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What Peter Preached

1 Peter 1:18-21
18 ---Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory, that your faith and hope might be in God.

Why do some say Peter never preached the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ? Is it spiritual blindness?

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let's conclude with Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints, 19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

The real problem is THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL many reject, and reject those who understand it and are called to contend for it.
---kathr4453 on 11/28/14


Jude 1:3

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Interesting word "CONTEND". SOME MAY WANT TO LOOK UP THE DEFINITION.

It doesn't mean jumping off the pot in your boxers and flip flops waving a roll of toilet paper in the wind as a fake white flag of peace at any price.
---kathr453 on 11/28/14


In his earthly ministry Jesus was a minister of the circumcision (Rom 15:8). He confined his ministry to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Mat 10:5-6). He gave the keys of the kingdom to a remnant of Israel that believed he was the Messiah (Luke 12:32, Mat 19:28).

Being one of Jesus disciples, James picks up where Jesus left off in his ministry to Israel. It is not surprising to find James teaching Jesus message of the law and the prophets to the remnant twelve tribes.
---michael_e on 11/28/14


It's popular to pursue the gospel narratives found in Matthew-John as the key to understanding the Bible.

There are doctrinal gems and spiritual truths in these books, but remember Pauls gospel in order to understand all things (those things beyond the resurrection of Jesus). 2 Tim 2:7
The gospel Christ gave to Paul is missing from Matthew-John, and is called a mystery gospel (Rom 16:25, Eph 6:19).

Instead of patterning ourselves after the Lords earthly ministry passed on the twelve apostles to Israel, we should start with Christ crucified and pattern after the heavenly message of the apostle of the Gentiles (Rom 11:13).

When we follow Paul's gospel , we grow in the grace of God as did Paul, according to his gospel:
---michael_e on 11/28/14


Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness,15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace,16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:



Mark_Eaton, next time you show up, please dress appropriately. I promise you, God will not call you arrogant or any names for that matter.
Any gospel that divides and excludes is not the Gospel at all. Remember that.
---kathr4453 on 11/28/14




David, Happy Thanks Giving to you and yours as well, and everyone here. David, we can agree that Jesus preached ( salvation/ justification)in Him...He is the savior of the world. I believe We can all agree on this. But what Jesus didn't elaborate on, is our sanctification. This He touched on in John 17.... "I in them" which is our sanctification, Paul also taught in Galatians..."no longer I but Christ in me" is referring to our sanctification. Gal 2:20-21. And Colossians 1:24-27. Paul did not preach something different than Jesus in the Gospel of John. The Mystery IS according to scripture of the Prophets. In Romans 16, Paul NEVER implied he had some private interpretation, but only gave a fuller understanding of it.
---kathr453 on 11/28/14


Peter preached the Gospel on the day of Pentecost.


Act 2:38

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Read all of Acts 1,2.

Paul and the church matured but they knew Salvation came through JESUS.

Agape Happy Thanksgiving.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/27/14


Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.--kathr


Kathryn
First off, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

Secondly, how does the answer Jesus gave in (Matthew 19:17), fit into your teaching of salvation, an answer to a man who asked Jesus what he must do to gain Eternal life?
That answer, "But if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the commandments.

If you heard me give someone the same answer, to the same question, would you agree with what I said?
---David on 11/27/14


What you are saying is YOU don't understand it therefore CAN'T defend it, rather hiding that fact by throwing rocks at those who do.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/14

I have had enough of you, your arrogance, your self-righteousness. You my lady, are a Pharisee, a rule-keeper, smug in your understanding, and know nothing of the grace, mercy, and love of God.

I will give you a rebuke and you can see how it feels. The verse below applies to you and you should pray to God for understanding on why it does and how to change.

1 John 4:20 "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"
---Mark_Eaton on 11/27/14


Michael, Everything went exactly as Isaiah 53 foretold. The iniquity of us ALL was placed on Him. Even the iniquity of their crucifying The Lord. You like ultra hyper Calvinists teach a limited atonement. You like them as well also teach a select secret few Jesus died for. Jesus said before He died, FATHER FORGIVE then for they know now what they do. WHY, because that is exactly the way it was suppose to go down. If not, Jesus would have had to commit suicide and kill Himself....or still be on earth today, where NO redemption through His blood could be possible. And no Kingdom would have ever been restored with the Glorified Christ on the throne. Or maybe you think He could have accomplished it through a paper cut?
---kathr4453 on 11/27/14




Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

1 Corinthians 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Also stated in Luke.

It's ALL there David. Paul also calls it the blood of the CROSS.

May also want to read Hebrews explaining WHEN and "How" a New Testament comes into effect. .

