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Eve From Adam's Side

Since Adam and Eve were made on the same day (G5:2), why didn't God make them both from the ground? Why was Eve made from Adam's side?

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Keep in mind, the Adam and Eve story is an allegory.
---learner2 on 11/12/14


Cluny, Scripture does not agree with you. See Acts 5:4 "While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God."

Some (not you) have claimed that in lying to the Holy Spirit they only indirectly lied to God. Considering the multitude of Scriptures which attest to the Holy Spirit being a person (and the third member of the Godhead) lying to Him is directly lying to God, as he is God.
---Warwick on 11/12/14


Scott,I do not imagine I was able to "dazzle" them, just challenge them. Regarding Colossians 1:15-17 I was able to show them from the NWT and KIT that the four times 'other' is inserted in the NWT text is contradicted by the KIT. They were challenged by this and had no answer. In reality to insert a word which adds to or modifies another may be acceptable. However the insertion of 'other'
reverses the meaning of the Greek.

You exhibit bluster and evasiveness debating from the safety and anonymity of the web but I imagine face to face you would also be much easier to handle.

That you harp on and on about something I wrote years ago, shows you have nothing in your arsenal.
---Warwick on 11/12/14


aka, Sorry I should have been more specific...Rom 8.26 calls Holy Spirit "itself" KJV.
because spirit (pneuma) is not masculine in gender ! calling spirit/pneuma "he" is not grammatically correct !
To believe translators were not biased is to have your head in the sand !
---1stcliff on 11/12/14


\\Shouldn't ask you embarrassing realistic questions,I'm not embarrassed by any questions. Did you think you would embarrass me? You didn't even come close.

\\By what scriptural authority do your priest act as intermediary's between man an [sic] GOD?\\

By what scriptural authority do you reject auricular confession? I'll answer your question if you answer mine first.

\\Merchandising Christ, goes a bit past tacky. \\

I don't know what you mean by this. Do you?

If you think any of the Sacraments (which are Christ in action) are for sale, you think wrong.

Of course, protestant Christian bookstores never sell pious junk, do they?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/14




They are not usually sold by the church, but by other companies.
You're being tacky, Trav.
---Cluny on 11/12/14

You're being tacky again, Trav
... you confess like Catholics do? \\
Where do you think the Roman Catholics got the practice ...
---Cluny on 11/12/14

Expect you'd know tacky. You're right. Shouldn't ask you embarrassing realistic questions, just answer your non-tacki questions, right?
See that it's tacky when anyone but you asks a question.
By what scriptural authority do your priest act as intermediary's between man an GOD?
Who really needs them? Merchandising Christ, goes a bit past tacky.
But, then it's OK if other companies do it? As long as it's not you... it's them.
---Trav on 11/12/14


You're being tacky again, Trav.

\\ Have read that you guys confess to the Church priest like the Catholics do? \\

Where do you think the Roman Catholics got the practice of auricular confession? However, not all priests are blessed to hear them.

Actually, confessions are made to God in the presence of the priest, as the prayers of this ministry say.

\\Do you guys use confession boxes?\\

Nope.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/14


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---marc on 11/12/14


"Colossians 1:15-17, NWT"- Warwick

Oh no. Did you dazzle them with your knowledge of biblical language and grammar?

Remember when you argued vehemently for weeks that the biblical Hebrew word "Eth" (Aleph, Tav) was an unspoken word meaning "God" and then months later said that you were just kidding? That was great.

Surely you're also kidding about having knowledge of the Greek text at Colossians 1:15-17.
---scott on 11/12/14


That's not surprising, since spiritual things can be only spiritually discerned.
---Cluny on 11/5/14

More Orthodox questions. Have read that you guys confess to the Church priest like the Catholics do?
Do you guys use confession boxes?

Is this true?
---Trav on 11/12/14




//Even Rom 8 KJV says of the Holy Spirit "itself"// 1stcliff

Rom 8:19-21 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation ...Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

so, what conclusion can we draw in an equitable manner?

