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Should politics be preached from the denominational church pulpits? Do you think it would alienate/divide the members who have a different point of view from the pastor's?

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Trav, You forget that people who donate to the church also get to take it off their taxes, ... but the members get a benefit for donating.
Back to the question.. Why should church property be tax exempt?
---NurseRobert on 12/4/14

Who objects but you, for encouragement like that. Getting a tax break for helping others.
Kinda encourages you non christian types to give for tax reasons.
Why should Church property be exempt?
So Christian despiser's like yourself cannot pass tax laws stealing properties from Church groups who do not believe like you do. Our personal property should not be taxed either. The state can take away that which took a lifetime to purchase for a fraction of the value.
---Trav on 12/4/14


Back to the question.. Why should church property be tax exempt?
---NurseRobert on 12/4/14

Many organizations that are not churches are tax exempt.

Organizations such as Americorp are tax exempt. 12 Step Fellowships, Fraternities, and Veterans Organizations are also tax exempt.

I know of no person that wants their church to be ran as a for-profit business.

Now then, the question I ask of you is why do you want churches to pay taxes?
---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/14


Trav, You forget that people who donate to the church also get to take it off their taxes, so not only does the church benefit by not paying taxes on its property, but the members get a benefit for donating.

AKA, any religion will legislate it's creed into law if it has the political power to do so. Then do we have a state sponsored religion?

"Persecution is not an original feature in any religion, but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law."
Thomas Paine

Back to the question.. Why should church property be tax exempt?
---NurseRobert on 12/4/14


The misunderstood and misapplied concept of separation of church and state has been debated and established in various degrees from the time of antiquity.

The modern concept is often credited to John Locke's principles of the social contract.

T. Jefferson in his letter to the Danbury Baptist association writes "the wall of ...".

The concept means that the state should not have the authority to establish a state run religion. It does not say that religion should not play a part in the the state.
---aka on 12/4/14


...church should stay out of politics.
Tell me, why should churches be tax exempt?
---NurseRobert on 12/3/14

Churches are houses where GOD's people worship collectively. The people have already been taxed (overtaxed)...do you tax them again for gathering? Taxing already taxed money providing less money for any charitable work...they should do. (Should do)
You're for this?
Politics? Any Christian that can't discern scripturally abominable in office or for office wouldn't vote that way anyway. Moot point.
Leave the non-discerning "ekklesia".
Do C-boxes create a product for profit?
Tax the profit. Tax the $50.00 baptismal towel having a 100% markup. Christ whipped this type for our understanding.
---Trav on 12/4/14




It is the seperation of church and state.
---shira4368 on 12/2/14

Then the church should stay out of politics.

Tell me, why should churches be tax exempt?
---NurseRobert on 12/3/14


Our taxes go to operate the Government.

Freedom of speech is a right we have based on the Constitution. Sometimes the Government had to protect people's right to free speck but the right is ours period.

But a pastor who begins to meddle in politics has crossed the line from free speech to Political speech.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/3/14


The constitution guarantees us freedom of speech and freedom from the government to stay out of church' business. It is the seperation of church and state.
---shira4368 on 12/2/14


==and they should, just not at the taxpayers expense...
---NurseRobert on 12/1/14==

Do your taxes go to pay for my freedom of speech, NurseRobert?

I doubt it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/14


I just said they should have freedom of speech.
---shira4368 on 11/28/14

and they should, just not at the taxpayers expense...
---NurseRobert on 12/1/14




\\'Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.' \\

Best way out of this dilemma is make sure you have nothing that belongs to Caesar!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/30/14


In Australia the tax exempt status of churches has much to do with helping towards the charitable services churches offer to the needy.

For governments to remove tax exempt status for churches then they'll make these charitable services less affordable, thus harming the needy. The government must then provide for the shortfall they themselves created.

Tax exempt status should not mean churches lose freedom of speech.
But, that is gradually happening thanks to the totalitarian Left introducing politically correct, twisted laws on so called "hate speech" that is all about enforcing liberal/Left ideologies.

Thus we see that the Left is gradually forcing their twisted politics into churches.