How was Jesus blood shed? And in Luke AGAIN as aka pointed out, Jesus foretold of his death and resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 11/27/14


1 Cor 15:1-4 The cornerstone of Christianity. Yet the Twelve didn't understand it
Peter tried to prevent it
Matt 16:21-22 Mark 8:31-32
resurrection not understood until after. John 2:21,22
They thought someone took Jesus after he had resurrected. John 20:2 John 20:7-9 John 20:7-9
After the resurrection, the disciples didn't understand what it accomplished.
John 20:21-23
Stephen accuses the rulers of murdering the Just One. Acts 7:52
Paul said Christ died willingly in our place. Peter said he was killed by certain Jews. Could Peter not yet understand the mystery of the cross? Acts 10:39

The preaching of the cross was offered for salvation first through Paul The 12 were ignorant of this message.
---michael_e on 11/27/14


David, I hope you are saying the doctrine of the CROSS is where you are now. -kathr4453

Dear Kathryn
Though yours is an interesting doctrine, as it uses passages from more than one writer in the New Testament, I do not believe as you do. The reason? Your salvation message, is not the salvation message taught by Jesus Christ.

If I am wrong, show me where Jesus taught the salvation message you teach. If what you say true, this should be a very easy task. But if you can not find it supported in the foundational teachings of Jesus Christ, what does this tell you?
---David on 11/27/14


postpone

cause or arrange for (something) to take place at a time later than that first scheduled.

synonym: reschedule, adjourn, shelve,

Michael_e believes Peter preached the FULFILLMENT of the earthly Kingdom, and Paul taught it was POSTPONED. Interesting! Can God's prophesy actually be postponed because man has thwarted God's plans and purposes? Paul NEVER taught God Postponed something that was to be fulfilled. Michael is saying IF Israel accepted the earthly kingdom when Peter preached at Pentecost, that God would have POSTPONED forever the CHURCH. yet we see in Romans 16: the Mystery was in fact spoken by scripture of the PROPHETS.

Michael, Michael, Michael......oh what a tangled mess you weave......
---kathr4453 on 11/27/14


Michael e, do you now see that both Paul and peter were told in scripture about the the death, burial, and resurrection of jesus?
---aka on 11/26/14


No mention of free redemption as (Rom 3. Or 1 Cor 15:1-4) Instead he gives them nothing new. John the Baptist and the twelve taught the same message while still ignorant of the cross.( Mark 1:4)
To baptism of repentance, Peter simply adds the gift of the Holy Ghost.
---michael_e on 11/26/14

John the Baptist said BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD. You say John never preached FREE redemption?

What does FREE redemption mean ?

Peter said they were BOUGHT with the precious blood of Christ, just as Paul said. One is redeemed through the blood Michael_e. And the blood of Jesus speaks BETTER THINGS THAN THAT OF ABEL. Meaning FORGIVENESS = REDEMPTION....as opposed to crying out for vengeance.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/14


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1 Peter 1:18-21

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers,

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:.

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for YOU.
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory, that your faith and hope might be in God.

Again, does this sound like it's NOT free REDEMPTION? Who paid the debt here, offering FREE redemption? Again it must be spiritual blindness. That was my question.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/14


Peter taught Israel's prophecy being fulfilled. (Acts 2:16-17) Salvation of the Jews (John 4:22, Mat 19:28, 1 Pet 1:10) Justified by faith plus works.(Jam 2:24, 1 John 2:5, Mat 19:27) Gods chosen people. Gentiles blessed through Israel.(Mat 10:5, Luke 24:49, Acts 11:19) Holy nation,(Isa 61:6, 1 Pet 2:5,9) Land promise. (1 Pet 1:4, Mat 6:10, Heb 13:14)

Paul taught Israel fallen, prophecies postponed. (Rom 3:10,19,11:11,25, 16:25)
Salvation to Gentiles (Rom 11:13, Col 1:25, 1 Cor 3:10) justified by faith alone in the cross work.(Rom 4:5, Eph 2:8-9, Tit 3:5, 1 Cor 15:1-4)
No Jew or Gentile, one new creature in Christ, his Body.(Gal 3:28, Col 3:11, Eph 2:15, 1 Cor 12:13) Promised heavenly position. (Phil 3:20, Eph 2:6, 1 Thess 4:17)
---michael_e on 11/26/14


Peter , according to michael_e believed Peter believed the Gentiles in Galatia were the RESIDUE of Israel and in submission to Israel, all the while Paul is saying at that very same moment in time THEY ARE NOT, where michael_e is accusing God of Causing so much confusion as to who belonged to whom and what. Peter preaches GRACE in his epistles, but the kingdom will not be under GRACE but kingdom LAW.

Where is that kingdom teaching that one becomes PARTAKERS OF HIS DIVINE NATURE? Only the BOC is partakers of His DIVINE nature by being crucified with Christ. 2 Peter 1.

Hebrews 6... Speaks also of being crucified with Christ.....again, NOT a kingdom teaching.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/14


Michael_e, the word REMISSION means ...look it up, as Paul uses the exact same word....Liberty, freedom, forgiveness.....of SIN. Just as Jesus stated in Luke, concerning His death and resurrection.

