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Slain In The Spirit

I would like to experience being slain in the spirit.
Can anyone help me please?

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Alex, if you're still here, may I ask WHY do you want to experience being slain in the spirit?---Leonon 1/16/15
---Leon on 1/16/15


What do you tell those vets, that those parts they lost in combat were "UNchosen, UNelected, UNcalled"?

kathr453, this fellow has shown a better penmanship than Mark_V. One thing is sure, they 'both' have eaten the same slop.

" God uses these past tense terms because His selections have already happened:..."

Here is a future tense, "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."
Here is a present to future tense: "If any man serve me, let him follow me, and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour."
---Nana on 1/16/15


Jesus Christ was sent to all sinful people of Israel but they didn't receive Him and that is why the Gentiles who believe Jesus is the Son of God ...
---Darlene_1 on 1/16/15

You are correct, Judah didn't accept Christ. The divorced House, the Lost Sheep did recognize and accept him. Woman at the well for one example. Prophecy confirms Christ and them. As servants they will not be found superior acting but, rather just "good folk with convicting Laws in their heart and mind, Heb 8:10/Jer 31:33. Very much like you seem. Gentile was never used as an original word. The word used was "ethnos" or nations or hellenes (greeks).
---Trav on 1/16/15


All humans are LOST before we are conceived (as a function of being conceived by sinful parents), which is why God must choose to save some if He wants humans in Heaven. Only the condemned need saving.
---aservant on 1/16/15

Firstly no humans exist before they are conceived. That is Mormon teaching and false to the core.

Secondly, NO humans will ever enter heaven. It's the NEW creature who enters heaven. Our old Adam is crucified with Christ, and raised up something totally NEW. Even the old heaven and wrath will pass away, and it will be a NEW Heaven and earth.

Still waiting for the name of that modern day prophet.
---kathr4453 on 1/16/15


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Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing.
---kathr4453


I'm seriousy glad you are enjoying your freedoms. A lot of my fellow warriors lost body parts and their lives during my 4 tours in a warzone. I have ministered to PTSD vets for several years who still relive their wars. Please respect their sacrifice and do your best to learn the truth about Scripture, so you can tell the truth with correct understanding, by RIGHTLY dividing the Word of Truth - 2Tim 2:15.

They would appreciate knowing they did not suffer for untruth to be promulgated.
---aservant on 1/16/15




The UNchosen, UNelected, UNcalled are not saved. All humans are LOST before we are conceived (as a function of being conceived by sinful parents), which is why God must choose to save some if He wants humans in Heaven. Only the condemned need saving.
---aservant on 1/16/15


It doesn't get any shoddiest than this. Please provide any scripture using UNchosen, UNcalled, and UNelect.

Every sentence you stated above is total nonsense, and not one word has scriptural backing. It rather sounds like a bunch of babbling nothing. Is this Markv back, pretending to be a WOF Charismatic Mormon Calvinist to throw off the scent? I actually believe it is.
---kathr453 on 1/16/15


Luke 6:47
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Mark 8:35
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it, but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

John 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

This does not fit with your teachings.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/16/15


Those surrendering to Christ in these years are completing the process of God's salvation decisions before He created the World - Eph 1:4-7.
---aservant on 1/16/15

You read it but you miss it.

The Father's plan was for Jesus to come and include all mankind in Their Trinitarian life. We know it as the word adoption.

The Trinity has been in relationship for all eternity. Their relationship is described as "oneness". Their desire is that all mankind be adopted. Therefore, Jesus came and made possible the adoption of every person, past, present, and future. This is the Gospel, the good news that everyone has been included, included in the life of God. All you need to do is just accept this free gift.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/16/15


I just want to say that Kathr4453 has always shown she has a real knowledge of the Bible verses. We do not always believe the same but we always believe the Word of God and nearly always share the Bible verses to back up what we say. Jesus Christ was sent to all sinful people of Israel but they didn't receive Him and that is why the Gentiles who believe Jesus is the Son of God who was sent to die for our sins,who was crucified,rose from the dead and lives now that all who will believe may be saved when they repent from their sins.Acts 16:30 & 31 ----"Sirs what must I do to be saved?" They replied,"Believe" in the Lord Jesus,and you will be saved-you and your household."
---Darlene_1 on 1/16/15


which is why God must choose to save some if He wants humans in Heaven.
---aservant on 1/16/15

This G.O.D. is not Jesus and His Father and the Holy Spirit. I do not accept your G.O.D. as the Holy Trinity.

