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Cain Fled To Nod

Have you ever wondered why the state (region) Cain fled to was called Nod?

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Leon "What may seem unimportant to one could be very revealing to another." Absolutely and I'm so glad that is so because we would have nothing to share with each other if we all knew the same things and understood the same things.
---Rita_H on 6/15/15


\\I take the bible as it has been given to me in the English language \\

Some English versions render "land of Nod" as "land of wandering."

It's not an issue I worry about.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/14/15


No problem Rita! I believe the Bible was definitely written for all people. Yet, no one person, besides Jesus, has ever known or understood everything written therein.

I believe the Bible contains general information that's available to everyone (saved & unsaved). But, there's specific Bible knowledge that's given only to a few faithful, "saved" individuals down thru the ages to empower them to fulfill God's will in their lives.

My point: What may seem unimportant to one could be very revealing to another.
---Leon on 4/28/15


Leon, in answer to the original question, NO I have never wondered why the region was called Nod. I take the bible as it has been given to me in the English language and, if I ever wish to find some clarity on something I read other versions plus an interlinear bible but something like a place name would not send me rushing to do that.
---Rita_H on 4/28/15


Will constant "worrying" & wandering from place-to-place make a person somewhat lethargic (restless & tired) & cause one to constantly "nod off" into brief moments of much needed sleep? I think this may give new meaning to the term, "no rest for the weary". ijs :)
---Leon on 4/25/15




Leon & Cluny, OK, thanks.
---learner2 on 2/1/15


Capish: Italian for "do you understand".
---Leon on 1/31/15


\\Leon, what is capish? \\

It's the American transliteration of the contraction of the Italian "capisce", meaning "Do you understand?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/31/15


Leon, what is capish? Sounds like a description of something that resembles a cap.
---learner2 on 1/31/15


...Interesting argument you're having with yourself there, Cluny.

Double-minded much?"
---Jed on 1/28/15


True Jed, "MUCH" like Cain, the hell raiser.
---Leon on 1/31/15




"In other words, don't take anything Leon says seriously, since he has admitted he does not think the way God does."
---Cluny on 1/26/15 (on "What does hell look like" blog)

"Only God sees reality as it truly is. We don't."
---Cluny on 1/27/15



Interesting argument you're having with yourself there, Cluny.

Double-minded much?
---Jed on 1/28/15


\\but has nothing to do with God's reality.
---Leon on 1/27/15\\

Only God sees reality as it truly is.

We don't.

Our remembering some events as past, experiencing others as present, and anticipating others as future proves that.

God's view of reality is Eternal NOW.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/27/15


Leon, the movie is not about the Bible.
---learner2 on 1/27/15


"East of Eden is a 1955 film, directed by Elia Kazan, and loosely based on the second half of the 1952 novel of the same name by John Steinbeck. It is about a wayward young man who, while seeking his own identity, vies for the affection of his deeply religious father against his favored brother, thus retelling the story of Cain and Abel..." (Source: Wikipedia)

Capish?
---Leon on 1/27/15


Leon, the movie is not about the Bible.
---learner2 on 1/27/15


Leon, I did not understand the point of your last post about the movie.
---learner2 on 1/27/15


Movies are mostly fantasy (fiction) mixed with just enough real life experiences to make them potentially believable. God's reality (His factually written Bible account) supports itself whether or not people (you, me, etc.) believe it. Capish?
---Leon on 1/27/15


Leon, I did not understand the point of your last post about the movie.
---learner2 on 1/27/15


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The movie East of Eden was interesting too.
---learner2 on 1/26/15


Yeah, if you're really into fantasy (make-believe) that does nothing more than imitate/mock truth, but has nothing to do with God's reality.
---Leon on 1/27/15


The movie East of Eden was interesting too.
---learner2 on 1/26/15


Though the Bible does indeed say Nod was "East" of Eden, it's direction isn't what this blog is about. Nod means a place of wandering (traipsing about to & fro) as an exile, vagabond, vagrant, outcast. I think of it as walking away from God in kind of stuporous lethargy (dullness of mind).
---Leon on 1/25/15


Presume? No! However, if the Bible calls it Nod, regardless of the direction, then it's Nod.

---Leon on 1/19/15

Actually if it was regardless of the direction, then telling us it was East of Eden would not be necessary. When God set the boundaries of Eden and recorded them in scripture naming rivers etc, there was nothing symbolic there either. Why it was important for God to tell us it was East of Eden, we may not know. Maybe the EAST was in a sense symbolic as aka suggested Lot picked East as well. The Kings who came from the East bringing gifts at Jesus birth and the very gifts they brought have always suggested China or that geographic area.
---kathr4453 on 1/20/15


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If you think agreement within the bible is coincidence, and think that the use of nod is not, then it is a far worse comparison of apples and oranges.
---aka on 1/20/15


"...So today, if one were to actually find where Eden was, anything east of it was where this land Cain wandered existed. So what If Cain had wandered North or South or West? Should we presume it would still be called Nod?"
---kathr4453 on 1/17/15


Presume? No! However, if the Bible calls it Nod, regardless of the direction, then it's Nod.

