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How do you know that God exists? If you say you know that through the bible, which is God's word, isn't that circular reasoning?

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//There's a great deal of difference between what you think the Gospel is and what the Bible says it is.//

How could Paul explain it any better?
1 Cor 15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you THE GOSPEL WHICH I PREACHED unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 11/18/14


...I've given where you can find it.
Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex predicandi.
---Cluny on 11/18/14

You have no scripture? Boasting orthodoc's is the only "gospel"? Advising where to send others but can share truth revelations yourself??? You cannot even describe it in English.
Peek a boo...we see you...hiding behind your priest's latin-satin, robes.
Rom_10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Isa_53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
Isa 61:8 For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering, I will direct their work in truth, I will make an everlasting covenant with them.
---Trav on 11/18/14


\\So, enlighten us, Cluny, about your take of the gospel?
---Steveng on 11/17/14\\

I've given where you can find it.

Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex predicandi.

But it got rejected by someone who thinks she's spiritually minded.

Simple doesn't mean simple-minded.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/18/14


Cluny. Most of us here have no hesitation in proclaiming the gospel. Like Paul, we're "not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes", Rom 1:16.

But you make every effort not to proclaim it.You boast you have the truth and that we non-Orthodox don't. Well if you think you have the truth why not let your light shine. Don't hide it under a bushel, if in fact you have the light.

Or are you afraid you'll be exposed for making a false allegation?

The topic is nearing it's 75 post limit. If your not ashamed of the gospel then better proclaim your alleged superior gospel while you can. If you've got nothing to hide, that is.
---Haz27 on 11/18/14


Cluny wrote: "There's a great deal of difference between what you think the Gospel is and what the Bible says it is."

So, enlighten us, Cluny, about your take of the gospel?
---Steveng on 11/17/14




\\Cluny. I hope you don't also offer the gospel to the lost by telling them to read some liturgy\\

There's a great deal of difference between what you think the Gospel is and what the Bible says it is.

Besides, I didn't know you thought you were logt.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/17/14


Cluny. I hope you don't also offer the gospel to the lost by telling them to read some liturgy. The gospel is not complicated. Remember 2Cor 11:3, simplicity that is in Christ.

So are you able to give us BCV telling us this gospel that you claim is superior to what we non-Orthodox Christians preach?

It's good you're pro life. But I still think your better option was to not vote at all when both political parties are bad, rather than vote for the one that endorses abortion.

It's recognized that the main conservative parties have mostly succumb to the Left's control and abuse of public debate through their dominance of media, universities, etc. that's why so many conservative voters turn to Tea Party, or UKIP, etc.
---Haz27 on 11/17/14


I was named as a defendant in a $39 MILLION lawsuit because of my pro-life activities.
---Cluny on 11/17/14


Being a defendant. What's that weigh out for you, a couple thousand babies? Making it ok to vote the other way next time? Hey its your tug of conscience heart vote.
You voted your heart and posted it. Feels better don't it to finally come out a little? Come all the way.

A lawsuit that I believe you said was dropped. Funny, it doesn't come up online for verification.
Luk 11:36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.
---Trav on 11/17/14


\\How impressive!...only that you'd admit it. Yeah...pro-life as strong as your vote. \\

I was named as a defendant in a $39 MILLION lawsuit because of my pro-life activities.

How about YOU, Trav?

And I don't see how any Republican presidents lately have done ANYTHING to stop pre-natal infanticide.

Remember Roe vs Wade was decided by a REPUBLICAN court.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/17/14


(2 Timothy 2:23-26) )
Avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. ...
---David on 11/15/14

A viable scripture. Also see there is a season for everything and everything in it's time.
Ecc_3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
1Ti_5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
2Ti_4:2 Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Tit_1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,
Pro_8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
---Trav on 11/17/14




... I voted for the Democratic candidate, even though I'm strongly pro-life, because I felt that the other major candidate would be harmful to the country.
---Cluny on 11/16/14

How impressive!...only that you'd admit it. Yeah...pro-life as strong as your vote. Unreal.
In your words it's better to sacrifice tens of thousands of "innocents", fetuses, unborn babies to defer a self presumed/assumed unknown harm to geographic area called "the country". Compared to hourly/daily reality death.
You boast of trading babies for dollars/economics.
You compassionate wisdom is heart wringing. We all owe you...economic gratitude $$$ you'd say?

