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Liberals Versus Christianity

How come Liberals don't mind any attacks on Christianity, but mind if other religions are attacked?

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"It's just as Leon said...'liberals are vile'.
Their deceitful double standards is just one of their many evils.
---Haz27 on 11/5/14"

Haz: You're a liar!

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
(John 8:44)
---Leon on 11/6/14


Remember that social conservatism is NOT the same thing as Christianity.
---Cluny on 11/6/14

By past Christian values it may well be.
The Bible through Israel history of suffering and punishment...shows a steady degrading liberated thought choice process, such as you defend.
You claim to be a follower of the Last Adam...but, with hand picked liberated ideals of "today".
Which are historically the "failure" stories of Israel.
And will continue to be.
1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
---Trav on 11/6/14


Liberal and conservative are not cut and dried terms. They are actually rather fluid. As my HS history teacher said, "Yesterday's liberal is tomorrow's conservative."

There was a time when the 8 hour work day, abolition of slavery, equal civil rights for racial minorities, votes for women, and even women managing and owning their own property were considered liberal ideas--in some cases, dangerously so.

Remember that social conservatism is NOT the same thing as Christianity.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/6/14


I read a quote about liberals recently, and their desperate drive to prove how caring they are.

"If you are trying to prove your heart is in the right place - it isn't."



---jerry6593 on 11/6/14


This topic deals with one of the many evils of liberals. Their deceitful double standards.

Liberals are always eager to attack the moral standards of Christianity. Yet they remain silent about other religions, especially Islam which liberals often act as apologists for.

Islam is known for seeing women as second class citizens and for their brutal opposition to same gender relationships. Yet liberals remain silent, avoiding any criticism of Islam on such issues.

It's just as Leon said..."liberals are vile".
Their deceitful double standards is just one of their many evils.
---Haz27 on 11/5/14




Leon, you said, liberals are indeed vile. The Democrat party is the party of immorality.

Whilst both sides of politics are flawed, I see the liberals as the far greater evil. Hence I agree with your claim above.

But can you explain why you claim liberals are vile yet you attack us who say similar to what you say?

BTW, just a reminder that I don't hear anything from Rush here in Australia. I only just heard of him a couple of days ago on this blog.
---Haz27 on 11/5/14


...And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth..." 2 Timothy 3, NKJB
---Leon on 11/5/14

Hey Leon...Welcome, see you brought your own steak. Good stuff. Your post describes todays liberal left for sure. That first sentence up there caught my eye.
Kinda supports this scripture.
Mat_10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
---Trav on 11/5/14


"...know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth..." 2 Timothy 3, NKJB
---Leon on 11/5/14


Travesty: ...you... "Hazard" make... guzzle down your poisoned Kool Aide...then belly ache, blame(falsely accuse)others for your folly. Incredible!!!
---Leon on 11/4/14

Mmmmm,mmmm, Haz's taste great "Kool Aid". Sorry it "liberated" your lovely disposition. Be a folly good fellow. Take a couple of scriptures and call in the morning.
1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Isa_49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.
---Trav on 11/5/14


"learner2. Another book by Tammy Bruce that I suggest to read is 'The death of right and wrong. Exposing The Left's assault on our culture and values'

I read that Rush Limbaugh would call Tammy Bruce a liberal who got mugged by reality. And that seems to be the case as Tammy had much experience from working as an activist for the Left, but then finally saw reality."
---Haz27 on 11/4/14


Hazard: You'd do well to immerse yourself into reading the Gospel of Jesus Christ instead of wallowing in the unwholesome rants (gossip mongering) of Flush Limbaugh & his unholy ilk. ijs
---Leon on 11/5/14




I often see liberal Christians remaining silent when asked about immoral issues that the Left are well known for.
---Haz27 on 11/4/14

I'm less convinced one can be both in these days, as per your question asked.
In ignorance? Perhaps to some degree.
A seeking preacher told me one time, Israel were called sheep, so we find that "Lost Sheep" Christians will be. Sheep will be sheep. Sheepish. Sheepy. Wooly. Lost, straying, fleeced, led by Goats and Wolves at times. Slaughtered.
Psa_44:22 Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long, we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom_8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long, we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
---Trav on 11/5/14


learner2. Another book by Tammy Bruce that I suggest to read is "The death of right and wrong. Exposing The Left's assault on our culture and values"

I read that Rush Limbaugh would call Tammy Bruce a liberal who got mugged by reality. And that seems to be the case as Tammy had much experience from working as an activist for the Left, but then finally saw reality.
---Haz27 on 11/4/14


Hi Trav. Yes, I agree that not making a stand is just like making a stand. I often see liberal Christians remaining silent when asked about immoral issues that the Left are well known for.

