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Are christians (not including pastors and elders of denominational "churches") allowed to baptise others, save others?

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john1944 you say //you are indeed a hardline dispensationalist, Bullinger and you agree on baptism.//
So does our apostle Paul
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
---michael_e on 11/15/15


Cluny:

I said: Jesus mentioned the trinity, yet every single instance of the Apostles baptizing anyone involved "Jesus's name" only

You said: Nowhere do you see "in Jesus's name only" in the NT.

Let me clarify. The apostles did not say "In Jesus's name only", but they DID only SAY the words, "In Jesus's name". In none of the recorded baptisms in Acts, or anywhere else in the New Testament, did anyone actually invoke the formula "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit".
---StrongAxe on 11/15/15


I know this is Catholic tradition, but can you cite any scripture that requires priests, deacons, or pastors, or that any specific formula needs to be followed?---StrongAxe

Not a Catholic tradition, but FOLLOWING JESUS' COMMAND.

Acts 8:36-39
Why would the Eunuch (after being taught by Phillip) point out that he spotted water and ORDERED the Chariot to stop?

Logically, Phillip told him that water had to be used during baptisms.

Out of the mouth of God, Jesus Himself:

Matthew 28:19-20
"..baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to OBSERVE all that I have COMMANDED you,

[you] are the Apostles as in 3 verses above- V16: The eleven DISCIPLES.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/15/15


\\ Jesus mentioned the trinity, yet every single instance of the Apostles baptizing anyone involved "Jesus's name" only \\

Wrong, StrongAxe.

Nowhere do you see "in Jesus's name only" in the NT.

Baptism "in Jesus's name" is baptism as Jesus commanded it, which means Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

This is to be distinguished on the one hand from St. John's baptism and on the other from the Jewish rite of Mikveh.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/15/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: But if not an emergency it should be only the Priests, Deacon or Pastors because it has a formula that needs to be followed.

All 3 names of the Trinity must be said as Jesus said in Matthew 28.

And water used.


I know this is Catholic tradition, but can you cite any scripture that requires priests, deacons, or pastors, or that any specific formula needs to be followed?

Jesus mentioned the trinity, yet every single instance of the Apostles baptizing anyone involved "Jesus's name" only - a fact that is emphasized by oneness Pentecostals.
---StrongAxe on 11/14/15




michael e, you are indeed a hardline dispensationalist, Bullinger and you agree on baptism.
---john1944 on 11/14/15


Physical baptism went the way of physical circumcision.
When the baptism gospel was presented in scripture it was presented for remission of sins.
Paul taught the cross of Christ for forgiveness of sins. Water baptism had been replaced by something greater.
(1 Cor 12:13)
No wonder that there are so many confusions about water baptism when people fail to recognize the special revelation given to Paul from the Lord.
It was first known by Paul that water baptism was not required and was separate from the true forgiveness of sins which is through Christs blood (Eph 1:7).
---michael_e on 11/14/15


\\If baptism saves us, then why did Peter baptize Cornelius and household after they received the Holy Spirit? If baptism saves us, Cornelius should have been baptized first and then received the Holy Spirit. \\

This was something extraordinary. Note carefully that St. Peter did NOT say, "Well, since they've got the Spirit, we're through here and can go on to the next town."

Instead he said, "Can anyone deny water [baptism] to these people since they have received the Holy Spirit the same as we have?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/14/15


First of all, baptism is not required for eternal salvation.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Biblically the word "save" means to deliver. When a believer in Christ is baptized they are delivered from the guilt of not taking up their cross and following Christ. They now have the answer of a good conscience towards God because they submitted to baptism and began their walk with Christ.

A good example of this is the eunuch mentioned in Acts 8. Notice the deliverance he rejoices in after being baptized.
---trey on 11/14/15


Anyone in case of an emergency.

But if not an emergency it should be only the Priests, Deacon or Pastors because it has a formula that needs to be followed.

All 3 names of the Trinity must be said as Jesus said in Matthew 28.

And water used.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/13/15




"Baptism doth now save us." 1 Peter 3:21...Who's right, You or St. Peter and the Bible.
---Cluny on 9/4/15

Seems that Peter changed his mind about salvation somewhere.

If baptism saves us, then why did Peter baptize Cornelius and household after they received the Holy Spirit? If baptism saves us, Cornelius should have been baptized first and then received the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?