Psa_127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: ...
---Trav on 11/17/14


\\BTW, I suggest you offer the alleged Orthodox "truth" here directly, quoting BCV. \\

In other words, you're not going to do what I suggested.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/17/14


//
Haz, that seems simple enough.There are no requirements that I be a conservative politically or that I believe in the literalness of the Genesis creation story. I don't have to tithe and I don't have to follow any church rules or regulations. That's all very cool. Thank you.

---learner2 on 11/15/14
//


That's right! You can also CHOOSE to sin all you want. Of course, there will be a judgment and consequences later.


---jerry6593 on 11/17/14


One can always submit a blank ballot.
---learner2 on 11/16/14


Cluny. I understand that in USA you have the choice to not vote. If true then I would have thought that would have been the best option rather than vote for one of 2 bad parties.

In Australia we are legally obligated to vote. This helps the major political parties earn taxpayer funded returns for each vote they get.

BTW, I suggest you offer the alleged Orthodox "truth" here directly, quoting BCV. Leon and I have been able to share our understanding of the gospel here on CN. It's not so complicated that one has to read some "Divine litergy".

If this litergy is no different to what Billy Graham said then why your allegation that we non-Orthodox preach "traditions and precepts of men"?
---Haz27 on 11/16/14


\\Any Christians who vote liberal encourage this with their vote.\\

I will say what I've said before.

EVERYONE, even the select gathering of people on these blogs, is liberal in some ways and conservative in others.

In one recent election (not the most recent), I voted for the Democratic candidate, even though I'm strongly pro-life, because I felt that the other major candidate would be harmful to the country.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/16/14


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\\ I've found many from mainstream churches like Orthodox don't even know what the gospel message is. \\

There's a big deal of difference between what YOU think the Gospel message and what the BIBLE says the gospel message is.

We Orthodox teach the Bible's version, not traditions and precepts of men like you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/15/14


What do you think the Gospel message actually is?
---learner2 on 11/15/14


Learner: Despite Cluny's as usual psycho-babble, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is "good news" to people willing to believe it. It is the power of God that provides salvation, from eternal death in sin, to any one who believes in Jesus as Savior & Lord.
---Leon on 11/16/14


learner2. Christ's commandments we keep are in 1John 3:23:
1:Believe on Jesus
2:Love one another.

Love does no ill to another. Love also forgives 7x70, which we certainly need considering our failings, misunderstandings, etc.

BTW, as others here have stated, neither side of politics represents God. But it is hard to imagine why any Christian would side in any way with liberals considering they're at the forefront endorsing murder/abortion of thousands of babies per day in USA alone. Any Christians who vote liberal encourage this with their vote. Such Christians should reconsider the facts and perhaps avoid voting altogether, out of love for others, rather than placing a vote that encourages the murder of babies.

---Haz27 on 11/16/14


There's a big deal of difference between what YOU think the Gospel message and what the BIBLE says the gospel message is.

We Orthodox teach the Bible's version, not traditions and precepts of men like you.
---Cluny on 11/15/14

Like Haz rebukes, teach it then. In retrospect you cannot or would have over the years to all.
Your passionless opinion, is not even "hot air", just lukewarm bigotry of ancient origin.

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
---Trav on 11/16/14


\\Give us BCV showing this "truth" that you allege we non-Orthdox Christians lack. Let your light shine and don't hide it under a bushel, if in fact Orthodoxy has the light.
---Haz27 on 11/15/14
\\

A good place to find out the Bible's version of the Gospel message is to look up a good translation of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom.

The anaphora, or prayer of consecration over the bread and wine, is even built around John 3:16.

Just make sure you have a COMPLETE version. Some of them on line omit a lot of prayers formerly recited quietly.

BTW, I'm saying nothing about the Divine Liturgy that Billy Graham himself did not say after he had read it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/16/14


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Haz, that seems simple enough.There are no requirements that I be a conservative politically or that I believe in the literalness of the Genesis creation story. I don't have to tithe and I don't have to follow any church rules or regulations. That's all very cool. Thank you.
---learner2 on 11/15/14


learner2. Sadly many in mainstream churches cannot answer your question.

Rom 1:16 the gospel of Christ, for IT IS THE POWER OF GOD TO SALVATION FOR EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES

2Tim 1:9-10 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel

Believe on Jesus and have life everlasting, John 3:16.
confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved Rom 10:9
---Haz27 on 11/15/14


Cluny, you said
We Orthodox teach the Bible's version, not traditions and precepts of men like you.