//God does not need a "helper"// ---1stcliff

no, but dispatching those at his will like Jesus, Gabriel, Michael (oh... i said that already), and so on is of HIS will.
---aka on 11/12/14


Cliff I had a 1 hour visit from 2 JW heavies this morning. Pleasant men, and easy to deal with as I was able to insist they answer my questions, as I answered theirs. Face to face it was easy to expose the WTS errors. The improper use of 'other' 4 times in Colossians 1:15-17 was obvious to them when I got them to read and see how their New World Translation is an improper translation of their own Interlinear-very embarrassed.

When you answer my questions I will answer yours. Yours are very easy to answer. Go back and see the questions which remain unanswered in my blogs to you.
---Warwick on 11/11/14


Warwick: Nothing fruitful will come from dialoguing with Cliff or David. Let's ignore them: "Answer not a fool according to his folly [misdirection], lest you be like him yourself." (Pv. 26:4, NASB)

Warwick: Regardless of the rib being able to regrow or it being protection for man's internal organs, why do you suppose God didn't make both A & E from the ground & why was Eve made from Adam's side (rib)?
---Leon on 11/11/14


\\Peter equates lying to Him as lying to God.\\

Actually, St. Peter equated lying to the CHURCH and her leaders (which is what A & S did) as lying to the Holy Spirit.

Reread the passage.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/14


Leon
After reading, I believe I am on your side. I too believe there is only one God, with three distinct persons in one God head.(Revelation 4:2)
Perhaps this misunderstanding was due to my use of the word Deity.
---David on 11/12/14


Warwick,... you somehow imagine that the Holy Spirit acts on it's own ?
---1stcliff on 11/11/14

Cliff,You said it best with fewer words.
(Forgive my imposing in your discussion. Aussy's arrogance and bullying are invites for unity in scripture. May we all learn. I have, thanks/blessings.
Exo_35:31 he hath filled him with the spirit of God, ...
Jdg_9:23 God sent an evil spirit...
1Ki_22:23 LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth ...
Isa_59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD, My spirit that is upon thee, my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor mouth of thy seed, nor mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.
---Trav on 11/12/14


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Warwick, Jesus "breathed" on His disciples and said "Receive holy Spirit"
Can God be breathed on you???
Is God a bird ? (dove)
Holy Spirit is an extension of God, so lying to it is lying to God himself not to His power !
You somehow imagine that the Holy Spirit acts on it's own ? Teaching and counseling ???
God does not need a "helper "


---1stcliff on 11/11/14


Cliff, me, ducker and weaver? Compare my fulsome answers, with the paucity of yours.

2 Corinthians 13:14 "May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." "Fellowship" with a computer? Hmm!

John 14:26 and 15:26 The Holy Spirit is "Counselor"
Acts 5:34 Peter says they have lied to the Holy Spirit and in doing "You have not lied to man but to God." Are you claiming God is not a person? Can you, in like manner lie to your computer?
Acts 13:2 "the Holy Spirit said." And you say He is not a person.

I quote these Scriptures, not that I believe you will take notice but doing so is good Bible study.
---Warwick on 11/11/14


"Warwick, Talking about ducking and weaving, you said that the scriptures you cited could only be done by a "person" I pointed out that my computer can do some of those things and it is not a "person" ! Who is in error here?
Like Cluny says, Leon, Character assassination is your forte'"
---1stcliff on 11/11/14


Oh pooh pooh Cliff! Your thinking is so self-absorbed & twisted. lol
---Leon on 11/11/14


Warwick, All you said about "HE" is that it was nonsense, no explanation of why "He" was used erroneously !
Even Rom 8 KJV says of the Holy Spirit "itself" !
---1stcliff on 11/11/14


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Cliff, calling me a ducker and weaver is ironic. Look at the fullness of my answers, compared to the paucity of yours.

Again 2 Corinthians 13:14 "May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." "Fellowship" with a computer? Hmm!

John 14:26 and 15:26 The Holy Spirit is "Councellor"
Acts 5:34 Peter says they have lied to the Holy Spirit and in doing "You have not lied to man but to God." Are you claiming God is not a person? Can you, in like manner lie to your computer?
Acts 13:2 "the Holy Spirit said." And you say He is not a person.