You did not get this misunderstanding from Jesus. Perhaps you missed this verse:

Luke 10:22 " All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him"

No one in the OT knew The Father. Anything we learn about God, we have to start with Jesus and what Jesus says about His Father and work outward.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/16/15




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---kathr4453
Of course you can say what you want --- and so can I.

You misinform and offer shoddy Spiritual analysis --- I correct that with Scripture.

You offer untruth as doctrine --- I show everyone that you have little knowledge about what you speak.

Your demeanor implys you are a capable instructor taught by Jesus --- I debunk that myth.

I was called to this:

1Tim 1:3 . . . I asked you to . . . warn certain people there to stop spreading their false teachings.

Titus 1:10 there are many insubordinate . . .
11 . . . teaching things which they ought not . . .

2Tim 4:2 . . . Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching
---aservant on 1/16/15


Alex I will try to help you but you cannot determine when God lets his Holy Ghost Power flow over you and you fall out under the power,or as modern people say get slain in the Spirit. It isn't a command performance. It isn't a toy. You have to be walking a very sold out Spiritual life with God, totally committed,and trusting God in all areas and phases of your life. Seek God,pray for all he has for you,including the Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with tongues,put God first,praise Him,love Him and He will give you what He wants you to have. Wait upon the Lord . God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/16/15


---Mark_Eaton
chosen - Mat 22:14, Mar 13:20, Joh 6:70
elect - Mat 24:31, Mar 13:20, Luk 18:7
called - Mat 20:61, Mk 6:7, Rom 1:6.

Man did not choose, elect, or call himself to God - Jn 15:16. God uses these past tense terms because His selections have already happened: it is finished. Those surrendering to Christ in these years are completing the process of God's salvation decisions before He created the World - Eph 1:4-7.

The UNchosen, UNelected, UNcalled are not saved. All humans are LOST before we are conceived (as a function of being conceived by sinful parents), which is why God must choose to save some if He wants humans in Heaven. Only the condemned need saving.
---aservant on 1/16/15


I don't care for your petty theories about the kingdom of Israel.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/16/15

Petty? Translates to "trivial, of little importance", trifling, minor, insignificant, inconsequential, inconsiderable, piddling...of secondary or lesser importance, rank.
Will point to what you've never heard. Not for you, but for any sheep.
Jer 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
Jer_33:24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
---Trav on 1/16/15


Saving the world is not saving all the people in the world. The one sheep was already owned by Him, not a stray.
---aservant on 1/15/15

Oh, but you do not understand.

Jesus has already saved the entire world. He has already included us all in the Trinitarian life. All the world has been claimed by God. No one is a stray to God.

Jesus did not come and die so that we can externally accept Him into our lives. No, the Good News is that Jesus came and has accepted us into His life. All we need to do is reject our way and accept Him as Lord and accept His way.

So you see, all the coins are His, all the Sheep are His, and all the sons and daughters are His.

This is God's great love.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/16/15


Everything in the Bible points to Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/16/15

is very true. but, not everything in the Bible points to every man.
---aka on 1/16/15


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Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient,

Aservant,God's definition of reprobate discredits Calvin's taking two independent words, slapping them together and coming up with his own definition. MAN CHOSE not to retain God in their knowledge and by that MAN seared his own conscience. MAN by MAN's own choices caused God to give them over to a REPROBATE MIND. This is talking about those before the flood, where in fact every man alive then by his own choices brought God's wrath upon them. Man therefore IS NOT BORN REPROBATE. Romans 1-2 tell us it was MAN who chose to turn away from God, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
---kathr4453 on 1/16/15


Alex, if you're still here, may I ask WHY do you want to experience being slain in the spirit?
---Leon on 1/16/15


The only 99 called Sheep ever in scripture are Israel.
---Trav on 1/15/15

I don't care for your petty theories about the kingdom of Israel. They are just a side bar to me.

How can you not see that God claims all mankind as His own? His Son died for all men, women, and children in the world and has saved them all, if they will simply repent and be born again.

When Malachi and Romans talk about hating Esau, God is discussing the actions required to bring about the Incarnation of Jesus through the people of Israel. It was a choice of one man verses the other and God chose Jacob and his descendants.

Everything in the Bible points to Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/16/15


Saving the world is not saving all the people in the world. The one sheep was already owned by Him, not a stray.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall saveHISpeople from their sins.

