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Does God Punish With Fire

Is there a Scripture that says God loves all his children but wants to punish some with eternal fire?

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Proverbs 16:4 - The Lord hath made ALL things for him self , yea, even the wicked for the day of evil,

{ All the father has given - All being the chosen - elect - ? Christ: lose nothing ! }

John 10:29 - My Father which gave them me is greater than all , No man is able to pluck them out of my father hand,
---RichardC on 1/20/15

Forgot that Proverbs scripture.
Amo_9:9 For, lo, I will command, I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 1/21/15


Proverbs 16:4 - The Lord hath made ALL things for him self , yea, even the wicked for the day of evil,

John 6:37 - All that the father giveth me shall come to me: and him that cometh to me I will in no way cast out,
John 6:38 - for I came down from heaven not to do mine own will , but the will of him who sent me,
John 6:39 - And this is the father's will which has sent me, that all which he has given me I should not lose nothing, but should raise up again on the last day,

{ All the father has given - All being the chosen - elect - ? Christ: lose nothing ! }

John 10:29 - My Father which gave them me is greater than all , No man is able to pluck them out of my father hand,
---RichardC on 1/20/15


God "is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." (in 2 Peter 3:9) So, God desires that all come to repentance.

Jesus said, "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do," in John 8:44. I understand Jesus was talking to certain Jews, when He said this, meaning not all Jews are God's children, then.

"But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons." (Hebrews 12:8) God's children are corrected to share in "His holiness" (Hebrews 12:10) and "peaceable fruit of righteousness" (Hebrews 12:11).
---com7fy8 on 1/15/15


Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter . . .
---aservant on 1/8/15

He is speaking to Judeans.
New Covenant shows who was being compared. The other house of Israel. Same Laws...new location in the heart and mind.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Eze 44:9 Thus saith the Lord GOD, No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
---Trav on 1/12/15


Rom 9:6 . . . they are not all(whole) Israel, which are of Israel:

Not all of biological Israel is Spiritual Israel.
---aservant on 1/8/15

Taking your verses one at a time.
This verse above uses the words "they" and "all". "They" referring to his brethren Judahites/Benjamites. Judah/Benjamin does not make the "whole" or "all" of Israel. Which would be making the words/promises of GOD to no effect. All or the whole twelve of Israel are found in the promises/covenants.
Verse 7 clarifies further by saying in Isaac shall the seed be called. Not Ishmael who was a seed/son of Abraham.
Jacob and twin brother Esau are another discussion here. No spirits, all related.
---Trav on 1/12/15




If somebody uses a verse to contradict another verse that someone else has cited, that is a contradiction. A contradiction is never not a contradiction.
---learner2 on 1/9/15

The person not presenting scriptural witnesses for conclusion of the matter is the contradiction.
A scriptural witness looks like this.
Prophet:Jer_50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, ...
Eze_34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
Christ to the Apostles:Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Joh_21:15 ...Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
---Trav on 1/12/15


"Is there a Scripture that says God loves all his children" "God is love." [1Jo 4:8>John 3:16>Rom 5:8]"but wants to punish some with eternal fire?" No. There is no scripture that states that He wants to punish anyone. As a matter of fact it is quite the contrary, He asked the question "Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says the Lord GOD, and not that he should turn from his ways and live? [Eze 18:23>Eze 33:11] He then answers and admonishes "I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies, says the Lord GOD. Therefore turn and live!" [Eze 18:32] If He is angry at anyone it is the so called prophet mentioned in [Eze 13:16-22]
---josef on 1/11/15


Learner: I believe that Samuel and aka are correct. Apparent contradictions in the Bible are the result of preconceived beliefs, limitations in biblical understanding, failure to understand meanings in context, poor scholarship, and just plain lack of faith in God.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.


---jerry6593 on 1/10/15


Hi, Geraldine (c: Our Father wants to correct us so we are "partakers of His holiness" and have His love's "peaceable fruit of righteousness" > Hebrews 12:6-11. And here it says if we do not have this correction, we are "illegitimate and not sons".

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

And Isaiah 55:11 says God's word will succeed in doing all that He pleases.

So, with us He is succeeding in doing all His word means, I trust (c: And > "our God is a consuming fire," we have in Hebrews 12:29. In His love's nature, of His curing correction, we are not burned!
---com7fy8 on 1/10/15


If somebody uses a verse to contradict another verse that someone else has cited, that is a contradiction. A contradiction is never not a contradiction.
---learner2 on 1/9/15




One can always find verses to contradict other verses. That's the problem with Sola Scriptura...
---learner2 on 1/8/15

if one or many humans find contradiction, it does not mean there is contradiction.

i found that most of the seeming contradiction is not taking scripture in light of other scripture. it is the lack of regarding what we have been taught in deference to all scriptural witness ... especially when it makes us shiver to the bone instead of lying in a marshmallow bed of soft, puffy scripture.
---aka on 1/9/15


JESUS fought the devil with "It is Written"
---Samuelbb7 on 1/9/15

Now that was a good one.

Act_13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets,
Act_15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets, as it is written,
Act_3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Luk_24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
---Trav on 1/9/15


No one cannot find Bible verses that contradict others. What people find is verses that contradict their understanding of the verses.

They do not wish to use all the verses to build a whole doctrine. They want just a single proof text for their favorite theory.

Those opposed to Sola Scriptora want to have leaders either decide for them or prefer to have a tradition they like instead of what Scripture teaches.

JESUS fought the devil with "It is Written"
---Samuelbb7 on 1/9/15


One can always find verses to contradict other verses. That's the problem with Sola Scriptura...
---learner2 on 1/8/15

It would seem so. But, it's actually not so...if one searches the prophets that Christ said he was fulfilling. For instance,
Rom_9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people, and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Osee, or Hosea.
Hos 2:23 I will sow her unto me in the earth, I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy, I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people, they shall say, Thou art my God.