---Haz27 on 11/29/14


LEON: //Paying Taxes to Caesar:

"... 'Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.' And they were amazed at Him." Mark 12:16-17 //

The Lord was not preaching politics. HE was approached by those who wanted to trap Him with a question (whether to pay tax to the government of the day).
A question & answer session cannot be equal to preaching partisan-politics directly from the Pulpit.
---Adetunji on 11/29/14


nurse Robert I know about the non exempt status of churches and how they loose. I just said they should have freedom of speech.
---shira4368 on 11/28/14


Shira and Leon - I left a church because they were preaching, on a regular basis, politics. There was even one Pastor who went into local politics after stating that at one time as a Christian he had believed it was wrong. The church has backslidden so badly .. It horrifies me. I wonder where in the Bible that the apostle Paul preached politics from the pulpit ... Anyone?
---helen4633 on 11/28/14


The church owns the home. Normally if he dies, yes, his wife should move out. Who knows?

Leon and Shira, perhaps you should learn the law regarding tax exemption for churches. Yes, the pastor should be able to preach what they want, but they should lose their tax exempt status if they are preaching partisan politics.

Spend some time looking at tax exempt status for churches.
---NurseRobert on 11/28/14


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Politics have no place whatsoever in the pulpit. Jesus never preached politics, He preached sin & salvation & He is to be our role model at all times. Repent you false teachers.
---HELEN_4633 on 11/27/14

Paying Taxes to Caesar:

"They brought one. And He said to them, 'Whose likeness and inscription is this?' And they said to Him, 'Caesar's.' And Jesus said to them, 'Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.' And they were amazed at Him." Mark 12:16-17
---Leon on 11/28/14


\\Look up topic 417 - Earning for Clergy. It states: "The fair rental value of a parsonage or the housing allowance is excludable only for income tax purposes." \\

Thanks for the info. Does this mean it's taxable for FICA (Social Security)?

And does JO's church own the home? If so, that means that his widow would have to move out of it if he died and they got a new pastor.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/28/14


---Cluny on 11/26/14

Look up topic 417 - Earning for Clergy. It states: "The fair rental value of a parsonage or the housing allowance is excludable only for income tax purposes."
This topic excludes a lot that would normally be taxable for you and I.

Churches don't pay property tax on any of their property, including Joel Olsteen's $10.2 million house..



---NurseRobert on 11/28/14


Helen, in the old testament, God chose kings and when the people chose other kings they went against what God wanted, the people turned to worshiping other gods. It is very important that politics should be a big part of a believers life.
---shira4368 on 11/28/14


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Politics have no place whatsoever in the pulpit. Jesus never preached politics, He preached sin and salvation and He is to be our role model at all times. Repent you false teachers.
---HELEN_4633 on 11/27/14


\"I think preachers should be able to preach partisan politics from the pulpit. ..."
---NurseRobert on 11/26/14\\

NO, we do not have this example in the Lord Jesus Christ who is really The Preacher preaching through all God-led human-preachers.
---Adetunji on 11/27/14


\\"I think preachers should be able to preach partisan politics from the pulpit. They should also give up their tax exempt status when they do.."
---NurseRobert on 11/26/14\\

Contrary to what many people think, clergy are NOT tax exempt.

They must pay income tax.

If a residence (parsonage, rectory, pastorium) is provided, then they must pay income tax on the fair market rental of it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/26/14


leon, you are absolutely correct. nurse Robert is wrong. where is the freedom of speech especially from the pulpit. the freedom of speech does not specify any particular person that does not have as much freedom of speech as another especially when its preached accordingly to the bible.
---shira4368 on 11/26/14


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"I think preachers should be able to preach partisan politics from the pulpit. They should also give up their tax exempt status when they do.."
---NurseRobert on 11/26/14


NR: I believe preachers should be able to preach whatever the Bible teaches without any governmental (federal, state or local) provisions placed upon them.
---Leon on 11/26/14


I think preachers should be able to preach partisan politics from the pulpit. They should also give up their tax exempt status when they do..
---NurseRobert on 11/26/14


Trav: I wonder if Leon thinks that Hitler was ordained of God and was to be submitted to.
Come to think of it, there are a lot of similarities between Hitler and Obama.
---jerry6593 on 11/26/14

Exactly alike considering rev wrong's influence on him for over 20 yrs. Poser is supposed to be a servant instead of a disgusting Caesar.
It is the smallest scriptural misunderstandings in scripture that can make the biggest differences.