Jesus did not come to save everybody, just those the Father gives Him - Jn 6:44, 65.

---aservanton 1/15/15

Well said aservant and trav
---aka on 1/16/15


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And reprobate DOES NOT MEAN PREDESTINED TO HELL.

Your very next post says . . .

All, please google : reprobate for a definition. Guess what...it say in CALVINISM, it means predestined to hell.

Another using a Calvin dictionary


---kathr4453
You are contradicting yourself.

Did Calvin write the word "reprobate" in the Bible, or did God? 2 Tim 3:16

Did Calvin write the word "predestined" in the Bible, or did God? Eph 1:5

Did Calvin create the vessels (people) that God designed to be destroyed? Rom 9:22
---aservant on 1/16/15


Some sinners NEVER have a chance to be saved.
---aservant on 1/14/15

You disagree with the logos of God Himself, Jesus, on this matter.

. . . Jesus himself came to save it . . . the love that His Father has for all mankind . . . The Father would leave the ninety-nine and search for the one.


Saving the world is not saving all the people in the world. The one sheep was already owned by Him, not a stray.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save HIS people from their sins.

Jesus did not come to save everybody, just those the Father gives Him - Jn 6:44, 65.
---aservant on 1/15/15


Aservant, this is a public blog site, where CN has opened it's threads to ANYONE, man or woman, saved or unsaved, to discuss and share the Gospel, using scripture to back up. It is arrogant of you to determine who can and can't discuss here, seeing CN has not forbidden ANYONE or doctrines they themselves may not endorse. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. And all IN Christ are FREE to speak no matter where we go, or who we encounter.

Now I asked you to back up your insistence of a modern day prophet who's prophecy hit 100% accuracy. So please answer the question and stop changing the subject. You won't answer because you cannot name one name. Many have played your game here and will call you out on it.
---kathr4453 on 1/15/15


I must jump in here.
You disagree with the logos of God Himself, Jesus, on this matter.---Mark_Eaton on 1/15/15

You remind me of me, and most of this generation. We were taught to eat the icing and ignore the cake. You go against GOD, Christ and all the Prophets. Who never proclaim what you do. GOD says he hates Esau and loves Jacob. John 3:16 says he loves the Kosmos/world. Also he says he doesn't pray for the world. But those given to him ...Joh_17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine.
The only 99 called Sheep ever in scripture are Israel. You are welcome to your own theory's but, you are not welcome to make up your own unsupported facts.
---Trav on 1/15/15


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And just to let you know, many women come on here using a generic name like yourself or a man's name. Lisa changed hers to MarkV years ago. There is no way you can prove you are a man. And just an FYI, in Hebrew, kath...means to scribe, write etc. So please be careful and prayerful before attacking someone's gender. You made the mistake of falling into Trav hatefulness. Lay hands on no man suddenly. Your pride is hurt because I brought up scripture points you don't like. Any time you make it personal and attack the person, you lose the battle. The flesh attacks and makes personal. The spirit only is concerned with scriptural truth.

My questions to you are STRICTLY SPIRITUAL. I don't care if you're a polar bear.
---kathr453 on 1/15/15


chosen - Mat 22:14, Mar 13:20, Joh 6:70
elect - Mat 24:31, Mar 13:20, Luk 18:7
called - Mat 20:61, Mk 6:7, Rom 1:6.
Jn 6:65
---aservant on 1/15/15

...some selected of 119 "chosen" verses in the OT.
Deu_7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Psa_135:4 For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
Jer_33:24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
---Trav on 1/15/15


aservant, did you think you were actually in a church here?

---kathr4453
Didn't you realize you were talking to the Church, to seekers?

The Christian "church" is not a building or a place, but the body of believers is the Spiritual Church - 1Cor 3:16, 1Cor 6:19, 2Cor 6:16, Eph 2:20-22, 1Pt 2:5

ChristiaNet averages 48,621 daily page views. Many are Christians and seekers of Christ. They must be taught the foundational Truth of Scripture so the Holy Spirit can continue to teach them away from these pages. So we are not IN a church, but the Christians who visit daily ARE the Church of thousands.
---aservant on 1/15/15


Some sinners NEVER have a chance to be saved.
---aservant on 1/14/15

I must jump in here.

You disagree with the logos of God Himself, Jesus, on this matter.

Jesus tells in John 3 that His Father SO loved the world that Jesus himself came to save it. Jesus tells us in Luke 15 by three different stories of the love that His Father has for all mankind. So great it is, that The Father would leave the ninety-nine and search for the one.

