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'Jesus is... the universe's creator'- Marc.

Who say's Jesus as a created angel created the universe? I haven't and the Bible doesn't either. Marc must have "small voices inside him" too.

Does Marc believe in "journaling converstaions with God" as does his trinity side-kick Warwick? I'm sure to come up with 'Jesus is the universe's creator', Marc must be a sucker for C & MA occultism- listening to voices in the head. Those voices have likely told Marc JW's believe "Jesus is the universe's creator".

Perhaps Marc could ask the 'small voice inside him' why it took until 381AD to reveal the truth, and why has the trinity god been responsible for so much death and suffering!?
---David8318 on 1/7/15


Marc's dreamy "I met JW" stories are becoming more laughable. He can't get me or scott to say what he wants on CN so he has to dream up a JW tale. Usual over-egged acting from Marc.

It would be even better if Marc could tell us where God appointed a group between creation and 325AD who taught the pagan trinity? Marc's crowd didn't adopted the concept of the pagan trinity until 325AD, couldn't decide who the 3rd "God" could be until 381AD when they decided it should be the holy spirit! Marc's god refused to reveal the truth for over 4000 years!

Since its man-made inception, Marc's cruel trinity god has been responsible for the cruel crusades and the 2 world wars of the last century- all fought in trinity land.
---David8318 on 1/7/15


Thanks Jimbo. Yes, a very Merry Christmas! Trust the same was the experience of you & yours.
---Leon on 1/4/15


Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas!
---JImbo on 1/4/15
---Leon on 1/6/15


Scott, some times you are slow on the uptake!

That which is being discussed is not about what I have said, but about what David has said. Misusing A.B. Simpson he claims that hearing God's "still small voice" (to quote Simpson) is somehow 'strange', maybe even demonic! But 1 Kings 19:12 reads "And after the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice."

Again the questions you avoid:

Do you claim God does not speak to man audibly?
Do you also claim God does not speak to man through His Son Jesus?
Do you also claim God does not speak to us also via our consciences?
Do you further claim God does not speak to us through his word?
---Warwick on 1/7/15


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word . . . and the Word was God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born . . . and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever . . .

Titus 2:13 . . . the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ,

Colossians 1:16 . . . all things were created by him, and for him:

Matthew 1:23 . . . shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1 Timothy 3:16 . . . God was manifest in the flesh . . .
---aservant on 1/7/15




Asked a JW today was there a group appointed by YHWH between 100AD and 1870 which held to the JW theology (i.e. Jesus is a created angel and is the universe's creator). "No, there wasn't."

I asked, "So God refused to reveal the truth to any organisation for 1800 years."

"Yes, that's right."

I retorted, "Well, your God is cruel and is not the God of the Bible."

No, David and Scott, you guys can't see the obvious. The god of this world has blinded you because of your arrogance and belief in (a faux) salvation by works.
---Marc on 1/7/15


Scott: i have mentioned this 3x here before.
I asked God to help me understand fornication, He told me, " the unmar
ried girl is your neighbour's wife".
---Adetunji on 1/7/15


"It is not what about I have said..." Warwick

Uhhh...what?

Why so defensive? If God speaks to you literally and audibly, why not share an example? Didn't Moses and everyone else share what God communicated to them, whether through angels or directly?

They wrote it down for the benefit of all. Please share.
---scott on 1/6/15


'they said He was calling Himself God'- Warwick.

Yes, "they said"... the apostate Jews said Jesus was God. Jesus didn't say he was God!

Jesus defended himself against these apostate Jews by saying, "I am God's son"- Jo.10:36. You like those apostate Jews draw wrong conclusions about Jesus. You like those apostate Jews cannot discern the obvious.

Maybe those apostate Jews like yourself heard voices in their heads telling them that Jesus is God! Jesus certainly didn't say he was!
---David8318 on 1/6/15


"The Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind." WT, 10/1/67.

Vs

"It does not mean The Watchtower is inspired, infallible and without mistakes." WT 5/ 15/47.