We can only conclude from their silence that liberal Christians are willfully blind to the Left's atrocities. There seems to be some emotional attachment they have to the Left that has such a hold of them that they refuse to make a stand against its many evils.

There's a saying that a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. So regardless of all the evidence of the evils of the Left, your average liberal will remain silent because of their emotional attachment to it.
---Haz27 on 11/4/14


"Do you support the Left's view on same gender marriage, abortion, feminist agenda except for women under Islam?
---Haz27 on 11/3/14

...You[r] thinking is [h]azardous to liberal left[ies]. May not always be their fault...Some are products of the P.C. family, school or "unorthodox" Churches of today. [?!] Some will figure it out...some won't. Would liked to have seen a stand by learner on your question...Sometimes, no stand reveals the stand... we'll see." [???]
---Trav on 11/4/14


Travesty: It's always interesting, blind people like you & "Hazard" make & guzzle down your poisoned Kool Aide & then belly ache, & blame (falsely accuse) others for your folly. Incredible!!! :)
---Leon on 11/4/14


Do you support the Left's view on same gender marriage, abortion, feminist agenda except for women under Islam?
---Haz27 on 11/3/14

Good to hear you on here Haz. You thinking is Haz-ardous to liberal leftys. May not always be their fault it seems sometimes. Some are products of the P.C. family, school or "un-orthodox" Churches of today.
Some will figure it out...some won't.
Would liked to have seen a stand by learner on your question above though. Sometimes, no stand reveals the stand. Perhaps we'll see.
---Trav on 11/4/14


Haz, I have no idea... Who are these leftist bullies? Who are bigger bullies than Rush Limbaugh?
One cannot be a Christian and promote any sort of violence.
---learner2 on 11/3/14

Promote violence?? R ya against defense?
Who are leftist bullies? Really?(i'll call them buffies)since they are neither men or women.
Do you not have a T.V.? Rush Limbaugh is an idiot but, at least he's a male conservative idiot, rather than, effeminate who seem to be dominating, (what an irony) the networks/churches these days.

1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
---Trav on 11/4/14


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Hi Leon. I see you still haven't changed a bit with your characteristic aggressive rants.

I hadn't commented on your posts as I have limited time for forums hence I only had time to respond to learner2 whose style of debate is much more civilized than your style.

No doubt we'll bump into each other again on another topic :)
---Haz27 on 11/4/14


Haz, I'm sorry, but I do not know who Tammy Bruce is. In any case, I understand what you have said. I wish you all the best and God's blessings.
---learner2 on 11/3/14


"Haz, okay, and since you live in Australia I wouldn't know any of the people you might mention anyway. You don't know what's going on with me and I don't know what's going on with you. So we should just not have tried to have a conversation on this topic.I am not as liberal as you believe, in every area of my thinking. What is most important is that we are both Christian. Christians can be of just about any political persuasion."
---learner2 on 11/3/14


To keep what you just said from falling upon deaf ears, I'd just like to say EXCELLENT, WELL DONE LEARNER!
---Leon on 11/3/14


learner2. Tammy Bruce, who I mentioned to you before, is a leftist activist in the USA. She has written about the Left's dominance of media debate/thought.

There are many similarities with USA, Australia and Europe. Whilst there is some media with a conservative bias (Fox) its obvious that the majority of the media push Leftist bias. Hence why we see so much of the tyranny of political correctness.

Leftist Tammy Bruce in USA recognized this and called for equal, fair debate. Her leftist mates attacked her for exposing their dominance of media debate/thought.

