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Warwick
I would argue as you,...
---David on 12/18/14

Your heart is good David. Your intent for any or all. But, you'll reflect at some point, your
Davidic namesake never put a sheepskin coat on a wolf to call it a sheep.
Yes, it usually takes awhile always hopeful. Each opportunity is a test.
Christ you follow is even more blunt.
Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, turn again and rend you.
Have been rended by even registered rendercella's.
---Trav on 12/18/14


David,

According to your Gospel, would you please explain the following: "But to him who DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES on him who justifies the ungodly, HIS FAITH is accounted for righteousness" (Romans 4:5).
---Marc on 12/18/14


//Examples of that slander? (Revelation 22:12)// David

Amazing how Paul's teaching and stolen audience is used to talk about anything other than the last two chapters of Rev. it weakens the integrity and usefulness of an otherwise beautiful and warm woven story.

I once took a nap with an afghan cover given to me by the church. On first sight, it was beautiful. Later I took a nap covering myself with the afghan. When I woke, I was cold especially where the built in holes were and my skin was a little irritated by the cover. then in time it started to unravel.

It was very nice and thouthful. But now rest easy and sleep with a Comforter.
---aka on 12/18/14


Warwick
I would argue as you, if I based my faith on the Protestant Doctrine of Salvation. I'm trying to show you and others, that doctrine is not based on the teachings of Christ or on Paul's epistles.
---David on 12/18/14


Warwick
No,.... I exposed the conflict between the Lords teachings, and your doctrine, a doctrine which makes Paul an accessory to the lies.

There is no conflict between Jesus and Paul in what I teach, where as your doctrine, clearly slanders both Jesus and Paul.

Examples of that slander?
You teach Good Works has no bearing on Eternal life, when in (Revelation 22:12) & (Matthew 16:27), Jesus clearly says it does.
And in (Romans 2:5-7), Paul teaches those who do "Good works" will receive Eternal Life.

What I teach, stands in defense, of those which your doctrine call liars. I would rather expose to you, your shame now, than when you stand before those you have shamed.
---David on 12/18/14




David, you came as one seeking, now revealed as one with 'malice a forethought.' You manufacture conflict between Jesus and Paul, when Jesus selected Paul, and the Bible is Jesus' word.

You write something which is contradicted however you admit nothing and move to your next point. Two Timothy 4:14 shows your definition of 'reward' is not as used in Scripture. Therefore your point is invalid.

Ephesians 2:8-10 shows we are saved by God's grace "not your own doing...not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Forgiven by Him, His good works now ours to be done.
---Warwick on 12/17/14


//James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?//

David,
Let me give you an analogy to understand James's verse here. James definition of faith here is trust, where Paul's is of freedom, both are correct.
Analogy - I have a chair (God) it looks good and I have faith that the chair will support (salvation) me. However, I never sit in the chair. James would say I don't have faith in the chair, because it does not create an action. So my faith is in the chair's construction, but the work is me sitting in the chair. Placing my trust in the chair. Paul's definition of work is to earn favor for salvation, which James would agree with that it cannot be done.
---Scott1 on 12/17/14


David, i agree but with caveat...

John 15:5 ESV

I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.

unless the works are done through you from above, the works burn away. The father's works are manifest in the fruit of the Spirit (gal 5).

A work though it seem good to us may be nothing to the father.
Matthew 7:21-23 KJV

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not... in thy name done many wonderful works?
---aka on 12/17/14


Warwick
Now the question is, why is faith without works, worthless?
Jesus gives us the reason in (John 14:21).

Can we be saved if God the Father doesn't love us, doesn't even know us? (1 John 4:8)
---David on 12/17/14


Luke 8:15 "But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience."
---Nana on 12/17/14




Good works are not the cause of salvation but evidence of salvation as James says.--Warwick

Warwick
Did Paul teach "We are Saved by Grace, through Faith", or "We are saved, and then we will have faith"?
If you say the former, faith must play a role in our salvation.

(James 2:14) What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

According to what you believe, wouldn't your answer to James be Yes? Was that the answer he was after?

