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Hearing God's voice-

And rather than simply disagreeing with this view from the beginning why, as recently as today (to Cluny), does Warwick ask:

"Do you claim God does not speak to man audibly?"

Why would he ask this question if he were not defending the notion of actually hearing God's voice "audibly"?
---scott on 1/22/15


'I have never said that God speaks to me audibly'- Warwick.

So what does Warwick mean when he admits: 'You appear to [be] saying that God does not speak to [me]', and rejecting the holy spirit means, 'God does not speak to you in His "still small voice."'- Warwick (12/23/14)

Remember what C & MA creator Albert Simpson wrote:

'There is, in the deepest centre of the soul... where, if we will only enter in and hush every other sound, we can hear His still, small voice'- The Holy Spirit, Or, Power From On High.

Also C & MA pastor David Smith says: 'God can and does speak to us in multi-level methods...'-Listening Prayer.

This is pentecostal/C & MA occultism.
---David8318 on 1/22/15


"Stop lying." Warwick

Hilarious if not so sad.

Did you not spend days (on the 'Merry Christmas Saying' thread) defending your own 'Christian and Missionary Alliance' (C & MA) views regarding hearing God's voice?

C & MA founder A.B. Simpson wrote, "There is, in the deepest centre of the soul, a chamber of peace where God dwells, and where, if we will only enter in and hush every other sound, we can hear His still, small voice."

Are you now distancing yourself from this view?
---scott on 1/22/15


Cluny how strange of you to accept what a cult member says without checking. As the record shows I have never said that God speaks to me audibly, though I would be pleased if He did.

Scott has tried unsuccessfully to put words in my mouth regarding this and has refused repeatedly to answer the following relevant questions in relation to 1 Samuel 16:7, Deuteronomy 5:24 and Hebrews 1:1,2

Do you claim God does not speak to man audibly?
Do you also claim God does not speak to man through His Son Jesus?
Do you also claim God does not speak to us also via our consciences?
Do you further claim God does not speak to us through his word?

Maybe you like Scott can answer with silence?
---Warwick on 1/21/15


Scott, you lie so easily. As the man asked: how do you know if a Jehovah's Witness is lying? Answer: If his mouth is moving he is lying.

I have never said that God speaks directly to me in an audible voice. Stop lying.

However in regard to 1 Samuel 16:7, Deuteronomy 5:24 and Hebrews 1:1,2, I have repeatedly asked you:

Do you claim God does not speak to man audibly?
Do you also claim God does not speak to man through His Son Jesus?
Do you also claim God does not speak to us also via our consciences?
Do you further claim God does not speak to us through his word?

Man up and answer the questions. I won't hold my breath!
---Warwick on 1/22/15




No Marc, you can't even read Polycarp's comment! Where in the quote from Polycarp you cite does he claim the divinity of the holy spirit, or where he says 'God the Holy Spirit'!?

Your love affair with your "early church fathers" blinds you to the reality of the historical fact that the divinity of the holy spirit was not decided until 381AD at the Council of Constantinople. I haven't checked, but I doubt your "church fathers" used the term 'God the Holy Spirit' or remotely suggested the holy spirit was "God".

Neither the Bible nor the church fathers taught the holy spirit was "God". You are unable to demonstrate which group God used to teach the trinity prior to 381AD because there were none!
---David8318 on 1/21/15


No, David, the Church didn't have to wait until AD 381 for preaching the divinity of the Holy Spirit, for Polycarp, disciple of John, wrote in AD 155 that "For this cause, yea and for all things, I praise Thee, I bless Thee, I glorify Thee, through the eternal and heavenly High-priest, Jesus Christ, Thy beloved Son, through whom with Him and the Holy Spirit be glory both now [and ever] and for the ages to come. Amen."
---Marc on 1/21/15


Marc, given up on quoting your beloved Platonizing early church fathers? Understand now they were not appointed by God... got it have you? Well done!