You seem to forget it was GOD who gave His Son to be crucified on a cross for you and me. And on the day of Pentecost thousands of Jews were added to the CHURCH. The Kingdom was never referred to as THE CHURCH and never will be.

Gentiles saved after the CHURCH is formed are called the RESIDUE of men....in submission to Israel. Yet Peter testified there was NO difference between us and them concerning Cornelius and family.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/14


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... but as a murder charge against Judea and Israel.

---michael_e on 11/26/14Act

Look again...
"ye" have crucified. The charge is against Judah. Who were 1/12th of Israel. The Nth House divorced...afar off, scattered were not accused.
The commission to the twelve is to the Nth House of ten, the "lost Sheep". Twelve nations of Israel...twelve apostles. Judas representative of Judah even today.
2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom "ye" have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, to your children, and to all that are "afar off", even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
---Trav on 11/26/14


Mark_I have noticed not once have you defended the CROSS...The Gospel of Grace.

Winning an argument ? And you think your statement is not judge-mental arrogant pride to INSULT the Gospel of Grace? To Insult the Spirit of Grace, Hebrews 10. I'm not insulted but The Lord may be, since that was a warning to the Jews who stumbled over the CROSS, the Blood of the Covenant and trampled the Son of God underfoot. And you think that doesn't apply to YOU? Is it really PRIDE if one understands it's meaning? Since the consequences of NOT understanding and obeying leads to the vengeance of God Himself? What you are saying is YOU don't understand it therefore CAN'T defend it, rather hiding that fact by throwing rocks at those who do.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/14


After opening their understanding (Luke 24) forty days of teaching,
Peter didn't preach the cross for salvation, but as a murder charge against Judea and Israel. Peter testified, Jesus, approved of God by his works. (Acts 2:22)
To Israel's shame their Messiah would come to be crucified (Acts 2:23)
Peter explains God raised Jesus up to fulfill promises to David. Peter summarizes (Acts 2:36)
They asked what shall we do. Peter's salvation message (Acts 2:38)
No mention of free redemption as (Rom 3. Or 1 Cor 15:1-4) Instead he gives them nothing new. John the Baptist and the twelve taught the same message while still ignorant of the cross.( Mark 1:4)
To baptism of repentance, Peter simply adds the gift of the Holy Ghost.
---michael_e on 11/26/14


believes it's more important to compromise leading others to disobey the same stumbling block the Jews stumbled over.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14

And it is more important for you to win an argument than to show love to another person.

Are you so arrogant to think that you understand everything correctly and are never wrong?

I have tried to correspond with you in a loving manner yet you continue to insult me and purposely misquote my posts to "win" these discussions.

If you are the "stronger" in faith, where is your compassion? Where is your love?

Religion is all about rules. Christianity is all about love.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/26/14


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John 14:2-3

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also.


Love your verses Trav, and so glad you posted, so OTHERS can see the differences. King David will NEVER be prince over the CHURCH, the Body of Christ forever and ever. Not even Peter taught such things nor James, nor John. The Church was never promised land....we are promised mansions in heaven.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/14


David, I hope you are saying the doctrine of the CROSS is where you are now. Yes many do try to take the wide path and not the narrow, re THE CROSS, is the narrow path that leads to LIFE, And are compelled to warn others who are being lured away to compromise and take the wide path that leads to destruction. David, THAT IS LOVE beyond words. Love that doesn't mind being hated for doing so. This IS the will of God in our life. This IS what we preach. This IS what we gladly die for. A stumbling block to the Jews, and a JOKE to the Gentiles. The preaching of THE CROSS is foolishness only to those who are perishing. But to us, IT IS THE POWER OF GOD THAT LEADS TO SALVATION. The ONLY Gospel TODAY that has POWER from on high.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/14


//Yet it appears...AKA would rather disrupt threads with ...silly nonsense posts, in total opposition //

Thanks AKA, great scripture.---kathr4453on 11/22

Again great scripture. - kathr on 11/24

This is even better scripture and unfortunately it was buried under ego and the man that you were "setting straight" with your gifted logic left the area.

luke 24:45-49 KJV
---aka on 11/26/14


Is it spiritual blindness?

Kathryn
I believe the problem is all within the doctrine which brings one to Christ. There are many false doctrines, but there is only one Truth.

I have found people tend to use the doctrine which brought them to Christ, as a rail on which they must hold on to, when they read the bible. And who can blame them, if this is what brought them to Christ?

When they come to passages, which disagree with their doctrine, they just ignore it, and move on to the next. I came to Christ through a false doctrine, but God still put me on the right path.