In (John 14:23), Jesus confirms Paul's "Grace through faith" teaching, that "Good works" comes before salvation.
---David on 12/17/14


Warwick
Doesn't it bother you, just a little, to know you are teaching the opposite of what Christ taught?
---David on 12/16/14

Mat_13:19, "Wayside" seed mark perhaps, by "absence" of regard for any and all witness scriptures.
Noted discarding of scripture for personal reward here or the other side. Climbing another way.
Joh_10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Mat_10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward, and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
---Trav on 12/17/14


David, 'reward' cuts two ways: a blessing upon those who follow and serve the Lord, doing His good works, and condemnatory judgement upon those who reject or disobey Him, those whose works are evil. See 2 Timothy 4:14 which speaks to the negative reward Alexander will receive, using the same Greek word as in Matthew 16:27.

Good works are not the cause of salvation but evidence of salvation as James says.

Likewise with Revelation 22:12 Jesus as judge will 'reward' the evil as they deserve and give blessed rewards (vs 7) to the faithful who when saved were diligent in good works!

You strive vainly to sow confusion regarding the Truth of God's word. What will be your 'reward' David?
---Warwick on 12/16/14


(Matthew 16:27) For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He shall reward every man according to his works.

(Revelation 22:12)
And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every man according as his work shall be.


Warwick
Yet above, Jesus taught quite the opposite of what you believe Paul taught.
Doesn't it bother you, just a little, to know you are teaching the opposite of what Christ taught?

Reward:something given or received in return or recompense for service.

---David on 12/16/14


David over the years others have begun in an apparently seeking way as you, only to then come out in a way which showed their minds had already been made up. Possibly you are another.

Ephesians 2:8 makes the situation clear "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast" Ephesians 2:8,9. Read also Romans 3:24,28, 9:16,Ephesians 2:5, 1 Corinthians 1:29, 2 Timothy 1:9. All by grace, by God's unmerited favour.

Then carefully read James ch 2, where he shows that those forgiven will show the reality of their faith in the good works they do.

Christianity is a galley, not a cruise ship.
---Warwick on 12/15/14


Pt.1
By reading the flow of Scripture you see all of God's revelation, in perspective.
---Warwick on 12/14/14

Perspective? In all that reading you completely missed context scriptural,Israel.
Israels beginning.
Israels Childhood.
Israels Marriage?
Israels Divorce?
Israels Betrothal for Remarriage?
All prophecy's regarding.
You are not the lone st-ranger. Also missed it but, then not am a (so-"called")preacher. Almost all preachers will/do miss it. They will and do, because of what they eat, popularity. Yum.
---Trav on 12/15/14


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Pt. 2
reading the flow of Scripture you see all of God's revelation, in perspective.
---Warwick on 12/14/14

Understanding comes by asking then reading. Not reading and never asking. You may never ask at your age. Like Saul, you would lose face, with your blind peers. Not popular, rather the opposite. Couldn't rely on their opinions. Opinions are not scripture.
Mat_7:7 Ask, it shall be given you, seek, ye shall find, knock, it shall be opened unto you:
Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
(Interesting Israel scriptural timeline, for times like these)
---Trav on 12/15/14


David it is nice that I get told that I teach too much grace.

In John 3 JESUS stated that we are to be Born again by the Spirit. That except we be Born Again we cannot see the kingdom of GOD.

We cannot make ourselves Born Again that is the work of the Holy Spirit.

John 14 is about those who are following GOD. They will work and do because they love GOD. If they are not working and doing it is because they do not love GOD.


Luke 17:9

Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.

GOD owes us nothing for doing right. Read the Parable. GOD saves us and loves us while we are sinners. But once we are saved we turn from sin in love and actions.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/15/14


... i started verifying what i was reading, i started to understand more ...
---aka on 12/14/14

And "unveiled" by marks on "your" heart.
Heb 8:10 ...I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Rom_2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)
Isa_42:16 I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not, I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
---Trav on 12/15/14


warwick, the amount of years and times most does not necessarily mean much.

what i meant to say is that i never hear lectures on the last two chapters of rev. i always have to ask why when something that is there is never mentioned.

i have no traces to Jacob's blood as far as i know. but, as i started verifying what i was reading, i started to understand more and the bible made a lot more sense to me. i have no traces of gentile blood that i know of either.

most search the scriptures in order to prove their own salvation. to me, that is jesus' job. there is nothing in me that will save me. that is what i read.
---aka on 12/14/14


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Warwick & Samuel
Our acts of love, our "Good works", are what draws a man closer to God. This is what Jesus taught in (John 14:21).