Again you can't get us to say what you want us to say so you're forced to twist what we have said to support your perverse reasoning. You've clearly lost the plot!

I didn't say, "All other things" are created [by Jesus]... You falsely assume I said "by Jesus". This is special pleading for your contrived 'Jesus/angel creator' argument which you're trying to pull over JW's.

Jehovah created "all other things" [through Jesus] on an already existing heaven and earth. (Col.1:16,20) Jesus didn't create anything.

Keep up Marc... get it right.
---David8318 on 1/21/15


Warwick, who said Tertullian was involved with Greek philosophy?

I ask if Tertullian was inspired because Marc quotes his beloved church fathers as though they were! Marc views the writings of his Platonizing early church fathers through 'rose tinted glasses'. But he has yet to show where in the years prior to 325AD did God appoint a group who taught the pagan trinity. He is unable to because there were none!

Yours and Marc's love of everything pagan, including the pagan trinity leaves you believing in 2 creators: "Jesus CREATED" and the one creating "through Jesus is the Father". This is umm... pagan polytheism.
---David8318 on 1/21/15


Warwick you're right, Morenz does state Christendoms trinity has 'direct links' with pagan Egyptian trinities. Hellenic philosophy is used by you to describe God as "three in one".

By using pagan Greek philosophy- noteably Plato's philosophy of 'nature & substance'- you trinitarians reason 'Jesus is of the same substance as God therefore Jesus is God': eg. "that which has come forth out of God is at once God and the Son of God"- Tertullian/Marc. This is Neo-Platonism.

Yet again Warwick you play the fool. As if we didn't know your sordid secrets. But you can't fool thinking people. Be a good chap and ask the voice in your head why God didn't reveal the "truth" until 381AD?
---David8318 on 1/21/15




PART 1

David: ""All other things" are created [by Jesus] IN and ON an already existing heaven and earth [created by Jehovah]...JW's have never taught an angel created the universe.

Cough, cough: "Jehovah and his firstborn Son [archangel Michael] enjoyed close association for BILLIONS of years long BEFORE the starry heavens and the earth were created...it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role." (What does the bible really teach?, pp. 42,219)
---Marc on 1/21/15


\\ Since you (Warwick) recently revealed that God speaks directly to you, ...\\

God told me to tell Warwick that he's been listening to an impostor.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/21/15


"Wrong again..." Warwick

Since you (Warwick) recently revealed that God speaks directly to you, can you please give us a heads-up when your posts include words coming directly from the Almighty God or if, instead, they are your own personal expressions.

It would be good for us to pay extra close attention to the words that God personally shared with you.
---scott on 1/21/15


"Tertullian"- Marc/Wikipedia-


Continued

"...As regards the subjects of subordination of the Son to the Father, the New Catholic Encyclopedia has commented: "In not a few areas of theology, Tertullian's views are, of course, completely unacceptable [from a Trinitarian perspective]. Thus, for example, "...his teaching on the Trinity reveals a subordination of Son to Father that in the later crass form of Arianism the Church rejected as heretical."
---scott on 1/21/15


While Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God, the Father is not the Son and neither is the Holy Spirit.
---Cluny on 1/20/15

Joh_14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father, how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
---Trav on 1/21/15


Isa.9 v 6, Emanuel God with us, Jesus said to Phillip when you have seen me you have seen the Father. Jesus said I and my Father are 1. Col.2 v 9 Only 1 person.

For those who believe in the Manmade commandments doctrines of men 3 persons godhead, God put them here in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 and Is Bible prophesy, which Are many peoples Mat.7 v 13. In judgment you can answer to your 3 persons gods.

I'll answer to my 1 & Only God.
Mat.28 v 19, Col.2 v 9, The name Is Jesus Christ. Only 1!

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 1/20/15


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'... God and the Son of God, and the two are one' (Tertullian)- Marc.