Yet the liberals still deceitfully deny both here and in USA that they dominate the media.
---Haz27 on 11/3/14


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Haz, okay, and since you live in Australia I wouldn't know any of the people you might mention anyway. You don't know what's going on with me and I don't know what's going on with you. So we should just not have tried to have a conversation on this topic.I am not as liberal as you believe, in every area of my thinking. What is most important is that we are both Christian. Christians can be of just about any political persuasion.
---learner2 on 11/3/14


Learner2, you remind of my liberal friend. He too conveniently fails to see the deceit and PC bullying of the Left. And when I raise the facts about the Left's stance on abortion, etc, he quickly diverts debate away from it.

We all know the PC issues the Left always abuses opponents on. The Left are known for hijacking words to deceitfully bully opponents into silence.

I don't know Rush as I'm in Australia. But it's clear you have already decided he is a bully whilst you conveniently ignore the many leftist bullies. I suggest you read "The New Thought Police" by liberal activist Tammy Bruce.

Do you support the Left's view on same gender marriage, abortion, feminist agenda except for women under Islam?
---Haz27 on 11/3/14


"Haz, I have no idea what you are talking about. Who are these leftist bullies?... --learner2 on 11/3/14

Learner: For the most part I agree with your recent comments to Hazard, except those about the POTUS being a warmonger. He has been deliberately slow & measured in engaging our enemies on the battlefield. I, for one (retired U.S. military), certainly appreciate his levelheadedness.

Just war is vitally necessary for the overall well-being (good) of bullied (oppressed) people who're threatened with imminently assured destruction, i.e., genocide. The Bible supports just wars.

War today is "HELL FIRE" that MUST be 100% controlled or else it with overtake, engulf & destroy us all.
---Leon on 11/3/14


Haz, I have no idea what you are talking about. Who are these leftist bullies? Who are bigger bullies than Rush Limbaugh? Nobody speaks for me, I speak for myself. Our current president has become as bad a warmonger as the president who came before him. People who promote wars are the worst people. One cannot be a Christian and promote any sort of violence.
---learner2 on 11/3/14


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"...you claim not to be like the leftist bullies that speak on your behalf...why [do] liberals like [you]... support...[liberal] immoral cause? Clearly [?] your liberal view is irrelevant to your abusive liberal media spokespersons[.] Christian liberals...usually try to redirect debate away from the Left's many atrocities... even deceive themselves... in spite of the evidence...
Just curious whether you support the Left's view on same gender marriage, abortion, feminist agenda except for women under Islam?"
---Haz27 on 11/3/14


Hazzard: Do you hear Yourself? "If" you're a Christian, why are you so aggressive? GROW UP!!! Who's bullying who here?
---Leon on 11/3/14


learner2, I noticed leon's post, after I posted my reply.

Although you claim not to be like the leftist bullies that speak on your behalf, one wonders why liberals like yourself continue to support the liberal's immoral cause?
Clearly your liberal view is irrelevant to your abusive liberal media spokespersons?

Christian liberals I know usually try to redirect debate away from the Left's many atrocities. They even deceive themselves claiming the Left does not dominate the media, in spite of the evidence to the contrary. This suggests an irrational, emotional loyalty.

Just curious whether you support the Left's view on same gender marriage, abortion, feminist agenda except for women under Islam?


---Haz27 on 11/3/14


Learner 2, if you would lisren to fox especially Megan Kelly, bill O'Reilly and sean hannity you would learn a lot.
---shira4368 on 11/3/14


learner2. Are you liberal?

According to leftist activist Tammy Bruce (USA), liberals dominate debate/thought through the mainstream media. Tammy called for equal fair debate from US mainstream media, but her leftist mates attacked her for exposing their dominance of media debate.

In Australia we have same problem. The leftists dominate the media and therefore debate/thought. Our biggest media outlet, the taxpayer funded ABC, is dominated by deceitful leftists who refuse to abide by it's charter obligations to provide impartial, balanced news, etc.

Europe likewise has same problem.

Many liberals always deny the Left's obvious dominance of media debate. Very convenient, and very dishonest.