The "Works by Grace" doctrine, you believe in, is flawed for two reasons.
The first, it has no foundation in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Not only is it not founded on the Gospels, but actually refutes the teachings of Christ.

The second, it defines the Grace of God as Unmerited, which is clearly refuted by Jesus in (John 14:21) and the relationships God had with man throughout the Bible.

Jesus taught about rewards. Why does someone receive a reward?
Isn't it for what someone has done? Your doctrine teaches rewards are given for no reason at all.

---David on 12/15/14


David, you asked how anyone can believe one teaching but not the other. There is no two teachings concerning salvation. Salvation is by the grace of God. Romans 2:5-7 does not teach another way to salvation. We already understand that the Bible consistently teaches that God's judgment is always on the basis of man's deeds, (Is. 3:10,11: Jer. 17:10: John 5:28,29: 1 Cor. 3:9: 2 Cor. 5:10) In those passages Paul was describing the deeds of two distinct groups. Believers are not judge by their deeds, for there is no judgment for the believers. Only for unbelievers. Believers receive rewards for their good deeds, the bad deeds are burned.
---Luke on 12/15/14


Aka, as you have been reading these blogs for a long time you should know I begin at Genesis and read through to the end of Revelation, then begin again. I have being doing this for decades. By reading the flow of Scripture you see all of God's revelation, in perspective.

I do also read and study topically.
---Warwick on 12/14/14


Works are done as a labor of love for GOD and others. They are not sufficient to earn anything. For when we obey we are only doing what we are supposed to be doing.
Luke 17:9

Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.

Love cause us to work above just obeying.


Romans 13:8-10
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/14/14


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thank you all for returning from the CNet MMA.

warwick,in 2009, i started blogging. learned different heresies and found more christian mixed theology. between the two, i read more scripture(and hebrew and greek)Rom 1:14. i found that defending modern christianity with modern christian mixology was quite difficult. then, i pulled away...off and on for a long while. i just recently started posting again. upon return, i began to listen (not argue) and read more scripture. if you read carefully, jesus was quite cryptic and evasive. it's up to all of us to have a better understanding of what we read. one verse theology confused me more than anything. so, i started reading the end instead of single verses. try it.
---aka on 12/13/14


(Romans 2:13) For it is not the hearers of the law who are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Warwick
More of the same teaching, where Paul clearly taught obedience to the Law justifies a man before God.

The question, How do we reconcile both teachings, "Grace without works", along with what Paul teaches here in (Romans 2)?
They must be reconciled, for there is no such thing as a half Truth, which is all you have, if you only teach one.

The answer is in the use of the word "Works", the reason for your "Works". Is the work done in expectation of payment (Eternal life), or is your obedience a labor of love, love for God and man?
---David on 12/14/14


Salvation is by the grace of God, not by works-Warwick

Warwick
You get this teaching from Paul and yet, Paul also wrote in (Romans 2:5-8).
God, who will render to each one according to his Deeds, Eternal Life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality, but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousnessindignation and wrath..

Why do you except one teaching, and not the other?
Please explain, I'm honestly trying to understand how you can believe in only one of these teachings.
---David on 12/13/14


Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent." John 6:28,29
---marc on 12/12/14

Exactly and continuing with The "rest of the story"... below Joh 6:31...our fathers did....
Joh 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Joh 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert, as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Rom_14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
---Trav on 12/12/14


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(John 14:23) If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Samuel
In the above teaching from Jesus Christ, who does Jesus and God the Father make their home with? And what reason does Jesus give us? David

Those who love Him and do good works. Which I support.


Romans 5:8

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

So before we loved GOD Jesus died for us and John 3 and Romans 1,2,3 also point this out.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/12/14


Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?"

Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent." John 6:28,29
---marc on 12/12/14


Trav, ...I wrote "Should we not expose, and contradict his error to help them?"
---Warwick on 12/11/14

You haven't thought this through.
So, to expose and contradict me... is why you never discuss Israel in scripture?
Leaving you no scripture to contradict me with.
It's Israels scripture and covenant's enraging you for last six years.
You appeal for human help.
Who will "knowingly" go against the prophets but you?
Scripture witnesses by the thousands "expose" your errors.
You are not a prophet, disciple, Apostle of the Kingdom...you've displayed well.
Act_20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
---Trav on 12/12/14


Job 19:28-29 ESV
If you say, How we will pursue him! and, The root of the matter is found in him, be afraid of the sword, for wrath brings the punishment of the sword, that you may know there is a judgment.
---aka on 12/12/14

Appreciate your wisdom...ur on the "Job". An example. I'm passionate and it goes the human direction more than I care to admit.
Dang, it's a sorry state being human.
Romans 7-
Rom_7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Psa_119:63 I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts.
Oh my Lord:
Psa_119:173 Let thine hand help me, for I have chosen thy precepts.
---Trav on 12/12/14


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David, salvation is by the grace of God, not by works and our following good works are what we are called to do in response to His free gift.
---Warwick on 12/11/14


No David I do not agree. Our works are the result of being saved. So salvation comes first.- Samuel

(John 14:23) If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Samuel
In the above teaching from Jesus Christ, who does Jesus and God the Father make their home with? And what reason does Jesus give us?






---David on 12/12/14


Warwick,

If the people in the road ahead of you always seems crooked, then maybe your eyes need straightened.

One of two men, who made a tangential ad hominem attack on someone they view as not as capable as they are, will not benefit by me showing their own reflective words in order to admire, defend, and fist bump.

I'm interested in scripture.

Job 19:28-29 ESV

If you say, How we will pursue him! and, The root of the matter is found in him, be afraid of the sword, for wrath brings the punishment of the sword, that you may know there is a judgment.
---aka on 12/12/14


Trav, by your evasion you expose your true self. I asked a straight-forward question but you ducked it, not wanting people to know the import of your unBiblical elitist doctrine. It is obvious you believe only those descended from Judah or Israel can be saved. If you believed otherwise you would have said, but you preferred to write "I cannot, will not presume to know what becomes of you." Underwhelming!

You wrote 'Scripture you avoid are witnessed hundreds of times, yet you "testify" to Rita these must be hid to keep from hurting anyone with "truth". You here claim I said your exotic beliefs must be hid when in fact I wrote "Should we not expose, and contradict his error to help them?"
---Warwick on 12/11/14


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Aka you wrote "If you consider trav evil, is it right to return evil for evil?"

I asked "Who has returned evil for evil? Quote please."

I expected a straight answer from you but did not get it. If you choose to write such a criticism should you not at least explain what you consider returning evil for evil means?
---Warwick on 12/11/14


No David I do not agree. Our works are the result of being saved. So salvation comes first.

You are correct that some teach works do not have to follow. But that is incorrect.

It is like saying a fig tree will not produce figs. Which JESUS used as a lesson. Matthew 21

So JESUS saves for us to do good works.


Ephesians 2:10

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

No doing works is like a fig tree that does not produce. Luke 13:8,9
---Samuelbb7 on 12/11/14


Cluny, That's exactly what this priest was saying he had to work as a landscaper to augment his salary ($30,000) while he claimed his peers were getting $60,000. and more !
Archbishop said "There are only 12 - 17 people participating in the Divine Liturgy."
The priest claims he was discriminated because he was not Greek and therefore not given a bigger church with bigger salary !
He is actually American with German ancestry formerly Roman Catholic !
---1stcliff on 12/11/14


1stCliff, many Orthodox priests have to support themselves with secular employment because the congregations are simply too small to support them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/14


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Aka, you wrote "If you consider trav evil, is it right to return evil for evil?" Who has returned evil for evil? Quote please.

---Warwickon 12/10/14

Warwick, actions are not quotable and conviction is of the holy spirit. Be still...you can hear the wind better.

I could reproduce some words but that will just lead to more argument which does lead me to one quote.