Here's your chance to offer the so called "truth" of Orthodox doctrine. We don't want anymore meaningless Orthodox boasts that you have the truth and we don't.

Give us BCV showing this "truth" that you allege we non-Orthdox Christians lack. Let your light shine and don't hide it under a bushel, if in fact Orthodoxy has the light.
---Haz27 on 11/15/14


\\ I've found many from mainstream churches like Orthodox don't even know what the gospel message is. \\

There's a big deal of difference between what YOU think the Gospel message and what the BIBLE says the gospel message is.

We Orthodox teach the Bible's version, not traditions and precepts of men like you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/15/14


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What do you think the Gospel message actually is?
---learner2 on 11/15/14


Cluny, I agree most are ignorant of what their churches teach. I've found many from mainstream churches like Orthodox don't even know what the gospel message is.

Yet their leaders argue that these followers who don't know the gospel message, are Heaven bound simply because they're members of the "true" church.

Churches such as Orthodox often rely upon repeating a claim to have true doctrine. But such boasts are a meaningless call to put ones trust in Orthodoxy without question.

I suggest you actually offer this alleged "true" doctrine, with BCV, so we here on CN can check Orthodoxys "truth".

Does Orthodoxy say we Christians who reject their "truth" will be saved?
---Haz27 on 11/15/14


BTW, Haz, I think that most Christians are ignorant of what their churches officially teach.

It's not limited just to Orthodoxy, and I never said it wasn't found there. I never claimed we all glowed in the dark like St. Seraphim of Sarov.

But the DOCTRINES are true, and it was originally founded by Christ.
---Cluny on 11/14/14


Cluny. You limit your view far too much in thinking that Christ's church is a particular physical church headed by man.

I agree with others here that Christians will be found in various brands of mans diverse range of churches. I currently go to an AOG type church, but I have attended many different churches. None of mans churches have the right to claim to be the one true church.

If you want to give Jesus the glory then trust in him, and not in mans deluded claims to be the one true church.
---Haz27 on 11/15/14


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(2 Timothy 2:23-26) )
Avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.


Arguments close minds, God inspired questions, open minds. That's why Jesus always questioned, and never argued.
---David on 11/15/14


Johan: Let's try a little logic. We can agree that we exist, can't we? This implies a first cause. Even if you believe the unsubstantiated conjecture called Evolution, there is still no sound explanation for the origin of first life. All reputable scientists and mathematicians (including evolutionists) agree that abiogenesis (life from non-life) is impossible. Yet we are here! So if life does arise from natural causes, then it must come from a supernatural source, and that source is God.


---jerry6593 on 11/15/14


Cluny* The Romanists believe in an infallible pope who has the sole right to give authoritative interpretations of Scripture.

So does Early Church Farhers (Both East & West) and Jesus himself scriptures backs up these claims..

BTW- What does it mean when Orthodoxy say the Pope is " First among equals" ?


Cluny* Protestants believe in the infallible individual believer who alone has the right to give authoritative interpretations of Scripture.

If Jesus and the Apostles taught infallible and to pass it on, who does Orthodoxy turn too?


Cluny * That's why there's so much chaos in Protestantism.

Using the word 'Romanists' is what many anti-Catholics use, just saying!:)
---Ruben on 11/15/14


\\But, Orthodoxy, RCC, JW's, and other cults boast about THEIR claim to being the "true" church.\\

Don't you think that YOUR church is the "true church"?

If not why do you bother about going to it?

According to Christ's own words, it's going to be out there somewhere.

And if you try to separate the head (Christ) from the body (the Church), there is no life in either.

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/14/14


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Cluny.
Christians boast about Christ.

But, Orthodoxy, RCC, JW's, and other cults boast about THEIR claim to being the "true" church.

Interestingly an Orthodox priest admitted to me that their followers typically know very little of scripture. Much like the RCC. Yet both these churches claim their typically ignorant followers are Christians simply because of their membership of the "true" church. They may not know the gospel but apparently membership of an alleged "true" church gets you to Heaven.

Orthodoxys claims are nothing more than mans desire to maintain their power/authority.

If you truly want to give glory to Jesus, trust in him instead of mans boasts in Orthodoxy.
---Haz27 on 11/14/14


\\Your foundation tenets are the same.\\

So are those of Roman Catholicism and Protestantism.

The Romanists believe in an infallible pope who has the sole right to give authoritative interpretations of Scripture.