Vs

"strangely, through reading [the Bible alone] some have reverted back to [Trinitarianism]" WT 8/15/81.


"Not that [we] prophesy in the sense of foretelling events but rather they are making public proclamation of the inspired dreams and visions long ago recorded." WT 1/ 1/71

Vs

The Watchtower Armageddon prophecies of 1874, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1940, 1941, 1975...
---Marc on 1/6/15




David as regards what Scripture says or doesn't say where is Jesus called Michael the Archangel in Scripture?

The watchtower magazine says "Michael was the name of Jesus Christ before he left heaven and after his return."

Where does Scripture call Jesus Michael?
Where does Jesus call Himself Michael?
When Jesus asked His apostles "Who do you say I am" Luke 9:18 did they reply-Michael the archangel?
In John 10:25-33 Jesus spoke of "my Father" 3 times and said "I and the Father are one." For this blasphemy did they say-you being a mere man call youself an angel?
You know they didn't they said He was calling Himself God.

They saw the obvious but you avoid it.
---Warwick on 1/6/15


Let's remember what Warwick's C & MA creator Albert Simpson wrote:

'There is, in the deepest centre of the soul, a chamber of peace where God dwells, and where, if we will only enter in and hush every other sound, we can hear His still, small voice'- The Holy Spirit, Or, Power From On High.

Also C & MA pastor David Smith says: 'God can and does speak to us in multi-level methods as we open up all the vents of our soul to listen'-Listening Prayer. Smith lists 30 ways God "speaks" to believers, including mental pictures, imagination, visions, and even journaling conversations with God!

None of these describe how God spoke to Samuel. The way Warwick hears voices in his head is through the occult.
---David8318 on 1/6/15


Thanks Jimbo. Yes, a very Merry Christmas! Trust the same was the experience of you & yours.
---Leon on 1/4/15


Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas!
---JImbo on 1/4/15



SEASON GREETINGS, HAPPY HOLYDAY, MERRY CHRISTMAS past, present & future to all True Believer Christians on CN blogs.
---Leon on 12/27/14
---Leon on 1/6/15


Scott, it is not what about I have said but about what David claims. Stop evading reality.

The questions to you still stand:


Do you claim God does not speak to man audibly?
Do you also claim God does not speak to man through His Son Jesus?
Do you also claim God does not speak to us also via our consciences?
Do you further claim God does not speak to us through his word?
---Warwick on 1/6/15


"God has spoken to me countless times." Adetunji

What did the Almighty God say to you personally and audibly?
---scott on 1/6/15


Scott, God has spoken to me countless times.
If u serve Him in JW, u will hear Him also. Not hearing Him is an evidence that JW is not His.
---Adetunji on 1/6/15


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"Evade the point." Warwick

Can you give us an example of something that God has directly, literally ("audibly") said to you?
---scott on 1/6/15


1Jn 5:7 there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

- Wikipedia -
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (from Latin trinitas "triad", from trinus "threefold")[1] defines God as three consubstantial persons,[2]expressions, or hypostases:[3] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit, "one God in three persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature".[4] In this context, a "nature" is what one is, while a "person" is who one is.
---aservant on 1/5/15


Scott, once again you endeavour to evade the point.

David claims the idea that God speaks to man is not Scriptural. As I have shown it is clearly Scriptural therefore David is wrong.

The questions to you still stand:


Do you claim God does not speak to man audibly?
Do you also claim God does not speak to man through His Son Jesus?
Do you also claim God does not speak to us also via our consciences?
Do you further claim God does not speak to us through his word?
---Warwick on 1/5/15


"Evade the point." Warwick

Not "evading" anything. I understand, based on God's word, how he has spoken to men in the past. I just want to make sure that I understand what you're actually saying.

Does God speak directly to you or not? Do you literally hear the voice of God?
---scott on 1/5/15


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'To say that to deny A is to deny B does not mean that A is IN B'- Cluny.

Well of course Cluny the un-Orthodox "Catholic without a pope" trinitarian will say something as ridiculous as this.