Jesus tells us in Matt. 11 that only HE (Jesus) knows the Father.

Therefore seeing what Jesus has told us of His Father's great love for all mankind, I think you have misunderstood the Scriptures you quoted. The Father did make a way for all mankind, it was Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/15/15


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Women ...are not to teach, with 2 exceptions: teach your children, older women teach the younger women their duties - Titus 2:3-5
---aservant on 1/14/15

What I've learned from her rebelliousness. We see at some point that her present work here, presents amazing scriptural opportunity's to respond with truth. Does GOD work here? Most certainly. I've been affected/reflected by and over many scripture posts. I've scripturally rebuked as you. Same results.
We all(can)learn from our mistakes, reflecting. If we reflect and repent.

Rom_9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
---Trav on 1/15/15


Anyone who teaches the false 10th house, as does Trav, insisting his literal blood DNA is a direct line to The Ephraimites,...
...
---kathr4453 on 1/14/15

Kathrine are you a man?
Having only pointed/posted scriptures pointing to Israel thats rarely discussed. You make assumptions, accusations that I've never claimed. I cannot claim heritage, other than Scottish/Irish. I could hope but, am content in GOD's righteousness. GOD placed a hedge, Hos_2:6 Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths.
Like a Sheep dog, I search for what GOD's son was searching for. Sheep. Lambs.
Matt 10:6/15:24/Jhn10:2-27/21:16-17. I know their marks of heart and mind.
---Trav on 1/15/15


Oh dear another Calvinist here, or else Markv is back more confused than ever. And a WOF charismatic legalistic Calvinist at that? Strange bedfellows here.

aservant, believe what false doctrine you like. Your mind is made up and only by the Grace of God will you ever learn to rightly divide the word of truth.

Good day!
---kathr4453 on 1/15/15


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Scripture uses these terms:
chosen - Mat 22:14, Mar 13:20, Joh 6:70
elect - Mat 24:31, Mar 13:20, Luk 18:7
called - Mat 20:61, Mk 6:7, Rom 1:6.

Only God creates the salvation relationship.

Jn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 6:65 . . . no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Humans are taught incorrectly that they can choose God. These Scriptures show ALL saved humans are selected by God and have no capability to initiate their salvation. The Father gives His choices to Jesus to be saved.
---aservant on 1/15/15


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I must share that even knowing what the future holds,to some degree,by Spiritual enlightenment by God does not a Prophet make. God began showing me things which would happen in the future while I was still young but after I gave my life to him at an old fashioned wooden altar when I was eleven. I dreamed about being engaged to a blond headed boy,it also showed what a dark haired man would say to me and what we were doing and I would marry him,it happened like I dreamed for both. My Mom had feelings and know to start praying,one day that happened and she was troubled and praying all afternoon and my teenage son was hit head on by another car and it totaled his pickup and he wasn't hurt. God speaks to people in different ways. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/15/15


For those who believe as aservant, how can you be absolutely sure YOU were not predestined to be a reprobate? Sure you can pretend to walk the walk, talk the talk, and still be predestined to hell, before you were ever born. No predestined reprobate will ever admit they are.

And reprobate DOES NOT MEAN PREDESTINED TO HELL.

Just another who redefines words to fit their own doctrine.
---kathr453 on 1/15/15


All, please google : reprobate for a definition. Guess what...it say in CALVINISM, it means predestined to hell.

So there ya go. Another using a Calvin dictionary, who we all know has their own definitions of words to fit their false doctrine.

Gotcha aservant.
---kath4453 on 1/15/15


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From your Saved If Don't Understand post:

All SINNERS are offered salvation and qualify for salvation.
---kathr4453 on 1/14/15


Again, you speak as an authority, and you are absolutely incorrect.
Some sinners NEVER have a chance to be saved. These Scriptures use the word "reprobate": Jer 6:30, Rom 1:28, 2Tim 3:8, Tit 1:16.

The word 'reprobate' means "predestined to damnation and Hell: one who is rejected of God and without hope of salvation, condemned and abandoned to eternal damnation."

Other men were created to be judged and punished. Hab 1:12

Other men were created to be ORDAINED to Hell. Jd 1:4
---aservant on 1/14/15


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aservant, did you think you were actually in a church here?