As usual you have given no supporting Scripture.
---Warwick on 11/11/14


Warwick, Talking about ducking and weaving, you said that the scriptures you cited could only be done by a "person" I pointed out that my computer can do some of those things and it is not a "person" ! Who is in error here?
Like Cluny says, Leon, Character assassination is your forte'
---1stcliff on 11/11/14


Cliff,
You claimed the Holy Spirit is not a person and now try to argue about "He."
What nonsense you write to defend the indefensible.
---Warwick on 11/10/14

A greater nonsense by arrogance is your reply. Having proved nothing and have the audacity to call Cliff's nonsense. You would divide with a believer in Christ without proof yourself?

Simpy show scripture stating the Holy Ghost is a person. You cannot and have not.
GOD is greater than a "person". Spirit of GOD can spiritually infill a person, create a son, create a universe or a world, be bodily shaped as dove, walk with Adam, or anything he desires.

Luk_3:22 Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, ...
---Trav on 11/11/14


Leon, That is right! Men and women are EQUAL.
Equal in value and worth.
They simply have different roles within the human family structure.
As GOD ordained, that is.
---Gordon on 11/11/14


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"Cliff, as Leon points out you duck & weave. You attempt to evade anything which contradicts your view...You claim the Holy Spirit [isn't] a person (giving no Scriptural support for your view) [I've]...given far more than adequate Scriptural support. [That's] where I stand. If you believe the Scriptures I gave are wrong show me where & why."---Warwick on 11/10/14

Warwick: I wouldn't exactly call what Cliff does "duck & weave". One would have to stand upright to do that. "He" actually slithers. Whereas you stand upon Scripture, "he" side winds upon sinking sand & between the rocks of a hard heart & his delusional mind.
---Leon on 11/11/14


Your view is narrow.
---1stcliff on 11/10/14


and shouldn't it be?

the words of Jesus, the archangel...

Mat 7:12-15

...this is the Law and the Prophets.
"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
"Beware of false prophets...
---aka on 11/11/14


SIDEKICK: a person's assistant or close associate [HELPER], especially one who has less authority than that person.

I watched black & white TV as a child. There were numerous TV programs with people who had "sidekicks". Many were cowboys (Roy Rogers & Dale Evans) ~ detectives (S. Holmes & Watson) ~ super heroes (Batman & Robin) ~ comedians (Laurel & Hardy), etc. Also, in the Bible there are numerous sidekicks, beginning with Eve & throughout Scripture. Care to name a few?

Seems to me like God is saying ALL people given His delegated authority need sidekicks (helpers). Though occupying a secondary position, the sidekick is just as important & vitally necessary to overall mission completion.
---Leon on 11/11/14


Cliff, as usual you ignore what has been written and endeavour, unsuccessfully, to shift the argument. You claimed the Holy Spirit is not a person and now try to argue about "He."

Back to the point. You appear to believe your computer is a person. Not so, it is a machine which works only upon the bounds within which it has been programmed.

Ephesians 4:30 "do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Do you suggest you can likewise, in the same meaning of the word, grieve your computer? The comparison is ludicrous.

Is lying to your computer (even if it could be done) the same as lying to God?

What nonsense you write to defend the indefensible.
---Warwick on 11/10/14


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Warwick, The scriptures you cite all beginning wit "he" is nothing more than poetic licence (bias on the translator) because neither in Greek nor Hebrew is "spirit" masculine.
Are these scriptures really truthful ? (inserting he)

My computer teaches, reminds, counsels,speaks commands etc...and it is not a person either .
Your view is narrow.
---1stcliff on 11/10/14


HS does not have the authority to forgive blasphemy!!-1stcliff

by your definition, the Holy Spirit of God does not have the authority to forgive anything since it is just a force.

biblically speaking...there is no authority to forgive blasphemy of the HS.

Jesus, the archangel said that.

//why is blasphemy against 2/3 of your "Godhead" forgivable and 1/3 not ?//

you will have to take that up with Jesus, the archangel. again, he said that.

Mar 3:28 Truly I say to you, All sins shall be forgiven to the sons of men, and blasphemies with which they shall blaspheme.
Mar 3:29 But he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never shall have forgiveness, but is liable to eternal condemnation.
---aka on 11/10/14


Warwick, Beating the same old drum...Evening to evening is a 24 hour day.!
Evening to morning is only half day !
Evening and morning have symbolic meaning to a measurement of time !
You think darkness and light have no spiritual meaning ?
---1stcliff on 11/8/14

Banging sincerely, loudly, to and for men of doctrines. Didn't fully realize what organized doc/denom he follows until recently. He is not allowed to deviate without jumping out of the doctrinal ship... even for non threatening truth! 100 times harder/darker situation than the doc free man/woman has.
Saul/Paul simular situ. He was first blinded enabling him to see.
Hard as he makes it, we can pray for.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations...in the day
---Trav on 11/10/14


Cliff, as Leon points out you duck and weave. You attempt to evade anything which contradicts your view and try to move on to point two without dealing with point one.