If "Holy Trinity" is not in the Bible (as Cluny admits), how is it one denies the Bible by denying the false "Holy Trinity"?

Cluny maybe able to tickle the ears of the gullible with his simplistic formulae, but it doesn't stack up to scriptral scrutiny.
---David8318 on 1/5/15


Scott, don't try to evade the point.

David would have us believe God does not speak to man: that the very idea is pagan. However Gods word, including the examples I have given, is explicit in pointing out God speaks directly to man, in many ways, including audibly.

So Scott considering the Scriptures I gave-1 Samuel 16:7, Deuteronomy 5:24 and Hebrews 1:1,2

Do you claim God does not speak to man audibly?
Do you also claim God does not speak to man through His Son Jesus?
Do you also claim God does not speak to us also via our consciences?
Do you further claim God does not speak to us through his word?
---Warwick on 1/5/15


\\As aservant believes a denial of the Holy Trinity is a denial of the Bible,\\

To say that to deny A is to deny B does not mean that A is IN B.

But I don't expect you to grasp that, because you think the "jehovah", "jesus" and "god" you believe in are the real ones.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 1/5/15


'no one here has ever said that Holy Trinity is in the Bible'- Cluny.

Oh but Aservant did link 'Holy Trinity' with the Bible on 12/26/14:

"[JW's] deny the deity of Christ, His position in the Holy Trinity... [and because JW's deny the Holy Trinity]... they deny that the Holy Bible is the truth".

As aservant believes a denial of the Holy Trinity is a denial of the Bible, my question (still unanswered by aservant) is where in the Bible is "Holy Trinity"- chapter and verse please!

If "Holy Trinity" is not in the Bible, how can one denying it be denying the Bible!? Its a simple question!

I will however agree with Cluny above that 'Holy Trinity' is not in the Bible.
---David8318 on 1/5/15


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'Major flaw'

Arlington is probably full of Catholics and protestants who were sent by false religious leaders to Europe, not to lay their lives down for their Catholic or protestant "friends"... but to kill them!

Christ said:

'Love one another... By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another'- John 13:34,35 (NIV). JW's have intense love for one another no matter what their nationality.

I don't recall Jesus killing anyone when he drove the money changers out. Jesus said: 'Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword'- Mt.26:52-54.

According to Cliff, love is 'laying down ones life for [king and country!]'
---David8318 on 1/5/15


David8318: all days are made by Jesus. Christians have no day for idols.
---Adetunji on 1/5/15


"...But in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son... Hebrews 1:1,2"- Warwick

To be clear Warwick, are you saying that God speaks to you directly just as Christ literally spoke to 1st century disciples?

You literally hear the voice of God?
---scott on 1/5/15


David, when you become abusive I know my comments have hit home. The dog hit by the rock is the one which yelps!

You claim God does not speak to man!

NWT 1 Samuel 16:7 "But Jehovah said to Samuel" Who spoke to Samuel David?

"...This day we have seen God speak with man..." Deuteronomy 5:24

"Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world." Hebrews 1:1,2

You select out by rejecting the personhood of the Holy Spirit, and by downgrading Jesus to creaturehood!
---Warwick on 1/4/15


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\\I haven't said 'Kingdom Hall' or 'Bible' are in the Bible.
---David8318 on 12/27/14\\

And no one here has ever said that Holy Trinity is in the Bible, either, as you have implied earlier.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 1/4/15


'You are not the least bit phased by mad men decapitating Christians'.

Well your warmongering hasn't stopped this vile brutality. What's your point?

It could be argued that your lust for recent unjust and illegal wars has created a platform for the latest brutal and Satanic practice of beheading innocent people.
---David8318 on 1/4/15


Thanks Jimbo. Yes, a very Merry Christmas! Trust the same was the experience of you & yours.
---Leon on 1/4/15


Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas!
---JImbo on 1/4/15


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Nowhere in the Bible will you find "Kingdom Hall"... Or even "Bible," for that matter- Cluny.