---David on 11/26/14


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Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Trav, the verse above is where we are TODAY, in the NEW testament. The Gospel according to the Mystery. Notice it has been made manifest by scripture OF THE PROPHETS, also according to the COMMANDMENT of God. This Gospel is what man is saved by TODAY, both Jew and Gentile. Can you hear the trumpet? You have been warned.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14


Great verse Trav.
Do you even have a clue what that verse means, ...
Or do you need someone to explain it to you?
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14

Go get your husband or Mr. Ironslides. I'll explain it to him and he will teach it to you. 1Ti_2:11-12.

Eze 37:24 David my servant shall be king over them, and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze 37:25 they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt, they shall dwell therein, even they, their children, their children's children for ever: my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
...Amen
---Trav on 11/25/14


if staying under the LAW hinders your growth under GRACE, as Paul surely rebuked those in Galatia for going backwards, it must be more important than just knowing and agreeing who Jesus is.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14

But, as I have asked others, are you judging another persons heart? Mark_Eaton

Mark, do you consider reminding others of Galatians as judging, harsh, a rebuke? Sarcasm? Hateful? Insults? Paul was so grounded that he stayed with the Galatians to FORM CHRIST IN THEM AGAIN who so easily moved away to ANOTHER GOSPEL HE CALLED ACCURSED. One of the ones YOU have no problem with???

So OK Mark_Eaton, you say are better than Paul. Do you even KNOW what he meant? I think not.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14


Galatians 3

3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Talk about insulting and rebuking, to those who OBEY NOT THE TRUTH.

if perhaps one is BLINDED to this truth, it's not because it isn't clearly taught in scripture. Willful disobedience of the truth is holding the truth in unrighteousness, of which the wrath of God will come upon.

But Mark_Eaton believes it's more important to compromise leading others to disobey the same stumbling block the Jews stumbled over.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14


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//It's to give clearly written scripture which shows them, God is right// david

Through our many weaknesses, he shows his mighty strength through his word.

All praise to the father.
---aka on 11/25/14


Eze_33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned, if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
---Trav on 11/25/14

Great verse Trav. The sword is coming, and the trumpet HAS been blown by many you and aka make fun of, Yet it appears you and AKA would rather disrupt threads with your silly nonsense posts, in total opposition to the very verse you posted. Do you even have a clue what that verse means, or should we just let the Holy Spirit work in those who "obey" it, rather than just quote it? Or do you need someone to explain it to you?
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14


if staying under the LAW hinders your growth under GRACE, as Paul surely rebuked those in Galatia for going backwards, it must be more important than just knowing and agreeing who Jesus is.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14

But, as I have asked others, are you judging another persons heart?

Rom 14:1 "Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions"

Prov 15:1 "A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger"

The ones who are strong in faith are to accept and gently lead the weak ones into the correct path. Such is discipleship. Rebuking is only appropriate for someone you intimately know.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/25/14


I wish it were that simple, but unfortunately it's not.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14

Fortunately its very simple. Your enemy is yourself. All here have held their hand out...with scripture or without you eat the hand.
It is a one house doctrine for your meat today.

Eze_37:17 And join them one to another into one stick, and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze 37:22 ... one king shall be king to them all: they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them:...them for evermore.
Eze 37:27 ...my people.
Eze 37:28 ..for evermore.
Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31.
---Trav on 11/25/14


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Replacement theology, two house doctrine, ultra-dispensationalism, Adventism, Holiness movement, etc. do not dispute who Jesus is and that to me keeps them in the family.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/25/14


I wish it were that simple, but unfortunately it's not. Why? Because just as Paul said in Ephesians, every wind of doctrine tossing you to and fro will hinder your growth in growing up into the fullness and stature of Christ. "I in them" , Christ in you, will bring you to a far different end than just agreeing who Jesus is. Example...if staying under the LAW hinders your growth under GRACE, as Paul surely rebuked those in Galatia for going backwards, it must be more important than just knowing and agreeing who Jesus is.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14


//So what card are you going to play next//kathr4453

i would like to play euchre, but in the south, three more euchre buddies are rare in the land of cotton.
... i can only hope that my lord recognizes me on that day.

i live outside of one house. they come from all over as they were once dispersed. who dresses appropriately for the wedding?...you can always be sure that there will be wedding crashers.
---aka on 11/25/1

Hey...i'm gonna learn to play euchre with some other cotton pickers. I'll be laying for you wily coyote.
Save me a piece of Cake will ya. I'll be just to the right of the door at the nearest highway.
Signed,
Ralph S. D. Services,LLC
(got to get a hair cut can't see nothing anymore)
---Trav on 11/25/14


//So what card are you going to play next//kathr4453

i would like to play euchre, but in the south, three more euchre buddies are rare in the land of cotton.

//Or did you already play it in hopes no one would see your hypocrisy?// kathr4454

not worried what anyone appears to see, i can only hope that my lord recognizes me on that day.