Even the simplest words like "and" and "but"...can illuminate a false teaching.

Leon ...Hitler ordained by GOD?
---Trav on 11/26/14


Leon: 'Less and less does the government or ......'

You must remember that Romans, from which you quoted, was written not that long before Paul was executed just for being a Christian.

While now is not a good time, no, we should remember that there have been worse times in the past.
---Peter on 11/26/14


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Trav: I wonder if Leon thinks that Hitler was ordained of God and was to be submitted to. Does he think that we made a mistake by kicking Germany's butt in WWII? Come to think of it, there are a lot of similarities between Hitler and Obama.



---jerry6593 on 11/26/14


Let every person be subject to the governing authorities...For rulers [aren't] a terror to good conduct, but to bad. ...for [he's] God's servant for your good. ... For [he's] the servant of God,...Ro. 13:1-7 ESV
---Leon on 11/21/14

Less and less does the government or Denomination today fulfill scripture of, "terror to the bad", "servant to the good" or "servant to GOD" marks or signs above.
Prostrate your own self to the unholy...elected in church or outside of.
For me and mine we'll look to, GOD, Christ, David, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abedego.
And pray about the imposters over GOD's people.
Isa 32:6-7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices...
---Trav on 11/24/14


Let every person be subject to the governing authorities...[there's] no authority except from God, & those that exist have been instituted by God...whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, & those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers [aren't] a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one [who's] in authority? Then do [what's] good, & [you'll] receive his approval, for [he's] God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he [doesn't] bear the sword in vain. For [he's] the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. [So] one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. Ro. 13:1-7 ESV
---Leon on 11/21/14


Politics do not belong in the pulpit. Yes there can be one or two moral issues that should be voted on.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/17/14


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And Trav, as St. Paul said in Philippians, I count what you say as BUT DUNG.
---Cluny on 11/14/14


Good deal, have put them in the right out-house. Save some for your tree. Bear a fig for us.

Luk 13:8 he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
Luk 13:9 if it bear fruit, well: if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Job 20:12 Though wickedness be sweet in his mouth, though he hide it under his tongue,

---Trav on 11/17/14


Jerry, A news article from one of our few conservative media.
Tony Abbott (our conservative prime minister) fortunately has refused to add to Obama's delusional Global Green Climate fund.

And as chair of the G20, he (Tony Abbott) succeeded in ensuring global economic growth and job creation was at the top of the final declaration yesterday, delivering a blow to Mr Obamas attempts to elevate climate change to a first order issue of the world leaders meeting.
In one of the rare instances of an Australian leader standing up to a US President on a major policy issue, Mr Abbott refused to allow the final communiqu to include a binding requirement that all G20 nations commit to the Green Climate Fund announced by Mr Obama
---Haz27 on 11/16/14


Jerry. Obama hijacked the G20 meeting (which was meant to focus on growth, jobs, and also stopping tax avoidance by multinationals), with his Climate Change doomsday myth.

Hopefully your congress can undo the damage Obama has caused.

Our deluded leftists loved Obama, and as they dominate the mainstream media their deceitful propaganda on Climate change became the main news event so as to manipulate us on how the Left want us to think.

Although most thinking Australians suspect that Climate Change is a con, we get little alternative views on what the leftist dominated media want us to believe. Australians are shut out of the debate by our leftist dominated media and politicians.
---Haz27 on 11/16/14


Haz: Sorry about your soil being desecrated by our L-in-C. He chose to go to China to betray us with the carbon tax while we Americans were celebrating our Veteran's Day - a national holiday in which we show appreciation to our military personnel. He also is the only president since WWII to be absent from the D-Day Memorial in Normandy - For 5 consecutive years!

Man-made Global Warming (now called Climate Change) is a complete political hoax. It grew out of the Green Party in Europe (which sprang from Communism). We joke here about the so-called "scientists" who can't predict the weather accurately for 3 days in advance, yet claim to be able to predict the global temperature accurately 100 years from now.

---jerry6593 on 11/16/14


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\\Clearly the global warming hype is just another lie, especially as data shows no global warming for past 16 years.
---Haz27 on 11/15/14
\\

Global warming takes place on Mars, though there are no people there upon whom to blame it.