Where oh where is the 3rd "God" of Tertullians 'trinitas'? According to Marc's philosophy, they didn't know! Apparently, God didn't reveal the truth of who the 3rd person of the trinity should be until 381AD! Tertullian postulated it was the holy spirit, but it wasn't until 381AD when these apostates finally decided the "church" should view the holy spirit as the 3rd "God" of the trinity!

According to Marc, God didn't reveal the truth until 381AD! Did God forget to tell us about 'God the spirit'? Is God as inept as Marc!? Either God forgot to tell us or Marc is a pagan polytheist.
---David8318 on 1/21/15


David, the confusion you exhibit is a common trait of the cultic mind, ably demonstrated on TV by Scientologist Tom Cruise. You claim that belief in the Trinity is pagan Greek philosophy while recently you misquoted Morenz to show it came from Egypt. Which is is David Greece or Egypt? You are aware these are two geographically and philosophically separate countries arent you? Interestingly Marc has shown that Tertullian, a Trinitarian, rejected Greek philosophy so you are wrong again! You are good at that.

Marc has also quoted Tertullian giving iron-clad support for the Trinity but you ignore the obvious and foolishly ask is Tertullian inspired? Are you inspired David? Is Morenz inspired? Is the President of the WTS inspired?
---Warwick on 1/20/15


"Tertullian"- Marc/Wikipedia-

Also:-

"As regards the question whether the Son was coeternal with the Father, many believe that Tertullian did not teach that. The Catholic Encyclopedia [Re Tertullian] "There was a time when there was no Son and no sin, when God was neither Father nor Judge." Similarly J. Kelly has stated: "Tertullian followed the Apologists in dating His "perfect generation" from His...creation, prior to that moment God could not strictly be said to have had a Son, while after it the term "Father", which for earlier theologians generally connoted God as author of reality, began to acquire the specialized meaning of Father and Son."

Continued
---scott on 1/20/15


John 10:30 says I and my Father are One. That was Jesus talking. God and Jesus are the same.
---shira4368 on 1/20/15


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Tertullian ended up a holy roller.
---learner2 on 1/20/15


'... God and the Son of God, and the two are one' (Tertullian)- Marc.

Marc's adoration of his trinitarian idols goes on and on (yawn). its this type of unscriptural diarrhetic trinitarian rubbish that has led the likes of Marc like a lemming into polytheism.

Again I ask, 'It would be even better if Marc could tell us where God appointed a group between creation and 325AD who taught the pagan trinity?' Maybe if I ask it enough times Marc will actually catch on and understand what is being asked.

JW theology is that found at Deut.6:4 (ASV), 'Jehovah our God is one Jehovah (YHWH),' written over 3500yrs ago and inspired of God.

Is Tertullian inspired?
---David8318 on 1/20/15


Tertullian "despised Greek philosophy, pronouncing Plato, Aristotle, and other Greek thinkers as patriarchal forefathers of the heretics". (Wikipedia)
He attacked Greek philosophy with "What has Athens to do with Jerusalem?", challenging heretics to provide their apostolicity, something JW Arius was incapable of.
By 200AD he wrote, "Never did any angel descend for the purpose of being crucified, of tasting death, and of rising again from the dead", "All the Scriptures give clear proof of the Trinity", "So too, that which has come forth out of God is at once God and the Son of God, and the two are one. In his birth he is God and man united."

What's your next special plead, David?
---Marc on 1/20/15


'They're the only quotes existing'- Marc.

They're the only quotes existing in Marc's small sphere of understanding. And those quotes suit his own polytheist Platonic views. But I didn't ask for biased quotes from Platonic church fathers. I asked "where did God appoint a group who taught the trinity"? Where is the evidence God "appointed" these Platonizing early church fathers to speak on his behalf?