- on 11/25/14//Oh but....hummmm, AKA, you too are "partially" ????Two House doctrine...correct?// -kathr4455 (and so on)

i live outside of one house. they come from all over as they were once dispersed. who dresses appropriately for the wedding?...you can always be sure that there will be wedding crashers.

as for me, i feed on scraps...no claim to anything.
---aka on 11/25/14


Cults prey on those like yourself, tossed to and frow with EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE that comes along. May want to read Ephesians 4 for WHY we are given gifts.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14

No one is immune to conflicts in doctrine. No one person has perfect doctrine, because our understanding is imperfect.

Dispensationalism had no place in the doctrine of the church until the 19th century. Yet I believe in it and see its truth.

Evangelicals and Fundamentalists were unknown until the 19th century. Yet I believe in both of these groups.

Replacement theology, two house doctrine, ultra-dispensationalism, Adventism, Holiness movement, etc. do not dispute who Jesus is and that to me keeps them in the family.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/25/14


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Aka, do you really have the discernment to know for a fact the above is true?
Again letting your own personal feelings override truth?
Your statement here shows you have done just that.
---Anonymous on 11/25/14

Be a just a little courageous and post your truth for both of us. Save him and correct me.
Be the watchman you've volunteered for.
(By the way "anonymous?"...Satan translated can be "accuser" or "adversary")
Eze_33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned, if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
---Trav on 11/25/14


back to trav:there was a time when i struggled hard. trav and a few others lifted my arms in battle while some of the others acted like job's "friends", others just said Christiany things...made me feel even more sad. so, trav does get to pass go and collect $200 on matters that don't relate to sheep dogging.
---aka on 11/24/14

Aka, do you really have the discernment to know for a fact the above is true? Again letting your own personal feelings override truth?

If Satan gave you a hug, would you also give him a get out of jail free card too? Satan is always standing at the door of our struggles tempting us to take the easy way out. Your statement here shows you have done just that.
---Anonymous on 11/25/14


AKA
Good posts brother!!
It's to give clearly written scripture which shows ...And we can do no more, than offer the same gift.
---David on 11/25/14

Jesus is the only "teacher", only GOD draws. All other religions choose their Idol/god. Only in ours does GOD choose.
I try to post dominate scripture, witnessing other scripture. Those drawn and searching hear it. Scripture is cryptic, to those who struggle within learned and false no witness doctrines being taught.
Scriptures witnessing scriptures...shifts the individual to arguing with the prophets/apostles/GOD or Christ.
Easy to tell who is searching, listening and hearing GOD.
If scriptures make one mad or furious...it is a tell/sign/mark.
---Trav on 11/25/14


2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Jesus never rebuked anyone? And you have a problem with Paul rebuking Peter in Galatia? And all the martyrs died in vain correct? What about Judges 4-5. Yes, we do see some of the tribes hiding, but what a day of victory that was. And what a day of SHAME for the cowards. Did you know that parallels our spiritual warfare here as well? Paul died defending the Gospel, and is our example of one fighting the good fight. Jesus was crucified because they didn't like what He was saying. The fellowship of His sufferings, 1st Peter 4, and Philippians 3 is not your cup of tea? Glad to know where you stand.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14


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//I find it interesting aka you don't make the same comments to...others //

about others and you: kathr, about others, if pablum is served, i like it with a little salt.

i definitely agree with you on this matter and the other extreme. nevertheless, over the years, i have commented to you occasionally that your posts have good scripture but get a little twisty. the truth is overshadowed by vitriol.

back to trav:there was a time when i struggled hard. trav and a few others lifted my arms in battle while some of the others acted like job's "friends", others just said Christiany things...made me feel even more sad. so, trav does get to pass go and collect $200 on matters that don't relate to sheep dogging.
---aka on 11/24/14


AKA
Good posts brother!!
It's not for us to say, we are right and others are wrong. It's to give clearly written scripture which shows them, God is right, and they are wrong.

Have you ever noticed Jesus asked penetrating questions of those who disagreed with him? And it was a simple question of which they knew the answer. A question which presented them with Truth.

Not all excepted his gift of Truth, but it was offered. And we can do no more, than offer the same gift.





---David on 11/25/14


Aka, if you have no spiritual GIFT given you by God, that is not my problem. But please refrain from calling down others who faithfully use theirs. There is no spiritual gift critiquing or criticizing anothers, playing God deciding if another's passes YOUR approval. Glad handers who think it's their job to compromise for the sake of a false peace, is not scriptural period.

Trav, this thread is not about the Two House Doctrine excluding Gentiles.

Oh but....hummmm, AKA, you too are "partially" ????Two House doctrine...correct? So one excludes Jews, and one excludes Gentiles.