I haven't said 'Kingdom Hall' or 'Bible' are in the Bible.
---David8318 on 12/27/14


SEASON GREETINGS, HAPPY HOLYDAY, MERRY CHRISTMAS past, present & future to all True Believer Christians on CN blogs.
---Leon on 12/27/14


-3-
-Jehovah's Witness-
They teach that Satan and Christ are brothers. They should read Jn 14:30, 2Cor 5:21, 1Jn 3:5. See Creation pp. 18, 53

They teach that the shed blood of Christ does not guarantee everlasting life. They should read Mt 1:21, 26:28, Acts 20:28, Ro 5:9, 2Cor 5:21, 2Tim 2:5, Heb 9:14, 1Pt 1:18-19, 3:18, 1Jn 1:7, 2:22-23, 4:2-3, 14-15, 5:1, 10-12, 20, 2Jn 7.

They teach that Jesus is dead (i.e., that He is spirit only and does not have a glorified body). They should read Mk 16:12, 14, Lk 24:36-40, Acts 1:3, 1Cor 15:4-8, Phpn 3:21.

They teach that humans will not see the 2nd coming, that He will not return as flesh. They should read Mt 24:30, Lk 3:6, Rev 1:7.
---aservant on 12/27/14


'there is no doctrine of Trinity'- aservant.

All the verses aservant uses in an effort to prove the un-Biblical trinity actually prove his polytheist indoctrination by trinitarian false teachers.

Take for example Genesis 1:26 which aservant uses to prove the trinity. Here God says: "Let us make man in our image". Who is God speaking to? Another "God" within the trinity godhead as aservant believes? This is clearly an erroneous polytheist understanding of Gen.1:26.

The mysterious trinity dogma is refuted by verses such as these: Deut.6:4, Is.42:8, Zech.14:9, Matt.4:10, 24:36, Jo.1:1,18 & 5:19,30, Acts 7:55, 1Cor.8:6, Col.1:15, 1Tim.2:5, Heb.9:11, 1Jo.2:1,2, Rev.3:12,14

etc...
---David8318 on 12/27/14


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\\I agree. No where in the Bible will you find "Holy Trinity".\\

Nowhere in the Bible will you find "Kingdom Hall," either.

Or even "Bible," for that matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/27/14


David/Scott, Major flaw in the Society's stand is this, John15.13 "No greater love has no one than this,that he lay down his life for his friends"
Go to Arlington or some veteran's cemetery and see how many lay down their lives so you and I are not now slaves of Nazism or Japanese Imperialism . You sit back and bad mouth those who protect you,Jehovah does not intervene in worldly wars. You fight them or die!
You are not the least bit phased by mad men decapitating Christians ?
---1stcliff on 12/27/14


'Satan interacts with people in their logic'- aservant.

I agree. No where in the Bible will you find "Holy Trinity". And will the God of "love" aservant speaks of burn someone for all eternity in what aservant calls "hell"? What a cruel god aservant worships! These false teachings are the logic of Satan.

Aservant is typical of trinitarians who cannot join in with the discussion at hand so produce red-herrings and lies to divert and hyjack blogs.

Aservant lies, lies and lies again. JW's are not disrespectful to government authorities, there is eternal punishment for sinners, and the 144000 are not the only ones who are saved.

Lets see what other lies and red-herrings aservant disgorges.
---David8318 on 12/27/14


'Trying to reason reality'- Leon.

Your reality Leon is obeying your pagan leaders who insist you perpetuate the pagan December 25 festival. A festival that has zero to do with Christ, the King of true Christians who obey Christ's command to "be no part of the world"- John 17:14, and a Christ who has "no harmony with Belial" or any other pagan god including the pagan god Mithra- who's birthday is celebrated on December 25 (2Cor.6:14-18).