Rom 8:9 "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him"
---Mark_Eaton on 11/13/15


\\I believe that anyone who is born-again should be able to baptise another born-again Christian.\\

Where do you find this in THE BIBLE, Rita?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/8/15


Michael, I agree wholeheartedly. No more religious hoops to jump through!
---learner2 on 9/4/15


At one time remission of sins was tied to water baptism.
It was first known by Paul that water baptism wasn't required and was separate from the true forgiveness of sins which is through Christs blood (Eph 1:7 ).
Our apostle, Paul, says: ...one body, one Spirit,... One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM, Eph 4:4-5
Paul isn't ignorant of more than one baptism in Gods history, but there is only one baptism today required for salvation. The baptism by the Spirit in 1 Cor 12:13, Col 2:11-12, Titus 3:4-6 .
Our baptism today requires no effort of our own, but is performed by the operation of God by the Spirit into the body of Christ after we believe. This immersion into Christ identifies us with Christ, his death and his resurrection.
---michael_e on 9/4/15


\\However, baptising them will not save them.\\

"Baptism doth now save us." 1 Peter 3:21.

Who's right, Rita? You or St. Peter andd the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/4/15


I believe that anyone who is born-again should be able to baptise another born-again Christian. This would be more likely to happen in rather unusual circumstances than on a regular basis but I cannot see it ever being wrong. However, baptising them will not save them. The saving should have happened before there being a request to be baptised.
---Rita_H on 9/1/15


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Read 1Peter 1:2


1Pe 1:18,19

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers,
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

This is pointing to the death of Jesus for us. You should read the whole book before asking a question about Peter not thinking Jesus died to save us. You just do not seem to understand what the Old Testament says about the role of the lamb.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/22/15


This is a test.
---Cluny on 1/22/15


Two sticks joined together makes a new creation.

//Peters message, as John the baptists message were the same, both under Law.//

---michael_e on 1/21/15

Pretty much...especially before the death and resurrection, then Peter's was amplified like paul who was decimating jesus' believers at that time.
---aka on 1/21/15


//Who are 'we' supposed to act like?// A new creation,
That Paul was sent to the Gentiles directly (as well as unbelieving Israel), showed the message he taught didn't put Gentiles under covenants of promise which required them to go through Israel to receive blessing.
The prophecy given to Israel would bless both Jews and Gentiles in the earthly kingdom.
The mystery of Christ given to Paul spoke of Gods new creature for heavenly places. By the preaching of the cross salvation, blessing, and inheritance was freely offered to ALL men apart from Israels kingdom, water rites, covenants, and law.
Peters message, as John the baptists message were the same, both under Law.
---michael_e on 1/21/15


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Well, Michael, you do not need to wait for my answer to what is already written...you just have to read.

1 Peter 3:18

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,

Slightly different words to two audiences...same meaning.

Now answer this.

Paul said no longer act like Gentiles...Peter said don't act like the Gentiles do. Who are 'we' supposed to act like?
---aka on 1/21/15


//So, with scripture from the holy spirit you are not only replacing judah, but all of jacob.//
Not at all, the boC didn't replace Israel.
Simply put Peter preached the same message as John the baptist, plus the gift of the Holy Spirit.
As for Ephes 4:17-18, Paul speaking to members of the boC, where there is neither Jew or gentile.(Eph 2)
Still waiting on your answer Where does Peter say Christ died for us?
---michael_e on 1/21/15


It is hard to understand because the message was different. michael_e

So, with scripture from the holy spirit you are not only replacing judah, but all of jacob.

Ephesians 4:17-18

Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.
---aka on 1/21/15


The same reason that the older brother of the prodigal son did.
the father explained the need for grace and provoked to jealousy,...
---aka on 1/20/15

An analogy light came on here. Luke 15:11, Prodigal son is the Nth House parable Brother to Judah.
Judah is understandably jealous but, still a brother.

Noticed there is a preceding parable 3 verses in front of this one.
Luk 15:8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
---Trav on 1/21/15


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//The same reason that the older brother of the prodigal son did.//
It's hard to understand because the message was different.
After their understanding was opened (Luke 24) forty days of teaching, empowerment of the Holy Ghost, Peter didn't preach the cross work as a means of salvation, but a murder charge against Israel.
So he tells them to,
"Repent and be baptized"
Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost doesn't mention free redemption by the grace of God as does Rom 3. Instead he gives them nothing new "repent and be baptized"
John the Baptist gave the same message while they were still ignorant. Mark 1:4
Peter simply adds the promised gift of the Holy Ghost that has been sent from Christ in heaven.
---michael_e on 1/20/15


If Peter and Paul were preaching the same thing why was it hard for Peter to understand?

---michael_e on 1/20/15

The same reason that the older brother of the prodigal son did.

