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Pope's Belief In Evolution

The Pope recently affirmed his belief in Evolution, and even went so far as to state that "God is not a divine being". Do you agree?

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Trav:
I'm back after two and a half months on the hospital (a wee bit of chemotherapy, plus many weeks of being healthy but bored, waiting for my numbers...).
---StrongAxe on 1/19/15

StrongAxe,
I'm sorry I missed this post. Just now seen it. Dang it, you scared us, this place wasn't 100% without your input considerations. Glad you are back.
I wasn't asking about your previous Blog names. I was asking if you knew Cluny's two others that he used. Just prodding him. Doesn't matter.
I've got a spot on my Pancreas Dr's been looking at since last Oct. Doc's said it was shrinking last visit. Hey, we're blessed for every day we get.
Power Blessing on StrongAxe and strength for whatever test of life comes our way.
---Trav on 2/3/15


Mike: Are you still there?



---jerry6593 on 1/30/15


Isaiah 46:9 - Remember the former things of old: For I am God and there is none else , I am God , and there is none like me ,
Isaiah 46:10 - Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times the things that are not yet done , saying my counsel shall stand, and I will do all of my pleasure,

Genesis 1:1 - IN the beginning God created the heaven and the earth,
Genesis 1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void , and darkness was upon the face of the deep, And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,
Genesis 1:3 - And God said, let there be light: and there was light, ---------------------------------------------------------->
---RichardC on 1/19/15


Trav:

I'm back after two and a half months on the hospital (a wee bit of chemotherapy, plus many weeks of being healthy but bored, waiting for my numbers to stabilize).

I went by Mark my first couple of weeks on the blogs years ago, but somebody else was also using that name, so I switched to this one to avoid confusion.
---StrongAxe on 1/19/15


\\Strong Axe know your other alias?
How is he by the way? \\

He was discharged to home Saturday.

Keep praying.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/15




Nope. I've never used Mark or Lee with any number.
---Cluny on 1/10/15

So you used Mark, mark, marc, or Lee, lee, le without a number?

You'd be recognized no matter what name you used. What is your hesitation to give it? You're Cluny, the Orthodox, a distinct flavor by your own pen.
Strong Axe know your other alias?
How is he by the way?

Heb_13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
---Trav on 1/12/15


\\Are you another variation of Lee? or Mark? Were you Mark 5, 4, 3, 2, or 1? \\

Nope. I've never used Mark or Lee with any number.

\\You seem afraid someone will look up the old post you made under the name?\\

Go ahead and look up Jack (be sure to capitalize it, names are case sensitive).

Those you find will probably not me be, because another person hijacked it.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/10/15


The Popes since Pius XII have said that the theory of Evolution is reconcilable with Creation. "Divine Being" is a bad translation from the Latin for Demiurge. He was probably making reference to creatio ex nihilo, and that may brings up another Romanist belief that the Big Bang theory is also compatible with creation. Isaiah 30:10-11, 2Timothy 3:1-9, 4:3-4, Titus 1:10-16.
---Glenn on 1/8/15


God time is not the same as our time,god speech in term of everlasting .forever.as in 2peter 3:8

2Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

3Thou turnest man to destruction, and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday.or in Psalm 90:verse 4
---JERRY_L_BRYANT on 1/8/15


\\Who took it? \\
Why are you so interested?
---Cluny on 1/7/15

More curious surely because of the effort you are making to avoid revealing it. Ha.
And always thought you were the original, unique, Cluny, named for your cat. Did you ever post the name changes for awareness?
If not how long was everyone misled by your previous multiple identity's?

Reminds me of the two other guys (perhaps you) here who have changed their identity's multiple times.
Are you another variation of Lee? or Mark? Were you Mark 5, 4, 3, 2, or 1?
You seem afraid someone will look up the old post you made under the name? Perhaps that is why you changed it to begin with.
---Trav on 1/8/15




Mike: I didn't realize that you'd been put in charge of my judgment. Was God too busy?