Anyway, Who do you believe is a prophet today, who made a prophecy that came to pass 100%, right down to every tiny detail? Give names dates and details so we can all see who and what you are trying to promote here, rather than trying to change the subject by sending up some smoke screen you think you can hide behind.
---kathr4453 on 1/15/15


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the preaching of the cross, which ALL the Body is responsible for, man and woman, insult and attach the messenge
---kathr4453


Produce the Scripture that commands women to preach. We'll wait.
Produce the Scripture that commands the body to preach. We'll wait.

Jesus sent men to preach.

Women ARE to testify what Jesus has done for them. Women ARE to engage in Spiritual warfare (prayer against Satan, devils and demons). But they are not to teach, with 2 exceptions: teach your children, older women are to teach the younger women their duties - Titus 2:3-5
---aservant on 1/14/15


When we as Christians want to prove something we need to show it from Scripture.
Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/14/15

I affirmed what was said. That this person's error trying to teach is in scripture. Verified. If your perception it's an attack then I'll deal with your perception in future so not to offend. As is possible.
Prayer is a recourse suggested. Notable thing...no name was mentioned and you used no scripture yourself to rebuke me??
"Peculiar)Tit 2:14 ...redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Deu_14:2 ... chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself,...
Psa_135:4 ...Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
---Trav on 1/14/15


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---kathr4453
You are doing the insulting:
- You most probably will end up worshiping the beast,
- you are too easily persuaded by lying signs and wonders not of God
.

But insults are to be expected from you. Lies and accusations are from Satan, not Jesus.

I am operating in my calling: to point to my Master, to advance His Truth, His Word for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Christians are expected to walk the walk. I am exposing your non-Scriptural behavior: non-called instruction, accusing, attacking, disrespect, blind to truth, all counter to someone inferring they are an "authority" in Scriptural Truth.
---aservant on 1/14/15


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There are some very intelligent wise women here that have brought meat to the table, in thought, scripture and the study of Hebrew. Not as teachers but, observers . . .

I'm not addressing them. Only those women who 'instruct' from their own conceit, who read the truth and are unable to comprehend it as truth, and who personally attack and accuse God's children.

In one case, of 2200 posted words, less than 200 (>1%) of her words refer to Scripture. God's children promote His doctrine and references. Her faith is in her own words, in her own understanding, not in the Word.

Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides . . .

Mat 23:16 A curse is on you, blind guides . . . (BBE)
---aservant on 1/14/15


Trav Kathyr is correct. Instead of trying to prove her or him wrong. You attack.

While in the Military that is a good strategy occasionally. When we as Christians want to prove something we need to show it from Scripture.

I believe that a person can be so overwhelmed by the power of GOD they swoon. I do not look for it and do not believe the Charismatic movement follow the Bible. If they did they would realize tongues is not gibberish. But the ability to speak other languages.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/14/15


And who said I was a woman? It is so funny that those who hate the preaching of the cross, which ALL the Body is responsible for, man and woman, insult and attach the messenger. These False teachers never rejoice with the truth.

Anyone who teaches the false 10th house, two house doctrine as does Trav, insisting his literal blood DNA is a direct line to The Ephraimites, securing his salvation and NOT Jesus death and resurrection and our faith in His finished work alone can use scripture to CURSE another all he wants, proving by his own words and actions he is the contentious one here.

Give him the right hand of fellowship aservant. We all want to see what side of the fence you abide.
---kathr4453 on 1/14/15


Be wary of women who frankly disobey God (the Author of all Scripture - 2Tim 3:16) by insisting on speaking as teachers to explain Scripture, instead of remaining silent (i.e., as teachers) as God commanded.
---aservant on 1/13/15

This one has no regard for any scripture witnessing scripture. Just a lesson for others. Lonely, bitter, contentious and brawling. Prayer...the only solution.
There are some very intelligent wise women here that have brought meat to the table, in thought, scripture and the study of Hebrew. Not as teachers but, observers, pointers and unifiers. Special wisdom, special searchers with unique gifts.

Pro_27:15 A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.
---Trav on 1/14/15


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Leon I'm sorry,evidently I didn't make myself clear,I didn't give that verse to try to prove that was "slain". I merely thought there was a possibility that old timers somewhere down the line read that verse and related it to what they were seeing happen then. I'm not trying to prove falling out under the power of God is real and in fact the Holy Ghost,if a person doesn't believe it then that is between them and God not them and me. Cluny I would say the same to you that's between you and God,but remember one thing there are fakes and I would be the first one to say it plus there're put on people who try very hard to have the experience instead of putting God in charge. God Bless you both.
---Darlene_1 on 1/14/15


aka, absolutely. Speaking something does not result in making something happen. That is the problem with WOF charismatics. They believe they have the power to command God to jump and obey them at their command, at their timing.