I remember in the late 70's, people were talking about global COOLING and even the mags wondered if we were headed for another ice age.

How does the present period of extra cold weather throughout the nation fit into the global warming model?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/15/14


Jerry, your "liar in chief" is here in my home city of Brisbane. He gave a speech to some of the gullible at a local liberal dominated university.

He even boasted about the deal he struck with China on reducing emissions. Seems like a dumb deal where USA is to increase energy costs for US industry, etc, to reduce emissions, whilst China profits from cheap coal energy thus greatly increasing their emissions, for next 16 years.

Seems the global warming doomsayers like Obama are not concerned by China's massive increase of emissions. Clearly the global warming hype is just another lie, especially as data shows no global warming for past 16 years.
---Haz27 on 11/15/14


Jerry...avoid the extreme. His wife fits into 5 he category of anything.
---aka on 11/15/14


I would endorse Sarah Palin for president. She has more guts than any liberal male candidate. I also liked Maggie Thatcher. Anything would be preferable to our current Liar-in-Chief.


---jerry6593 on 11/15/14


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And Trav, as St. Paul said in Philippians, I count what you say as BUT DUNG.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/14/14


BTW, Trav, while I have said I have no personal objections to a woman president, this is NOT the same thing as "endorsing women for president".

However, I don't expect you to be able to distinguish these ideas.
---Cluny on 11/14/14

Ha...as posted. You expected and hoped nobody could distinguish your "ideas" vagueness.
When you won't stand for something you'll fall for anything. Who knows which way the wind will blow you? You're lukewarm, all over the board.

Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Psa_119:128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right, and I hate every false way.
---Trav on 11/14/14


BTW, Trav, while I have said I have no personal objections to a woman president, this is NOT the same thing as "endorsing women for president".

However, I don't expect you to be able to distinguish these ideas.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/14/14


Why not? In the USA we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion (or at least we used to). Truth is truth, even if it offends someone's political sensibilities. Most politicians on the left are totally immoral while preaching political correctness. What hypocrites.


---jerry6593 on 11/14/14


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\\Orthodox priest stripping for the ?tg's calendar, (Have you ordered yours? )\\

I don't know what you're talking about. Can you be more specific, please?

\\$50.00 baptismal towels. \\

I've already explained about this. I've never seen them in real life. Every Orthodox baptism I've seen in the last 4 decades I've been Orthodox has had the Godparents bring the towels.

\\You endorse women for president but, not as a priest. \\

Where has the Orthodox church endorsed a woman for president?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/13/14


STEVENG / TRAV: Be afraid ... no lawyer shall be able to save you from His anger.
---Adetunji on 11/13/14

There is no fear in precepts here.
Do not translate your fear as all mens fear. You do not represent all churches. You haven't even represented yours or Christ.
Your warning is not scriptural. There is no scripture posted.
You feel rebuked and should.

Psalm 119:128
Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right, and I hate every false way.
Precepts, precepts,precepts.
---Trav on 11/13/14


Orthodoxy doesn't follow the fashionable ideologies of the world.
May I remind you when the self-styled... asked Jesus a question, He challenged them to answer His first?
---Cluny on 11/13/14

You may and I'll remind you that you are not Christ.
You guys are the latest fashion it appears. Orthodox priest stripping for the ?tg's calendar, (Have you ordered yours? )$50.00 baptismal towels. You endorse women for president but, not as a priest.
Just wondered which of two confused faces you represent...orthodox and unorthodox. You've answered all my questions except your Calendar.
(No wonder protestants...protested with their feet. Themselves understanding, seeing basic milk scripture)

---Trav on 11/13/14


\\Orthodox don't allow female priest, high priest for 20 centuries? Doesn't this chafe you?\\

No, why should it? Orthodoxy doesn't follow the fashionable ideologies of the world.

And what do you mean by "high priest for 20 centuries"?

