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Old Covenant Passed

The Old Covenant in the Old Testament with all its Laws and Ordinances waxed old and passed away when the New Covenant formed through Christ came into operation. Doesn't it make sense that the Ark of the Covenant(Old Covenant) would also be done away with for it's purpose was no longer in effect?

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Under the law, no flesh was justified. The Law pointed to sin, and every year a remembrance of sin was made. The schoolmaster taught that for sin to be covered, sacrifice had to be made year after year. The Law pointed to the promised Messiah who would one day come and TAKE AWAY SIN ONCE AND FOR ALL. Hebrews 10 explain this very well. And Galatians 2:20-21 explain this very well too. No one can live by the faith of Christ IN them unless they have first been crucified with Christ and raised up a new creature. The New Creature is now under the Law of Liberty. The New Creature is created in righteousness and holiness where Christ Himself is our very life. Colossians 3:1-4. Since Jesus Christ is not under any Law, neither is the New Creature.
---kathr4453 on 1/11/15


Gal_3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ . .

God's Law is always in effect, whether OT (written on scrolls) or NT (written on hearts). He puts His Spirit within us so that we have the capability to obey His Law. Eze 36:27

As our "schoolmaster" (tutor, trainer), the law functioned as our path toward Jesus, to teach us to love Him, His way.


Gal_3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Covenant Christians no longer need the law on scroll. His Law is "written on our hearts" (i.e., The Lawmaker lives inside of us). Rom 2:15
---aservant on 1/10/15


About too?Trav

Thanks for the correction.
---aka on 1/8/15

Would never post to a point division between us. Just the way i perceive...at this time. Which also bears double checking. Or more.

Have a weekend AKA.

For Cluny"s blog expectation...Ark of Covenant: Noah's Ark, Ark of Covenant...New Jerusalem. The Temple. Just a thought...but there seems to be many design, probably dimensional similarities. Be something to look into.

---Trav on 1/9/15


God made a covenant (a conditional covenant) with the children of Israel through His servant Moses. He promised good to them and their children for generations if they obeyed Him and His laws, but He always warned of despair, punishment, and dispersion if they were to disobey. As a sign of His covenant He had the Israelites make a box according to His own design, in which to place the stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments. This box, or chest, was called an ark and was made of acacia wood overlaid with gold. The Ark was to be housed in the inner sanctum of the tabernacle in the desert and eventually in the Temple when it was built in Jerusalem. This chest is known as the Ark of the Covenant.
---JERRY_L_BRYANT on 1/8/15


About too?Trav

Thanks for the correction.
---aka on 1/8/15




... the lineage of God is a circular buzz saw about to cut itself in half.
---aka on 1/7/15

About too? Some division notables and more promised in the future.
Ishmael / Isaac
Jacob / Esau. Twins with different destinies.
Exo_8:23 I will put a division between my people and thy people: to morrow shall this sign be.
Judah Benjamin vs 83% of House of Israel.
Luk_12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay, but rather division:
Joh_7:43 So there was a division among the people because of him.
Mat_10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat_25:33 he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
---Trav on 1/7/15


So..without a third option the lineage of God is a circular buzz saw about to cut itself in half.
---aka on 1/7/15

Eze_20:14 But I wrought for my name's sake,...
Eze_37:28 the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel...
Luk_21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Dan 9:19 O Lord, hear, O Lord, forgive, O Lord, hearken and do, defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
It sifts out very clear. We accept or not GOD being GOD does what he wants with who he wants.
Human nature is, we want GOD to be what we want him to be.
Churches are the buzz saws ripping scripture to build doctrinal ladders.
---Trav on 1/7/15


...to whom was Cain married...his mother or his sister?
---aka on 12/20/14

...Mother or daughter.
Don't see Adam giving a daughter. Not recorded.

So..without a third option the lineage of God is a circular buzz saw about to cut itself in half.
---aka on 1/7/15


...to whom was Cain married...his mother or his sister?
---aka on 12/20/14

In scripture there appear to be three choices. Gen 1 creation. Mother or daughter.
Don't see Adam giving a daughter. Not recorded.
Adam's creation is recorded in Gen 2 and Eve's as a following creation. And followed through Revelations.
Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, they took them wives of all which they chose.
Hos_1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered, it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
---Trav on 1/6/15


I don't think so now. There is a matter of preference to what you know and resistance to what you don't.
---aka on 1/5/15

You're right. Remember my own re-searching trepidations. Remember at one point in the beginning, thinking if one just stops at this point, one cannot be guilty, in not knowing. Realizing immediately in awareness that there was a choice, it was too late to quit "trav-eling" the path.