"...Yep. Cain chose east, and so did Lot. As horace greely embraced manifest destiny...Go, west...young man...go west."
---aka on 1/17/15


Isn't that like comparing apples to oranges Aka? :)
---Leon on 1/19/15


Well one thing we do know is that it was on the EAST of Eden. -kathr

Yep. Cain chose east, and so did Lot.

As horace greely embraced manifest destiny...

Go, west...young man...go west.
---aka on 1/17/15


Me too. Thank you for your concern. Remember, the 8 hours or whatever the latest study says, it is an average. I am am just on the one side. I sleep well during that time usually. When I was younger, I did not. In the afternoon I can Nod for 10 minutes. If not I do wander until bed. : -)

Good to talk to ya.
---aka on 1/16/15


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Gen 4:16
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Well one thing we do know is that it was on the EAST of Eden.

So today, if one were to actually find where Eden was, anything east of it was where this land Cain wandered existed. So what If Cain had wandered North or South or West? Should we presume it would still be called Nod?
---kathr4453 on 1/17/15


Aka: I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. All I'm doing is stating what I believe is true.

Sorry to hear you're not resting well. The level of sleeplessness you're experiencing is unhealthy & can be compared to being inebriated.

The Bible is full of words, chosen by God, that are similar to words we now use.
---Leon on 1/16/15


Leon, i worked with the public for many years as my wife does. We both have many examples of busy bodies and people that won't settle down that are in desperate need of awakening. when i was younger, i had very little guidance. i wandered (literally) for many years. I averaged three to five hours of sleep then, and i still do. I know there are sleepy people out there who wander.

you are saying are people are sleepy now, aimless, and need to awaken. true enough. but, you also are trying to convince us that God chose Nowd because of the words now and nod are similar to English. Again, this is not true. but, if it is, why aren't there more words in the Bible chosen by God that are similar to the words that we use now?
---aka on 1/16/15


"I liken his condition to... Captain Jack Sparrow's in the movie "At World's End"...in a state of confusion... wandering aimlessly... mentally drifting...as if he'd nodded off into...a...discombobulating dream.
---Leon on 12/14/14"

"...Cain was at odds with God (like many people today)... he drifted in a life of fruitlessness (lawlessness) & wasn't in his right mind... Cain...needed an 'awakening'...
---Leon on 12/16/14"

"His willingness to sin likely stressed his mind... like King Saul, Cain was in a mental stupor...he wasn't thinking clearly...he wandered in a befuddled state of mind (NOD).
---Leon on 1/6/15"

Aka: See Roget's Thesaurus, 712.2 & 6
---Leon on 1/15/15


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Aka: Go to your local mall & just wander/drift around for a while in it & see if you don't find yourself in a lethargic (drowsy, sluggish) stupor of exhaustion. Now, imagine not ever being able to leave the mall, but, perpetually wandering in it. A helluva situation, huh? Especially for a guy! lol
---Leon on 1/16/15


Leon...Wait a minute....I never disagreed about the wandering part. Any person losing a relationship with the lord is without true aim, for the lord is the only true target.

Your premise earlier about the reason why god chose the word Nod was also because of the sleepiness factor as in the English word nod. There is no such relationship.

There is plenty of word play in the bible, but English was not part of that.

Variations are Nud, Nod, Noud, Nowd. I agree that there are those who are sleepy nowadays. But the english to hebrew words of nod and now are not related to Nod.
---aka on 1/11/15


Aka: You certainly are free to disagree. The Hebrew word for Nod is "Nowd". Very similar to the English word Nod. Nowd means to be a vagrant (a drifter, homeless). Nowd also means to be a wandering exile. Have you ever been on your way somewhere & then gotten lost? How confusing was that for you? Imagine being cast out with no sense of direction from the jump. Cain had no clue as to where he was going. He was fleeing & constantly on the go. He had no sense of direction or purpose in life since he had rejected God's way. Bring that forward to 2015 & see all the Cains in our midst.
---Leon on 1/10/15


Jerry6593: Exile certainly is a very descript word for Nod (Nowd), but is not the primary nor only word used to describe Cain's situation.

Right on Glenn!
---Leon on 1/10/15


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Cain was cursed, ..."a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth." Nod {aimless wandering} was named after him, and can be contrasted with Eden {delight}. Cain left both his parents company, and lost companionship with the Lord. Genesis 4:1-24
---Glenn on 1/9/15


I think that the best word to translate "Nod" is "exile". He was kicked out of Eden.