May I remind you when the self-styled Bible experts, the Travs, if you will, asked Jesus a question, He challenged them to answer His first?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/13/14


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STEVENG / TRAV: Be afraid of the Lord in the denominations you are always castigating.
While the human beings in them may do nothing about your -ve comments, the Lord that you are also talking against can decide to punish you & no lawyer shall be able to save you from His anger.
---Adetunji on 11/13/14


By what scriptural authority do you reject auricular confession? I'll answer your question if you answer mine first.
\\Merchandising Christ, goes a bit past tacky. \\
I don't know what you mean by this. Do you?
Of course, protestant Christian bookstores never sell pious junk, do they?
---Cluny on 11/12/14

I asked first but, scripturally suspected you'd be uncomfortable answering. "Cutting edge" articles, more informative anyway.
You're smart Cluny...you did know what I meant. You answered in your question. Protestant bookstores are worse if there is a measurement. Was Judas in error at any amount?
Orthodox don't allow female priest, high priest for 20 centuries? Doesn't this chafe you?
---Trav on 11/13/14


Asuming you & Steveng are 2 different persons...
Can the Spirit of the Lord fight Itself?
---Adetunji on 11/12/14

You won't/can't answer Posted questions,...why?
What denomination are you so proud of that you cannot post it??
Fair is...assuming you are multiple people...
I didn't/don't see the spirit of the Lord in your attacking a singular professing Christian. Or false witness against me. Are you false?
Searching Truth or Sheep is self energizing.
Isa_26:2 Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.
Isa 59:4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies, they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
---Trav on 11/12/14


\\2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Jesus and the apostles taught from scripture. What scripture were they teaching from since the NT did not exist? What scripture were the Bereans searching?
---Steveng on 11/11/14\\

What Scriptures, OT or NT, are quoted in our three founding documents?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/14


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TRAV: //Joh_3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God---Trav on 11/11/14//

Asuming you & Steveng are 2 different persons, is criticizing denominational churches part of the great commission of the Lord?
Why do you dissipate so much energy in attacking other children of God?
Or is it another contrary spirit that is working in you two?
Can the Spirit of the Lord fight Itself?
---Adetunji on 11/12/14


aka wrote: "the US was based on principles that are a mish-mash of the OT and NT. you might call them judeo-christian, which is "oxymoronic.""

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Jesus and the apostles taught from scripture. What scripture were they teaching from since the NT did not exist? What scripture were the Bereans searching?
---Steveng on 11/11/14


It looks to me as if STEVENG & TRAV are the same person.
Anytime I raise any objection to whatever Steveng writes, it is Trav that fires back angrily.
---Adetunji on 11/11/14

Now ya twouldn't be playing another form of politics here would ya? U looking for help?
I like Steveng stand... and his Church and his right to his gathering supported in scripture. He is not alone against you. While we are two different people I support his position. Were the questions too truthful for you?
Just answer them instead of resorting to deflective tactics.
Joh_3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
---Trav on 11/11/14


christian principles and the teachings of christ are not always the same.

the US was based on principles that are a mish-mash of the OT and NT. you might call them judeo-christian, which is "oxymoronic."

as jesus said, bad cannot come from good and vice versa.
---aka on 11/11/14


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"It looks to me as if STEVENG & TRAV are the same person. Anytime I raise any objection to whatever Steveng writes, it is Trav that fires back angrily."
---Adetunji on 11/11/14


Split (multiple) personality? Hmmmm, very interesting! There seems to be a lot of deviant double-mindedness on these blogs.
---Leon on 11/11/14


It looks to me as if STEVENG & TRAV are the same person.
Anytime I raise any objection to whatever Steveng writes, it is Trav that fires back angrily.
---Adetunji on 11/11/14


If our foundation is Christian, can you provide one quote from the NT in our three founding documents?
---Cluny on 11/10/14

The documents are are legal, guidelines, enforced in a 80% Christian Country. People are the foundation, walls, doors and covering of a nation. Christian here. For while yet.
I agree with the writers mostly. I don't want an unorthodox Cluny Gov Church, with a Cluny priest controlling any aspect life or religion.
Tom J said it best:
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
Thomas Jefferson
---Trav on 11/11/14


If an issue that affects the church is advocated that is one thing. But politics in general the church needs to avoid.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/10/14


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\\In America...our foundation is Christian.\\

If our foundation is Christian, can you provide one quote from the NT in our three founding documents?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/10/14


I'v only heard Pastors say, it's that time of the yr for political mudslinging.
---Lawrence on 11/10/14