So what card are you going to play next aka? Or did you already play it in hopes no one would see your hypocrisy?
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14


Acts8: 29 ---and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me?
Aka, IF all that was needed was scripture, there would be no need for spiritual GIFTS. And listening to anyone who scews only "selected scriptures" as does Trav, does not make one think if they are not solidly grounded in all scripture. Even Satan quoted scripture to Jesus who being the very WORD Himself, countered with other scripture, proving scripture can be taken out of context, and showed us through that testing how Satan twists scripture. Cults prey on those like yourself, tossed to and frow with EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE that comes along. May want to read Ephesians 4 for WHY we are given gifts.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/14


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//...don't make the same comments to Trav?// kathr,

about trav:

i don't know if you remember, but when you were in the thick of going at it with MarkV, Trav and i went at it almost the same as you two. but, not as much. after a while, i stepped back from CN as it seems trav did. after returning bothwise, both he and i seem to have gone under some similar transformation. when trav came back regularly, i noticed one thing about his replies that no one else does here(including me in the past). he does not try to teach or preach. he quotes scripture that may sometimes seem to not apply and writes cryptically. he and i do not walk lockstep but together, we search. and he makes me think. but, the most important thing (continued...
---aka on 11/24/14


Now if you want to really read someone's comments that some may find insulting.....read his.
I have the utmost respect for Ironside.
A truly GODLY man not afraid to tell it like it is.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/14

Ummm,yummy insults for us, but he tells it like you like to hear it. There is the difference, so he's your man.
My GOD doesn't insult me, he places multiple witnesses greater than 10,000 ironsides.
Deu 10:15 Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Heb 8:8-10 + 100 more.
---Trav on 11/24/14


H. A. Ironside, says concerning ultra-dispensationalism, has no hesitancy in saying its fruits are evil. It has produced a tremendous crop of heresies throughout the length and breadth of this and other lands, has divided Christians and wrecked churches and assemblies without number, it has lifted up its votaries in intellectual and spiritual pride to an appalling extent, so that they look with supreme contempt upon Christians who don't accept their peculiar views, and in most instances where it has been long tolerated, it has absolutely throttled Gospel effort at home and sown discord on missionary fields abroad. So true of this system that I have no hesitancy in saying it is an absolutely Satanic perversion of the truth.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/14


Aka, I've insulted no one here. We are debating scripture, And RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH. As the Eunuch said to Phillip, how will I understand unless someone explain it to me. Yes, go back and read it.

I find it interesting aka you don't make the same comments to Trav????? Or others here who also disagree with ULTRA DISPENSATIONALISM, a false doctrine, as false as ULTRA CALVINISM.

All cults EXCLUDE, and have their own secret societies. RED flag.

You may want to read what Ironsides says about ULTRA DISPENSATIONALISM. Now if you want to really read someone's comments that some may find insulting.....read his. I have the utmost respect for Ironside. A truly GODLY man not afraid to tell it like it is.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/14


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kathr, read my WHOLE post. even the holy spirit cannot get anyone to consider what is written if you are hot on the trail let alone see it.

this is all the scripture that is needed to refute michael e's brand of replacement type theology...

luke 24:45-49 KJV

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures...

with your constant barrage of posts (and unfortunately insults), you have repelled michael e and other bloggers.

please this is not about your amazing talent of typing and reasoning. it is all in scripture if you give it time, patience, kindness...

we know who jesus is and we know who kathr is and frankly the former can handle his own.
---aka on 11/24/14


--- I do see differences in what Peter and James preached verses what Paul preached. Peter said in his epistle: 1 Peter 3:21 "Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

---Mark_Eaton on 11/24/14

John the Baptist Kingdom baptism was NOT in reference to the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Peter clearly states our baptism NOW is NOT the same as John the Baptist, AND Paul reiterates in Romans 6. One must first be baptized into HIS DEATH, in order to appreciate His resurrection life IN you! I'm amazed at how many people think 1 Peter 3:21 is not a spiritual baptism when it clearly states NOT water.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/14


Incidentally "not at this time" doesn't mean NO. Christ at no time said He would NOT restore the kingdom. --michael_e on 11/23/14

Jesus rose from the dead, and spent 40 days with his disciples. 1) if in fact those 40 days Jesus was reiterating the Kingdom restored to Israel, why were the apostles asking Jesus before He ascended if AT THIS TIME would the kingdom be restored?

a) the Apostles were stupid and didn't understand what THAT meant either, 40 days of instruction completely over their head? Would not have Jesus rebuked their stupidity for asking?
b) or blessed are those who believe but don't see, as was spoken to Thomas.....meaning faith in Jesus resurrection.
Over 500 testified to Jesus RESURRECTION.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/14


I do not agree with Michael_e, but I do see differences in what Peter and James preached verses what Paul preached.