The same reason that the jews did of the Gentiles (ethnos)

the father explained the need for grace and provoked to jealousy, it was a hard thing to understand from their viewpoint.
---aka on 1/20/15


//Read chapter 4...5 chapters before paul.//
Aka my young friend, I read it, he's still trying to prove Christ is who He says He is. Matt 16:16: Acts 8:37 I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
Peter preached salvation and the law, justification by faith in Jesus as the Messiah accompanied by necessary works. (Jam 2:24, 1 John 2:5, Mat 19:27, Heb 10:26) Paul preached salvation apart from the law, justification by faith alone in the cross work of Christ.
(Rom 4:5, Eph 2:8-9, Tit 3:5, 1 Cor 15:1-4)
A few questions for you
Where does Peter say Christ died for us?
If Peter and Paul were preaching the same thing why was it hard for Peter to understand?
---michael_e on 1/20/15


Luke 18:31-34
Matt 28, Mk 16 ACTS 2:38, 3:19 nothing about resurrection. michael_e on 1/19/15

Luke 18...I said after. But if you need to post it again.
Matt 28 and Mark 16 ... ok right after...is that the best you have? I understand. It says at the end of mark 16 that jesus was working with them as he had to with paul after the twelve were already started. Which brings me to acts 2:38. Acts 2:31. Nothing in the one verse in 3:19. Read chapter 4...5 chapters before paul.
---aka on 1/20/15


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How does one ever prove that something didn't happen?
---learner2 on 1/19/15


//Can you show me where AFTER the resurrection, jesus instructed the apostles not to preach resurrection and baptism in the spirit//
He never told them not to preach that belief in the death, burial and resurrection, was necessary for salvation, that was Paul's gospel.
The twelve didn't understand the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ while they were preaching the gospel of the kingdom.
Luke 18:31-34
Matt 28, Mk 16 ACTS 2:38, 3:19 nothing about resurrection
---michael_e on 1/19/15


There were enough ritual baths to do 3000 people in one day?
---learner2 on 1/19/15


The Twelve were sent to baptize repentance and remission in the name of Jesus Christ - michael

Acts 1:4b-5

"You heard from me [Jesus] for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.

So, now, after the resurrection of jesus, the apostles were now baptized by the holy spirit. Can you show me where AFTER the resurrection, jesus instructed the apostles not to preach resurrection and baptism in the spirit?

If there were such instruction, peter went total rogue. Btw...Paul did too by performing water baptism.
---aka on 1/19/15


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\\Christ sent Paul not to baptize but preach forgiveness of sins through Christ crucified (Acts 13:38-39, Acts 26:18).\\

Though he DID baptize some people, including faithful at Corinth and the Philippian jailer and his family.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/15


The Twelve were sent to baptize repentance and remission in the name of Jesus Christ,(Acts 2 & 3, 1 Pet.3:21)
Christ sent Paul not to baptize but preach forgiveness of sins through Christ crucified (Acts 13:38-39, Acts 26:18).
Paul was to minister to Jews also, when he did he became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews" (1 Cor 9:20).
Baptism is necessary for the boC,(1 Cor 12:13, Eph 4:4,5) but it isn't water(
Many still argue over the how, why, and when of water baptism, the one true baptism of the mystery church into Christ is largely neglected.
This one baptism of every believer into Christ is responsible for our identity in Christ, our resurrection, our new ministry, and our inheritance with the Lord.
---michael_e on 1/19/15


//Mikvaout of the Temple, where on Pentecost they wouldn't have attracted that much attention.// cluny

Learner2 is a searcher caught between the Cephas and Baptist...a very hard place indeed.

There is a process to mikvah. It is not a spur of the moment ritual. To perform this instantaneously on 3000 men would surely be a miracle. As far as the privacy, NO unbelievers are allowed, and there were hecklers among them.

Now, what already was there? The holy spirit and fire and the willing. The father neither denies water nor the holy spirit. His denial is of the insincere and the cunning and the naive.
---aka on 1/19/15


\\How and where were they able to baptize those 3000 people in Acts right after Peter's first public proclamation?
---learner2 on 1/18/15\\

They probably used the Mikvaout of the Temple, where on Pentecost they wouldn't have attracted that much attention.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/15


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---learner2
The Bible does not tell us how the 3000 were baptized.
---aservant on 1/18/15


Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Water baptism in public serves as a satisfaction against any denial of Christ before men.
---aservant on 1/18/15


The Church was in Jerusalem which had many sites for ritual water immersion.