Depends on the politic is question. Economic system, build this item or not, go to war against somebody, no that should not be discussed. However if it is a moral issue that the Bible does speak about that yes you should. ...
---Scott1 on 11/10/14

Good answer.
In America...our foundation is Christian. One would expect our Politics to be reflective. They have been, reflecting our collective belief in Christ.
They are becoming increasingly obvious what we as a Christian country and Church are neglecting to discuss or vote on. We allowed what what King Solomon allowed... everything, anything. History repeats, we've learned bleating nothing in the bleating sheep pens or sheep book. Dogs surround
---Trav on 11/10/14


Steveng: Should you be allowed to continue to play politics against denominational churches on this website ?
---Adetunji on 11/10/14


Where is he playing politics? Describe it.

Should you be allowed to play denominational politics against a testifying Christian on this website?

From this side of the globe, the same judgmental question applies to you.

What is your denomination you are politically defending? Or do you defend all denominations?
How about an Atheist?
---Trav on 11/10/14


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Steveng: Should you be allowed to continue to play politics against denominational churches on this website ?
---Adetunji on 11/10/14


Depends on the politic is question. Economic system, build this item or not, go to war against somebody, no that should not be discussed. However if it is a moral issue that the Bible does speak about that yes you should. However the Church has done this poorly sometimes in which we speak to the person committing the sin and not the sin itself.
---Scott1 on 11/10/14


\\Do you even read the bible about denominations and how true religion is defined?||

Nowhere in the Bible is the word "denomination" used, much less defined.

In any case, the Bible is an Orthodox book, not one belonging to the worldly denominational Church of Steveng, so you are in no position to tell me how to use it.

And Jesus told me to tell you that I did NOT prick His heart. YOU do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/14


Cluny wrote: "Obviously, I've pricked you to the heart."

On the contrary, you have pricked Jesus' heart.

Cluny wrote: "It might be a denomination of just one congregation, but it's still denominational."

Do you even read the bible about denominations and how true religion is defined?

Cluny wrote: "You really protest too much."

Spreading gossip again, eh? It seems you don't know me as well as you think to make such a statement.
---Steveng on 11/9/14


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Obviously, I've pricked you to the heart.

Denying that the Church of Steveng is a worldly denominational church will not stop it from being one.

It might be a denomination of just one congregation, but it's still denominational.

You really protest too much.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/14


Cluny wrote: "Is politics not preached from the pulpit of YOUR worldly denominational church, Steveng?"

After years of rebuking you, you're still spreading gossip and lies, Cluny? Apparently you have not been able to control your lying tongue and written words. Double shame on you. You should commit yourself to speaking what is right and true (Proverbs 8:6-8, Exodus 20:16, Eph. 4:25, Proverbs 12:22). All lying is of the devil, the father of all lies (John 8:44). Lying will be punished (Proverbs 13:3, 19:9). Repent of your deeds and may the Lord have mercy on your soul. Remember the ninth commandment.
---Steveng on 11/9/14


The only politics that should be preached from the pulpit is to encourage folks to vote. To endorse a particular party or person should NOT be preached or an opinion given by anyone from the pulpit or addressed to the congregation.
---wivv on 11/8/14


No they should not !! I hate that,the pulpit is for the bringing of the Word of God. We are to go and tell the Gospel of Jesus,not go tell the church who or the Party the preacher thinks we should vote for. It is a misuse of the Pulpit to bring politics and not the Gospel. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 11/8/14


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I don't believe preachers should use their pulpit authority to endorse individual political candidates & sway their congregants to vote their way. Church worship services should be devoted solely to praising & worshiping God, not politicians. If candidates show up in church to truly honor God I think that's commendable & should speak to the character of the person.

I believe preachers should have the Christian conviction & moral integrity to speak to "political issues", from a biblical worldview, that affect the well-being of our nation & world at large. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees all citizens the right to Freedom of Speech.
---Leon on 11/8/14


Is politics not preached from the pulpit of YOUR worldly denominational church, Steveng?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/8/14


No, politics should not, deliberately, be a part of anyone's sermon but human nature, being what it is, means that it will sneak in now and again.

If you ever hear a sermon, which seems to be pushing a particular agenda, I believe that the listeners should have the right to challenge the preacher (in public if necessary) but wisdom would be needed in handling this.
---Rita_H on 11/8/14


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