---Haz27 on 11/3/14


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Hitler was the dictatorial leader of the National Socialist Party (NAZI) in WWII Germany. Obama is the dictatorial leader of the National Socialist Party in America - the Democrat party.



---jerry6593 on 11/3/14


Thanks, Leon.
---learner2 on 11/2/14


Jeery: FYI, in your zeal you goose stepped (marched) "right" over Thomas who just happens to have originated this blog. :)

"learner2...BTW, are you a liberal?"
---Haz27 on 11/2/14


"Thomas, which liberals are you referring to? There are many political liberals who are also Christian. I am one of them. I am not happy when anyone is attacked."
---learner2 on 10/25/14
---Leon on 11/2/14


Haz, Fox News and Rush Limbaugh pretty dominant folk. Are you saying they are liberal?
---learner2 on 11/2/14


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learner2. Hitler's facism is neither left nor right. Facism has its own unique place, having elements from both left and right.

But this only distracts from the current topic. Today's dominant tyranny is the liberal/Left. They dominate much of the mainstream media and education system, and thus control public thought/debate with their bigotry, intolerance and prejudices.

BTW, are you a liberal?
---Haz27 on 11/2/14


Leon: Were you talking about the cartoon characters "Tom and Jerry" or were you slamming me and someone named Thomas? I can never tell with you.



Axey: You tout the Bible's use of the word "liberal" as if it justifies the outlandish behavior of today's USA political liberals. But the Bible says this of liberals:

Isa 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal

Once again, the Bible speaks truth - liberals are indeed vile. The Democrat party is the party of immorality.

:)

---Leon on 11/2/14


Haz, do you think that Hitler was a liberal?
---learner2 on 11/2/14


Leon: Were you talking about the cartoon characters "Tom and Jerry" or were you slamming me and someone named Thomas? I can never tell with you.

Axey: You tout the Bible's use of the word "liberal" as if it justifies the outlandish behavior of today's USA political liberals. But the Bible says this of liberals:

Isa 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal

Once again, the Bible speaks truth - liberals are indeed vile. The Democrat party is the party of immorality.


Jeery's radical, extremist message: Liberals & the Democratic party are vile INFIDELS.

:)

---Leon on 11/2/14


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Leon: Were you talking about the cartoon characters "Tom and Jerry" or were you slamming me and someone named Thomas? I can never tell with you.



Axey: You tout the Bible's use of the word "liberal" as if it justifies the outlandish behavior of today's USA political liberals. But the Bible says this of liberals:

Isa 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal

Once again, the Bible speaks truth - liberals are indeed vile. The Democrat party is the party of immorality.



---jerry6593 on 11/2/14


, one finds liberals and conservatives both who fall into your categories.--learner2

True.
But, throughout history there has always been at any given period some dominant tyranny that has been the main perpetrator enforcing their bigotry, intolerance and prejudice, etc, upon the rest of society.
For the past several decades it has been the liberals who have been the main perpetrator.
---Haz27 on 11/1/14


Haz, one finds liberals and conservatives both who fall into your categories. It has less to do with politics than other issues. We must be careful not to stereotype people.
---learner2 on 11/1/14


\\Your presumption is a fanciful zombie illusion! :)
---Leon on 10/31/14\\

Notice that once more Leon cannot refute what I say but merely stoops to character assassination and ad hominem arguments.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/1/14


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Those who attack anyone or anything without "judicial cause", (of or relating to the administration of justice) are the opposite of liberal, i.e. reactionary, intolerant, niggardly, and prejudicial.--josef

This describes liberals quite well. Liberals often attack Christianity, and even Judaism, without cause, but are eager apologists for the likes of radical Islam.

Liberals always resort to intolerance, prejudice, hate, racism, bigotry, etc, to further their cause.
---Haz27 on 11/1/14


"...Nevertheless, my head is still on my shoulders. I have not been beheaded..."
---Cluny on 10/31/14


Your presumption is a fanciful zombie illusion! :)
---Leon on 10/31/14


People slander me (which is another name for character assassination) all the time, You're one of them, Leon.

Nevertheless, my head is still on my shoulders.