Tertullian had to dream up the un-Biblical word "trinitas" to describe what he thought to be the truth. JW's follow what the ancient Israelites believed- one God, Jehovah (YHWH- Deut.6:4) and the God Jesus Christ worshipped and prayed to- Matt.4:10. Jesus didn't believe or teach a 'trinitas'!
---David8318 on 1/20/15


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'was there a group appointed by YHWH between 100AD and 1870 which held to the JW theology (i.e. Jesus is a created angel and is the universe's creator). "No, there wasn't.'- Marc (1/7/15).

'No' because JW's have never taught an angel created the universe. This is Marc's warpped understanding of Jesus.

I asked, 'It would be even better if Marc could tell us where God appointed a group between creation and 325AD who taught the pagan trinity?' (Or at any time for that matter!) All Marc could drag up were "trinitarian quotes going back to just after 100AD"... which is not what I asked for.

Let alone recounting the past. Marc is incapable of understanding whats been said in the last few days!
---David8318 on 1/20/15


Scott,

Is this the same Hans Eysenck who received 800,000 pounds from the tobacco industry to support that death machine and then, when confronted on his lack of probity, couldn't remember how much he received? How convenient!

People had to reach for their dictionaries! Oh, boo-hoo!
---Marc on 1/20/15


David: "The "quotes" Marc provided were from his beloved Platonizing "early church fathers" in the years preceding 325AD already in a flirtatious relationship with pagan Greek philosophy."

David, my boy, that's what we professional philosophers call 'special pleading'. I gave you what you asked for (Trinitarian quotes going back to just after 100AD) but you now claim, "Oh no, not those ones. I don't like those." Trinitarians were the Church right from its inception. They're the only quotes existing. So far you've been unable to provide a single quote before Arius which supports your JW belief system.

David, do you ever examine your clear inability to honestly recount the past?
---Marc on 1/20/15


\\Glory to God The Father, Is The Holy Ghost, And Is Jesus Christ. COL.2 v 9.
---Lawrence on 1/20/15\\

While Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God, the Father is not the Son and neither is the Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/15


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'David initiated the exchange... I provided a number of quotes'- Marc.

The "quotes" Marc provided were from his beloved Platonizing "early church fathers" who were in the years preceding 325AD already in a flirtatious relationship with pagan Greek philosophy. There is no evidence these church fathers were appointed by God. JW's teach there is one God (Deut.6:4,YHWH) which had been taught by Israel since Moses' day!

Marc is a disciple of the Hellenic philosophy of "substance and nature" which leads him to teach there are multiple "creators" as Marc articulated on the "Glorification of Jesus" blog- Jesus CREATED, and also 'the Father' creates through Jesus.

Pagan polytheism!
---David8318 on 1/20/15


"Edit tendentiously?"- (Marc) learner2

However one "edits tendentiously", this kind of language is called "writing by thesaurus."

Psychologist Hans Eysenck called it (with tongue in cheek) "Meretricious and obfuscating sesquipedalianism".

As a Psychologist himself, Marc is aware of the reasons that someone (particularly in an argument) would chose $500 words rather than simple language that has us common folk reaching for a dictionary.
---scott on 1/20/15


S A

Ok.

Glory to God The Father, Is The Holy Ghost, And Is Jesus Christ. COL.2 v 9.
---Lawrence on 1/20/15


Lawrence:

You constantly sign your posts: Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.

Despise the dubious theological correctness of this comment (that has been exhaustively debated to death here), the two boldfaced words above make no sense. Do you constantly just paste this signature without ever reading it? (Also, is should not be capitalized). One typo here and there is common (and almost everybody does it), but you do it on every message.
---StrongAxe on 1/19/15


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How does somebody edit tendentiously?
---learner2 on 1/19/15


Yes, Scott, people should look at the entire thread, then they should contrast your tendentiously edited quote with the full quote, set in its context, found in any number of sites dedicated to preserving the early Church fathers' writings.

