enthusiastic about answering, are you?

You have always been this way.
---Warwick on 10/23/14


Cliff, in what context do you ask this question? That is which of my blogs are you referring to?

Are you perhaps referring to the custom I alluded to in Hebrew and in Arabic thought where he who possesses a thing is called the father of it. Thus the father of strength means strong?

Alan Turing is considered by many to be the Father of modern computer science. What does that mean?
---Warwick on 10/22/14


Warwick, If the "father" doesn't actually mean father as we know it (sire) Then does "Son" not actually mean son?
Explain
---1stcliff on 10/22/14


Trav has confirmed that it is a dysangel, ...
---learner2 on 10/20/14

Slur these...learner.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, the ordinances of the moon and of stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar, LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD, If heaven above can be measured, the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
Exo_32:13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants,...
---Trav on 10/21/14


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Trav has confirmed that it is a dysangel, not an evangel, since the vast majority of humanity will be excluded.
---learner2 on 10/20/14

Only GOD's prophets confirm. Sands of the sea is a lot of sand. Stars in the heavens, lotta stars.
Note-worthy, more especially here, the most scripturally mentioned names are avoided, in conversation. (2576 times, one in particular)
Zec_8:13 it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel, so will I save you, ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
Hab 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.
---Trav on 10/21/14


If you have cancer that is bad news. All humans are going to die and face judgment before GOD. That is Bad news.

The good news is that GOD has provided a way to gain eternal life. That through the death of JESUS CHRIST we can be forgiven of our sins. That through His resurrection we can have eternal life.

So the Gospel is not bad news. Life gives us the bad news. The Gospel of Salvation by Grace is the good news.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/21/14


Warwick:

You said: As my studies show "Everlasting Father" does not mean He is the Father, the first person of the Godhead but that He is eternal and father of everlasting (eternity) and author of eternal life.

You and Lawrence should talk about this, then. He is totally convinced that Jesus is God the Father, keeps repeating it ad nauseam, and refuses to listen to any arguments to the contrary. It's probably because of this one verse. I've often warned about the dangers of building a fundamental dogma based on a single scriptural verse mentioned in passing.
---StrongAxe on 10/21/14


\\As my studies show "Everlasting Father" does not mean He is the Father, the first person of the Godhead but that He is eternal and father of everlasting (eternity) and author of eternal life\\

LXX renders it "Father of the Age to Come."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/21/14


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"Leon, unfortunately, the Gospel as it is preached by most preachers is bad news for the great bulk of humanity, which dislikes their manipulative approach."
---learner2 on 10/20/14


I hear what you're saying Learner2 in that a great many preachers aren't teaching the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Nonetheless, the Gospel is Good News to souls who diligently seek after it & have ears to hear, & hearts to receive it. :) (Romans 1:16)
---Leon on 10/21/14


StrongAxe, it is not that He would be called by these names by men but that these names are Him, describe Him, His nature, and His conduct. He is Wonderful, He is Councellor, He is Mighty God, He is Everlasting Father, and He is Prince of Peace. He is all these things.

As my studies show "Everlasting Father" does not mean He is the Father, the first person of the Godhead but that He is eternal and father of everlasting (eternity) and author of eternal life. Father of eternity here follows a custom usual in Hebrew and in Arabic, where he who possesses a thing is called the father of it. Thus the father of strength means strong, .
---Warwick on 10/21/14


scott:

You wrote: As students of God's word, Witnesses (of course) believe every verse that you have posted.

More specifically: witnesses believe The Watchtower's interpretation of every verse. After all, if anyone interprets any verses himself, without the Watchtower's oversight, he's likely to get it wrong. There's no room for independent thought or criticism.
---StrongAxe on 10/20/14


The gospel, or the good news, is good indeed. The gospel is simply the soon to come Kingdom of God. Jesus preached it. The apostles preached it. Nothing more. It was preached in the OT and the NT.

Now, even though Jesus and the apostles preached the coming of God's kingdom they also preach about how to get there.

Seek first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness.

Mark 1:14, 15
Mark 4:11
Mark 9:1
Luke 4:43
Luke 9:2, 11, 27, 60
Luke 16:16
Acts 8:12
Acts 19:8
Acts 20:25
>Acts 28:23, 31
Romans 14:17
---Steveng on 10/20/14


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Leon, unfortunately, the Gospel as it is preached by most preachers is bad news for the great bulk of humanity, which dislikes their manipulative approach.
---learner2 on 10/20/14


"The gospel contains more bad news than good so it is really misnamed.
---learner2 on 10/19/14

Trav has confirmed that it is a dysangel, not an evangel, since the vast majority of humanity will be excluded."
---learner2 on 10/20/14


What you've said is an oxymoron Learner2 since Gospel means "Good News" purely devoid of anything else. Also, only God knows the hearts & number of people who will be saved & who will be damned (excluded).
---Leon on 10/20/14


What is the Gospel? The word "GOSPEL" means "GOOD NEWS". The Good News has to do with the forgiveness of sin and the offer of eternal life. As the statement goes: FIRST THE BAD NEWS. The Bad news is sin and death. Then comes the good news (through Christ Jesus).
---sin on 10/20/14


Trav has confirmed that it is a dysangel, not an evangel, since the vast majority of humanity will be excluded.
---learner2 on 10/20/14


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"JW do not believe this..." Samuelbb7

Don't believe what?