I won't be moving on. You claim the Holy Spirit is not a person (giving no Scriptural support for your view) I conversely have given far more than adequate Scriptural support. That is where I stand. If you believe the Scriptures I gave are wrong show me where and why.
---Warwick on 11/10/14


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Sam & Cliff: "You" guys present Scripture like two little kids who dump the contents of a jigsaw puzzle on the floor & then attempt to put it together without looking at the "big picture" (CONTEXT) on the front of the box. :)

Gordon: You make some valid points. Though occupying a secondary position Eve, his sidekick, was just as important as (equal to) Adam & vitally necessary to the overall mission completion, i.e. being fruitful & multiplying.
---Leon on 11/9/14


Very good point Warwick. However, true to form, Cliff will try to find a way to side wind (snake) his way out of his blasphemy.
---Leon on 11/9/14


Scott's argument: Jesus is Michael because 1Thess 4:16 states Jesus "shouts with the voice of an archangel." No middle common term to make a valid syllogism. A pedestrian paralogism.

Notwithstanding Scott's wayward thinking, Jesus shouts "with the trumpet of God" so Jesus, on Scott's "logic", must be who? YHWH!

Oh no, Scott's pants are down, down, and gone.

Naturally, Scott's "exegesis" comes secondary to his already believed Watchtowerite Jesus-is-an-angel-called-Michael. Worse still, Scott's Rev 19 argument is that Michael, a creature, is not only the Word of God, but King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Arian, pagan heresy, unsupported by not a single jot of early Christian history!
---marc on 11/9/14


Cliff, 2 Corinthians 13:14 'May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

How can we fellowship with an impersonal force?

See Matt. 28.19, John 14:26, 15:26, Acts 5:3-4, 13:2, which of the Holy Spirit says:

People are baptized into His name
He is referred to as he
He is counselor
He teaches
He reminds
He testifies
He speaks
He commands
He calls Himself I
Peter equates lying to Him as lying to God.

Nothing in these verses suggests anything other than the Holy Spirit being a person. These references don't fit with Him being a force, or impersonal.

That view is contrary to Scripture.
---Warwick on 11/10/14


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Leon
I admire your zeal, but this is why there is no reason to argue this point. No matter what you show me, or I show you, our minds our made up.

And in reality, does it really matter?
---David on 11/10/14


Warwick, If it's all the same God, why is blasphemy against 2/3 of your "Godhead" forgivable and 1/3 not ?
---1stcliff on 11/10/14


Cliff, if the Holy Spirit is not a person, but a force of some kind how can He be blasphemed as Jesus says Mark 3:29? Can electricity, air pressure, or gravity be blasphemed, and the blasphemer never forgiven?

Bible Study Tools-"blasphemy" denotes any utterance that insults God or Christ.

Smith's Bible Dictionary-in its technical English sense, signifies the speaking evil of God.

ATS Bible Dictionary-A man is guilty of blasphemy, when he speaks of God, or his attributes, injuriously.

The Holy Spirit, therefore, by definition is God!
---Warwick on 11/9/14


Somehow we got back on the trinity subject again.

The Father has a name...YHWH
The Son has a name ...Jesus
Holy Spirit has no name ?

Not a person, Holy Spirit is "what" it/he is not "who" it/he is
HS does not have the authority to forgive blasphemy !!
---1stcliff on 11/9/14


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Well Leon Congratulations you have tried to answer a point that shows the trinity. You generally just ignore all the Bible verse we present.

How come the Bible talks about them being three and having separate jobs?