The pope has been considered the antichrist since the time of the protestant reformation. I would suspect that you are a Catholic and are offended that I would dare to disagree with your vicar of Christ. If you have time apart from your judgment duties, perhaps you could address the blog question and explain why you prefer the pope's theory of Evolution over Christ's claim of a six-day fiat Creation.

Glory to the six-day Creator Jesus Christ!


---jerry6593 on 1/8/15


\\Who took it? \\

And how would I know?

Why are you so interested?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/7/15


\\What was the "one other"? Or the other "one"\\

Since another has taken it over, does it matter?
---Cluny on 1/6/15

Who took it? What was it? Would like to know who is who? Or who you previously were. Don't understand your reluctance to give it. Unless you're afraid of him/her.
You're saying as well that there was another, was it Jack, that has quit posting.
---Trav on 1/7/15


\\Now the way you quote his statements is factually incorrect - my suspicion is that you 'accepted' those mistakes simply because you do not like the Pope.\\

The Papacy has been a special target of SDA paranoia since the time of EGW.

However, in jerry's favor, it must be said that the secular media misquotes the pope more so than other religious figures, and Pope Francis in particular.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/7/15


Dear jerry6593: There are VERY sever punishments if you bear false witness against you 'neighbor' - and the Pope is you neighbor, you know.

The Jewish punishments even included death.

Now the way you quote his statements is factually incorrect - my suspicion is that you 'accepted' those mistakes simply because you do not like the Pope.

Now you may have the excuse that you have a personal mental problem that prevents you from telling the truth - but the law of Moses still requires your death!
---Mike on 1/6/15


c luny: Repeating a lie does not make it truth. If Evolution is a "possibility" as you insist, then Christ's claim of a six-day creation is possibly false. How then can you claim to glorify Christ while believing that he might be lying?



---jerry6593 on 1/7/15


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\\What was the "one other"? Or the other "one"\\

Since another has taken it over, does it matter?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/6/15


I have used only "Jack" and one other. Someone else took them both over.
---Cluny on 1/6/15

At the least your 1/2 honest.

What was the "one other"? Or the other "one".

Pro_22:1 A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold.
Ecc_7:1 A good name is better than precious ointment, and the day of death than the day of one's birth.
---Trav on 1/6/15


\\How many false names have you used on CN?\\

I have used only "Jack" and one other. Someone else took them both over.

You are the liar, jerry, and the slanderer, accusing me of doing things I have not done.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/6/15


c luny: "NOW who's lying, jerry?"

You are - still.

How many false names have you used on CN?


---jerry6593 on 1/6/15


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\\ Just find any of your posts that contain the words SDA or Ellen White - a lie follows.\\

I will repeat: EVERYTHING I have said about SDA or EGW can be verified on the appropriate primary sites. In the case of EGW, this would be the White Estate site.

\\ yet you adhere to the non-Orthodox doctrines of Theistic Evolution, false worship days, spiritualism and salvation by denomination.\\

I have never said I adhered to theistic evolution, but merely as a possibility.

On which day are we forbidden to worship?

SDA officially declares itself to be the remnant church, and one must confess this to be baptized as SDA.

NOW who's lying, jerry?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 1/5/15


cluny: "And just what lies have I told, jerry?"

Just find any of your posts that contain the words SDA or Ellen White - a lie follows.

You also claim to glorify Christ, when in fact you denigrate Him by disputing His handwritten claim of six-day creation (Exo 20:11).

You claim to be Orthodox - believing the doctrine of the original Apostles - yet you adhere to the non-Orthodox doctrines of Theistic Evolution, false worship days, spiritualism and salvation by denomination.


---jerry6593 on 1/5/15


And just what lies have I told, jerry?

Please be specific.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/14


Peter: Thanks for dragging the discussion back to the blog topic. Apparently, the only topic Cluny is capable of discussing is attacking SDAs with lies, distortions, etc. You are correct in that the wording I used was from a secondary source and not from the Pope himself. That being said, his comments nonetheless dispute the biblical account of fiat creation and infer a creative power within nature itself to produce new life forms. This is the non-Orthodox view of theistic evolution adhered to by Cluny and a few others.


---jerry6593 on 12/27/14


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Cluny: Even taking the Pope's comments the way he said them, there are some things I do not actually.