My mental faculties are entwinned with scripture, that protects me from the pagan festival you have been ensnared with. You will only break free of the man-made pagan emptinesses when you stop listening to "church fathers" and start listening to Christ!
---David8318 on 12/27/14


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-2-
-Jehovah's Witness-
Belief in Jesus Christ (especially His deity), His atoning Blood, and His Resurrection are the requisites to salvation. JESUS IS THE ONLY DOOR INTO HEAVEN! THERE IS NO OTHER ENTRY! Unless these people repent, they are utterly lost to salvation. These Scriptures should help settle the issue in their minds: Jn 5:18-23, 6:39-40, 10:30, 14:7.

They teach there is no doctrine of Trinity. They should read Gen 1:26, Mt 3:16-17, 1Jn 5:7.

They teach that Jesus is not God. They should read Is 7:14, 9:6, Mt 28:17, Mk 5:1-13, Jn 1:1, 3-4, 10-12, 14, 14:6, Acts 4:12, Phpn 2:5-6, Col 1:16-17, 2:9, 1Tim 3:16, Heb 1:8, Rev 19:13.
---aservant on 12/27/14


-5-
-Jehovah's Witness-
How do they explain Jesus going to Heaven - Mk 16:19, Lk 24:51, Acts 7:55-56? How did Lazarus get to Heaven - Lk 16:22-26? How did souls get under God's altar, when those souls were formerly on earth - Rev 6:9-11? How many of these are Jehovah's Witnesses? How did they qualify for Heaven if they needed to be Jehovah's Witnesses?

They better quit teaching another Gospel. They should read Gal 1:8-9.
---aservant on 12/27/14


"Categorically deny...His position in the Holy Trinity...they deny that the Bible is the truth." aservant

To the contrary, Jehovah's Witnesses believe and are diligent students of God's word. John 17:17

Since you have asserted that rejecting the notion of a "Holy Trinity" is tantamount to rejecting the Bible, please provide one verse (or more if you have them) that mentions or describes a "Trinity"...Holy or otherwise.

Not the verses that address or describe Christ's relationship with the Father, (happy to address those if you like later) but first, since it's your assertion, what verse mentions or describes a three-in-one, "Holy Trinity"?

Let's start there.
---scott on 12/27/14


\\In other words, Leon follows man-made emptiness.\\

And just what do you think the JfWs do?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/14


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-1-
Satan interacts with people in their logic (a deceiver). God interacts with people in their hearts (a Lover).

-Jehovah's Witness-
These people categorically deny the deity of Christ, His position in the Holy Trinity, the existence of eternal Hell, and one's justification by faith alone. In other words, they deny that the Holy Bible is the truth. They are calling the Living God a liar. See 2 Tim 3:16-17.
---aservant on 12/26/14


'I feel sorry for legalistic worshipers'- NurseRob.

I feel sorry for permissive worshippers.

Permissive worshippers evidently have a hatred for those at the other end of the spiritual spectrum who are not permissive.

NurseRobert typifies the permissive who permit and incorporate paganism into thier worship without any qualms despite scriptures such as 2 Corinthians 6:14-18.

How do ones like NurseRobert come to terms with 2Cor.6:14-18, knowing that God will not recieve ones polluted with false "Belial-like" worship? What a heavy burden to carry! I'd rather be a legalistic worshipper than a permissive one.
---David8318 on 12/26/14


-4-
-Jehovah's Witness-
They teach there is no eternal damnation for sinners. They should read Is 33:14, 66:24, Mt 3:12, 13:42, 18:8, 25:41, Mk 9:44, Rev 14:10, 20:10, 15, 21:8.

They teach disrespect of civil governments. They should read Ro 13:1, 2pt 2:9-10.

They teach that only 144,000 of the Jehovah's Witnesses will be saved (explaining why they work to become one of that number). Since the Jehovah's Witnesses were founded in the late 1800's, and since they claim that ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses will go to Heaven, how do they explain Enoch going to Heaven - Gen 5:22-24, or Elijah going to Heaven - 2 Kgs 2:9-11, or Moses and Elijah (Elias) descending from Heaven - Mt 17:1-4, Mk 9:2-5, Lk 9:29-31?
---aservant on 12/26/14


'Pretty cool stand'

no one (including God) can accuse me of paganism!... no one (including God) can accuse me of supporting bad government.