JESUS is the High Priest. Hebrews 4:14

Explain Mark 8,38, 1john 2:22,23


2Co 13:14

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. [
---Samuelbb7 on 11/9/14


David: ONE GOD, "THREE" DISTINCT PERSONS "IN" THE "ONE" GODHEAD. "If" is a supposition (theory), not a fact. In Bible context, Jesus was "willingly" sent by God, the Father to do the Father's will. Speaking from His humanity (flesh), Jesus (the God man), like us He didn't want to die, yet He was obedient & harmoniously submitted "His will" to the "Father's will" on our behalf, for our benefit (salvation).

ijs :)
---Leon on 11/9/14


Leon
I must ask you though, If God and Jesus are one and the same, wouldn't they have the same will too?

In (Luke 22:42) Jesus said, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me, nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.
It should be obvious from the Lords statement, he had a will of his own.
---David on 11/9/14


"David: The Bible clearly states & shows there's but ONE GOD (deity) with three distinctly different persons within the ONE Godhead (family), i.e., Father, Son & Holy Spirit.-Leon

Leon
Evidence has been presented for both beliefs, and as far as I know, no one has changed their position.
So if you believe this, I can not and will not try to change your mind."
---David on 11/9/14


David: Neither will I try to change your mind either. But, would you please tell me what is the data that has been presented to support the fact (evidence) of "three 'separate' deities"?
---Leon on 11/9/14


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David: The Bible clearly states & shows there's but ONE GOD (deity) with three distinctly different persons within the ONE Godhead (family), i.e., Father, Son & Holy Spirit.-Leon

Leon
Evidence has been presented for both beliefs, and as far as I know, no one has changed their position.
So if you believe this, I can not and will not try to change your mind.
---David on 11/9/14


"Though there is disagreement on this matter, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. Three separate deities, but work in harmony as one..."
---David on 11/8/14


David: The Bible clearly states & shows there's but ONE GOD (deity) with three distinctly different persons within the ONE Godhead (family), i.e., Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
---Leon on 11/8/14


Though there is disagreement on this matter, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. Three separate deities, but work in harmony as one.

God created man in this image, his image, so a married couple would work in this same harmony, as one.

Anyone who has ever been married, can attest to the fact men and women have different/special qualities to bring to a marriage, the other half simply does not have. And it's important in a marriage that a couple understand these differences.

This harmonious relationship, working as one, is required when raising our children, just as God raises his children.
---David on 11/8/14


Chria, I see everything saying that Eve was literally made from the flesh and bone of Adam's side. And nothing in Scripture which even hints otherwise.

Ribs indeed are a protection for internal organs. However, never having been there, sadly, I do not know if such protection was necessary in The Garden. Further I cannot imagine our all loving Almighty God leaving Adam at risk. Even is it was a rib, Adam had lots more and as I have pointed out ribs can regrow. Today if a rib is removed from the periosteum (the tough membrane which covers all bones) the bone will regrow.
---Warwick on 11/7/14


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---Warwick on 11/5/14 Thanks for reply and information. The question I asked would have been better stated as was it more than a literal rib? Or was it a literal rib only.

---aka on 11/6/14. Good stuff!

A function of ribs is protection, what protection was needed in Eden? Ribs and other bones also function as framework, provide a degree of rigidity/strength or support, they provide attachments for muscles and other tissues, act as levers for movement, store nutrients, minerals and energy, so they are important in nourishment, as well as blood cell production which occurs in red marrow. From early on marrow is 100% red. Yellow marrow comes about later on but can be converted to red marrow
---Chria9396 on 11/7/14


SIDEKICK: a person's assistant or close associate [HELPER], especially one who has less authority than that person.

I watched black & white TV as a child. There were numerous TV programs with people who had "sidekicks". Many were cowboys (Roy Rogers & Dale Evans) ~ detectives (S. Holmes & Watson) ~ super heroes (Batman & Robin) ~ comedians (Laurel & Hardy), etc. Also, in the Bible there are numerous sidekicks, beginning with Eve & throughout Scripture. Care to name a few?

Seems to me like God is saying ALL people given His delegated authority need sidekicks (helpers). Though occupying a secondary position, the sidekick is just as important & vitally necessary to overall mission completion.
---Leon on 11/7/14


Help meet - only occurs 2x in scripture.

the meaning is lost when one settles for Eve just as a help-mate...as an assistant. "ezer kenegdo" means a helper in front of him. the word has its root in "azar", which means to surround or come to the aid of.

ribs are in front and they do surround.

so, to God and Adam, eve was intended to be much more than a secretary or assistant or the more misogynistic man with a womb.
---aka on 11/6/14


I believe, from Scriptures, that Eve coming from Adam's side, a rib, indicates, symbolically, how Eve was meant to be a partner "by his side" until death.