His comments on 'He created beings and left them to develop according to the internal laws that He gave each one' is a statement which seems to allow some, though not all, evolution.

The question of what 'development' God gave to animals is a complex question.

The 'God is not a divine being' is NOT present in the statement - the term used was "God is not a demiurge [demigod]" - that is VERY different, Jerry.

Just so you know what you are discussing!
---Peter on 12/26/14


\\ All SDAs are baptized by full immersion. \\

So what? The Jewish Mikveh is full immersion, too. But into what are you baptized?

SDAs have a faulty soteriology that makes Satan the sin bearer.

Its Christology is also Arian.

Orthodox services may, and should be, held on ALL days of the week.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/14


Cluny: "FWIW, when SDAs become Orthodox, they must be received by baptism"

What is that supposed to mean? All SDAs are baptized by full immersion. And, as for Orthodoxy - the adherence to the doctrines of the Apostles - we are more orthodox than you in that we don't adhere to false worship days or false Creation myths as you do.

Glory to the Six-day Creator Jesus Christ!


---jerry6593 on 12/24/14


jerry, did you get your papal quotation from the actual statement he made from the Vatican press, or did you get it from the secular media?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/14


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The Pope is still learning, but not correct.
---Jimbo on 12/22/14


\\Cluny: If you were any kind of scholar at all (or a Christian for that matter), you would give the actual EGW quotes in context. But you don't, rather choosing to perpetuate a distortion of her words obtained from your favorite hate-SDA's website. \\

All my quotes can be verified on the White estate website.

FWIW, when SDAs become Orthodox, they must be received by baptism, and not like non-Orthodox Christians.

The Saturday sabbath issue is the LEAST of their problems.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/22/14


Cluny: If you were any kind of scholar at all (or a Christian for that matter), you would give the actual EGW quotes in context. But you don't, rather choosing to perpetuate a distortion of her words obtained from your favorite hate-SDA's website.

Why can't you stay on topic and address your common belief with the Pope on the Non-Orthodox doctrine of Theistic Evolution, rather than dodging the issue to attack a poor old dead woman?


---jerry6593 on 12/21/14


That would make sense for the pope to make that declaration. The catholic religion is not a Christian religion and their pope is their god. The vicar of Christ is their replacement for the Lord of the Sabbath. The meaning of the word vicar from the latin definition is replacement, or more correctly substitute or successor. There is the Lord of the Sabbath found in the collection of books known as the Bible and there is the catholics substitute of the Lord of the sabbath they call the vicar of Christ, or pope, found in their catechism who they worship on a day they call the Lords day aka Sunday. For pope to claim the Great God of Creation is not divine would be fitting for their beliefs.
---LeahMary71 on 12/20/14


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\\Yes Cluny but the statement was based on the finishing of spreading the Gospel to the entire world. \\

No, it wasn't.

Try again.

EGW also said that Great Britain would attack the Union during the Civil War.

Another false prophecy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/14


Yes Cluny but the statement was based on the finishing of spreading the Gospel to the entire world.

Since that did not happen the prophecy did not happen.

Tell me what have you read by Ellen G. White?

I usually don't post her words but you might find this interesting.

"Our only hope is perfect trust in the blood of Him who can save to the uttermost all that come unto God by Him. The death of Christ on the cross of Calvary is our only hope in this world, and it will be our theme in the world to come."

What Was Secured by the Death of Christ. Page 1
By Mrs. E. G. White
---Samuelbb7 on 12/19/14


Cluny: "Assuming there were babies being born there at that moment, the youngest would be round 160 years.

EGW is a false prophet."


Do you also think that Jesus was a false prophet? He said to the High Priest:

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Do you think that the High Priest is 2000 years old or that Jesus lied? Why not open your hate-filled mind to the possibility that there will be a special resurrection for certain people just prior to Christ's return?


---jerry6593 on 12/19/14


\\ They mean the same as they would for any of the Bible's prophets. \\


But EGW is a false prophet, as can be seen here.

In ine 1850's, she said of an Adventist conference, "My angel told me that of those present, some would be food for worms, some would be subjects of the 7 last plagues, and others would be alive to be translated when Jesus returns."