Another interesting scripture : Act 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days,...
---Trav on 1/9/15


One can always find verses to contradict other verses. That's the problem with Sola Scriptura...
---learner2 on 1/8/15


Some verses that specifically address this are: Isaiah 65:13-16, 66:22-24, Daniel 12:1-3, Matthew 3:12, 25:46, Mark 9:41-48, John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15, Revelations 20:12-15, 21:6-8.
---Glenn on 1/8/15


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Rom 9:6 . . . they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Not all of biological Israel is Spiritual Israel.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter . . .

Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit . . .

Col 2:11 . . . ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands . . . by the circumcision of Christ:

Spiritual Jews have circumcised hearts (i.e., we have God's Spirit inside us), and have no outward physical evidence that we are Jews inwardly.
---aservant on 1/8/15


"But remember that the Logos was eternally begotten by the Father in Heaven before He took flesh in time from the Virgin on earth and was only then known as Jesus."

As the Word, He was of Spiritual linage, and not yet a child of biological lineage. When He was birthed as the physical child, He was named Jesus (Saviour).
---aservant on 1/8/15


... One verse? How about these?
Rom. 8:38-39
Eph. 2:4-5
Rom. 5:8
Matt. 5:43-48
1 John 4:8-10
2 Pet. 3:9
1 Cor. 13:1-13
Eph. 1:1-23
Rom. 3:29
2 Thes. 2:16
Need more?
---Mark_Eaton on 1/8/15

Verse vagueness in each case here also. They don't uphold your statement. Leaving you the one needing more. Not one OT prophet have you listed supporting any verse above. Post the prophets verifying your statement. Then you might have a credible stand.
1Pe_1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
---Trav on 1/8/15


1 John 4:10 ... sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.
---learner2 on 1/7/15

Act_5:31 ...a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out...
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: I will be to them a God, they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Rom_11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
---Trav on 1/8/15


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This isn't so and one misunderstood or misused verse doesn't make it so.
---Trav on 1/7/15

Wow, have you missed it. One verse? How about these?

Rom. 8:38-39
Eph. 2:4-5
Rom. 5:8
Matt. 5:43-48
1 John 4:8-10
2 Pet. 3:9
1 Cor. 13:1-13
Eph. 1:1-23
Rom. 3:29
2 Thes. 2:16

Need more?
---Mark_Eaton on 1/8/15


Cluny: "But remember that the Logos was eternally begotten by the Father in Heaven before He took flesh in time from the Virgin on earth and was only then known as Jesus."

Thank you for that. It is sad how many Christians don't know that Christ lived long before the manger. There is no way that they can understand:

Php 2:5-8 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

---jerry6593 on 1/8/15


-2-
Would Jesus lie about Hell?
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
---aservant on 1/7/15


Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 4:10 - Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.

1 John 4:8 - He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love.

2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
---learner2 on 1/7/15


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\\God's one biological child is Jesus.\\

That's true as far as it goes.

But remember that the Logos was eternally begotten by the Father in Heaven before He took flesh in time from the Virgin on earth and was only then known as Jesus.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/7/15


-1-
God's one biological child is Jesus. The rest of God's children are adopted, i.e., God injects His Spirit into those He adopts.
Rom 8:15 . . . ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:5 . . . that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Rom_8:9 . . . if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom_8:11 . . . by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Many THINK they are Christian and are adopted, but they are not. NONE of Gods adopted children are going to Hell. His Spirit inside us nudges us to obedience. Jesus' blood permits our repentance that erases our disobedience and restore us to our covenant.
---aservant on 1/7/15


Our Heavenly Father loves all mankind.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/7/15

This isn't so and one misunderstood or misused verse doesn't make it so.
In fear of the curse, one should, hesitate in teaching what has not researched in the original languages. Especially with no supporting witness verses. Until this point, you've never been told...so you knew no different.
John 17:6, John 17:14,John 17:9 Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine.
Three contrasting scriptures 4 u to chew on.
Curse for preaching other Gospels. Gal 1:8.But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
---Trav on 1/7/15


Mark, I assume that when your children "reap the consequences" of disobedience, the consequences do not include setting them on fire.
---Geraldine on 1/7/15


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Consider this Geraldine:

The Bible says, "Our God is a consuming fire." He was seen as fire in the Burning Bush, the Pillar leading the Hebrews out of Egypt, the Assumption of Elijah, and the Descent of the Holy Spirit.

The love of God will be warming and purifying for those who receive it in this life, or burning for those who have rejected it now.

It is to these God finally says, "All right. THY will be done. Depart into the everlasting inner fire of your own hatred."

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/7/15


Geraldine:

Our Heavenly Father loves all mankind. In John 3:16, the emphasis of the verse is on the word "so", as in "for God SO loved the world".

The love that The Father loves us with is shown in 1 Cor. 13. The first attribute of this love is patience. The Father is patient with us, 2 Pet. 3:9.

All The Father asks is for us to believe in His Son (John 3:18-19). Those who believe in Jesus will not be judged but those who reject Jesus will be judged.

I think of it like parenting. I try to give my children counsel to keep them safe. But they may not do what I ask. As a result, they will reap the consequences.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/7/15


Geraldine: Persons who perish by fire aren't God's "children". Unrepentant persons who die in their sin, they are the children of their father, the devil. So, it's only just that they follow him into the Lake of Fire on the day of judgment.

God is Holy (Pure). Sin is impure & can be disposed of (destroyed) in, I believe, two ways: 1.) Washed in the blood of Jesus. That's God's Way. 2.) Burned out (purged) by "eternal fire". That's the devil & sinner's choice.
---Leon on 1/6/15


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