As students of God's word, Witnesses (of course) believe every verse that you have posted.
---scott on 10/20/14


True asserts. Only 1 person. Mat.28 v 19, John 10 v 30, 14 vs 8 9, 20 vs 27 28, Gal.3 v 17, Eph.3 v 9, 1Thes.1 v 18, Colo.2 v 9, Rev.22 v 13.
Many are as scripture says, willingly ignorant, & don't want to understand, even some may understand & then will reject it, for the crowds and for filthy lucre sake. Matt.7 v 13, many.

Again only 1 person, Jesus Christ.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 10/20/14


The trinity is not the gospel that is just the language we use to describe God. This trinity stuff is not that important if you do not know the gospel.

The gospel is the belief that to obtain righteousness (a correct relationship with God). An innocent non-sinful blood sacrifice (a death) needs to replace our sinful, stained lives, to restore our relationship with God. Look up John 3:16, google search the Roman road. We believe that Jesus is that person. So we put our faith and trust in him for his redeeming work in us. If you believe this we can then try to understand the trinity which people for 2000 years have been arguing and debating, not to be discourging but will not be settled over a short blog post.
---Scott1 on 10/20/14


Even the oness people recognize the Father as GOD. The Bible uses Father, Son and Holy Ghost many times.

Mat 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father, neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Matthew 16:27, Mark 13:32, Luke 10,22, John 3:35, 5:19-21,

Jhn 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

JW do not believe this and Onenes think two are one person.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/20/14


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//The gospel contains more bad news than good so it is really misnamed.//
Where is the bad news?
1 Cor 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you THE GOSPEL which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 10/20/14


The gospel contains more bad news than good so it is really misnamed.
---learner2 on 10/19/14

To those "put away" who had no hope it isn't.

Gal_1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal_1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Isa_29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
Isa_43:8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
---Trav on 10/20/14


StrongAxe: Your unbelief is clearly manifested in your last comment to Warwick.
You said, Isaiah prophesied the words of Isaiah 9:6 but it doesn't mean the appellations of the Messiah are true! !!!!!!
Whose words did Isaiah echoed?
Who do you say spoke those names to him?!
---Adetunji on 10/20/14


The WORD OF TRUTH is what we READ, and the "WORD OF GOD" hung on the cross.

Eph 1:13 who have heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

The only "gospel" that we SPIRIT-FILLED worshipers should recognize as being significant to our devotion is the gospel of OUR SALVATION (our "ETERNAL" LIFE is SEALED by having God's Spirit available to us.
The Jews didn't have the ETERNAL Spirit).

WE "SPIRIT-FILLED" Jesus worshipers (the Jews only accepted the blood of "MESSIAH", they did not accept also THE SPIRIT).
Hebrews 9:14 "eternal spirit" (from the "doctrine of Christ").
---faithforfaith on 10/20/14


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"God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit"
does not appear in the bible!
---1stcliff on 10/19/14

where does the Archangel Michael called Jesus appear in the Bible?

if you can extract that from various verses in the Bible, than so can others extract the above.
---aka on 10/20/14


Warwick:

To split hairs, Isaiah doesn't say the messiah would be "wonderful councellor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the prince of peace". He says the messiah would be CALLED these things, which does not necessarily assert that these are necessarily true. The fact that Jesus has been called these things fulfills this prophecy, regardless of whether he actually IS any of those things. So one cannot use this verse to prove that Jesus is the Father (as Lawrence continually asserts).
---StrongAxe on 10/20/14


No such a thing.
Again, again, again (here's your 3). Still digging in the trinity pit of deceiving literature trying to prove that which is Not. You would even try to say that the 3 persons godhead are playing musical throne. When the angels stop playing music, 1 of the 3 persons will get to sit on the throne n rule for the day. Then tomorrow will be another.
So deceiving.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 10/20/14


==Neither is the, 3 persons godhead found in scriptures.==

Yes, it is TOO found in scriptures.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/19/14


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Neither is the, 3 persons godhead found in scriptures. Jesus Is the only person that God The Father dwelt in. Col.2 v 9. God The Father came to earth in a robe of flesh.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 10/19/14


The gospel contains more bad news than good so it is really misnamed.
---learner2 on 10/19/14


Cliff, you are technically correct but Scripture is so clear that even the Bibliosceptic Morenz wrote "In order to avoid any gross misunderstanding, we must at once emphasize that the substance of the Christian Trinity is of course Biblical: Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The three are mentioned alongside one another in the New Testament..."

As regards Jesus JW's claim He is but "a god' as per their mistranslation of John 1:1. However Isaiah 9:6 without any doubt calls the coming Messiah "the Mighty God" Hebrew "el gibbowr." And in Isaiah 10:21 Jehovah is also called "the Mighty God" using the exact same Hebrew "el gibbowr"- 1 and the same God, numbers 1 and 2 of the Trinity.
---Warwick on 10/19/14


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