Psa_119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

1Pe 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

Psa_27:11 Teach me thy way, O LORD, lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.
---Trav on 1/6/15




//---kathr453 on 12/27/14
You are scripturally, very confused.// trav

I don't think so now. There is a matter of preference to what you know and resistance to what you don't.

When in the service, I met a guy who only ate baloney, hot dogs, ketchup, sugar cereal...introduced him to real meat, fruit and veggies, dijon, etc...taught him how to cook. After a bit of discomfort to a new way, the wife stuck with convenience and fast food, one boy with hot dogs and ketchup...the other with dad enjoyed real food together.

There are those willing to see other things,there are those who know what they know (although limited or askew) very well and stick with it and those who just don't care about good things.
---aka on 1/5/15


... about any wild olive trees. Those broken off have always been the natural branches, and when grafted back... ...
---kathr453 on 12/27/14

You are scripturally, very confused. There are always scriptural witnesses...for verifying truth.
Jer 11:10 ... the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.

Jer_11:16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

Wild Olives are seed/fruit "scattered/dispersed" from the original Olive tree. House of Israel in this case. Grafted easily back into the same family. Heb 8:8.
---Trav on 1/5/15


Kathr...never read the book of Mormon. To say jesus blood did not get on his robe is ridiculous. An archetype is a comparison and not an exact replica. Limited atonement? What are you babbling about?

//Not one OT verse even talks about any wild olive trees// kathr. Neh 8.15.

Never said two in rev were wild,but two is given witness in Zechariah 4:3 And there are two olive trees by it...

There is hope for everyone. It is in the ot. Seek under the olive tree and you will find...not in twisted scripture.

Good luck with branches and root thing. But that just sounds like a bush to me without witness.

Jeremiah 11:16

The Lord once called you a green olive tree, beautiful with good fruit....
---aka on 1/5/15


Aka, it sounds more and more that your doctrine comes from the Book of Mormon. When talking about wild, it's the branches, not the tree itself.....unless again your doctrine is from the Book of Mormon.

And NO Israelites are Gentiles.

If you don't have the foundational truths established, then your doctrine is all over the place making no sense.

And the two olive trees in Revelation is not one wild and one fruitful, and Rev never says so either.

Your trying to mix apples and oranges. Unless you understand what the ROOT is in Romans 11, you'll never grasp what Paul is saying.
---kathr4453 on 12/27/14


Now there are only two verses that have the words wild olive tree, wild branches. Not one OT verse even talks about any wild olive trees. So Paul is not quoting any scripture from OT anyway. So to say Israelites who were scattered became wild olive trees is not scriptural or is Paul teaching such a thing in Romans 11. Those broken off have always been the natural branches, and when grafted back in...how much MORE their fullness.
---kathr453 on 12/27/14


Samuel,

To most,

all not Israel are gentiles. I.e.
all wild olives trees are gentiles.

Most Israel were dispersed after the temple went down in 70ad.the dispersed did/do not just hang out. The dispersed are real people with a promise Mic 4.2. They assimilated with different people....formed lands, nations. Lost/abandon their identity. They are wild by the tame olive tree grower.

The promise by god to reunite (graft) still stands.
---aka on 12/26/14


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in grafting, you can only use budding branches of the same fruit tree. the contention is that gentiles means everybody else who is not a "jew". so, just how do you graft branches that are not from the olive tree to the non-fruitful olive tree and produce fruit? aka

Wild olive trees used to represent humans who are not part of Israel. They are the all nations that the Old Testament prophesies will join unto Israel.


Mic 4:2

And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob, and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/26/14


So your idea is Joseph married an Egyptian, had two sons, blessed by Jacob and welcomed into the 12 tribes of Israel as a type and shadow of how and who Jesus redeems?
---kathr453 on 12/26/14

Joseph's witness. You cannot show where he broke GOD's laws here. He obviously didn't. Egyptian a national title, did not make them unrelated.
Ishmael had an Egyptian mother... and a diametrically opposite prophecy.
Gen_16:12 And he will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Heb_11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Psa_105:9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac,
---Trav on 12/26/14


aka and kathr and others, what's being discussed in this blog is supposed to be the physical Ark of the Covenant and whether it still exists.