2 Corinthians 12:20 ESV

For I fear that perhaps when I come I may find you not as I wish, and that you may find me not as you wishthat perhaps there may be quarreling,.., anger, hostility, slander, gossip, conceit...
---aka on 12/11/14


Trav, as I am not of Judah or Israel ...
---Warwick on 12/10/14

I cannot, will not presume to know what becomes of you.
Although,Mr yesno, can find no positive scripture for Esau, Balaam or wolves Xdressed as Sheep. Scripture you avoid are witnessed hundreds of times, yet you "testify" to Rita these must be hid to keep from hurting anyone with "truth". Amazing testimony.
6 years of scripture rebuking you finally admit you have no authority in a Book written by Israel, to Israel being a light to all except...posers. By your own admission sign #7.
Joh_10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
---Trav on 12/11/14


\\Here in the real world, we have a small Greek Orthodox Church.
They could't find a Greek speaking priest so they hired a non Greek. He served here for almost 10 years,and has been "let go" because the parishoners complained of his ethnic origin\\

From my years in Orthodoxy, I know there is more to this story than you are telling.

First off, pastoral appointments in Orthodoxy are made by the diocesan Bishop. This is precisely to quash the notion that, "We hired you and by gum we can fire you, too."

This is just one thing that makes me look at your story cum grano salis.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/14


David, I think you are correct as far as you go. That we be servants of Jesus is a good place to start.-Warwick

Warwick
But many believe salvation is the start, making the servitude unto Christ optional. Whereas Christ taught in (John 14:23), servitude comes first and salvation is the result of that service. Is this service unto Christ called "Works"?
NO. And why is this service not called "Works"?

Jesus Christ is a servant of God the Father. He serves him not as his Boss, he serves him as Father. Meaning his service is done because of his Love for his Father.
This is why Jesus said what he did in (John 14:21).

Agree???
---David on 12/11/14


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Here in the real world, we have a small Greek Orthodox Church.
They could't find a Greek speaking priest so they hired a non Greek. He served here for almost 10 years,and has been "let go" because the parishoners complained of his ethnic origin..
He is now suing the Archbishop and tribunal for $380,000.00 .
It's a job and a business !
church ???
---1stcliff on 12/10/14


David, I think you are correct as far as you go. That we be servants of Jesus is a good place to start.
---Warwick on 12/10/14


Trav, I asked "But let me be clear: as I am not of Judah or Israel did Jesus die and rise again that I may also be saved?" You have not answered.

I believe this is a yes or no question.
---Warwick on 12/10/14


The purpose of the Church is the same as Christ's, while he was here on Earth.
---David on 12/10/14

Exactly. The "ekklesia" are "called" "out". Regarding those that are not? First he must be a "brother". If a brother and has heard the witnesses...can be prophets in this case.
If he does not hear them...
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

(Or by marks, a wolf posing in sheep clothing)
---Trav on 12/10/14


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Trav,
You were warned: Don't take the red pill!
---Marc on 12/9/14

You and Nurse Bob medical buddies or related?

Ha...scripture reveals you even in the deepest "Wabbit Hole".
Psa 21:11 For they intended evil against thee: they imagined a mischievous device, which they are not able to perform.

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Hmmmm, children of thine own people.
---Trav on 12/10/14


Aka, you wrote "If you consider trav evil, is it right to return evil for evil?" Who has returned evil for evil? Quote please.
---Warwick on 12/10/14


I talked to young man just yesterday, who was confused about his purpose as a believer. I told him the purpose of the believer, is to be a servant unto Christ, while we remain here on Earth.

"On earth, as it is in Heaven", meaning.... We are to serve the Lord on Earth, as the Angels serve the Lord in Heaven. Jesus Christ served God the Father while he was on the earth, lived his life, as Gods servant.

The purpose of the Church is the same as Christ's, while he was here on Earth.

Warwick and Trav, do you agree with this?
---David on 12/10/14


Trav,

You were warned: Don't take the red pill!
---Marc on 12/9/14


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I belong to the Seventh day Adventist church although we sometimes call our self a movement.

I am not a slave to anyone but JESUS CHRIST.

I gain fellowship, I teach and preach occasionally in my Church.

I help spread the gospel and truth of the Bible to the entire world since we are a world wide organization spreading the gospel everywhere we can.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/9/14


I've posted what we do as the true church of God, but have had negative responses.

What negative response have you predetermined even if I told the truth?