So more then 11 disciples were baptizing.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 1/19/15


How and where were they able to baptize those 3000 people in Acts right after Peter's first public proclamation?
---learner2 on 1/18/15


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\\The Ethiopian eunuch wasn't baptized publically.
---learner2 on 1/18/15\\

Neither were the Philippian jailer and his family.

Following the precedent of the Mikveh, where people were immersed IN THE NUDE, baptisms were semi-private events with only the ministers, including later deaconness for women, present.

In any case, they were NEVER done before unbelievers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/18/15


\\Baptism never saved anyone.
---shira4368 on 1/17/15\\

1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us

Who's right? shira or the Bible?

Judge for yourself.

Gory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/18/15


Where in the Bible does it say baptism is a public symbol of repentance? The Ethiopian eunuch wasn't baptized publically.
---learner2 on 1/18/15


Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance . . .

Here in Mat 3, John the Baptist did his work publicly, often baptizing several at once.

Most churches today baptise several people at once. Even when there is just a single baptism, there are usually family witnesses.

Perhaps I should have reworded this: Water baptism is a symbol of repentance which is usually performed in front of witnesses.
---aservant on 1/18/15


Where in the Bible does it say baptism is a public symbol of repentance? The Ethiopian eunuch wasn't baptized publically.
---learner2 on 1/18/15


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- b -
Water baptism is from the earth. Spirit Baptism is from Heaven and is greater in love, in value, in investment, and in pride of His Bride.
---aservant on 1/18/15


- a -
In human marriage, the spouses exchange rings. Usually, the ring given to the wife is larger, more visible, and more valuable. This publicly symbolizes (relative to the ring given to the husband) the husband has greater love, holds in greater value, is making a greater investment, and holds greater pride in his wife.

God doesn't use rings. He uses baptism to symbolize the same things. Water baptism is the Bride's (i.e., each individual in the Spiritual Church) public symbol of marriage to her Husband. Spirit Baptism is Jesus' public symbol of marriage to His Bride.
---aservant on 1/18/15


Water baptism never saved anyone... so it's irrelevant.
---learner2 on 1/17/15


Water baptism publicly symbolizes one's repentance, i.e., their surrender to Jesus as their Lord and Master, and their inention to walk in obedience to Him - Mat 3:11, Lk 3:3

Jesus was baptized. It's hardly irrelevant.
---aservant on 1/18/15


Water baptism never saved anyone... so it's irrelevant.
---learner2 on 1/17/15


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Matthew 3:11 - I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance , But he that cometh after me is mightier than I , whose shoe I am not worthy to bear,he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire,

TWO Baptisms: One water symbolic ( Of what Christ has done ) the other the spirit - ----- > That's the one that Saves ! - That comes from God
---RichardC on 1/17/15


Baptism never saved anyone.
---shira4368 on 1/17/15


WATER baptism does not save. SPIRIT baptism is the proof you have been born again.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
---aservant on 1/17/15


There is only one baptism(Eph 4:5) and no man can perform it.
As Christ became one with us when He died our death at Calvary, we may become one with Him, in faith by acknowledging that death was not His but ours. This is what Paul referred to
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death? (Rom. 6:3).

This isn't water baptism, no one can be baptized into Christ by a physical ceremony. The only way to become one with Him is to accept by faith the fact that He died our death on the cross. And as we acknowledge His death as ours and become one with Him, we become one with each other.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body (I Cor. 12:13).
---michael_e on 1/17/15


Ye must be born again is the only way to salvation. Baptism follows to show the world we are now a child of God. Baptism never saved anyone.
---shira4368 on 1/17/15


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The early Church taught that baptism actually washed away one's sins. When did that change?
---learner2


Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance . . .

Water = ablution (G907), intending to show repentance = a reversal from rebellion to obedience {reformation} (G3341)


1Jn 1:7 . . . the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
---a_servant on 1/16/15


Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me, he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Luke 11:23
He that is not with me is against me: he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/16/15

Sometimes Cluny, you really inspire or humble me. Seriously.
(Yeah maybe a couple of other things too but, don't/won't remember them)

...lets gather and give each other a cool drink of water.

Mar_9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Joh_7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
---Trav on 1/16/15


Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me, and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


Luke 11:23
He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/16/15


Pharisees are people who are proud of their learning. That includes everybody here. We are all terrible that way.
---learner2 on 1/15/15


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And who said I had to give references?
Steveng ...reject association with the Church as the Lord founded it.
---Cluny on 1/14/15

Not giving references you are just talk. Only logical to validate yourself scripturally. You validate Pharisee's.
I reject your form of church and opinion's. We don't require your form of snuffling servitude to a worldly priest. Having Christ as High priest.
If Steven is gathering what you are not looking for or lost...he's not scattering. If he is gathering in the Name of our Lord, he is Scriptural.