Absolutely, couldn't agree more! Its the coolest thing going "to keep oneself without spot from the world"- James 1:27.

So you think supporting bad government, July 4th, thanksgiving etc... makes you a christian!? Where does the Bible say that!? Your cage is small!

JW's perform their Christian activities doing what Jesus has commanded and are speeding up that activity- Matt.24:14. Christian activity is not governed by your worldly fantasies.
---David8318 on 12/26/14


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I really pity you David. First, you didn't believe in God. Now, you believe & trust the legalistic doctrines of JW devils. They have your mind (soul) so wrapped up in their spurious religious opinions you're in a real mental stupor (state of confusion). Trying to reason reality with you is like trying to communicate with a drunk or even someone who resides in a state mental institution. Praying for you, but there's nothing further we can discuss here.
---Leon on 12/26/14


Sure why not?
---Samuelbb7 on 12/26/14


'man-made religious emptiness'- Leon.

See your full of the joys of your Mithra-mas festival. Had to have been knocking back the bottle of brandy to come up with that one.

Well lets see who is following 'man-made emptiness'.

Oh yes, straight out of the mouth of Leon (12/23/14): "church fathers picked one for [us] to celebrate". So with no scriptural basis to do so, Leon follows the sayings of "church fathers" on the issue of the December 25 pagan festival. In other words, Leon follows man-made emptiness.

Following men Leon, thats exactly what you're doing! And by definition, you belong to a cult.
---David8318 on 12/26/14


David8318, do you enjoy the nice warm feeling you get from thinking yourself spiritually superior to all the REAL Christians who say that Jesus is GOD Incarnate Who physically rose from the dead?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/14


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Got a visit from some jws today.

Nice girls. They kind of interrupted our family time to tell us about family.

They had a beautiful day to be away from family to talk about family. I had a beautiful day to be with family.

It all worked out.
---aka on 12/25/14


David, the Watchtower is a snare and a racket and has done NOTHING for mankind.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/26/14


'Since scripture does not give us the date andtime of Jesus's birth, I don't need to know what day He was born to celebrate his birth'- NurseBob.

I agree! That's precisely my point. I don't need a date to celebrate the fact Jesus was born. I celebrate that fact every day.

I feel sorry for people led blindly into paganism erroneously believing they are celebrating Jesus' birth on Dec.25! A master stroke of ole' Mr Satan who can transform himself into an 'angel of light' and lead many like lemmings over a cliff- 2 Cor.11:14.

It was the spirit that gave us the 'letter of the law' as you call it, and inspired some to write, 'There is no harmony between Christ and Belial' (or Mithra)- 2 Cor.6:14-18.
---David8318 on 12/26/14


Your choice to celebrate Mithra-mas on December 25 is not for scriptural reason. I cannot help you on that one.
---David8318 on 12/25/14

David, Since scripture does not give us the date andtime of Jesus's birth, I don't need to know what day He was born to celebrate his birth.

I feel sorry for legalistic worshipers, such as yourself, who chose to emphasizing the letter of law (a letter, btw, that you cannot prove) at the expense of the spirit.
---NurseRobert on 12/25/14


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\\Leon- I rejoice the fact Jesus was born every day and worship God without paganism.\\

Too bad it's not the real God.

You merely worship an entity you call "jehovah".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/14


David: You & your JW cultist completely miss the point of the Christmas celebration just as you don't celebrate your own birthdays for twisted, unbiblical reasons. Regardless of what you say, in your heart you know no real joy ~ only Watchtower, man-made religious emptiness.
---Leon on 12/24/14


'HOWEVER THEY CHOOSE?'- NurseRobert.

You can choose to celebrate all you like nurserobert. But don't think for one moment that the pagan celebration on December 25 along with all the pagan paraphinalia has anything to do with Christ.