Protestants believe in the infallible individual believer who alone has the right to give authoritative interpretations of Scripture.

I frankly don't see a dime's worth of difference. You've merely substituted the infallible self for the infallible pope.

That's why there's so much chaos in Protestantism.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 11/14/14


Exo 20:3
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Jdg 10:13
Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.

Jer 25:6
And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands, and I will do you no hurt.

JESUS is GOD so we are to only have one GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/14/14


Just FYI, Roman Catholics may receive both the blessed wine and bread.
---learner2 on 11/14/14


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If you're going to criticize Orthodox practices, kathr, then criticize Orthodox practices, not RC practices and stick "orthodox" onto your object.

And where does the Bible say to confess to Christ alone? Since Sola Scriptura is your rule, give BCV, please.

James 5 is very clear about auricular confession being made to the Presbyters.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/14/14


kathr,
Are you so ignorant and prejudiced that you think that Orthodoxy is just a popeless form of Roman Catholicism?
---Cluny on 11/12/14

The same family...even if you don't acknowledge R.C.'s lovingly. You give a dimes worth difference.
Your foundation tenets are the same. Your wild child R.C. run away from home, adding a things along the way. R.C.'s probably larger as they are less picky than ortho's.
But, both are universal "Cath-olic.
You both, confess through priest.
Protestants confess through our High Priest, Christ.
Heb_9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building,
---Trav on 11/14/14


How do you know that God exists?-Johan

Johan
When I prayed to God, whom I didn't believe in when I said that pray, I simply asked for proof that he was there. I was seeking that proof in an answered prayer.

And he gave me that proof, by instantly answering that prayer. Now one could say, well that could have been coincidence. But then when a second prayer was answered, instantly, a week later. I knew there was a God.

My wife had these sores in her arm pit that were causing her so much pain, she was crying. She was looking at them in the mirror as I was praying for her many miles away, and she actually saw them disappear during this prayer.

Coincidence? I don't think so.
---David on 11/14/14


kathr, I know you asked this question elsewhere, but the blog is now filled up.

\\Cluny, since only your priests partakers of the blood on everyone's behalf, and not the little common people themselves, \\

Wrong again, kathr.

In the Orthodox Church, everyone receives in both Kinds (as the theological term says) from a golden spoon--even baptized infants.

With the youngest of these lambs, sometimes just a drop of the Precious Blood is given them.

Are you so ignorant and prejudiced that you think that Orthodoxy is just a popeless form of Roman Catholicism?

Fie!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/14


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aka, while my father and I founded a parish that is part of the OCA, I presently do not attend an OCA parish.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/14


\\Can a person bring a regular towel from home to an Orthodox baptism or is this uncouth? \\

Generally they are. Baptism is administered by immersion, even with infants.

\\Can this pretty $40.00 Orthodox towel be used for anything else afterwards? Can you take it home? \\

It would be preserved by the parents, or perhaps baptizand, as a keepsake. But it cannot be used for common purposes, as the baptismal water is especially blessed.

\\What profit margin does the Orthodox church usually mark up their towels and icons?\\

They are not usually sold by the church, but by other companies.

You're being tacky, Trav.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/14


However, the God of Christianity, Who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, can be known only by revelation, which would include the Bible.
---Cluny on 11/9/14

Would agree with you on this.

Have some Orthodox questions only you can answer.
Noticed the Orthodox $40.00 Baptismal Towel online for sale.
Can a person bring a regular towel from home to an Orthodox baptism or is this uncouth?
Can this pretty $40.00 Orthodox towel be used for anything else afterwards? Can you take it home?
What profit margin does the Orthodox church usually mark up their towels and icons?
Joh 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence, make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
---Trav on 11/12/14


//Are you trying to say Orthodox Church (singular) IN America, otherwise known as the OCA?// cluny

yes. thank you.

(i don't like posting on my phone because it changes things that can go undetected. i try to be as precise as i can. i realize the importance of in and of regarding this.)
---aka on 11/12/14


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Great testimony, David!
---Press_On on 11/12/14


\\Is your congregation part of the Orthodox Churches of America?
---aka on 11/11/14\\

There is no such canonical body.

Are you trying to say Orthodox Church (singular) IN America, otherwise known as the OCA?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/14


Thought I recognized another Thomas. Ha.-Trav

Travis
Though I believed in God without any doubt after these two events, it took me another 20 years to come to believe in Jesus Christ.