I have not been beheaded.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/14


"...Like I said, apparently you don't know the meaning of words..."
---Cluny on 10/31/14


Oh, I see! The Great & powerful "Like I said" has spoken & that settles it? Really?!!! :)

True to form, once more you demonstrate your condition as one of chronic "I" trouble: buffoonery.
---Leon on 10/31/14


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Sounds like the ACLU. They are not very good at supporting christian right, but do defend other faiths.
---sin on 10/31/14


\\Cluny: Since today is "helloween", let me give you a "heads up" on what character assassination really is. It's the malicious destruction of a person's reputation wherein the person unwittingly plays an active part in his/her own character demise.\\

I know what character assassination means.

And nobody is decapitated by insults, gossip, or slander.

Like I said, apparently you don't know the meaning of words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/14


gave you what the law says, and you reject it.
So by your own standards, you live an abomination lifestyle, too.
---Cluny on 10/31/14

Too be sure we're both sinners. Needing GOD's mercy.
Yes, guilty by Shrimpy double Bacon cheeseburger .
But, won't be standing there at the end with a dress on.

Mar_7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

Don't see a Lobster bacon burger in this scripture.
1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
---Trav on 10/31/14


...nor is an inch removed from my stature, nor a day from my life.
---Cluny on 10/30/14

Aye laddie, your not as tall as you once were with me. Even if your mirror says your a Goliath.
Can't see ya at all for the tresses and dresses now. Outta the gurls pc clothes closet with ya. Girt your kilts, play with de boys awhile. Claim ur place, be the head you were born with.

1Co 16:13 Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.

Exo_18:25 Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.
---Trav on 10/31/14


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\\Pro_28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
---Trav on 10/31/14\\

I gave you what the law says, and you reject it.

So by your own standards, you live an abomination lifestyle, too.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/14


Cluny: Since today is "helloween", let me give you a "heads up" on what character assassination really is. It's the malicious destruction of a person's reputation wherein the person unwittingly plays an active part in his/her own character demise. Said person is set up for an upset & when he/she becomes unhinged (looses one's head/mind) then his/her perpetrator(s) undermines, points an accusatory finger & say, "See, I told you he was about nothing (he's a zero, A ZOMBIE, not a hero)!"

I'm not trying to get your hackles up Cluny, but I've known you to whimper & whine over things said about you on these blogs. At times you've persistently demanded an apology after getting your head cutoff. ijs :)
---Leon on 10/31/14


Cluny I just wanted to share what I recalled from the Bible,that all things we sanctify by the word of prayer are good to eat. Since that is the way it isn't wrong to eat the foods mentioned not to eat under the Old Law but I really think you already know that. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/31/14


you mean like eating pork and shellfish and cheeseburgers?
Or having a double standard?
These things are called ABOMINATIONS in the Bible.
---Cluny on 10/29/14

The following covers both ends and the middle of the spectrum....made special for your un-orthodox comfort.

Pro_17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
Pro_28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
---Trav on 10/31/14


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//\\Is not "character assassination" a kind of beheading?//

Unless words have ceased to have meanings, no.//

---Clunyon 10/30/14


Might want to rethink that... not from the view of the assassinated but from the view of the assassin. Matthew 5:22
---aka on 10/31/14


\\ Is not "character assassination" a kind of beheading? \\

Unless words have ceased to have meanings, no.

People have insulted me and assassinated my character on these blogs and I keep on living just fine.

I don't miss a dollar from my pocket, nor is an inch removed from my stature, nor a day from my life.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/30/14


"\\What's the difference between so-called Christian Right Wing religious zealots, like Thomas, Jerry, etc., & radical Islamic groups like ISIS/ISIL?
There doesn't seem to be much difference since both aggressively vilify, attack & destroy others who don't have the same religious views."
---Leon on 10/30/14\\


Two differences:
1. The churches Tom, Jerry, and ISIS attend.
2. Tom and Jerry don't behead people.