Assuming there were babies being born there at that moment, the youngest would be round 160 years.

EGW is a false prophet.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/14


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Cluny: 'What else can these words mean?"

They mean the same as they would for any of the Bible's prophets. The messenger was fallible, but the message was not. Why do you hijack this blog about the Pope and Evolution to denigrate a woman who died 100 years ago?

The fact is that you, like the Pope, do NOT believe the ORTHODOX, biblical version of fiat Creation, but rather the modern theory of Theistic Evolution.

Glory to the orthodox Creator Jesus Christ!



---jerry6593 on 12/18/14


What part of "In Orthodoxy, no individual can claim infallibility" did you not understand?

Where did you get the notion that **I** believed the pope was infallible?

\\As to your false claim that Ellen White claimed infallibility, she wrote:\\

Here's something else EGW wrote:

"When I send you a testimony of reproof or correction, you reject it as being merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the spirit of God."

What else can these words mean?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/14


Cluny: "Roman Catholics believe that under certain VERY carefully defined conditions, a papal statement is intended to be accepted as infallible."


Yes, but DO YOU?


As to your false claim that Ellen White claimed infallibility, she wrote:

In regard to infallibility, I never claimed it, God alone is infallible. - Selected Messages Book 1, p. 37.4

I do not claim infallibility, or even perfection of Christian character. I am not free from mistakes and errors in my life. - Daughters of God, p. 272


---jerry6593 on 12/16/14


\\Logically, this implies that YOU believe that "infallible" statements do exist (ex cathedra). Do you?\\

No, you are logically false.

Roman Catholics believe that under certain VERY carefully defined conditions, a papal statement is intended to be accepted as infallible.

Roman Catholic theologians disagree among themselves which statements are to be accepted as infallible.

In Orthodoxy, no individual can claim infallibility.

Of course, EGW, whose name adds up to 666, claimed infallibility for everything she wrote.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/15/14


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Cluny: "I've already said that this was NOT an infallible statement, nor was it intended to be.

What part did you not understand of "not intended as infallible"?"


Logically, this implies that YOU believe that "infallible" statements do exist (ex cathedra). Do you?

Ex cathedra infallibility my ___.


---jerry6593 on 12/13/14


\\Ex cathedra infallibility my ___.


---jerry6593 on 12/8/14\\

I've already said that this was NOT an infallible statement, nor was it intended to be.

What part did you not understand of "not intended as infallible"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/14


Cluny: See, you really are a Catholic wannabe, defending the Pope because he agrees with your NON-ORTHODOX belief in theistic Evolution.

Ex cathedra infallibility my ___.


---jerry6593 on 12/8/14


Trav, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Have you?
---learner2 on 12/1/14

Ahhh, so sorry, my mistake. Dang, wrong number. Was looking for a Learners Heart. Wasn't there.

Heb_10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,
Eze_11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you, and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Mat 13:15 ... lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
---Trav on 12/2/14


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Trav?
"Gentiles" is .. equivalent of the Greek "ethnoi," ...
Try again.
----Cluny on 12/1/14

Just started pointing, for any thirsty or sick of questions created by dogma/doc's of men.
Ethnos means - "nation".
Singular people are not called a "nation."
Calling an individual, "gentile" - comes from incorrect translation of the original word.
English word - Gentile - origin is Latin gentelisis and French gentil, both from root stem gens, a Latin word meaning - "Selected Clan or Race of same stock," collectively.
Better the translators used - "nation" - in every instance, context would show whether ethnos was nations of Israel or of non-Israel.
---Trav on 12/2/14


Trav, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Have you?
---learner2 on 12/1/14


\\Yes, you'll find where men tried to hide or change GOD's words, (latin)"gentiles" for instance.\\

Oh, really, Trav?

"Gentiles" is the English version of the Latin "gentium", equivalent of the Greek "ethnoi," which was used in the LXX to translate the Hebrew "goy."