Aservant, in your beliefs, you are leaving yourself wide open to gullibly believe any wind of this or that coming your way. You most probably will end up worshiping the beast, because you are too easily persuaded by lying signs and wonders not of God. Why? Because you believe there is yet something new and different to be spoken by some latter day prophet, sending you off the MAIN ROAD, down some lonely dirt road. Many have shipwrecked because they have no compass. THY WORD IS A LIGHT UNTO MY PATH.
---kathr4453 on 1/14/15


When I think of all the lives of professing Christians who have been ruined or destroyed by false prophets it makes me cringe. Jim Jones comes to mind as one. And then I wonder, how, if these people were grounded in scripture would they fall for such lies. Problem...they weren't grounded by the WORD of GOD. And all these folks selling everything and hiding in the hills for some rapture that never came. YET, God has allowed such things I believe as WARNINGS to us not to believe what scripture has already warned us about. YET we see gullible people even today STILL falling for these deceptions in spite of the WARNINGS. Even being slain in the spirit is NOT in scripture. Was NEVER practiced, until the early 1900.
---kathr453 on 1/14/15


PropheSy (speaking >verb) results in propheCy (fulfillment >noun). Aservant

Usually false prophecy.

The prophecy is not dictated by the prophet. It already exists despite the prophet. E.g. jonah
---aka on 1/13/15


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Actually, kathr, "propheSY" is the verb and "propheCy" is the noun.

And if you had the mind of Christ, you would believe exactly the same things I do.



PropheSy (speaking >verb) results in propheCy (fulfillment >noun).

Pride / disobedience / unteachable is not the mind of Christ.
---aservant on 1/13/15


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Be wary of women who frankly disobey God (the Author of all Scripture - 2Tim 3:16) by insisting on speaking as teachers to explain Scripture, instead of remaining silent (i.e., as teachers) as God commanded. If these women are not serving God in their obedience, then they are serving the cause of evil in their disobedience.

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
---aservant on 1/13/15


kathr, your head is an entity you call "christ".

Mine is the REAL Jesus Christ!

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/13/15


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1Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Tim 2:12 I don't allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. Instead, she should be quiet.
1Tim 2:13 After all, Adam was formed first, then Eve.
1Tim 2:14 Besides that, Adam was not deceived. It was the woman who was deceived and sinned.

There are "well meaning" women who speak as authorities and consistently challenge others re the Word of God. Yet, by speaking as one who accurately perceives God's Word, they prove their understanding to be faulty. The Scripture above is very hard to MISUNDERSTAND. If women who espouse an understanding of the Word really do understand, then they are purposely disobeying the command of God.
---aservant on 1/13/15


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Cluny, I do not believe in the orthodox doctrine, so NO, I do not believe as you do. My HEAD is Christ. YOUR head is your Pope or whatever. I do not believe I need to do the works of the Orthodox, or submit to your sacraments or any such thing. And those who are IN Chtist would agree. You do not believe in eternal security...I do. And I also believe each and every believer can go directly to Jesus Christ and not any go between. I do not believe crackers turn into Jesus flesh. So let's be clear, I do not believe as you do.
---kathr4453 on 1/13/15


cluny:
Actually, kathr, "propheSY" is the verb and "propheCy" is the noun.

kathr:
PropheSy, - reiterate [propheCy] (verb)

propheCy - something foretold

what's the issue, cluny?

cluny: And if you had the mind of Christ, you would believe exactly the same things I do.

that statement can only be true if "Christ" is a recognized constant between everybody. obviously, the meaning of the word Christ around here is plethoric.
---aka on 1/13/15


Actually, kathr, "propheSY" is the verb and "propheCy" is the noun.

And if you had the mind of Christ, you would believe exactly the same things I do.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/13/15


Aka, The Lord showed me that years ago. Something so vitally important, protecting his Body from all false teachers. It's not common man vs pulpit either. Why, because each and every one who belongs to Christ has the mind of Christ. Even if a common man claimed something he said God TOLD him alone, but no other member of His Body, would go against the very nature of Christ in you. In the Body, no man is exalted above any other as having special knowledge of anything. Jesus doesn't work that way within the Body of Christ. We have different Gifts to minister to one another until we all come into the fulness and stature of Christ, who is OUR head where all truth flows down from the head to ALL members of His Body. Those IN CHRIST know this.
---kathr4453 on 1/13/15


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Kathr, that is a very good distinction as far as I can see.
---aka on 1/12/15


One needs to look up the definition of different spellings of words. May sound alike, but not exactly the same definition.