Just to let you in on a "secret": Scott doesn't actually bother going to the source material but cuts and pastes from Arian websites. By doing this Scott continues the errors and deception already built into these anti-Christian websites.
---Marc on 1/19/15


Bruce Metzger's Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament says:

"The passage is quoted in none of the Greek Fathers, who, had they known it, would most certainly have employed it in the Trinitarian controversies (Sabellian and Arian). Its first appearance in Greek is in a Greek version of the (Latin) Acts of the Lateran Council in 1215 The passage is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic), except the Latin, and it is not found (a) in the Old Latin in its early form (Tertullian Cyprian Augustine), or in the Vulgate (b) as issued by Jerome ... or (c) as revised by Alcuin..."

Cluny, which Slavonic manuscript(s) or codices are you referring to?
---scott on 1/19/15


\\accept for the Johannine Comma that was added sometime in the 14th century?\\

First off, the word you should use here is "except," not "accept."

Next, the Johannine Comma exists in versions earlier than the 14th century, including the Slavonic NT, which was translated in 800's or thereabouts.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/15


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"I dislike...JWs..." Marc

You think?

The entire exchange can be seen on the "Glorification Of Jesus" thread to determine what if anything has been misquoted. All citations attributed to the Ante Nicene "Fathers" can be easily researched.
---scott on 1/19/15


Scott, forgetting his woven web of deceit, blamed me: "I'm grateful to shed light on Marc's misconception regarding the church "Fathers"." Actually, evasive David initiated the exchange: "Could [Marc] tell where God appointed a group [before] 325AD teaching the pagan trinity?" I provided a number of quotes.

True-to-form Scott supplied a number of bowdlerised, out-of-context Church Father quotes "supporting" Brooklyn's heresy, I provide the true quote and finally Scott bleats I cheated when I rejected Origen.

No, Scott, all your misquoted Church Fathers were Trinitarians, not Arians. I've never liked Trinitarian Origen but I dislike more JWs who typically lie and distort others' words.
---Marc on 1/18/15


"God is 3 entities in one...It's in the bible more times that we have fingers." Shira4368

Shira, I'm happy to discuss, as time allows, individual references to the Holy Spirit, Son, etc.

But with your statement above ("three entities in one") are you now saying that there is not one verse that says such a thing...accept for the Johannine Comma that was added sometime in the 14th century? (1 John 5:7,8)
---scott on 1/18/15


But, have a question for you. Where are they ever called "three persons"?

My thought is why divide if three equals one and one is three? Trav

No one answered my question why does Jude refer to the Father and the Son as two?

When you can answer why the two are spoken of as separate I will answer your first question.

JESUS is still a man since He was bodily resurrected. See Revelations. We use persons because it conveys a thought in English. So do you admit that there are two since one is human and one is Spirit?

Revelation 4,5 pictures two very plainly.
---Samuelbby on 1/18/15


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Scott I found many referring to Holy Ghost but 2 are especially useful for you and that is Matthew 28:19 and the other one please read closely is 1st john 5:7
---shira4368 on 1/17/15


I'm Steadfastly holding onto One God, Colo.2 v 9, & Jesus Christ Is His name.

For double man is unstable in all his ways. Worse is For triple minded peoples 3 persons godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 which are many, Matt.7 v 13 destruction, it's you peoples choice, Not God.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 1/18/15


"God is 3 entities in one. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. It's in the bible more times that we have fingers." Shira4368

Chapter and verse(s) please.
---scott on 1/17/15


Scott, I just named 3. There is no other God but the one true God. His tomb is empty but all the "other" gods have bones in them.
---shira4368 on 1/17/15


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"God is 3 entities in one. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. It's in the bible more times that we have fingers." Shira4368

Name one.
---scott on 1/17/15


I'm here to tell you God is 3 entities in one. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. It's in the bible more times that we have fingers. Just look it up in your bible or the enternet.
---Shira4368 on 1/16/15


When speaking of the Holy Trinity, "person" does not mean human being.