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/14


Who has decided that the Bible is the final authority? The Bible certainly does not claim that for itself.
---learner2 on 11/30/14

Men's doctrines or Scriptures? Scriptures even though printed by men. Truth is found through the line of witnesses.
Yes, you'll find where men tried to hide or change GOD's words, (latin)"gentiles" for instance. When found out, researched, it is seen again that what GOD wants found, is. But, only by one seeking/asking with his whole heart.
You have the heart...do you have the tenacity for truth?
Luk_12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Luk_24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
---Trav on 12/1/14


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The Pope when he speaks Ex-Cathedra is the final authority of teaching on earth.
...to be the head of all Christians including the Orthodox. Which they do not accept.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/30/14

Study to escape this wide path.
You've been indoctrinated to the maximum. Controlled by your denom.
Control, is what this organization feeds on.
You are correct in that "protestants" do not accept him. He is the authority over corrupted teachings and confusion and absolutely nothing in my world.
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, ...
2Pe 2:2 many shall follow ... of.
2Pe 2:3 through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you:
---Trav on 12/1/14


Who has decided that the Bible is the final authority? The Bible certainly does not claim that for itself. So it is a man-made doctrine.
---learner2 on 11/30/14


\\The Pope when he speaks Ex-Cathedra is the final authority of teaching on earth.\\

Francis's off-the-cuff remarks about evolution were NOT an ex cathedra statement, however.

Does this matter to you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/14


The Pope when he speaks Ex-Cathedra is the final authority of teaching on earth.

The Pope who according to their teaching was appointed by Peter to be the head of all Christians including the Orthodox. Which they do not accept.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/30/14


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Cluny, it is always revealing, and somewhat disappointing, when someone accuses another of lying when there is no lie.

There is not one hint in Scripture that God used evolution to create, but more than adequate to show He did not. If you believe that the Neo-Darwinian theory of Evolution is compatible with Scripture I would like to hear the details of how this is so, with Biblical quotes.

The Pope has set himself above God's word, choosing to reject the straight forward meaning of Genesis and imposing a nonBiblical man-made, ever-changing view upon the never-changing word of God.
---Warwick on 11/30/14


\\I suppose if anyone sets himself or any man as an authority above God's word then we can expect no less.\\

The Pope has never done that, but truth doesn't matter when it's time to play BTC.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/30/14


It's been reported today on the news that the Pope, while visiting the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, prayed facing the direction of Mecca.

God's vicar? Yeh, sure!

---marcon 11/30/14

What news agency? Isn't yhat a straight line through Israel too?
---aka on 11/30/14


I suppose if anyone sets himself or any man as an authority above God's word then we can expect no less.

For me and mine we will always prefer God's word on Creation to man's changing evolutionary opinions.

Psalm 146:3 "Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation.

In an organization which terms its Cardinals Princes of the church, what can you expect? Pope Francis was previously Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio.

Put not your trust in princes indeed!
---Warwick on 11/29/14


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\\the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (an oxymoron, IMHO) \\

Is that any more oxymornic than an SDA hospital transplanting a baboon heart into a baby girl, as happened in California some years back?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/30/14


It's been reported today on the news that the Pope, while visiting the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, prayed facing the direction of Mecca.

God's vicar? Yeh, sure!
---marc on 11/30/14


Pope Francis knows what's what, I must say.
---learner2 on 11/29/14


Cluny is right. There is no reason to fear chemtrails. Also, there is no reason to believe what the common explanation is. For about 50 years, I have been watching jets fly high. it still amazes me. But in my observation when I was younger, the vapor trail disappeared almost immediately. Nowadays, there are some that do this and there are some that leave a trail that does not dissipate for a while. And it is the same fuel. so, there must be something added.

Altitude is the main explanation. But watch. The trails are usually at lower altitudes and there are some jets that are really high that do not leave a trail that lasts more than a few seconds because it is just vapor.
---aka on 11/29/14


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\\Marc: Very well stated! The real dimwits are those who would believe that any mere mortal man (such as the Pope) is "infallible", even if only occasionally. \\

And in my observation, most Protestants consider themselves infallible in doctrinal matters.