---jerry6593 on 1/8/15


a befuddled state of mind (NOD).---Leonon 1/6/15

No matter how many ways you reiterate your point. Nod (English) is not rooted in Nod (Hebrew).
---aka on 1/7/15


The Bible doesn't record Cain ever again talking to God, or for that matter God talking directly to him again after he was banished to the land of Nod (G4).

Prior to Cain murdering Abel, God verbally chastised him for his unwillingness to do well (to do whats right in Gods sight). Yet, Cain chose to ignore God & do stupid, i.e., continue to perpetually do wrong & expect good results culminating with Gods approval.

His willingness to sin likely caused his mind (soul) to become stressed to the point, like King Saul, Cain was in a mental stupor (state of torment & confusion). I believe he wasnt thinking clearly (lacked a clear vision & purpose in life) as he wandered in a befuddled state of mind (NOD).
---Leon on 1/6/15


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Cluny, I believe the word is minutest ! Split hairs ?
---1stcliff on 12/22/14


If you got one, use your noodle Cluny! Try & think for YOURSELF, without having to have everything explained to you, & you'll know exactly what I mean.
---Leon on 12/20/14


\\in the very minutes of details\\

Are you trying to say "minutiae", Leon?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/14


\\I'm just using my God-given noodle (cognitive reasoning ability) to flesh out what the Bible says about real people who had "sin" issues just like us. :)
---Leon on 12/18/14\\

The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/14

You'd be a pretty dumb (ignorant) student Cluny if, while receiving classroom instructions from your teacher, you could not comprehend (to determine or conclude by logical thinking: reason out) the lesson plan unless the teacher explained EVERYTHING to you in the very minutes of details because you chose not to mentally process the basic concepts of the plan. What a dimwit you'd be not to use what (the tools) God has given you!
---Leon on 12/19/14


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\\I'm just using my God-given noodle (cognitive reasoning ability) to flesh out what the Bible says about real people who had "sin" issues just like us. :)
---Leon on 12/18/14\\

The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/14


Micha: Let's be careful not to think of Cain's ancient "tent city" in comparison & likeness to a city in a modern setting. I believe, as a wanderer/vagabond, Cain was always on the move his entire life as he fled from "every one"(G4:14-16) he fearfully thought would harm him.

As a FUGITIVE, he more than likely, never settled in any one place for long. But, I believe it's likely some of his descendants might have stayed in "Enoch" & in time built it into a walled (for protection) city with houses,
market places, etc.

I'm just using my God-given noodle (cognitive reasoning ability) to flesh out what the Bible says about real people who had "sin" issues just like us. :)
---Leon on 12/18/14


The land in which Cain dwelt was called Nod because Cain, the wanderer and vagabond, dwelt there.
It is common in the Bible for places to get named after someone that has currently or previously existed.
Cain's city of Enoch, his son.
These are the first accounts of such places.
Gen 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength, a fugitive and a vagabond(nun-vav-dalet) shalt thou be in the earth.
Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod(nun-vav-dalet), on the east of Eden.
Psa 56:8 Thou tellest my wanderings(nun-vav-dalet): put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?
It was now Cain's land, the land of vagabonds, Nod.
---micha9344 on 12/18/14


leon, you put a twist on my words and leave out some others.

simply put...cain was not aimless and nod hebrew is not related to english nod. it's is a sound from two languages that are coincidental but not rooted in the same family.

if you need this false cognate, then so be it.
---aka on 12/18/14


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Aka: Do you really believe Cain's family did well in God's eyes? Is it possible their lifestyles, e.g.,G4:19, 23-24 ~ G6:11-13, led to God ultimately destroying the earth by flood? In fairness to Cain's descendants, I suspect other children of A & E contributed to the corruption as well. After all, if they could seek revenge upon Cain, what else were they capable of? Man's sin knows no family/ethnic boundaries.

City can mean a mere settlement, post or camp (a place where one pitches tents).

God didn't make Cain fearless. God marked Cain so "everyone" seeking to harm him would be apprehensive (fearful) to do so.

The only eyes that sees ALL belong to God.
---Leon on 12/17/14


//Do you consider being a vagrant..wanderer someone who does "quite well"? // in man's world, yes. There are some nomadic tribes that thrive. Cain's family did well.

//means to wander...aimlessly.// wander yes, aimlessly no.

//someone who might harm// God took care of that fear.