GOD says, GENESIS 2:24, that a man shall leave his parents and marry his woman, his wife, and
the two shall be ONE FLESH.
Eve came from Adam's flesh, becoming "separated" into two individual persons,
then come back together again in a marital state of "one flesh".
Plus the fact that Adam is the "head of the household", the woman Eve is subject to her husband.
---Gordon on 11/6/14


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"Believe me that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN,me: or else believe me for the very works' sake." John 14:11, KJB

"Therefore if any man be IN Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new. 2 Cor. 5:17, KJB


"Everything, from the beginning of creation points to Jesus Christ, and was made after a pattern of things in heaven, just as the Tabernacle was. Just as the Triune God is ONE, and not three separate Gods."
---kathr4453 on 11/6/14

I agree Kathr, most definitely a God orchestrated "pattern" in heaven & on earth, man, woman, children, all IN ONE family.
---Leon on 11/6/14


Ephesians5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself, and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Everything, from the beginning of creation points to Jesus Christ, and was made after a pattern of of things in heaven, just as the Tabernacle was.

Just as the Triune God is ONE, and not three separate Gods.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/14


\\GOOBLEDYGOOK Cluny!!! :)
---Leon on 11/5/14\\

Typical, Leon.

Instead of refuting what I say, you merely make fun of it, when you don't indulge in personal attacks.

Maybe you're incapable of understanding what I'm saying?

That's not surprising, since spiritual things can be only spiritually discerned.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/5/14


Chria, the word translated 'rib' in Genesis 2:22 literally means side. But Adam declared "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh,.." vs. 23. So we have Eve being made from Adam's side and of his bone and flesh. Jesus confirms the reality of this in Mark 10:6-8 so I believe the bone and flesh from which Eve was made was literal. And most likely a rib as the rib is the only bone in the human body which can regrow.
---Warwick on 11/5/14


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"As I said, Leon, I see a difference between the two propositions. if you don't, that's fine.

I agree that the effect is the same, just not the immediate cause.

Glory to Jesus Christ!"
---Cluny on 11/5/14


GOOBLEDYGOOK Cluny!!! :)
---Leon on 11/5/14


As I said, Leon, I see a difference between the two propositions.

if you don't, that's fine.

I agree that the effect is the same, just not the immediate cause.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/5/14


"\\God spoke all other creatures into being like he did all the heavens and earth.\\

Not quite true.

God said, 'Let the sea bring forth living creatures,' which is not the same as 'Let there be living creatures.'

Glory to Jesus Christ!"
---Cluny on 11/5/14


Why not Cluny? Isn't the "word LET" a SPOKEN authorization of God no matter how the articulation is framed?
---Leon on 11/5/14


"...I think the Genesis account shows that women have the same nature & dignity as men. Glory to Jesus Christ!"
---Cluny on 11/3/14


Cluny: What do you mean by "nature"? In G3, apparently having gone out to eat, Eve was "thinking" about food & went to the Che Appeal Tree Restaurant to dine. :)

Human males & females naturally share many of the same physical & mental characteristics, yet we're obviously physiologically & psychologically made very differently, e.g., mentally, men listen with half a brain! :) When listening, our thinking is confined to the left temporal lobe, the region associated with listening & speech. But, women listen in both temporal lobes.
---Leon on 11/5/14


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Was it a literal rib?
H6763 - tsela`
Also means side,beam, plank, board, leaves

Assuming anatomy of Adam was identical to mans today, what rib was used, a floating rib, attached only to the spine, or one that was attached to both spine and sternum? Just curious.
Physically the rib provides protection of internal organs. However, it also has physiological function. Bone contains marrow in its interior, which produces blood cells, and marrow is also an important component of the lymphatic system, important to the bodys immune system
Ribs and other flat bones contain red marrow, compared to yellow marrow
---Chria9396 on 11/5/14


\\God spoke all other creatures into being like he did all the heavens and earth.\\

Not quite true.