Can we get back to the subject, please?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/14


1 Corinthians 15:20-23

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward they that are Christ's at his coming..

Again, It's is our personal identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life, that we are HIS FIRSTFRUIT.

And did the robe Jesus wore have any sort of markings or colors signifying limited atonement? Or was Jesus blood shed for the sin of the whole world?

And again, did Paul in Romans 11 say he was talking about two olive trees?
---kathr4453 on 12/26/14


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Jesus robe was Purple. Purple, what does the color Purple signify? Are there any scriptures that say there was blood on Jesus Robe, signifying limited atonement, or is this all speculation because you want to believe it?

So your idea is Joseph married an Egyptian, had two sons, blessed by Jacob and welcomed into the 12 tribes of Israel as a type and shadow of how and who Jesus redeems? So if Joseph had another wife and married an Asian, having sons by that wife, Asians would then qualify for salvation? And anyone else Joseph didn't marry having offspring with , represents fruitless olive trees?
---kathr453 on 12/26/14


coat is rep of covering. The parallels.
Coat/robe both covered w./ blood,
In pit by bros/cross by bros,
joseph "resurrects" saves jacob/jesus resurrects...saves ??? Rom 11..graft gentiles Romans 11:26 and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob

Fruit?...repost Rom 11.16 again.

Revelation 11:3-4 And I will give unto my two witnesses...These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks, standing before the Lord.

Yes...all things are possible...not everything is expedient
---aka on 12/25/14


so, just how do you graft branches that are not from the olive tree to the non-fruitful olive tree and produce fruit?///

What exactly is the non fruitful olive tree? Are we talking about two olive trees here or one? What about abiding in Christ who is where all fruit come from. Are the natural branches bearing fruit in their own effort? And where does Romans 11 even say anything about fruit?

The coat, means that of honor, as the coat given to Joseph by Jacob made his brothers envious. It had nothing to do with salvation being extended to anyone thereby causing envy from his brothers.
---kathr4453 on 12/24/14


16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,.

Aka, with God all things are possible. One root AKA.
---kath453 on 12/24/14


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One can quote all the scripture that they want, but unless there is witness, they have nothing but their own thoughts.
---aka on 12/23/14

Why i seek those searching scripture.
Was very weary, after 40 years of being fed opinion and dogma's that collapse under the weight of multiple scriptures that do support one another. Never weary now. Just wary.
Joh 21:15 ... Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
Joh 21:16 ... lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
Joh 21:17 ... the third time, ... he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things, thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
---Trav on 12/25/14


samuel, i didn't say that. i have no problems with the verses. in grafting, you can only use budding branches of the same fruit tree. now, the contention is that gentiles means everybody else who is not a "jew". so, just how do you graft branches that are not from the olive tree to the non-fruitful olive tree and produce fruit?

kathr, your presumption of my supposed presumption aside,how come you are allowed to presume it means every nation? scripture please.

again, i have no claim to the 12 tribes blood. i do not believe that blood will save. i believe jesus will save those covered by his Blood. So, likewise, your argument is not with me, it is with God. (and our personal arguments with God is why a Savior is needed.)
---aka on 12/24/14


\\To presume the coat of many colors means nations, but not all nations is total fantasy with no scriptural support what so ever.\\

According to Simcha Jacobovic, Joseph's coat was not multi-colored, but long.

Of course, SJ seems to have an agenda in all his shows, especially when he goes to bash Christianity.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/14


To presume the coat of many colors means nations, but not all nations is total fantasy with no scriptural support what so ever.

Aka all you need in Romans 11 to believe what God said about Gentiles being grafted in is FAITH. Your argument is not with me but God.

And Trav, are you and aka sniffing out of the same tube of glue? Maybe you accidentally are sniffing super glue and glued both your brains together as one, supporting one another's NO SCRIPTURE comments.
---kathr4453 on 12/23/14


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aka Kathr uses a lot of scripture.