But since spiritual things are spiritually discerned, I don't expect you to be able to grasp this, Lawrence.

Theology has its own language and definition for some words, just like legal terminology.

Corporations are "persons" under the law: they can be taxed, sued, and enter into contracts.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/17/15


Jesus Christ is The only person. God The Father which is Spirit dwelt in Jesus Christ. That makes only 1 person, Not 2 or 3. Only 1! Colo.2 v 9.

I hear to much UNgodly Trash about those who are smokers, drunkards, liars, fornicators, other etc, when they die they'll go to heaven, those that believe such prob think the devil will be in heaven also. Not So, sin was cast out of heaven with satan, sin will Not inter therein.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 1/16/15


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my thoughts is that there is no trinity (3 persons..one God). there is triunty in a kingdom that speaks of three governing entities. two are spirit and one rose bodily, so there is one person. all are in agreement.

...think of our govt.
---aka on 1/16/15

Yeah we're in agreement. Why don't discuss this much.

I can't think much on our Government, without getting an burn going. Sent my Senators and Congressmen several letters couple of days ago. (Check out "Nat'l Write your Congressman")
Incredible what is going on up there...or not going on. Which ever way it fits best.
Poser is trying to be dictator for life by changing term limits! Lets don't talk about him if we fish. Ha.
---Trav on 1/16/15


The Trinity doctrine is that there are three persons one GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/14/15

My thought is why divide if three equals one and one is three? ---Trav on 1/16/15

my thoughts is that there is no trinity (3 persons..one God). there is triunty in a kingdom that speaks of three governing entities. two are spirit and one rose bodily, so there is one person. all are in agreement.

think of our govt. 3 separate entities that if in agreement work as 1 strong nation.

however, man cannot do what the godhead can. if one gets out of line and usurps the power of the others, it cannot stand. never in the US' short history has it been so out of line.
---aka on 1/16/15


The Trinity doctrine is that there are three persons one GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/14/15

I've resisted wading into this discussion many times. But, have a question for you. Where are they ever called "three persons"?
Check your key subject "persons" out using translations from the original. So far find only one took the form of a "man" or what you are calling "person".

Until you brought up this person thing, i'd never looked at the original word translations for "person". Very interesting as it has several meanings used at different times in both OT and NT.
My thought is why divide if three equals one and one is three?
---Trav on 1/16/15


Agape

Noah's family on the ark, which were few.
All the other peoples in Noah's day did not take heed to Noah what he had to say. They sent themselves to destruction. Not all mocked Noah, but they still all perished together.
The Man made commandments doctrines of men 3 persons godhead peoples in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 which Are many Matt.7 v 13 are sending themselves to destruction.

The Acts Church of The Living God, which Are few. Matt.7 v 14.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 1/15/15


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The Trinity doctrine is that there are three persons one GOD.

So yes Jesus is GOD. The Bible speaks of there being two persons many times.


Jude 1:1
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

The problem with sending all Trinitarians to hell is that it would mean sending the Apostles to hell. For they are the ones who wrote the words the trinity is based on.

It is only when people choose just one or two scripture and do not follow all that the Bible says that they by ignoring scripture can make this false doctrine of oneness.

So to start off explain why Jude said what He did?

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/14/15


Cluny

For the words trinity, rapture, oneness, Even orthodox I've not found in scriptures. For those think believe in a 3 persons godhead, It Is Bible prophesy God put them in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 which Are many Matt.7 v 13, destruction hell & the lake of fire.
But this for Sure, it Is 1 God All through His Word, from Genesis to Revelation.
NOT 2 or 3 gods, Nor references for 3 persons godhead.

Only 1 Thank God.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 1/14/15


The Great Harlot of Rev 17 is Arianism.
---Cluny on 1/13/15

Blind orthodox revere constantine! You trash mouth when you should pause.
You show nothing in scripture that supports your accusations, you are without proof, as usual. There are scriptures that provide certain expectations.