I came to believe in Jesus, when I ran out of my worldly inheritance, and Jesus took me out of the world. Meaning, the joy I have every day in my life, now comes from the Lord, and not from the things of this world.

People love money because it can buy them happiness. But take it from one who has money, the happiness money can buy, is short lived. Where as the Joy which I have found in the Lord, never runs out.

And since the Lord has released me from my love of money, it is very easy for me to give it to those in need.
---David on 11/12/14


Cluny, can you be clear since there are many types of Orthodox congregations...

Is your congregation part of the Orthodox Churches of America?
---aka on 11/11/14


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---David on 11/11/14

That is awesome David, so happy for you.
---Scott1 on 11/11/14


BTW, in what language were these written.

Pilate himself spoke Latin, Greek, and Aramaic.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/14


\\The historical documents I saw forty years ago mentioned the same details as written in the New Testament.
---Steveng on 11/10/14\\

And just where did you see these historical documents?

Where are they normally kept? By whom?

Why did the custodians let you at them?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/14


Trav, the deity of Jesus Christ is something we know by revelation, not from Roman secular records.
---Cluny on 11/10/14

I caught your point...seems you missed mine. Your stop point view is fine, for you. Others see additional witnesses. Like what did the Anti Christ and Romans record and think.
There is night and there is day. One does not understand one without the other.
Orthodoc'd ignorance? Ironically, per your liberated unortho witness, a place where, ignorance may just be a blessing if orthodox is you.
What Icons do you guys sell in your gift shop?? New Covenant Testaments? Crosses?
P.S. Online Ortho $40.00 Baptismal bath towel.
OK. Night and day...learning orthodoc.
---Trav on 11/11/14


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Twice, within a week, when I needed help, I prayed to a God I didn't believe in.
And both prayers were answered before I finished those prayers.
---David on 11/11/14

Thought I recognized another Thomas. Ha.
Thomas believed...he believed fully with multiple witnessing marks.
GOD wouldn't provide them if they weren't necessary and to be utilized.
Good name, David. Good story.
Joh_11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh_11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, ...
Joh_12:35 Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. ...
Joh_12:36 While ye have light, ...
---Trav on 11/11/14


Is it not better that we turn to Scripture (away from our opinions) to see what God considers to be His best evidence of His existence? Romans 1:20 is an example: "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."

What other Scripture says that God's existence is so obvious (in this instance via His creation) that people are "without excuse"?
---Warwick on 11/11/14


Twice, within a week, when I needed help, I prayed to a God I didn't believe in. And both prayers were answered before I finished those prayers.

In one, I asked God for money to pay a heating bill. The phone started ringing before I finished the prayer. The person on the phone, who had no idea of my need, was a friend offering to pay me to help him with his customer. The amount of his offer, was the exact amount of the heating bill.

The second was a prayer to heal my unbelieving wife, who was many miles away when I prayed for her. She called me later on, to tell me God had instantly healed her. It happened to coincide within the minutes of my prayer. It also made a believer out of her.
---David on 11/11/14


There is also the mention by Josephus a Jewish Roman historian.

But the main source is the Gospels and the New Testament.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/10/14


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Cluny wrote: "This would not be surprising, as it was a common enough name.
The existence of God, much less the deity of Jesus Christ is NOT something these secular records can prove."

Have you never been in a courtroom? Hundreds of cases of the same type of crime are brought before the judge. The difference between all these same types of cases are the details. Sure Roman courts/historical documents had probably a defendant named Jesus, but not the details. The historical documents I saw forty years ago mentioned the same details as written in the New Testament.
---Steveng on 11/10/14


Trav, the deity of Jesus Christ is something we know by revelation, not from Roman secular records.

This is the point I'm trying to make, which you are obviously missing.

And Orthodox have neither stained glass nor statues, so again you show your ignorance of Orthodoxy.