Peter said in his epistle:

1 Peter 3:21 "Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

and James in his epistle:

James 2:24 "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone"

Yet in Paul's epistles, we see these:

Eph. 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith"

Rom. 4:5 "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness"
---Mark_Eaton on 11/24/14


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Aka, To say Paul's gospel says Jesus died for our sin, and not the Jews in the Kingdom is horrible teaching and twisting of scripture. Our sin is forgiven BECAUSE JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD. Read the verse I posted in 1st Peter again. Why would Peter make such a statement in 1st Peter 1:18, about our faith being in the resurrected Christ. Hebrews 13:20-21 and Romans 8:11-13 is the MYSTERY OF CHRIST IN YOU.

HEBREWS 10, sanctified through the BODY OF JESUS CHRIST..(THE BOC) Once and FOR ALL. .THROUGH HIS BODY THAT IS HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION, once and for all. A new and LIVING way! through the veil! that is to say His flesh....meaning his death and resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/14


1 Peter 4... From Peter, and Paul Philippians 3.....is the mystery of Christ in you. Both testify of the sufferings of Christ IN you! conforming you to His image. Also verified by Hebrews 13:21-21 and Romans 8:11-13. THE MYSTERY.

The problem with michael_e screwed doctrine is that no such doctrine belongs to any earthly kingdom. Michael_e simply does not understand the MYSTERY, and has redefined the MYSTERY. The Holy Spirit that indwells us today, beginning with Pentecost is the Spirit of the RISEN Christ IN you, Whether one completely understands this or not, or whether the Apostles grasped it's depth in the beginning, and as Jesus Prayed in John 17.. .I in them....Christ IN you is something many today still don't grasp.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/14


Kathr, michael_e correctly quotes scripture.

All the words are in scripture for all to read. I appreciate your zeal, but give him a chance to read more than he quotes. The Holy spirit may be able to convict him or not.

However, my greatest hope is that who hear only the misused scripture will see real secret that was only hidden to those who cannot see.

Luke 24:44-45 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures...

The next verses said what also revealed to paul.
---aka on 11/24/14


Paul's gospel includes Christ dying for our sins, ...
The twelve couldn't preach Paul's gospel, they didn't understand it.
facts: kingdom gospel and Pauls gospel are different. ...rejected by a majority.
---michael_e on 11/22/14

Rejected. It should be. Your version of Pauls "good news" gospel above to those who sinned. Only those having law were guilty of breaking "law", Israel. Paul calls them "brethren", whose fathers passed under cloud and through the sea. Paul taught "ethnos" "nations" of who? Israel.
Same truth, Same good News.
Mic_7:20 Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.
---Trav on 11/24/14


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Michael_e, Didn't John the Baptist announce this Kingdom Gospel? There were more words than "Repent and be baptized"......because John concluded, BECAUSE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND. Did Peter preach "the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand"? NEVER. Did John the Baptist ever baptize Gentiles? If so, why did Peter have issues going to Cornelius?

Phillip showed The OT to the Eunuch...a Gentile, Isaiah 53....which is NOT about any KINGDOM but testifying to Jesus Christ sacrifice that was foretold....no mystery here OUR SIN KILLED JESUS MICHAEL_E. ....both Jew and Gentile. Did John the B require repentance for killing Jesus, when Jesus had not yet died on the cross? So what was that repentance about?
---kathr4453 on 11/24/14


luke24:45-49 KJV

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures. ...Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name ... behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you:

If you don't teach from all of scripture, then how can you preach it?
---aka on 11/23/14

Glad you posted this. Was thinking this same scripture. Your post is better though.
Your last statement applied then and now. If scripture witnessing scripture makes a preacher angry...it is a tell, sign or mark. No one likes loss of control of their subject/doctrine audience...preachers especially.
---Trav on 11/24/14


Act 15:7-11..Peter...said to them, "...God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel. And God...bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us. and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith...

Again great scripture. Making no distinction between us and them...Just as Paul said in Ephesians. The CHURCH makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile. However the Gospel of the Kingdom does, as michael_e stated of Peter in Galatia, when he refused to even eat with Gentiles. Paul rebuked Peter saying he was destroying the preaching of the CROSS....that makes NO distinction between Jew and Gentile.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/14


But who are the children of Abraham?
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that those who are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
---David on 11/24/14

Looking around the world electronically, who accepted readily, acted, promoted (even if in a level of misunderstanding) the "good news".
Does a GOD we'd believe in, tell his Prophets one thing multiple times...and do the opposite?
Who was given "school master law"?
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 4:30 ... for the son of the bondwoman...
---Trav on 11/24/14


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Luke 18:34..If they didn't understand the death burial and resurrection, they couldn't preach it.--michael_e

luke24:45-49 KJV

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures. And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

If you don't teach from all of scripture, then how can you preach it?
---aka on 11/23/14


Michael
I understand there are many people who think the Gospels of Jesus Christ were only written to the children of Abraham. And I agree with them.

But who are the children of Abraham?
Galatians 3:7
Know ye therefore that those who are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.