Rev_22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Rev_22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
---Trav on 1/13/15


The Great Harlot of Rev 17 is Arianism.

Her abominable children are JfWs, Oneness, and others who either deny the deity of the Son and Spirit, or else confuse their persons as you do, Lawrence.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/13/15


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Cluny, Yes It Is.
You & most others can deny all you want.
But I will Not.
The 3 persons godhead belivers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6. Matt.7 v 13. Years ago I was in it.
I'm Glad I'm Not in it now.

It's Bible prophesy, just like the Bible prophesy about gog & magog, Russia
with all the other aspects that pertains to it.

Glory to God The Father which who IsJesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 1/12/15


\\The 3 persons godhead churches in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6,\\

No, they are not.

You're a liar, Lawrence.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/12/15


The 3 persons godhead churches in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, Are interfaith churches. Which Are many, Matt.7 v 13.
Do those that worship other dif gods, buddha, hindu, other etc intertwine with them? Which Are all commandments doctrines of men also. The agnostics, atheist, sexual perverts, other etc Which Are even More many Matt.7 v 13. Not of God what so ever.

Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 1/12/15


(2 of 2)
Isaiah 44:8 . . . Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God, I know not any.

1 Corintians 10:20 . . . they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

1 Timothy 4:1 . . . in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,

Since there is only one God, the other religions are worshiping devils. God does not want Christians grouping with people who do not worship Him. Only those who serve and worship the True God will go to Heaven.
---aservant on 12/15/14


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Interfaith churches are NOT Biblical. Interfaith espouses merging different people who serve different gods into one ...
---aservant on 12/15/14

Well written.
If wide way, is the Church Denoms...then "interfaith" is an 8 lane, Balaam's car pool freeway.
Jos_24:10,
2Pe_2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam ...
Jud_1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core (korah, see Num 16).
Attempt, led by Korah, to overthrow Moses, Gods prophet and Aaron his high priest, because of their own self-righteousness and love of preeminence.
---Trav on 12/15/14


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Interfaith churches are NOT Biblical. Interfaith espouses merging different people who serve different gods into one entity, the idea being "we should group together as people of faith." From a web page: As individuals in awe of the Divine, we support and respect one anothers personal spiritual path and spiritual practices.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God . . .
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Isaiah 43:11 . . . beside me there is no saviour.
Isaiah 44:6 . . . beside me there is no God.
---aservant on 12/15/14


It has nothing to do with the heresy of Universalism, which Orthodox (and Roman Catholics, for that matter) have condemned.
---Cluny on 12/1/14

The word catholic (with lowercase c, derived via Late Latin catholicus, from the Greek adjective & #954... (katholikos), meaning "universal".
Interesting, when you get caught you get wordy. You guys have condemned many things to the protestants blessings. Thanks.
Will pray for (blind for religions sake) wherever found. (Much,much easier than succumbing to your universal church recitations). But, hard too.
Ortho-doc's is found online upholding different forms beliefs and universalism.
Your sure different without StrongAxe around. Be glad when he's back.
---Trav on 12/2/14


Actually just wanted a straight answer...a hurdle which you may never achieve, unfearfully. \\

Asking which version of the Apostles Creed the Orthodox Church uses is like asking how much chocolate to put in an apple pie, and then complaining that "None" is not a straight answer.

"Catholic" in the Creed comes from "kath' olon," that is, "through the whole," Compare this with the rule of St. Vincent of Lerins.

The Slavonic and Ukrainian word here is "sobornuyu," which means consensus, conciliarity, and communion.