PropheSy, means to reiterate what is already spoken in scripture. It is stated in Ephesians 4 as well, as one of the gifts of the spirit.

However PropheCy, with a C is what means to foretell, that is all OT propheCy foretold something that was to happen and is still to happen.

When one understands this then one knows that anything spoken today NEW and DIFFERENT, as we see Joseph Smith did, is not based on truth. That's why the Bereans searched the scripture, that is OT scriptures to see if what Paul was saying was in fact TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 1/12/15


We've seen over and over so many claiming to be a prophet. They tell you what day the rapture will be, etc. And no one has ever been authentic. Jospeh Smith claiming to be a prophet who spoke to Jesus gave you a false gospel.

So, aservant, what protection against false prophets do you have? Mine is the Word of God. If it ain't there, in 2's or 3's to back it up, it's simply a lie.

Making generalizations about our chaotic world even an unsaved person can take a swag at. But ALL propheCY must be 100% accurate. If not, God says they are false prophets.
---kathr453 on 1/12/15


His Word is COMPLETE
This is obvious since Jesus IS the Word.

Therefore there is no NEW Prophesy today.
You are in disagreement with the Word of Jesus, the same Word that you infer to respect and understand so completely that you can form concrete, ironclad conclusions.

Act 2:17 . . . your sons and your daughters shall prophesy . . .
Act 2:18 . . . shall prophesy:
Rev 11:3 . . . shall prophesy . . .

God is causing FUTURE prophecy by common people, not by ministers in the office of Prophet.
---aservant on 1/12/15


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There is no human will that God cannot override or steer. In the Bible all human will is subject to the Will of God.

Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Jesus is not suggesting. There are penalties when God is not obeyed.

Rom 6:18
(CEV) Now you . . . are slaves who please God.

(EMTV) . . . enslaved to righteousness.

(ERV) . . . now you are slaves to what is right.

(GNB) You . . . became the slaves of righteousness.

(GW) . . . you were made slaves who do what God approves of.
---aservant on 1/12/15


I'd rather just stick to repentance,salvation, baptism, wisdom, grace, healing by the elders and faith. All else will fade, or be made up as the different pastors need recruits, pension's and a good few acres with a 7 million mansion on a hill !
---Carla on 1/12/15


aservant, as God's prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Daniel ....all these verses are prophesy for the last days. Those days are yet to come. Yes, the Holy Spirit was UPON OT Prophets, priests and Kings.

TODAY God has spoken to us all through His Son Jesus Christ. His Word is COMPLETE, and He even told us how it will all end. Therefore there is no NEW Prophesy today. Jesus Christ is the Prophet, Priest and King, and no one else TODAY is needed to fill those shoes. All the Apostles including Paul only reiterated what has already been spoken, as they all quote OT, and Jesus Words.

In the OT no one "sought out" God to be slain, pushed down, put to sleep or what ever you want to call it.
---kathr4453 on 1/11/15


The Lord puts people to sleep . . .

Isa 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes . . .

Jer 51:39 In their heat I will make their feasts, and I will make them drunken . . . and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake . . .
Jer 51:57 I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep . . .

Dan 8:18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
Dan 10:9 Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.
---aservant on 1/10/15


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If one is Born Again, the Holy Spirit lives IN you. There is no reason a Born Again spirit filled Christian needs to be overpowered by the Holy Spirit ON them, knocking them over and sending them into a trance. Nor do you see any such activity in the book of acts. I believe the only thing we read is someone saying...BE FILLED with the Holy Spirit. Even when Peter went to Cornelius's home, we read no such experience of any of them falling down.

People who are destitute of the Holy Spirit IN them seek to have their old flesh nature aroused by such experiences called the lust of the flesh. And we see so many in this movement totally overtaken by sexual immorality.
---kathr4453 on 1/11/15


Darlene: I must respectfully disagree. My understanding is that John, being stricken with awe, fearfully fell prostrate at his feet & chose to lay there like he was dead (motionless). Scripture doesn't indicate he was physically touched or pushed to the ground like I've seen so many people done who were, in a coma-like state, allegedly slain in the spirit. To the best of my understanding that doesn't fit John's experience nor square with the whole of Scripture teaching regardless of people practicing it in church-houses. Sorry, I don't buy that! :) (Proverbs 23:23)
---Leon on 1/10/15


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The REAL God doesn't override our free will.