Romans 11:17

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

Here Paul compares all humans to olive trees. The cultivated olive trees (Israelites)and wild olive trees (gentiles) who are grafted into Israel. The roots of both are in JESUS the only Savior.

In the Old Covenant the law had four divisions. Moral, Ceremonial, health and state laws.

We follow the laws of the current state we live in. We should follow the laws of health but the ceremonial are gone since they pointed to JESUS.

But the Moral are still true. Read Roman 13,8-11
---Samuelbb7 on 12/23/14


Kathr...to say that I do not use scripture because every one of my posts do not have it is misleading. To say that yours do is dishonest.

The reality is that I can support many coats with scripture and you can only support every coat with human reason.

I may have missed it, but did you ever explain using human reason or scripture how a branch from one kind of tree can make fruit grow if it is grafted into a different type tree? Do you have any scripture that will also support the reality of grafting? Or is that just another oversight of God?

One can quote all the scripture that they want, but unless there is witness, they have nothing but their own thoughts.
---aka on 12/23/14


I can't believe the nonsense people come up with and actually believe.
(It's dangerous to go beyond, making up things not supported by scripture.)
---kathr4453 on 12/22/14

Ain't it the truth girl. You just keep sniffing that paint. We'll provide scripture for you to rehab on.
GOD of Is-ra-el 201 times in scripture.
Exo_5:1 ...Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, ...
Jer_30:2 Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

Luk_1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
---Trav on 12/23/14


If you mix the complimentary colors you always get grey. A whole piece of art can be done with greys. I love those kind of paintings.
---shira4368 on 12/22/14


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There are THREE primary colors, and all secondary colors can be derived from the three primary colors. As long as all three primary colors were on Joseph's coat, then any secondary color is already there, including all the various shades. When you go to Home Depot next time, look at all the colors in the paint department. All these colors come from the primary, and more colors are made each day using the three primary colors.

Now, please show through scripture which one of the three primary colors was not used on Joseph's coat, with scripture stating exactly what you said......(for the reason of excluding anyone from salvation).

I can't believe the nonsense people come up with and actually believe.
---kathr4453 on 12/22/14


Darlene: The Ark of the Covenant, like the Sanctuary itself, was a copy of the one in heaven. It contained the Ten Commandment Law and the mercy "seat" served as God's throne. Thus, God's character was represented as a mixture of justice and mercy. The Old Covenant was an "agreement" to keep the 10C Law by ritual sacrifice (ceremonial laws). The New Covenant is a new agreement to keep the same 10C Law in the heart with a new order of priesthood - Jesus.

The Ark of the Covenant still likely exists having been hidden by Jeremiah before the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians. And, although a new agreement is in force, the 10C Law is still in force and is still under the throne in heaven.

---jerry6593 on 12/22/14


They stript Joseph out of his coat" (37:23), was Joseph naked in the pit?

Mt. 27:28, was Christ naked on the cross? See Heb. 6:6 " open shame" .

When studying types and shadows, it's important to show these types through supporting scripture. It's dangerous to go beyond, making up things not supported by scripture. We see above the way types and shadows are used. NO scripture supports AKA's remarks here. False teachers love to prey on the minds of those who believe anything they are told. These people are easily led away through ideas of pride and arrogance within themselves thinking they are more deserving than others.

Unless of coarse AKA your color was omitted.....
---kathr453 on 12/22/14


Joseph is an archetype of jesus. Jacob covered him with a coat that has many human genealogies, races, tongues, tribe nations, skin colors, blood lines etc etc. He did not put every ... on him.

\\we do see God promised to make a New covenant with Israel replacing the Old that was given exclusively to Israel\\ if you refinance your home, are you bound by the original. For all of those who hang their hats on the original should read all of hebrews 8.

I would hate to be a goat, pig, dog (who loves his own mess), wedding guest not properly dressed, Jews who claim Jews who aren't, a jesus miraculous deed doer that jesus doesn't recognize etc, etc
---aka on 12/21/14


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Samuel, great post. I agree on all points except the last. let me explain. The everlasting covenant and new Covenant are not the exact same thing. With Abraham were two covenants. One the heavenly calling, one the earthly. The heavenly are not promised land under the Mosaic Covenant Covenant renewed in the New. Ezekiel 36 are the promises under the New including land. Abraham looked for a city who's builder and maker is God....above and free, the Heavenly Jerusalem. In Isaac will thy seed be called. The Church, is not Israel, but ONE NEW MAN, NEITHER JEW OR GENTILE.
---kathr4453 on 12/21/14


Thank you Kathr. I agree with many of your points.