It has nothing to do with the heresy of Universalism, which Orthodox (and Roman Catholics, for that matter) have condemned.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/14


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All Eastern Churches use the Nicene Creed.
---Cluny on 11/26/14

Actually just wanted a straight answer...a hurdle which you may never achieve, unfearfully.
Point, is the honor to "the holy catholic Church" in both Nicene and Apostle's Creeds. Referring to the universal church. It is said not to represent the denomination but, the base belief is universalism. Making you catholic, universal, by default like your orthodox buddies.
Deu_10:15 Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
Eze_37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 12/1/14


\\Are you hinting subtly you might be Transgendered or happy? (You're all about Truth right? )\\

I want you to know that I'm reasonably happy, Trav.

However, I hate to burst your bubble, but if you're asking me for a date, please know I date only in my own species: Homo sapiens sapiens.

Unlike you, I don't worry about who other churches ordain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!!
---Cluny on 11/28/14


You must be born-again to enter Heaven and Almighty God is the Judge of this. The Lord commands His children to "come out from among them and be separate". I believe that extends to the place of worship. Why would we even entertain worshipping where powers of darkness from the heathen operate.
---helen4633 on 11/27/14


\\Some use the Apostles Creed...which honors the Catholic belief. Which you say you don't. Even the Catholics parted with with you guys.\\

No Orthodox or other Eastern Church uses the Apostles Creed, which is merely a local western one.

All Eastern Churches use the Nicene Creed.

Or are you under the wrong impression that this is just a variant from of the Apostles Creed, which wrong assumption led to your question about which form the Orthodox use?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/26/14


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You keep on criticizing Orthodoxy, though you clearly know nothing about it.
Orthodox don't use the Apostles' Creed
---Cluny on 11/25/14

Never criticized them specifically. Just your representation of. Through your lukewarm witness knowing it better. Your pedestalled reverance of the orthodox, who are also found to have no unified agreement between them in belief being a divided denom. Perhaps deeper, greater than Protestants or Catholics.

Some use the Apostles Creed...which honors the Catholic belief. Which you say you don't. Even the Catholics parted with with you guys.
Will consider questions you didn't answer a "yes" for affirmation as there is no light given by denial. Silence is not denial.
---Trav on 11/26/14


You keep on criticizing Orthodoxy, though you clearly know nothing about it.

Orthodox don't use the Apostles' Creed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/25/14


Why do you think I'm Orthodox?
---Cluny on 11/25/14

I don't. Know you are completely un-orthodox visualizing yourself as captain Orthodocs.
You never said...
Which Apostles Creed do you recite?
Which of the two bothered you recently at the Washington Cathedral. Muslim praying there or the Transgendered priest preaching?
You made the statement below.
\\ referring to what happened recently at the Washington Cathedral, know that this is why I'm NOT an Episcopalian.(Cluny)\\
---Trav on 11/25/14


Next, you complained that the Orthodox Church doesn't have women priests.
Why do transgendered clergy bother YOU so much?
---Cluny on 11/25/14

But then you would be forming a false witness lie. I never complained.
I pointed out your two faces on women. Ortho's/you won't tolerate a woman priest in your church but, you promote one for President.

Seeing and raising all in by your false suppositions. It would be better to ask would I be bothered by you being transgendered clergy? Not at all. Expect it. Come on out. Are you hinting subtly you might be Transgendered or happy? (You're all about Truth right? )
---Trav on 11/25/14


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Trav, I saw which way the Episcopal Church was headed back in 1972. Why do you think I'm Orthodox?

Next, you complained that the Orthodox Church doesn't have women priests. Why do transgendered clergy bother YOU so much?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/25/14


What you should be concerned about, Steveng, is if God will allow YOU into heaven, and the members of your worldly denominational "church".
---Cluny on 11/22/14

He's probably worried about you. You guys being a works based religion.

Which one of the two upset you Cluny, at the Washington Cathedral, the Muslim prayer or the transgendered Priest preaching?

Eze 37:28 the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 11/25/14


\\My High Priest outranks yours and their\\

But MY High Priest who is Jesus outranks YOURS, trav.

And the military chaplains are not interfaith, only the spaces that are used for services.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/25/14


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