Some people are interested in the truth. The truth of why December 25 is used and where it came from. A person interested in following the Bible would then make a decision based on scriptures such as 2 Cor.6:14-18, what harmony is there between Christ and Belial (or Mithra).

Your choice to celebrate Mithra-mas on December 25 is not for scriptural reason. I cannot help you on that one.
---David8318 on 12/25/14


David, Pretty cool stand,
If you don't celebrate "any" day, New Years, July 4th, Thanksgiving etc...no one can accuse you of paganism!
If you don't vote no one can accuse you of supporting bad government,
Solution, Put your hands in your pockets and do absolutely nothing, that makes you a Christian ? (except you must attend meetings in the Kingdom Hall !)
That's the mind set of local witnesses !
---1stcliff on 12/25/14


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Leon- I rejoice the fact Jesus was born every day and worship God without paganism. When you decide to worship the God of the Bible on his terms and not on terms of your paganised church fathers, you will find true joy and satisfaction.

On what scriptural authority did your church fathers pick December 25 as the date for Jesus birth? Its no coincidence that it is also the most important date on the pagan calendar. Just because I choose not to go along with your pagan celebration, doesn't mean I don't believe Jesus was born. You again attach far too much importance on the pagan Mithra-mas celebration.

But you are fixated on the date. Even if the Bible did provide Jesus exact birth date, you pagans would still celebrate on Dec 25.
---David8318 on 12/24/14


I say happy holidays so that way in case they don't celebrate Christmas its not offensive, but polite. Also Jesus was born in April not December ,but we still celebrate family during these 6 weeks between Thanksgiving through the new year. We should keep Jesus the center of our family all year around.
---candice on 12/24/14


My God, its Christmas time and you people are arguing over how to celebrate. Why is it that people can't celebrate this time of year HOWEVER THEY CHOOSE?

Leon, say whatever you choose to say.

And Merry Christmas to you...
---NUrseRobert on 12/24/14


Dave: Going from not believing in the existence of God to now not believing God? Wow! You've been, & yet are, on a religious roller coaster ride.

You can't know true joy until you know God's truth. (Jn. 14:6) I hope you'll soon come to experience the joy of the Lord. Then you too will celebrate the fact God sent His Son into the world to save us from our sin.

True, Christians don't know Jesus' exact birth date. So, ancient church fathers picked one for true believers to celebrate & honor God for the immeasurable sacrifice He made for us.

Please don't fixate on the date we celebrate! Focus instead on the fact that "Christians" appreciate Jesus was born. That's what "Xmas" is all about!
---Leon on 12/23/14


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'like a canary is free inside his cage'.

Yes, my worship is free of paganism, hypocritical church leaders who bless dubious marriages that flout Romans 1:27. I'm free of corrupt church leaders who are at the beck and call of satans political system who promote and support illegal, unjust warfare. I'm free of false religious worship with its idolatry, mysticism, occultism and false teachings such as trinity and hell-fire- Jo.8:32.

Not to mention being free of the frantic over-indulgent, me-first tensions that come from the pagan commercialised xmas celebration.

Yes of course freedom is relative. But my cage is bigger than Cliffs... and cleaner!
---David8318 on 12/23/14


"Neither the objective sociological researcher nor the court of law can readily regard the apostate as a creditable or reliable source of evidence. He must always be seen as one whose personal history predisposes him to bias with respect to both his previous religious commitment & affiliations...the suspicion must arise that he acts from a personal motivation to vindicate himself & to regain his self-esteem, by showing himself to have been first a victim but subsequently to have become a redeemed crusader...[he's] likely to be suggestible & ready to enlarge or embellish his grievances..." Bryan Wilson...
---scott on 12/22/14


Wilson: an example of "paralysis of analysis". See 2 Timothy 3:1-7.
---Leon on 12/23/14


'Come back to the real Jesus'- Cluny.