The Everlasting Covenant started in Eden and it allowed Adam and Eve and all of us at a chance at salvation. It did not provide a lot of detail.

Then a Covenant was made with Noah and then Abraham. Each telling more about the everlasting covenant and giving more detail.


Genesis 35:10

And God said unto him... he called his name Israel.

With Israel came the Old Covenant with more details and teachings pointing to the Messiah as was always true.

Now the Messiah is here and the Everlasting Covenant also called the New Covenant is made still with Israel. Read Ephesians 2 Hebrews 8.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/21/14


Trav, silly goose....Anyone can post random selective scriptures to say anything they want. Yes we do see God promised to make a New covenant with Israel replacing the Old that was given exclusively to Israel when they were to be a light to all nations. Today Jesus is that Light that came into the world and now HE is that light to all man everywhere.

It's humorous Trav you not being a true Jew want to disenfranchise Gentiles like yourself, where I a true Jew knows salvation is offered to ALL MEN EVERYWHERE, regardless.

Your blood has NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION. Your blood passed down from your human fathers is sinful. Jesus never promised salvation to those who have His blood DNA. No human has Jesus blood DNA.
---kathr4453 on 12/21/14


...then one can point out to Trav that... Hebrews 13:20-21 clearly states the blood of the Everlasting Covenant made before the foundation of the world.
---kathr4453 on 12/19/14

Your points never have scriptural witnesses, prophets, apostles or otherwise. So you have no point to point at.

Heb_8:8 ... saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 13:20 ...Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Psa_44:11 Thou hast given us like sheep appointed for meat, and hast scattered us among the heathen.
Psa_78:52 But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock.
---Trav on 12/21/14


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Aka, I'm glad to hear you say you too believe Jesus blood was shed for the sin of the whole world regardless of human genealogy, race, tongue, tribe nation , skin color, blood line etc etc.

But what does " who did Cain marry" have to do with it? Are you excluding inbreeds? Why not ask who Abel married? Please clarify why this is important to the Blood of the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world?
---kathr4453 on 12/20/14


Kath.. So, your answer is yes. it is true that the only bloodline that matters is from jesus christ as you pointed out from scripture.

You didn't answer my question about cain. I never said there was scripture that said he was cut off.

I simply wanted to know to whom was Cain married...his mother or his sister? Since all mankind is from Adam and eve, these are the only two possibilities.
---aka on 12/20/14


\\Question: was Eve also Cain's wife or was it one of his sisters?
---aka on 12/19/14\\

It would seem to be one of his sisters, as the Bible says that Adam and sons and daughters.

It does not follow that Cain had a wife at the time of the murder of Abel, or that he found one immediately afterwards.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/14


While I think the historical Ark of the Covenant continues to exist, and others disagree, we can agree on this:

If the Bible is historically true, physical traces of events mentioned in the Bible can still exist.

"I will put My Spirit upon Him" is a Messianic prophecy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/14


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Who determines who is a "Spirit-filled Christian" and who is not? God

Isa 42:1 . . . I have put my spirit upon him . . .

Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes . . .

Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you . . .

Mat 12:18 . . . I will put my spirit upon him . . .

Gal 4:6 . . . the Spirit of his Son into your hearts . . .

1Cor 3:16 . . . the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

How? God does not tell us how the Spirit enters us.

And is it possible to be a Christian without being spirit-filled? No. See Romans 8:9
---aservant on 12/20/14


Aka, the ONLY blood line that matters is the Blood of Jesus Christ.

Scripture states Cain was Eve's son, just as Abel, of which both were shown that BLOOD, that is Abel's sacrifice offered opposed to Cain's bloodless offering God rejected, yet gave him a second chance to obey. So we see faith in the promised Messiah Genesis 3:15 was offered to everyone right from the foundation of the world. There is no scripture that states Cain or his descendants were cut off. And not until we are all in heaven will we know just how many individuals of those in Cain's line ...just as Rahab faith is shown, also a Canaanite from another cursed blood line was saved by faith, as a scarlet thread ( a type of blood=Passover) was put upon her house.
---kathr4453 on 12/20/14


---\\Hebrews 13:20-21 clearly states the blood of the Everlasting Covenant made before the foundation of the world.\\ kathr4453

so, you are also saying that there is indeed at least one bloodline that has provision?

aka on 12/19/14

Aka, hopefully you don't believe that nonsense of Jesus marrying Mary Mag having children together producing Jesus bloodline.