Since we who are of faith, are also the children of Abraham, and the Gospels of Jesus Christ are written to the children of Abraham, wouldn't the Gospels of Jesus Christ be for us too?
---David on 11/24/14


Michael_e, Is the scripture disrespectful? Jesus nor the Father had any plans of restoring the Kingdom to Israel UNTIL "AFTER" THE CHURCH WAS FORMED. If you really understood the MYSTERY you would know that. The church began at Pentecost. And there are plenty of scriptures here to prove that.

Therefore what was revealed to Paul more fully was something entirely different. But be sure of this Michael, WE ARE NOT SAVED BY REVELATION OF KNOWING THE WHOLE, anymore than Calvinists are the ELECT because of some revelation THEY are. Everyone's salvation is COMPLETE, because of Jesus death and resurrection. That is no mystery.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/14


R E S P E C T
I simply asked how did Peter preach something he knew nothing about?
Jesus told the 12
Matt 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
This is what Peter was told to preach if he preached something else, he would have been disobedient.
Incidentally "not at this time" doesn't mean NO. Christ at no time said He would NOT restore the kingdom.
Due to your disrespect and twisting of words, this will be my last answer to you, from now on you can debate with your self or Markv as you used to.
---michael_e on 11/23/14


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Acts 1:6-7

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Jesus answered their question.....answer...NO.
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Now michael_e believes Peter totally disobeyed Jesus and preached the Restoration of the Kingdom promised to Israel anyway. And not only that, but also accuses the Holy Spirit of total disobedience as well....since they spoke in the power of the Holy Spirit. And NOWHERE when Peter preached did Peter say...God at this time IS restoring the Kingdom to Israel.
---kathr4453 on 11/23/14


Amazing that Peter could preach something he knew nothing about
Luke 18:34.. "they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken."
If they didn't understand the death burial and resurrection, they couldn't preach it.
---michael_e on 11/23/14


Michael
I truly thank you for explaining to me why, many believers have rejected the Gospel of Jesus Christ and all the books written by his Disciples, for the Apostle Paul's letters.

Poor Paul, I hope he never learns that Satan used his Hard-to-understand Gospel, to turn many believers against Jesus Christ.

The two Gospels are different, but the message is the same. The reason much of what Paul wrote is not in the Gospels of Jesus Christ or the other writers, is because Paul wrote into his letters, his experience. A salvation experience, unlike the other New Testament writers.
---David on 11/23/14


Michael_e, nowhere is a term called, "the SECRET of the cross". Isaiah 53 foretold of Jesus death. Psalms 22 point to His resurrection. And that Gentiles would be saved was told to Abraham. So what is the SECRET????

Colossians says THE MYSTERY IS "CHRIST IN YOU" .. Also stated in John 1, TO AS MANY AS RECEIVE HIM TO THEM GAVE HE THE POWER TO BECOME THE SONS OF GOD . AND Paul continues, saying concerning US, that we are Sons and joint heirs with Christ.

Jesus prayed in John 17. I IN THEM , same MYSTERY that began on the day of Pentecost.

Would be interested to know what YOUR mystery consists of michael_e, since Colossians 1:24-27 clearly say what "the mystery" is.
---kathr4453 on 11/23/14


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Michael_e, in Acts when Paul preaches to those on Mars Hill, or the jailer, or Phillip to the Eunuch, etc, etc, where Paul CLEARLY revealing what you call, the MYSTERY OF THE CROSS. Or any mystery for that matter. I see Paul came upon the disciples of John the Baptist, who had never heard of the Holy Spirit. The ones that BELONGED TO THE KINGDOM ...correct???? and Paul stole these Jews away from who??? Peter and company, and recruited these Jews to become part of the OTHER Gospel????? Soooooooo, now tell us, what MYSTERY Did Paul reveal to them? Wasn't it the promise of the Holy Spirit, that accompanied the RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST? Just as Peter also preached in Acts 5:22-23?
---kathr4453 on 11/23/14


Correction, Acts 5:30-33

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

Peter and all the apostles are Witnesses to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. They are first hand witnesses, and this is what they are testifying to to all...that Jesus died and rose again, For the forgiveness of Sin, FIRST to Israel, and then to the Gentiles.
---kathr453 on 11/23/14


Students of Scripture shouldn't refuse to hear facts before making judgement
Facts are the kingdom gospel and the gospel of the grace of God are different messages.
Paul's gospel includes Christ dying for our sins, his burial, and resurrection.(1 Cor 15:1-4)
Christ sent his disciples to preach the gospel of the kingdom. (Luke 9:1-6)
The twelve couldn't preach Paul's gospel, they didn't understand it. (Luke 18:31-34)
Based on facts: The kingdom gospel and Pauls gospel are different. Yet it's rejected by a majority.
Nowhere in the good news of the kingdom is the preaching of the cross.
The secret of the cross was kept secret until revealed to Paul, what he calls the revelation of the mystery (Col 1:25-26).
---michael_e on 11/22/14


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