Of course, EGW considered herself to be infallible in everything. I've read her own writings where she said as much.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/29/14


\\"And are you still looking in fear for chem trails". Cluny, what is chem trails?
---Helen4633 on 11/28/14\\

I'm sorry. I have confused you with another Helen + 4 digits, who DID talk about chem trails and various conspiracy ideas.

BTW--the way things work with the alphabetizing system here, "HELEN", "Helen, " and "helen" are considered three different names.

Good idea to be consistent.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/28/14


Marc: Very well stated! The real dimwits are those who would believe that any mere mortal man (such as the Pope) is "infallible", even if only occasionally.



Cluny: You have confirmed your theory of "stinky" opinions on many occasions.



---jerry6593 on 11/29/14


"And are you still looking in fear for chem trails". Cluny, what is chem trails?
---Helen4633 on 11/28/14


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The Pope (Christ's vicar, having a sacerdotal hotline to God) said, "Evolution in nature isn't opposed to the notion of Creation, because evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve."

The Pope meant:
"Chance in the world's not opposed to the notion of planning, because chance presupposes the planning of beings that come about by chance."
or even this:
"Chance change in the world's not opposed to the notion of planned design, because chance change presupposes the planned design of beings that change by chance."

Either case, what a dimwit!

A Christian denomination leader must get facts right on IMPORTANT issues and not make such ignorantly vacuous, circular comments.
---Marc on 11/28/14


FWIW, I searched "Pope + Evolution."

Three major national periodicals gave conflicting reports of what Pope Francis said.

Make of this what you will.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/28/14


\\The trinity's head honcho Rev.17 vs 4 5 6\\

There is no mention of anything resembling the Trinity in these verses. Why do you keep saying so?

**Cluny: The Pope made these statements in an address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (an oxymoron, IMHO)**

You know what they say about opinions. They are like where we sit down. Everybody's got one, and they are all full of the same stinky stuff.

Samuel, every RC I know knows that not all papal utterances are infallible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/28/14


The trinity's head honcho Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 the pope Is under the power of darkness influence. From the first pope even now, their followers which are many Matt.7 v 13. (excluding Apostle Peter. He took the salvation of God Acts 2 v 38 to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost.)
The pope saying about evolution, he also said atheist don't have to believe in God to go to heaven, other etc. Even in Corrupt politics. There's even More ABOMINATIONS of the earth.
I used be in baptist church which is part of Rev.17 vs 4 5 6. Than God I'm Not no more.
---Lawrence on 11/28/14


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Cluny: The Pope made these statements in an address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (an oxymoron, IMHO) on October 28th. His beliefs are in line with yours - Theistic Evolution.


---jerry6593 on 11/28/14


You are right Cluny not all the pope says is considered infallible. But not all Catholics see that distinction.


Mat 23:9,10

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

I do not call anyone Master.

Also this might be a hoax or internet lie. That is very possible.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/28/14


\\Also power over what many believe.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/27/14\\

Not everything the Pope says comes under the heading of "infallible." There are several conditions that have to be met.

And I would like to know where jerry got this tidbit. I've learned that the comments of leaders of ANY religion are frequently misreported by the secular media.

**He would also adhere to Christ's command to "not call anyone father"**

Helen, without looking at your Bible, can you tell us what the next verse says?

And are you still looking in fear for chem trails?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/27/14


I have never heard this said but Roman Catholic fall far short of the glory of God because they have been misled for a very long time. Those who do the misleading will be held responsible for causing the fall of so many.

I personally do not believe in evolution but DO believe that God is divine.

The pope is held in high esteem by many human beings but all that adulation will be worthless on Judgement Day.
---Rita_H on 11/27/14


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How unGodly is the pope. If he knew God then he would not say and believe these things. He would also adhere to Christ's command to "not call anyone father". Roman Catholics blindly believe what they are told, not bothering to get hold of a Bible and read for themselves to find the truth.
---Helen_4633 on 11/27/14


The Pope is the leader of the World's largest denomination. We need to at least pay some attention as he has a lot of political power. Also power over what many believe.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/27/14


I don't pay as much attention to the Pope as you seem to, jerry. What's the context of his remarks?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/27/14


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