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Shootings In Paris

Obama said that the shootings in Paris in the name of mahometanism were acts of terrorism.

Obama said the shooting rampage of Maj. Nadal Hassan in the name of mahometanism was mere workplace violence.

Why? How are they different?

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Thanks for your explanation Darlene. I too understand where you're coming from. :) God bless!!!
---Leon on 1/27/15


The difference is quite simple, really. If the Ft. Hood shooting was labeled as terrorism, then that would mean that that Islamic radicalism is a threat even here in the U.S., a fact which Obama has tried desperately to down play, as naturally it would reflect badly on Obama as our president. But if there is terrorism in Europe that doesn't reflect badly on Obama. He might actually think that exposing European terrorism makes him look better, as people might perceive America to be safer than Europe.
---Jed on 1/27/15


Leon I understand where you are coming from now. The reason I feel like I do is because on Ft Hood there is a Golf course,bowling alley,swimming pools,Gym,Thrift Store etc. That means to me there is a lot more than being a soldier on post. Just some personal information our house was close enough to the Post we heard the Trumpet for getting up and then the Gi's yelling like they do at PT and that was before the wake up call was amplified. I grew up with windows rattling from the shooting and bombing that went happened on the reservation during training.I said if the enemy came to bomb us we would think it was on the Army reservation. God Bless Brother
---Darlene_1 on 1/27/15


Thx Darlene for your insights. What I mean about workplace, regarding Fort Hood, is I view the whole fort as a "military workplace". What else would military people be doing on a military installation?

For 26 years, I "worked" on numerous military bases, etc. Military In/Out Processing Centers are very much workplaces for service personnel who process the transitions (Permanent Change of Station) of fellow soldiers.

People of the Islamic persuasion who wear the cultural garb of their religion, IN PEACE, is okay with me. But, "crazy" aptly describes the murderer in Killeen as well as the hostile, religious fanatic/MURDERER Hassan.

God bless Sis! :)
---Leon on 1/25/15


Leon just a bit of information to share which you may already know. The place where the Fort Hood shootings happened actually wasn't a work place to them, it was the Intake building where GI's check out going overseas or coming back,so many could be shot because they were in a waiting room. It was a local situation to me since I live only one town away from Ft Hood,about 20 minutes drive time. Killeen had a shooting too and I knew some of those people or their family,that man was crazy but Maj. Hassan was a dedicated Muslim . Reports said when off Post he wore the Robes of his belief. In my opinion it was terrorism and they should give those GI"s what they deserve just as they do others who suffered terrorism.God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/24/15




Rod: None is so blind as he who chooses not to see reality (the facts of the matter). It's your prerogative to grope in the misleading darkness of personal bias & express your "feelings" as you choose regardless of the understanding (enlightenment) you lack.
---Leon on 1/16/15


Thanks for clarifying that you have a blind trust in Obama.

//I remind you he is the POTUS & "we" aren't! We don't walk in his shoes nor are privvy to private classified intelligence he faces (addresses) that frame his public persona.../
---Rod4Him on 1/16/15


Rod: What do you mean Obama hasn't acknowledged there's jihad in the world? Has he not publicly stated, on numerous occasions, the fact that Islamic extremist are at war with any & everyone they deem to be "infidel unbelievers"? I believe what you're saying is that the POTUS hasn't addressed the current world realities to "your" satisfaction. Just for clarity, may I remind you he is the POTUS & "we" aren't! We don't walk in his shoes nor are privvy to private classified intelligence he faces (addresses) that frame his public persona. Bottomline Rod: Without knowing all the FACTS (INSIGHTS: seeing thru the eyes) it's really impossible & unfair to cast biased dispersions upon the POTUS.
---Leon on 1/15/15


May have been a false flag.
---Anonymous on 1/14/15


//...when you see WITH [via surface subjectivity] instead of THRU [factual objectivity] the eye."//

Excellent point...that's a good reason to challenge ourselves and check to see if we have biases. We all do, but we should objectively do our best to evaluate them. That's one reason I check out these discussions sometimes.

There is a Jihad in the world and that is a fact.
Obama has not acknowledged that fact, nor has a plan to counter it.

BTW, I was defensive for Obama in his foreign policy for a few years until the facts came out that he has no real policy. If he does he hasn't stated it.
---Rod4Him on 1/14/15




Rod: I love poetry & one of my most favorite poets is William Blake: "This lifes dim windows of the soul [eyes], distort the heavens from pole-to-pole, and would have you believe a lie, when you see WITH [via surface subjectivity] instead of THRU [factual objectivity] the eye." Rod, the point is, you can imagine most anything about anybody especially if you're opposed to a person or people.
---Leon on 1/14/15


\\Cluny: Did the POTUS actually say "mere" workplace violence, or is that just your Obama bias on political steroids? \\

He did say it was workplace violence and NOT terrorism, and had nothing to do with mahometanism, though Hassan's card identified himself as a "soldier of allah," and he shouted mahometan slogans as he killed people.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/14/15


//Perhaps so that Hassan would face military court martial, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, where he assuredly faces the death penalty versus his being tried in the Federal Court system...//

When was the last time the Military executed someone? Over 50 years ago.

//Of course, you're entitled to your opinions...//

Thank you...same as you... and your opinions are somehow superior?

Your defensiveness appears to be based on your biased support of Obama and also on not recognizing Islamic radical terrorism.

Yes, my opinion based on observation.
---Rod4Him on 1/14/15


Cluny: Did the POTUS actually say "mere" workplace violence, or is that just your Obama bias on political steroids? Incidentally, based on personal experience, a military installation is most definitely a "workplace". The evil works those murderous morons did in Paris was also categorical workplace violence that lead to the murder of innocent civilians & on duty police officers.
---Leon on 1/13/15


"For some reason Obama seems to be sympathetic to Islam, including radicalists. To Obama there appears to be no difference between the two shootings. They were both criminal acts to him."---Rod4Him on 1/13/15

Rod: Of course, you're entitled to your opinions on what you imagine seems/appears like to you. Also, the homegrown terrorist & pseudo-christian McVeigh, unlike Hassan, wasn't an active duty Major in the U.S. Army. Therefore, different governmental procedures must be followed & yes, all murderous, terrorist acts are commited by CRIMINALS regardless of their religious mindset.
---Leon on 1/13/15


\\Cluny: Perhaps so that Hassan would face military court martial,\\

Military courts martial do inflict the death penalty. This there was homicides of military personel on a military base committed by an officer, of course it would be handled in a court martial.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan.
---Cluny on 1/13/15


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//...Federal Court system where he'd likely face "only" life in prison.//

Wasn't Timothy McVeigh tried in a federal court and executed four years later?

For some reason Obama seems to be sympathetic to Islam, including radicalists. To Obama there appears to be no difference between the two shootings. They were both criminal acts to him.
---Rod4Him on 1/13/15


Cluny: Perhaps so that Hassan would face military court martial, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, where he assuredly faces the death penalty versus his being tried in the Federal Court system where he'd likely face "only" life in prison. No doubt, the POTUS knows Hassan is a homegrown "terrorist" who is no different than the ones in Paris...
---Leon on 1/12/15


I'm not Charlie.
---learner2 on 1/12/15


Je suis Charlie !
---1stcliff on 1/12/15


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The difference?

national borders v. international goals
---aka on 1/12/15


I don't have a clue.
---learner2 on 1/11/15


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