The only way one can find the truth is to visit me and be an eyewitness.
---Steveng on 12/8/14

You don't have to prove anything to me or to others here and silent.
YHVH bless you and all with and around you.

Mat_10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Luk_10:3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
---Trav on 12/9/14


Trav has access to guns!? Egads! Hey, Warwick, aren't you, I and a few of the others sooooo glad we're not living over there as next-door neighbours to him ...
---Marc on 12/8/14

Ha. We thank GOD you're not, neighbours. Realizing your not men. Fearful types who should be men...but, can't live it, usually slink elsewhere.
You have nothing to fear, we won't let girly boys like you and warwich have bullets. Dang, you can't even spell your own name correctly...setting up a flag right off the bat.
Luk_22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

(You little boys play with your wooden swords)
---Trav on 12/9/14


More likely to shoot himself in the foot.
He boasts those of the US give billions in foreign aid.
---Warwick on 12/8/14

Aim is true, never missed hitting you with scripture. ( two poser mini-goliaths before breakfast)
Discerned early your fear of masculine tools, by your total fear of Sheep. You're out of place in a "Country o Sheep".
Are you French, by birth, by your doting ref?
(Mil Donations 1/3 your GNP: US will protect you sheila ,)

Heb_4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
---Trav on 12/9/14


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A man hunts game and shares it with the underprivileged and you form an ambush with words.

If you consider trav evil, is it right to return evil for evil?

James 1:26

If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

Seems to me if you can't bridle your tongue, you should quit shooting off your mouth lest you shoot yourselves with another holy bullet.
---aka on 12/9/14


Marc, the idea of such as Trav armed with deadly weapons is a little troubling. However if his shooting ability is equal to his ability to make sense we have little to fear. More likely to shoot himself in the foot.

He boasts those of the US give billions in foreign aid. I wonder if this includes bombs dropped?
---Warwick on 12/8/14


Luke wrote: "Steven, ...Why don't you share with us what your little denomination does?"

I've posted what we do as the true church of God, but have had negative responses. What negative response have you predetermined even if I told the truth? The only way one can find the truth is to visit me and be an eyewitness. Other than that it's only words. If you or someone you know that can travel to Alhambra California is surely welcomed.
---Steveng on 12/8/14


Trav has access to guns!? Egads! Hey, Warwick, aren't you, I and a few of the others sooooo glad we're not living over there as next-door neighbours to him i.e. anywhere within gunshot range?
---Marc on 12/8/14


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...Our Church feeds thousands of people outside our church.
How about your little house church?
---Luke on 12/8/14

So your working your way in.
Mat 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more, and they likewise received every man a penny.
Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
Mat 20:13 But he answered one of them, said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, the first last: ...
---Trav on 12/8/14


rav, as regards countries you tried a put sown and it backfired. The US has a fading greatness, and an increasing lawlessness and poverty such as we do not experience here.
---Warwick on 12/6/14

Wooden sword, you really don't wanna play numbers with the US. (put sown?) US Christians gave 100 billion to charity last year. 98% more than OZ. But, then we earn more than you.
You boasted of your works... like an Infidel...giving to others and before your own.
I didn't boast for US. Couldn't and won't.
Did kill a couple of Deer with one of my many guns/rifles... sharing the meat with less fortunate at thanksgiving. Need some Deer? Come up sometime will train you to play with a Gun, a second Sword. (bullets if you graduate).
---Trav on 12/8/14


Steven, again you are trying to find fault in denominations as you always do. Our Church feeds thousands of people outside our church. We have a warehouse full of food donated by many stores. People line up for their groceries. We also support missionaries in Korea and those in China, who hide so that the government does not find them out. Many are now born again Christians. How about your little house church? What do those people do? Why don't you share with us what your little denomination does?
---Luke on 12/8/14


If you do not like insults, steer clear of Steveng/Trav blogs.
---Adetunji on 12/8/14


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To Scott 12/5/14 really excellant post
Forgiveness, I was telling someone, even your digestin of food, breathing will be better once you forgive

let go of anger, and any bitterness.God can move the way no one can in your life.Ga.5:22a.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 12/7/14


\\The US has a fading greatness, and an increasing lawlessness and poverty such as we do not experience here. \\

I wonder.