God said, "Let the sea bring forth living creatures," which is not the same as "Let there be living creatures."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/5/14


1Cliff I'm not disputing your word but from what I read in Genesis 1 God spoke all other creatures into being like he did all the heavens and earth. What fascinates me is that the creatures were said to be created each one after their kind. Where did all their kind come from or where were they living? Also its stands to reason the creatures of the Seas,fishes etc. were in the water but the fowl of the air came from the waters too. Marvelous isn't it. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 11/4/14


Leon, You shouldn't answer questions that are over your head..lol
We're not told "how" God made the lower creatures, but it could have been the same method since "kinds" cannot cross bread!
Of course God can do anything but that doesn't mean He did !
---1stcliff on 11/4/14


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Some miss the point. Almighty God could have made Eve any way He chose however He did choose to make her in a particular way "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh, she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man" Genesis 2:23 Adam speaking.

Interestingly, and relevantly a friend had a serious car accident and lost considerable bone from his face. He had more that 40 operations to fix the problem, taking bone from one of his ribs many times. His surgeon pointed out to him that the rib is the only bone in our bodies which can regrow!

That Jesus says the newlyweds will now make a separate family for themselves is recorded fact. Whether everyone did this is of course a totally different matter.
---Warwick on 11/4/14


//Why was Eve made from Adam's side?//

ribs are made to protect. however, they are one of the weakest bones in the body nearly as weak as the clavicle. so, the weakest of bones is designed to protect arguably the most important organ and life's very God-given breath. however, the more that the man gets nutrition and guidance from the Word, the stronger that the rib that helps protect life becomes.

Why was Eve made from Adam's side?

to preserve each other and to be one in unity

//Leon, You just chastised me for asking "why" , now you are !!...(Hybrids)//---1stcliff

Cliff, you expected differently? i like your answer. relates.
---aka on 11/4/14


My point, Leon, is that in those days, men seldom left the family group.

Yes, Rebecca had been dead, but it was ABRAHAM who sent the matchmaker, and Isaac continued to live with his father.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/4/14


\\Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife,\\
Isaac didn't leave the family, but continued to live in his mother's tent.
Was he really married to Rebecca? In fact, generally men stayed on the family property back then, and their WIVES were the ones who left their parents. [Okaaay, your point is fuzzy.]

Glory to Jesus Christ!"
---Cluny on 11/4/14


I don't understand your question since the Bible says Rebekah did indeed become Isaac's wife (G24:67) When he brought Rebekah to Sarah's tent, Sarah had been dead & buried for quite some time (G23:2-20) ~ she wasn't resident in the tent any longer!
---Leon on 11/4/14


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\\Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife,\\

Isaac didn't leave the family, but continued to live in his mother's tent.

Was he really married to Rebecca?

In fact, generally men stayed on the family property back then, and their WIVES were the ones who left their parents.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/4/14


Cluny, great response!
---learner2 on 11/3/14


Short answer Cliff, your question(s) are wrong headed (going in the wrong direction, away from truth). I'm just trying to help you! :)

Here's a question just for you: If what you say is true about Eve would've been an entirely different specie, then God must've made all the other species male first & extracted the females from them so they'd all be of the same kind, right?

Actually, I have another question: Since God is God, could He not make groups of species like He wants to, e.g., couldn't God have made Eve from out of the ground & she'd still have been a compatible mate for Adam? Please help my understanding.
---Leon on 11/3/14


Quoting from Genesis 1:27, and 2:24 Jesus said "But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one flesh."

As they were in the beginning.

I have heard it said that God did not make woman from man's foot, that she should be below him, nor from his head, that she should be above him. But from his side that they would be equal, side by side.

"In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself" Ephesians 5:28. We were the one flesh in the beginning, and become so again in marriage.
---Warwick on 11/4/14


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God's way is always perfect and it is not for us to question His methods of doing anything. The way He created Eve meant that she and Adam were genetically identical which must have been how God wanted them to be.
---Rita_H on 11/4/14


Creation myths of surrounding cultures in many cases have women as being of a different nature from males.

I think the Genesis account shows that women have the same nature and dignity as men.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/3/14


Leon, You just chastised me for asking "why" , now you are !!
Answer is that Eve would have been a separate creation , children would have been sterile, (Hybrids)
---1stcliff on 11/3/14


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