Or are you suggesting Jesus literal blood in his veins was not that of His Fathers DNA?

Not sure where you want to go with this question......please, more info please?
---kathr453 on 12/20/14


\\Hebrews 13:20-21 clearly states the blood of the Everlasting Covenant made before the foundation of the world.\\ kathr4453

so, you are also saying that there is indeed at least one bloodline that has provision?

//Gentiles are all families of the earth. //

this would be most true if all families descended from Adam and Eve.

Question: was Eve also Cain's wife or was it one of his sisters?
---aka on 12/19/14


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Samuel, your posts are excellent, except on two points. Gentiles as Paul tells us in Galatians comes under the Abrahamic Covenant. With Abraham were TWO covenants, and the Holy Spirit will show you if you want to understand it. It's in Romans 4. And it's in Galatians. Abraham was not promised a NEW Covenant. If one understands the EVERLASTING Covenant, first, the one Abel is saved under, the one never annulled by the Law that was replaced by the New, then one can point out to Trav that under the EVERLASTING COVENANT, Gentiles are all families of the earth. Hebrews 13:20-21 clearly states the blood of the Everlasting Covenant made before the foundation of the world.

Will post # 2 next.
---kathr4453 on 12/19/14


#2

Dispensations are not covenants, so no dispensation dictates how one is saved. Why, because in every dispensation, salvation has always been by faith. Even stated at the time of the Old Covenant FAITH, as we see in Hebrews 11....mentioning all those from Adam to and through the LAW even Moses....is about their FAITH, not their works. The Law was added to point to sin, and never states it works to be saved from sin.

Hebrews 11 is faith in the everlasting covenant promise...Gentile re Abel to Jews re Moses and on to the time appointed when Jesus the promised Messiah came, whom was the object of their faith.
---kathr453 on 12/19/14


Only GOD determines who is a Spirit filled Christian. But if a person is hateful towards others. We can guess they are not.

No one has ever been saved by works. That is a false doctrine of Dispensationalism.

In the Old Covenant the blood of animals pointed to the salvation that would be provided by the death of JESUS.

The Moral laws of GOD are still in effect. Love leads to obeying the law. Romans 13:8-10

The Ceremonial laws while they can still teach us do not apply to us. They were prophetic pointing to Jesus.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/19/14


regardless of one's own theory, dogma, doctrine, or delusion...

look for completion at end what was broken in the middle of what was established at the start through reconciliation.

faith v. works ---> faith with works
two houses ---> one house
non yielding fruit tree (with grafting) ---> tree yielding fruit tree
10 tribes + 2 tribes ---> 12 tribes
1 sheepfold + 1 sheepfold (still to come) - goats ---> my sheep
blood covenant ---> Blood covenant

no scripture...no sale

everybody wants a way to glorify themselves and sees what they want to see.

Joh_14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
---aka on 12/19/14


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\\Spirit-filled Christians are the only ones that are married to Jesus.\\

Who determines who is a "Spirit-filled Christian" and who is not?

How?

And is it possible to be a Christian without being spirit-filled?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/14


This thought ignores scripture.

Jeremiah 31:31

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:8

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

The New Covenant is made with Israel. Read Ephesians2 we gentiles are joined to Israel.

The Early church taught out of the Old Testament alone while the new was being written.


2Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
---Samuelbb7 on 12/19/14


4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Read it again Trav. Have you died to the Law by the Body of Christ? This is your responsibility. The Only way you can die to the Law and be married to another is through personally identifying with Jesus Christ in death and resurrection live. You have jumped over this very important truth believing yourself to be under a New Covenant without obedience in this area first. Now Gentiles in Romans 6 have no law to die to to be buried with Him in baptism unto death in order to be raised a new creature.
---kathr4453 on 12/19/14


Spirit-filled Christians are the only ones that are married to Jesus. Rom 7:4, 8:9 Once married to Him, the Law can no longer convict us because being one with Jesus = the Almighty Judge has pronounced us already convicted and executed with Him, thus we are dead to the Law, because the Law can only convict those who have not yet been executed. Rom 7:1

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law . . . He has fulfilled all the Law. Matt 5:18

This does not say the Law is ended (i.e., that the Law itself is dead). It will be used to convict those not married to Christ. Rom 4:15
---aservant on 12/19/14


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Trav, Paul is the one ... Romans 2:13 and Romans 3:20. . The woman in Rev 12 ...has a crown of 12 stars.
---barb on 12/18/14

Agree, Paul is a "cats cradle", tangle. ha. Won't argue, with the woman of my mothers name. And like you whether you do me or not, you search scripture. Aka, answered 12th star. Same dream, you brought it to light for me, with your question.
My heart always skips when I see a scripture witness in scripture...upholding another scripture. Freeing me from Trav's opinion, doubts, fears, dogmas of anyone elses doctrines. No witnesses...no sale. Most demand a "carfax" before purchase but, not "scriptural-facts"?? Note all the opinions posted here...with no facts.
---Trav on 12/19/14


Trav seems to not understand Romans 7, where the ONLY WAY remarriage had to first come through their own death...seeing Israel is the WOMAN,
Old covenant was made with whole of Israel, so any divorce would have to be made with the whole of Israel, ...
---kathr4453 on 12/19/14

Dearest Jezzy. Christ Died. Both houses are freed to remarry.
Rom_7:2... if the husband be dead, she is loosed from law of her husband.
Judah rejected so it went to the "ten virgins" Nth House. 5 slumber right now (careless, wasteful, non discerning, foolish) with their lights on.
Whole House Divorce? Remember 10 virgins...ea girl stands on her own. North House separated from Judah/Benj. Jer_3:8 .... Israel committed adultery ...
---Trav on 12/19/14


//she has a crown of 12 stars. In Joseph's dream there are 11 stars.// barb

Joseph is the 12th star. Sun (jacob) and Moon (rachel).
---aka on 12/18/14


I'm sorry to interject this in but Obama may put sanctions (sorry I think thats what its called)against Israel and we need to pray this doesn't happen> America has long helped Israel and it's wrong to stop now. The Bible says pray for the peace of Jerusalem and they can have no peace if this happens,they will be a sitting duck. Thank you. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 12/18/14


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\\ Guess it's easier to believe a preacher is a preacher in a $10,000.00 bathrobe. \\

It's easy to mock what you know nothing about, right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/14


The Old Testament is much more than just the covenant with God.

The History, Poetry, and Prophecies have nothing to do with the contractual portion of the Law.

Very often when you purchase a new pair of shoes, you continue to keep the old pair for those times when they are needed. It is the same with the OT and NT.

Both Covenants are about pleasing God, His way. For example, there are no tithing or freewill offering instructions in the NT.

People born in NT times need to learn from the OT that these statues are in effect forever. Num 18.
---aservant on 12/19/14


Interestingly Hosea did not divorce Gomer. This is a true picture of God's everlasting love for Israel.

And Trav seems to not understand Romans 7, where the ONLY WAY of any remarriage had to first come through their own death to the law....not divorced from the law, since remarriage under law was forbidden...seeing Israel is the WOMAN, The Old covenant was made with the whole of Israel, so any divorce would have to be made with the whole of Israel, not just certain tribes. And if Trav insists on this, then God would have to have made a new Covenent with Judah, leaving the 10th house out.

It doesn't matter what tribe anyone is from, ....they ALLhave to DIE to the law to be married to another which is Christ.
---kathr4453 on 12/19/14


-God is having this happen to provoke Israel to jealousy.
Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? ...
Rom 11:11
-The Law is still schooling people to Christ.
---micha9344 on 12/18/14

Schooling Judah perhaps...they being provoked to jealousy by our claiming and usage of Israels scriptures. The North House divorced are the "not my people"...Rom_9:25 As he saith also in Osee (Hosea), I will call them my people, which were not my people, her beloved, which was not beloved.
Hosea 1:9, 1:10 and 2:23.
Hos_2:23 I will sow her unto me in the earth, I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy, I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people, they shall say, Thou art my God.
---Trav on 12/18/14