I'm not denying the poverty and lawlessness, but I believe in the past it was more hidden.

\\Again I ask "What does your denomination do for the world's poor?"\\

Our parish can't do anything about "the world's poor," except through IOCC, but we CAN help the distressed whom the Lord brings to our attention, and we do our best, both as a congregation and as individuals.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/14


Trav, as regards countries you tried a put sown and it backfired. The US has a fading greatness, and an increasing lawlessness and poverty such as we do not experience here.

Again I ask "What does your denomination do for the world's poor?" Details please.

Scripture has hit me again and I didn't notice? In your dreams maybe.
---Warwick on 12/6/14


Trav, ...
What does your denomination do for the world's poor?
---Warwick on 12/5/14

Scripture hit you again. You're the most transparent when it does. He who makes you mad controls you. Shame it's me controlling you instead of scripture.
An infidel boasts of taking care of strangers yet neglect their own kids in Oz. 32,000 (known)homeless kids.
Being small and jealous you denigrated our country. I never boasted more perfection by comparison...you did, idgit. (see Bugs Bunny)
My Denomination is Christian. Sheep are the object, we look for them. Google sheep for your lesson today.
Psa_95:7 For he is our God, and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
---Trav on 12/6/14


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Trav, you are such a negative serial cyberstalker aren't you!

I mentioned aid our church gives to the desperately poor in the Phillipines and you manage to find fault with that. What an odd little person you are.

Do you imagine we also have no concern, and give no support to Australians in need?

What does your denomination do for the world's poor?

What you call bragging is in reality the statistics which show Australia is way ahead of the US in social services, and many other areas.

Remember also your chance of being shot to death in the US is 40 times as great. Maybe if the US concerned itself with its burgeoning poor and less about posing via space exploration it would be a safe place to live.
---Warwick on 12/5/14


Service
human relationships
authority
teaching
dedication
stability
friends
love
joy
forgiveness
happiness
humility
---Scott1 on 12/5/14


Steven, one of the advantages I receive is being directly involved...
For example our church supports street children in Manilla.
Secondly we sit under a pastor ...
---Warwick on 12/4/14

Well your duplicity and most denominations duplicity is what irks me most, most of the time. You bragging about Australia's medical and welfare numbers...which excludes 32,000 of "your own" homeless you've not rescued first...going to strangers instead.
I did not say we are better here. You did!
Faith lagging in the Churches...and you wonder! Worse than infidels...most surely.
1Ti_5:8 But if any provide not for his own, specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
---Trav on 12/5/14


Steven, one of the advantages I receive is being directly involved in the support of missionaries who come from within our congregations. For example our church supports street children in Manilla. At the moment about 130 are fed, clothed, and schooled in the facility. Approximately 46 of these previously uneducated are currently at university.

Secondly we sit under a pastor who is under the supervision of our denominations elected president. This is a check/balance which assures our pastor is not focussing on pseudo Biblical beliefs.

Thirdly in this time of waning faith, and increasing nonBiblical doctrines, I know that whatever city I am in I can attend the same denomination knowing the teaching will all be Bible centred.
---Warwick on 12/4/14


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Steven
Benefit?
I see the denominational church as a door, a door which leads to a relationship with God. The problem is many folks do not knock on that door, and they do not knock, because they do not know how.

They do not come to the door for a relationship with God, they come to be "Saved". Since many are not taught, their salvation comes through a relationship with God, the relationship they have, is one built on sand.

Mine was once built on sand, and when the troubles of this world came, I turned away from God. I turned away because he didn't answer my prayers, he wasn't there to take care of me when I needed him most.

The reason? I didn't have the Father/child relationship then, I have with him today.
---David on 12/5/14


I know that you are enslaved to the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng.

However in Christ's true Orthodox Church, the worship is offered as is pleasing to God and the pure Word of the Lord is preached without fear or favor.

That's the benefit I get from the true Orthodox Church.

What benefit do you get from the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng, other than the false feeling of being spiritually superior to everyone else who posts on these blogs?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/14


Purpose - spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We are servants to Jesus Christ. Our benefits will be paid in rewards in Heaven. Its not all about you
---KarenD on 12/4/14


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