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/30/14

Cluny: It doesn't matter what religious activity center one attends. If one's religious beliefs are false, THEY'RE FALSE! Is not "character assassination" a kind of beheading? :)
---Leon on 10/30/14


\\What's the difference between so-called Christian Right Wing religious zealots, like Thomas, Jerry, etc., & radical Islamic groups like ISIS/ISIL?
There doesn't seem to be much difference since both aggressively vilify, attack & destroy others who don't have the same religious views.
---Leon on 10/30/14\\

Two differences:

1. The churches Tom, Jerry, and ISIS attend.

2. Tom and Jerry don't behead people.

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/30/14


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"...I would like to see no religion attacked...Those who attack anyone or anything without "judicial cause", (of or relating to the administration of justice) are the opposite of liberal, i.e., reactionary, intolerant, niggardly, and prejudicial. Those are the ones to which this question should be addressed."
---josef on 10/26/14


Josef: VERY TRUE! What's the difference between so-called Christian Right Wing religious zealots, like Thomas, Jerry, etc., & radical Islamic groups like ISIS/ISIL? There doesn't seem to be much difference since both aggressively vilify, attack & destroy others who don't have the same religious views.
---Leon on 10/30/14


\\Approves a abomination lifestyles?\\

You mean like eating pork and shellfish and cheeseburgers?

Or having a double standard?

These things are called ABOMINATIONS in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/29/14


Precisely trav
We can see how far Israel fell when they turn from God as their ruler to a king.
Even before that when "everyone was doing what was right in their own eyes."...
---micha9344 on 10/29/14

No King but, King YAHSHUA/Jesus.
But, then at some point this may make us rebels to the political power of the day. So be it. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, Daniel etc.
Lord give us the strength to sing in the...flame. (you wanna be Shadrach?)
Interestingly, as per your post, King Saul come to mind also. The human condition, we historically trade a Steak for a Hot Dog.
Hos 3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, ...
---Trav on 10/29/14


Precisely trav
We can see how far Israel fell when they turn from God as their ruler to a king.
Even before that when "everyone was doing what was right in their own eyes."
The Nth and Sth tribes give testimony of the failings of kings.
---micha9344 on 10/29/14


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Trav:
Wouldn't taking food out of the mouths of starving children and instead giving money to rich corporations - isn't that calling evil good?
---StrongAxe on 10/28/14

Are either of these groups Christians you speak of?
Identify who.
Simple...do christians stand with those who pass, support, finance laws approving abortion at any stage? Approves a abomination lifestyles?
Shouldn't the churches be involved in the hungry children? Are they? The homeless? Shouldn't the same sheep be involved in who is elected if the they expect the general public to feed them? Who gets the blessing for caring for the widows and orphans?
Lam 5:1 Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us:
Lam 5:2 Our inheritance is...
---Trav on 10/29/14


Generosity does not come from using someone else's money to accomplish a goal.
I would not equate conservative with generosity as well.
It seems both have been very "generous" with taxpayer money, or what they don't have of it, as the debt ceiling rises.
Generosity does not give what it doesn't have.
I would not consider anyone involved in the US budget to be "generous."
But we are talking about "liberal" here and it truly appears that "liberal" has a different meaning today.
Also, speaking of those that can't help themselves, why do liberals, in general, support abortion, the killing of those that can't help themselves?
---micha9344 on 10/29/14


micha9344:

Liberals are typically for funding social programs that help the poor who cannot help themselves. Conservatives are constantly trying to defund such programs, while at the same time pushing for subsidies for large corporations, and larger military appopropriations. Who is "generous" here, and who is miserly?


Trav:

Wouldn't taking food out of the mouths of starving children and instead giving money to rich corporations - isn't that calling evil good? Isn't this similar to David taking Uriah's wife, and having him killed in the process?
---StrongAxe on 10/28/14


Verses with "liberal" in them (KJV).
Deu 15:14, Pro 11:25, Isa 32:5, Isa 32:8, 1Co 16:3, 2Co 8:2, 2Co 9:13, Jam 1:5.
In all of these verses "liberal" can be replaced with "generous."
This is not the case with the current worldly use of "liberal."
A liberal judge or liberal politician doesn't directly equate to a generous one.
The word now has an agenda associated with it, whether true or perceived.
This is true for many words that now mean something different than originally intended.
One may say these words have been corrupted, yet the power of God's Word still stands and does not return to Him without accomplishing the task for which it was sent.
---micha9344 on 10/28/14