Actually, before I became a JW, I was a "christmas celebrating" atheist. I didn't believe in God or the Bible having been indoctrinated into atheism/evolution through college and university. I only celebrated christmas as an atheist. As soon as I embraced Jehovah through Christ, I stopped the christmas/Mithra celebration recognising it as totally pagan. There is no harmony between Christ and Belial (or Mithra)- 2Cor.6:14-18.

The real Christ, contrary to what Cluny teaches has no harmony with the Dec.25 or Jan.6 Mithra-mas celebration.

December 25 and January 6 Mithra-mas celebration is the time when pagans, atheists and false-christians unite in false worship.
---David8318 on 12/23/14


'just what does brings you joy at this time of the year?'- Leon.

I'm joyful all year round Leon. Why have you got this obsession with "this time of the year"? Are you miserable January to November and "joyful" only in December because its xmas?

We use the time to visit family and friends. But on Thursday evening, December 25 I will be going to my Kingdom Hall to Worship not because its the pagan Mithra-mas day, but because my congregation always meet on Thursday evening to have a Bible study and have Christian association without all the pagan paraphinalia associated with "xmas" Mithra-mas.

But I do sincerely hope you have an enjoyable, stress free time.
---David8318 on 12/23/14


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It makes perfect sense for JfWs not to observe Nativity or Pascha, because they do not believe that Jesus is God made flesh, nor do they believe that He rose from the dead in His physical body.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/23/14


\\ I was like many here celebrating xmas before I became a JW\\

Come back to the real Jesus, not to the second class "jesus" of JfW who can offer you only second class salvation.

And as I earlier said, if you think you're making a stand for the entity you call "jehovah," you're not.

The X in "Xmas" is the first letter of the Greek word XPICTOC, a standard abbreviation.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/22/14


'Sometime I feel like Martin Luther King Jr'

Really? I like the idea of Jesus Christ myself, who said:

'Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free'- John 8:32.

I was like many here celebrating xmas before I became a JW. Now I'm free of the paganism and religious hypocrisy of the xmas celebration that many are still ensnared with... or have gone back to.

The truth has set me free of the shackles of pagan festivals. I enjoy this period of year far more now than when I used to celebrate xmas.
---David8318 on 12/22/14


Dave: So, minus your not celebrating the birth of Jesus, just what does brings you joy at this time of the year?
---Leon on 12/22/14


David, "Freedom" is a relative term, IE, a canary is free inside his cage.
I had many questions as a "witness" and was told by the servants, that I was running ahead of Jehovah's organization and to wait for my answers to come out in the "Watchtower".
I was certainly reprimanded for thinking "outside the box" (WTBTS)
Like the Orwellian "thought police"
I was chastised for sending Mom flowers on Mothers day.(in a nursing home, 90+ yrs old )
Tell me how this is "freedom"!
Try stepping out of line and see what happens to your freedom.
Free to obey the Organization !
---1stcliff on 12/22/14


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'Sometime I feel like Martin Luther King Jr'

Really? I like the idea of Jesus Christ myself, who said:

'Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free'- John 8:32.

I was like many here celebrating xmas before I became a JW. Now I'm free of the paganism and religious hypocrisy of the xmas celebration that many are still ensnared with... or have gone back to.

The truth has set me free of the shackles of pagan festivals. I enjoy this period of year far more now than when I used to celebrate xmas.
---David8318 on 12/22/14


The use of Bryan Wilson's quote is not unique unto the WTS. Other sects use it like scientology. There is nothing wrong with the quote. It is a problem when the organization itself defines the apostate.

After all, England could use this line of thought against america. I don't think the wts or c o s is moving hq across the big drink to jolly ole england.

the only one who can use wilson's quote is the one true lord. We have all sinned and fell short,so in a way aren't we all suspect?

Nevertheless, cliff, honestly you are suspect to me because even though you have left the society, you still embrace the theology and it's tactics thereof.
---aka on 12/22/14


Happy Holidays, humbug! (Or another word much shorter beginning with H.)

In Orthodoxy the greeting used from 25 December to 6 January is "Christ is born!" and the response is "Glorify Him!"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/22/14


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