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I never meant God destroyed it,just that it was done away with on earth and the fact it will be in heaven makes perfect sense because it was holy and wasn't it kept in the Holy of Holy's therefore for God to have it in his Temple isn't strange at all. It also doesn't nullify what I said,the Old Covenant waxed old and that which waxes old is ready to pass away and no longer be in use exactly as the Ark which held the elements of the Old Covenant. Yes the New Covenant is written on our hearts and summed up in one word love. All the Commandments are kept in operation by Love.
---Darlene_1 on 12/18/14


Trav, Paul is the one who should be accused or excused for contradicting himself. Romans 2:13 and Romans 3:20. The commandments are the requirements for all who wish to enter into God's Kingdom whether they be Jews or from any other Nation/peoples in the world. Rev. 7:9-10.

Joseph's dream has nothing to do with Rev 12:17. His dream was a prophecy from God which was fulfilled in Gen.42:6-9. The woman in Rev 12 is clothed with the sun and the moon is under her feet and she has a crown of 12 stars. In Joseph's dream there are 11 stars.
---barb on 12/18/14


Here are some things to ponder.
...Jer 31:33 say that the new one is the Law written in our "Israel's" minds and hearts?
Rev. 11:18-19. and how does one explain those who keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus in Rev 12:17?
---barb on 12/17/14

Search Heb 10.
Rom_2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

Identity of Rev 12:1 woman, see Joseph below.
Rev 12:17 witness for Gen 37:9 he dreamed yet another dream, told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more, and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
---Trav on 12/18/14


Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
-The old covenant and it's laws have not yet vanished, for the time of the Gentiles is not quite over.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
-God is having this happen to provoke Israel to jealousy.
Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by [them that are] no people, [and] by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Rom 11:11
-The Law is still schooling people to Christ.
---micha9344 on 12/18/14


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\\I read no claim of Jeremiah speak. I read a quote of the lord speaking in the book of jeremiah.
\\

So far, the Ark has not been forgotten, so this prophecy does not presently apply as it has not been fulfilled.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/14


Ark has not been forgotten, as you claim Jeremiah is saying.
In fact, it's STILL remembered and searched for.
---Cluny on 12/17/14

Israel has a New Covenant. Christians don't yearn for the Old, so the Ark is not searched for. Even though orthodox/Anglicans are still you say.
Jer 3:18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel,they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
Your Orthodox Ethiopians claim Orthodox. Sure look like you guys in photos. Guess it's easier to believe a preacher is a preacher in a $10,000.00 bathrobe. Seen an anglican in "chain mail" with Tennis shoes on once.
Luk_20:46 Beware ...
---Trav on 12/18/14


//Well, so far, the Ark has not been forgotten, as you claim Jeremiah is saying.//

I read no claim of Jeremiah speak. I read a quote of the lord speaking in the book of jeremiah.

There's no need to try again.
---aka on 12/18/14


\\The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it, neither shall they visit it, neither shall that be done any more.\\

Well, so far, the Ark has not been forgotten, as you claim Jeremiah is saying.

In fact, it's STILL remembered and searched for.

And the Ethiopians are not Orthodox but Monophysite.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/14


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Not necessarily.
The Ark, likewise a physical object... I think the most likely place is Ethiopia.
---Cluny on 12/16/14

Jer_3:16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it, neither shall they visit it, neither shall that be done any more.
Jer 3:15
Heb 9:15
No proof physical or otherwise ethiopians have the "stolen" Ark.
Cluny's "orthodox" ethiopians claim to have stolen it from King Solomon. And no one noticed it was gone. Right. Might possibly have a royal jewelry or shoe box.
---Trav on 12/17/14


Here are some things to ponder. If the old covenant is different than the new covenant why does Jer 31:33 say that the new one is the Law written in our minds and hearts? Did Jesus say that the purpose of the Law was no longer effective or did He teach the way to eternal life is to keep the commandments. Matt 19:17.

If the ark of the covenant is done away with then why is it brought out of the temple in Heaven at the time of judgement? Rev. 11:18-19. And how does one explain those who keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus in Rev 12:17?
---barb on 12/17/14


Not necessarily.

The Old Covenant is still written down and is part of the Bible.

The Ark, likewise a physical object, can still exist. I think the most likely place is Ethiopia.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/14


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