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
---Trav on 1/15/15


\\Unorthodox not giving the scriptural location of your Cluny verse that is not a verse. \\

You mean you don't recognize the verse, Trav?

Are ,you THAT unfamiliar with the Bible?

And who said I had to give references? That's your rule, not mine, and I don't have to follow it.

Steveng and his worldly denominational "church" deny any connection with the historic continuing church (howsoever one defines it), and is trying to reinvent it.

Therefore they reject association with the Church as the Lord founded it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/14/15


Mat_12:30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
Luk_11:23 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

When Jesus said this, Judas was still with them.

Joh_10:12 He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.

Despite physical location, scatters refers to the hired hand (by proxy) and wolf...whoever does not gather with Jesus scatters the sheep.

selah
---aka on 1/14/15


Trav--you want scripture? Here's one. "He who does not gather with me scatters."
worldly denominational "church" of Steveng does not gather with Christ.
---Cluny on 1/13/15

Unorthodox not giving the scriptural location of your Cluny verse that is not a verse.
Steveng "gathers", minimum required. Which is two or three.
Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Mat_13:41 ...shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,...
---Trav on 1/14/15


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We do not save anyone. GOD saves through Jesus Christ by Grace alone.

Baptism is symbolic of two things. Dying and being Born again. It is announcing a person is making a pledge to follow Jesus Christ.

A Catholic would not be able to be Baptist. A RCC knows they are saved again each week in the mass. Baptist in generally do not believe that.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/14/15


aka, although I've attended a Baptist church over two decades, I'm still Catholic at heart.
---learner2 on 1/13/15


Cool...the you was generic.
---aka on 1/13/15


aka, just fyi, I attend a Baptist church.
---learner2 on 1/13/15


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Is it true that baptism a nice thing but ultimately has no spiritual effect on the person baptized?

---learner2on 1/13/15

Depends.

In water...yes and no.
In spirit and fire...definitely yes.

---akaon 1/13/15

Meant definitely no. Ha ha

The early Church taught that baptism actually washed away one's sins. When did that change?

---learner2on 1/13/15

When jesus lived, died, and resurrected. Something they don't tell you in catechism. Baptism was then and now for the conscience according to St. Peter.
---aka on 1/13/15


The early Church taught that baptism actually washed away one's sins. When did that change?
---learner2 on 1/13/15


Is it true that baptism a nice thing but ultimately has no spiritual effect on the person baptized?

---learner2on 1/13/15

Depends.

In water...yes and no.
In spirit and fire...definitely yes.
---aka on 1/13/15


\\ for a testimony of what has already taken place in an individual's heart by the grace of GOD\\

And just to whom is this "testimony" given, Tommy1454?

Can you explain, please?

Trav--you want scripture? Here's one. "He who does not gather with me scatters."

The worldly denominational "church" of Steveng does not gather with Christ.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/13/15


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Baptism is not JUST for the sake of following an "ordinance" of any denomination, but, for a testimony of what has already taken place in an individual's heart by the grace of GOD. If you baptized your children at home, without the "public testimony" then you should have handed them washcloth and soap and just let them take their bath.
---Tommy3454 on 1/13/15


Is it true that baptism a nice thing but ultimately has no spiritual effect on the person baptized?
---learner2 on 1/13/15


Yes. My husband & I baptized our 3 boys at home. Only Jesus can save them. the worldly denominations might not accept their baptism, but God knows their hearts. the only time i say its not acceptable is if the person isnt a Christian and not baptized themselves.
---Candice on 1/13/15


The worldly denominational "church" of Steveng does not have valid baptism or ministry.
---Cluny on 1/13/15

Validate or rebuke him with scriptures.
Or be known public and forever as a fraudulent mouth of false accusations.
You've never and cannot validate your touted orthodox with scripture.
Otherwise many here would be converted Clunyisticals.
Put up or shut up.
1Ti_5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
2Ti_4:2 Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
---Trav on 1/13/15


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\\Any Christian may baptize, if necessary.
---learner2 on 1/12\\

But only if in immediate danger of death.

The worldly denominational "church" of Steveng does not have valid baptism or ministry.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/13/15


Steveng: True (born again) believers, who are "called by God" to minister to the body of Christ in that manner, can baptise other believers. Jesus alone saves!
---Leon on 1/13/15


Any Christian may baptize, if necessary.
---learner2 on 1/12/15


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