BTW, the only written mention of Jesus from Roman antiquity is a possible reference in Philo.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/10/14


Steveng, that a man named Jesus (Yeshua or similar transliteration)...
This would not be surprising, as it was a common enough name.
The existence of God, much less the deity of Jesus Christ is NOT something these secular records can prove.
---Cluny on 11/9/14

Well, depends on the witnesses one is looking for. Cluny or Pilate?
Pilate was secular...even you believe he spoke with Christ, its scriptural.
He was the only "YAHshua" doing recorded miracles. He is described by Pontius Pilate, in these records. His Appearance described is probably your stained glass or statue.
The world provides testimony backing the Scriptures. The scriptures give testimony of both.
You refuse...others use.
---Trav on 11/10/14


\\Shut up Loony! LOL
---Leon on 11/9/14\\

Again, I noticed that you cannot refute what I said, so you stoop to name calling and mockery.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/10/14


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Warwick, great passages you gave in Romans 1:19-20),
"Because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the thing that are made even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,"
All humans are without excuse, including those who do not believe in the Godhead. The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.
---Luke on 11/10/14


Yes, I know God exists, HE relates with others and HE relates with me. HE answers prayers, HE counsels, helps, supports, loves people and disciplines also.
---Adetunji on 11/10/14


that is why a personal testimony is so important. It allows you to remember what God has done for you in the past so that you can face the future.
---Scott1 on 11/10/14


"How do you know that God exists?" Life itself. Life springs from life and life has to have an origin. Nothing comes from nothing. What or who do you believe to be the originator Johan?
---joseph on 11/9/14


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Johan, I have prayed specifically for a result and had my prayers answered so specifically as to eliminate coincidence.

God also gives us a strong clue in Romans 1:20 saying that His creation is proof positive for His existence.

I have just seen the movie "Evolution's Achilles' Heels" in which 15 Ph.D scientists show the lack of solid evidence for microbe to man evolution e.g. the evolutionary theory is based upon biogenesis, that living matter spontaneously generated from chemicals. However scientists who believe this occurred accept there is no evidence of this occurring or how it could.

The movie shows how the available evidence (in line with Romans 1:20)testifies to the creative excellence of our God.
---Warwick on 11/9/14


If God's existence could be proven, faith would be unnecessary.
---learner2 on 11/9/14


Steveng, that a man named Jesus (Yeshua or similar transliteration) lived in ancient Roman Judea is one thing that Roman records might prove.

This would not be surprising, as it was a common enough name.

The existence of God, much less the deity of Jesus Christ is NOT something these secular records can prove.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/14


Shut up Loony! LOL
---Leon on 11/9/14


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Johan, how do you know that God does not exist (eliminating all those that use other reasoning other than the Bible)?
---aka on 11/9/14


Aside from the bible, we know that Jesus existed. The Romans were very miticulous about keeping records especially concerning government and court activities even way before Jesus' birth. Forty years ago I have seen photo copies of some of these original documents concerning a Jesus that lived at the time of the Jesus in the bible. These documents are at three of the largest libraries in eastern Europe.

Also, the bible is a testamony from various people who have worked closely with God. The apostles were eye witnesses who have walk with Jesus. There are countless other documents of people, not part of the bible, who have seen Jesus and witnessed his miracles and his preaching.
---Steveng on 11/9/14


Everything is by design. It is not accidental. There is "Intelligent Design" and there is an "Intelligent Designer".

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, There is no God.

Psalm 53:1 The fool says in his heart, There is no God.

Job 10:10-12 Did you not pour me out like milk and curdle me like cheese, clothe me with skin and flesh and knit me together with bones and sinews? You gave me life and showed me kindness,and in your providence watched over my spirit.

Isaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
---sin5694 on 11/9/14


\\All He asks is that we lend an ear & pay attention to what He says thru the Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth\\

This is what happens when you don't claim the historic creeds and doctrines.

You come up with slogans and bumper sticker theology.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/14


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Leon, what you say about Creation and Creator sounds exactly right to me, along with the creator being in Three Persons.
---Geraldine on 11/9/14


Johan: It seems like you're expressing an opinion based upon a preconceived idea. Do you know God exists? If yes, how? If no, why not?

I don't believe God is a cosmic, spooky & mysterious being way out there, somewhere, who has somehow dropped hints (bread crumbs) of His existence throughout history & science. I believe God has always been & is the active Creator existing in the lives of each & every human being to this present day. It's God who has made "first contact" with us! All He asks is that we lend an ear & pay attention to what He says thru the Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth survival training book.

You asked so ijs :)
---Leon on 11/9/14


Romans 1 deals with the argument from creation.

Thomas Aquinas has this and several other philosophical proofs.

C. S. Lewis in the opening of MERE CHRISTIANITY dealt with what is called "natural law"--that is, what most people inherently know "by nature."

All of these arguments will arrive at some kind of deity.

However, the God of Christianity, Who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, can be known only by revelation, which would include the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/14


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