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//Don't forget that the word "liberal" occurs several times in the Bible//

Please list. I am not disagreeing with you. I am actually interested.
---Scott1 on 10/28/14


Trav:
Don't forget that the word "liberal" occurs several times in the Bible, and almost always in a good, positive light.
---StrongAxe on 10/28/14

Aye matey, would agree on the Biblical part. But, we shouldn't be too liberal with the "liberal"... as they stand these days, defending by vote, choice and voice, Abortion and the abominations, etc.
Liberals of today, confused and fearful of offending anyone sometimes, I see as the verse below.

Isa_5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, sweet for bitter!

Luk_12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay, but rather division:
---Trav on 10/28/14


Trav:

Don't forget that the word "liberal" occurs several times in the Bible, and almost always in a good, positive light. You might say "But what the Bible means by Liberal is not the same as what we mean now", but if so, it means that you're ignoring what the Bible says, in favor of what society says.

Also, liberal-haters all too often lump everyone into one basket - i.e. supporting every single stereotypical "liberal agenda", which is definitely NOT true. There is a very broad variation of opinions among liberals, just as among conservatives, just as among Christians.
---StrongAxe on 10/28/14


Josef, Christians and religion are attact by other " religions" everyday all over the world. They are being beheaded,hung, shot and beaten to death. They are wolves in sheep clothing. They are false religion of the worst kind. I think they are more than goats in sheep clothing, I think they are demons unleashed.
---shira4368 on 10/27/14


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Christianity neither espouses nor clings to a political agenda, compared to what many people (especially on here) think.
Jesus said, "My Kingdom is NOT of this world."
---Cluny on 10/25/14

Let see then. Your kingdom is. You shouldn't vote as per your belief. (Please don't)
Your religion is professed Christian.
But, your politics are voted liberal.
So then your approved lifestle is liberal you vote and defend promote the liberal. Your friends are liberal.
As it appears you'd say: Your GOD is a liberal modern GOD, with open minded judgement on your open minded voted liberal lifestyle... right?

Sounds like hell is finally liberated.
---Trav on 10/27/14


//"favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs"//
Josef

Liberals want progress and reform, so do conservatives. The difference is that liberals look for new ideas no matter the cost. Think throw the baby out with the bath water. While conservatives remember the good times of the past and forget the bad stuff. In America, some liberals have a perception that christianity is strong and integral part of life thus it needs to be attacked, because hate is a stronger emotion than love, to bring about new ideas and ways of life.
---Scott1 on 10/27/14


\\There is not the same interest in attacking false religions.\\

While error has no rights, PEOPLE, including those holding to false religions, do have rights.

One such right is being told respectfully and logically why you believe their religion is wrong, with reference to primary sources, (Coran, Hadiths, Gita, Lotus Sutra) and the like.

Mere polemics do no good.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/14


There is not the same interest in attacking false religions. Satan is already involved in them all. Christianity comes under attack because Satan desires this and motivates these actions.
---Rita_H on 10/26/14


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As a "liberal", defined "favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs" I would like to see no religion attacked. What would be the purpose? Synonyms for liberal include progressive, broad-minded, unprejudiced, beneficent, charitable, openhanded, and munificent.Those who attack anyone or anything without "judicial cause", (of or relating to the administration of justice) are the opposite of liberal, i.e. reactionary, intolerant, niggardly, and prejudicial. Those are the ones to which this question should be addressed.
---josef on 10/26/14


Do you have any liberal friends? Why don't you ask them?

Christianity neither espouses nor clings to a political agenda, compared to what many people (especially on here) think. Jesus said, "My Kingdom is NOT of this world."

However, I think most attacks on Christianity are based on what ignorant people PERCEIVE Christianity to teach, and not the faith itself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/25/14


Thomas, which liberals are you referring to? There are many political liberals who are also Christian. I am one of them. I am not happy when anyone is attacked.
---learner2 on 10/25/14


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