Below are arguments against 'freewill'.
- They are the 10 Commandments, not 10 suggestions.
- Paul was a "prisoner" of Jesus Christ. Eph 3:1
- "my yoke" is a coupling indicative of servitude or slavery. Mt 11:29
- Jeremiah was designated a prophet before he was born. Jer 1:5
- Each of the 17 Bible references to freewill (Lev - Psalms) relate to offerings, not behavior.
---aservant on 1/10/15


\\Can people's puny power and body structure stand with the Power of God pouring over them,\\

But God doesn't push people over.

1 Corinthians 12 or 14 says, "The Spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophets."

The REAL God doesn't override our free will.

I've seen people "slain in the spirit" who are staunch Trinitarians.

I've seen others "slain in the spirit" who deny that the Holy Spirit is true God.

They cannot both be right. (But both can be wrong.) Obviously, the Holy Spirit is not active in at least one case.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan.
---Cluny on 1/10/15


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Glenn, sorry. dry humor does not translate well on the internet. As a kid, being dragged to meetings of 'charisma' and not witnessing fruitful behavior after and no bible to support, I am confident that those slain in the spirit are deceived or are deceiving.

This goes for any gift also. This the work of the spirit and it is for spiritual purposes. We have no idea they are coming, no idea how long it is given, and we cannot 'develop' them. They are gifts. When someone can sing very well, we say they are born with a gift. Actually, they are born with a talent that is usually permanent and can be developed.

The only 'evidence' for is fruit of the Spirit and that is witnessed through observation of others and not self proclaimed.
---aka on 1/10/15


Alex: Please explain your question further. What do you believe concerning this phenomenon? From what I've seen in Charismatic meetings, very few people fall down under the impetus of the Holy Spirit - the rest are falling either due to a carnal response, or due to a demonic manifestation. Any demonstration from God, would have to meet the Biblical test, and the person should show some positive Godly change(s) due to the experience. 1Corinthians chapters 2,12,13,14, 1Thessalonians 5:16-23, James 3:17-18, 1John4:1.
---Glenn on 1/10/15


Leon Perhaps this may have been where the Idea of being"slain"in the Spirit started. Revelations 1:17 When I saw Him I fell at His feet as though dead.-. John when he saw the one dressed as the Son of Man. The people I was around growing up called it "falling out under the power" it is the power of God they were speaking of. Can people's puny power and body structure stand with the Power of God pouring over them,I don't think so. I have had the experience myself and I am one of the most careful about all things people say relating to God. I have to get the witness from God/Holy Ghost that it indeed is God and I have no doubt it is of God. God gives us the ability to know the true from the false.God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/10/15


"Slain in the Spirit" can mean how the Holy Spirit cancels out however you are into yourself and has you experiencing how you can be fully in God's love.

Paul possibly was talking about a man who experienced this > 2 Corinthians 12:1-4. But if God does something like this with you, He will be creative with you, not only having you copy-cat someone else. So, simply submit to our Father for all He pleases to do with you (c:

You can learn to always walk in His peace which is Heaven's own peace so your self is "slain" and instead you are alive in Jesus >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body, and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)
---com7fy8 on 1/9/15


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ask seven sons of one Sceva about being slayed in the spirit.
---aka on 1/9/15


I can find nothing in the Bible that says God the Holy Spirit slays anyone who is born again. Instead the Bible says the Holy Spirit quickens (revives, makes alive) the dead spirit of repentant sinners (born again believers). So, being slain in the spirit isn't from God, but of the devil whose agenda is to steal, KILL (SLAY) & destroy.
---Leon on 1/8/15


Being slain in the spirit is a fond thing, vainly invented, founded upon no warrant of scripture, but rather repugnant to the Word of God.

Remember the little lunatic in the Gospels? He was always being "slain in the spirit," too. Sometimes he would fall into the fire, and sometimes into the water.

But the spirit in all these cases was NOT the Holy One.

If you are looking for mystical experiences, the Devil will provide them aplenty for you. It's called prelest, or spiritual delusion.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan.
---Cluny on 1/8/15


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