//one eye open// all seeing eye...probably

// The Bible doesn't say, but he probably//

But the bible does say that he built a city in Enoch's honor. No matter how badly the city may have been planned, a city planner is not aimless. Enoch (walk w/ earthly father) probably a contrast to Enoch in ch. 5 (walk w/ heavenly father). Cain was first born of a & e. So,jesus' uncle. City Enoch/Jerusalem contrast perhaps?
---aka on 12/17/14


...I think that Cain did quite well in his own life and for his family according to what God ordained.

...to link the Hebrew word for nod and the...english nod is quite a stretch.
---aka on 12/16/14


Aka: Do you consider being a vagrant & wanderer someone who does "quite well"? The Hebrew word Nod means to wander, to drift aimlessly. For Cain "nod" probably represented sleeplessness because he worried & likely was always looking over his shoulder for someone who might harm or slay. Due to constant fear, Cain was probably restless & only napped (40 winks, nod off) with one eye open. Fear & sleep deprivation can ruin a person's health. The Bible doesn't say, but he probably died young.
---Leon on 12/16/14


Leon, what you say in general is true.

However, I think that Cain did quite well in his own life and for his family according to what God ordained.

Nevertheless, to link the Hebrew word for nod and the link to the english nod is quite a stretch.
---aka on 12/16/14


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oh...you were serio....zzzzzz...um hmph...sorry i nodded off

does anything in gen 4 indicate that cain was in aimless and confused state? am i missing something?
---aka on 12/16/14

Maybe it was called NOD because the people napped a lot ??
just sayin'.
---1stcliff on 12/15/14


All "outlaws" who don't turn around & repent of their sins will ultimately be cast (exiled) into the Lake of Fire, a burning wilderness.

Aka, Cain was at odds with God (like many people today) therefore he drifted in a life of fruitlessness (lawlessness) & wasn't in his right mind. For sure, Cain (like many people today) needed an "awakening" Cliff.
---Leon on 12/16/14


oh...you were serio....zzzzzz...um hmph...sorry i nodded off

does anything in gen 4 indicate that cain was in aimless and confused state? am i missing something?
---aka on 12/16/14


Maybe it was called NOD because the people napped a lot ??
just sayin'.
---1stcliff on 12/15/14


Cluny: Many (most) Bible translations say the land of Nod was located East of Eden. Clearly the Bible speaks to the fact that Cain wandered in the land as a vagabond in a state of mind that was exceedingly far from God.

I liken his condition to that of Captain Jack Sparrow's in the movie "At World's End" wherein he found himself in a state of confusion (in Davy Jones' locker) & wandering aimlessly about ~ mentally drifting about as if he had nodded off & were in a perpetual, & discombobulating dream.
---Leon on 12/14/14

Cluny: To locate Eden, the place to start is in G2:9-14. Then we'd have a better chance of determining where Nod was.
---Leon on 12/15/14


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I heard one speculation that placed it somewhere in the vicinity of China. I can't give that theory a "nod" because I don't know. :)
---Leon on 12/14/14

ha ha...i guess if cain went far enough, east of eden is just west of eden.

and if we are allowed to play on english words, maybe east of eden is north america. he slumbered onto a boat in china, wandered from the pacific to the southeast, and made others grow sugar "cain" for him. with god's special mark, others could not touch him. cain was the original godfather..
---aka on 12/15/14


\\Leon and Cluny please tell me where y'all think"East of Eden" would be located. Thanks. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 12/14/14\\

First, you have to determine where Eden was originally located, which might be hard to do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/15/14


God stated that Cain was now a fugitive and wanderer. Nod is from hebrew nud which means to wander or mourn. Cain settled in a territory of wanderers...nomads. his life after eden in Genesis did not sound like he was in a stupor.

There are many word plays in scripture but they are not playing on English words.
---aka on 12/14/14


Darlene: I heard one speculation that placed it somewhere in the vicinity of China. I can't give that theory a "nod" because I don't know. :)
---Leon on 12/14/14


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Leon and Cluny please tell me where y'all think"East of Eden" would be located. Thanks. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 12/14/14


It may not have been called Nod. That's just how the KJV rendered it.

The passage can also be translated to the effect of "Cain lived as a wanderer east of Eden."...---Cluny on 12/14/14


Cluny: Many (most) Bible translations say the land of Nod was located East of Eden. Clearly the Bible speaks to the fact that Cain wandered in the land as a vagabond in a state of mind that was exceedingly far from God.

I liken his condition to that of Captain Jack Sparrow's in the movie "At World's End" wherein he found himself in a state of confusion (in Davy Jones' locker) & wondering aimlessly about ~ mentally drifting about as if he had nodded off & were in a perpetual, & discombobulating dream.
---Leon on 12/14/14


It may not have been called Nod. That's just how the KJV rendered it.

The passage can also be translated to the effect of "Cain lived as a wanderer east of Eden." Other translations do so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/14/14


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