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God dealt directly with men like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But after a while, he dealt with men using messengers. Why do you think God stopped this one on one contact with man?

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When God has CHOSEN, one must read ALL of scripture to see CHOSEN for what. Israel the NATION was CHOSEN to be God's servants on earth....not CHOSEN for salvation as we see not all Israel believed in Jesus. The 12 were CHOSEN to be His Disciples, yet one of those CHOSEN betrayed Jesus.

The CHURCH was CHOSEN before the foundation of the world...again..for WHAT? You all stop short of the FOR WHAT and just think you were chosen.

The CHURCH today are ALL those who have received Jesus Christ, TO BE CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE. Now when Israel was CHOSEN it was NOT to be conformed to His Image.

In every verse there is something important after the words CHOSEN. Example: CHOSEN, ELECTED to be your president, is for a purpose.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/15


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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied . . . cast out devils . . . done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus is REJECTING MANY who think they are saved, who think they are serving Him. And they WANT to be with Him.
---aservant on 1/25/15


God chose ALL from the foundation of the world.
---shira4368 on 1/25/15


---shira4368 and ---kathr453
Precious Father, I praise and glorify You. Would you please open the understanding of Scripture to ---shira4368 and ---kathr453. They keep disagreeing with what You Authored. They don't seem to understand that all men are on Your "death row". That is why they need to be saved. They don't believe that You do all the choosing re who gets removed from "death row". Many here consistently wrongly divide Your Word. Thank You, Father, in Jesus' Name.
---aservant on 1/25/15


How does one become His? One must be chosen, elected, called by God the Father. Jn 5:44, 65.

The ref should have been Jn 6:44, 65
---aservant on 1/25/15


Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, ---- that blindness IN PART is happened TO ISRAEL until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

However concerning Gentiles God said this:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, NOT GOD!!!!!!!!lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


Acts 26:17-18

17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee ,To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sin----
---kathr4453 on 1/25/15




So as you see RichardC, with these verses I just posted, ALSO SCRIPTURE, explaining WHY GOD blinded Israel.IN PART. Yet we also see in 2nd Corinthians 3, a veil over their eyes in reading MOSES, that is LIFTED IN Christ.

Revelation 3....Buy of me WHAT??? So that you may SEE and HEAR!!!!

If these truths are hidden from your eyes RichardC, aservant and Markv/ Luke, it's because YOU are the ones who are BLIND.

The preaching of the Gospel IS THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION. A power so strong, stronger than Satan, lest YOU give Satan more credit than God.
---kathr453 on 1/25/15


A Rebuke to all Calvinists from Jesus!

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich, and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear, and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
---kath453 on 1/25/15


God sent his Son to die for the whole world. No where does it say God died for a few people. God chose ALL from the foundation of the world. Where do you people come up with some of this stuff. You need to read the whole bible in context with every scripture interacting with each other. You cannot take one verse out of context otherwise it takes many verses with it. God LOVED the whole world. He loved us so much, He made a way for us to be with Him in heaven. God gives us many chances to be saved.
---shira4368 on 1/25/15


---kathr453
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All of this is SCRIPTURE. God is AUTHOR of the Bible. 2Tim 3:16 He knows what He is saying.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save HIS people from their sins.

Jesus came to save ONLY HIS people.

How does one become His? One must be chosen, elected, called by God the Father. Jn 5:44, 65.

Who gave Jesus HIS people? The Father: Jn 17:2,6,9, 11, 12, 24

Jesus prays ONLY for those given to Him, not for anyone else. Jn 17:9

When were all these decisions made? Mt 25:34, Rom 8:29-30, Eph 1:4-5, 11, 1Pt 1:20, Rev 17:8
---aservant on 1/24/15


Karthr - Foreordained,

Romans 11:8 - ( According as it is written, God has given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear till this day,

( Karthr - if God has blinded people : is that not a selection process going on - Gods sovereignty on who he plans to save!

Roman 3:12 - They are all gone out of there way, they are together become unprofitable: there is none that does good, no, not one,

{ All deserve hell }

2 Peter 3:9 - any to perish - If you put this in contexts with 2 Peter 3:8 - it starts out beloved - directed towards believers - , Now I do fine some verses in the bible where All seems to be direct to everybody,



---RichardC on 1/24/15




A servant, please understand the difference between ordained and FOREORDAINED. Yes all sinners who refuse Jesus Christ are ordained to hell. All angels who fell with satan also ordained to hell.

But NO ONE is FOREORDAINED to hell.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/15


Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS Matt 25:41. God never intended for one single person to end up in Hell. It is NOT Gods will that anyone should perish in their sins and go to Hell... The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, but that ALL should come to REPENTANCE 2nd Peter 3:9. It is NOT Gods fault if men and women are stubborn and unwilling to REPENT of their unbelief. Hell was NOT created for human beings but rather for Satan and his horde of demons. We are ALL without excuse for the wrong decisions we make in lifewe CANNOT blame God.
---kathr453 on 1/24/15


- a -
Did Calvin afore prepare:
Rom 9:23 . . . which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Did Calvin appoint to wrath, appoint to salvation:
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Did Calvin before choose one to salvation:
2Th 2:13 . . . God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation . . .

Did Calvin appoint one to disobedience:
1Pt 2:8 (Darby) . . .being disobedient to which also they have been appointed.

(ERV) . . . People stumble . . . This is what God planned to happen to those people.

(GNB) . . . They stumbled . . . such was God's will
---aservant on 1/24/15


- b -
Did Calvin ordain one to be condemned:
Jud_1:4 . . . who were before of old ordained to this condemnation . . .

Can you see that GOD ordains some to be disobedient, some to be condemned?


Why are YOU so impressed with what Calvin writes? Who is Calvin -- next to God?
Psa_8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him . . .


Exo 34:14 . . . for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

The Husband wants His Bride to focus on Him. Paying too much attention to what other men say might be considered adultery by God.

But if you are not part of the Bride, then your attention on others is understandable.

I follow the interpretation of the indwelling Spirit.
---aservant on 1/24/15


Learner, God also desires that none would ever sin. Are you claiming that sin doesnt exist, simply because God desires it to be so?
---Peter_Griffin on 1/24/15


Shall we continue to sin that Grace may abound...GOD FORBID, for don't you know that those who died with Christ DIED TO SIN, and are NOW instruments of Righteousness, as those alive from the dead. The NEW CREATURE created in righteousness and Holiness is not a sinner, but a whole new creature. Just AGAIN a truth ALL Calvinists do not believe. They jumped over some other way, rather than THROUGH THE CROSS, being Born Again, born from Above, NOW given the Spirit of Christ, NOW called a son. These guys think they possessed all this before they were even born, not needing the CROSS at all.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/15


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There are certain Bible passages we can ignore such as God loved the world and God desires everyone to be saved and so forth. They are in the New Testament by mistake. Then we can be true predestined Christians and look down on everybody who isn't like us.
---learner2 on 1/23/15


I think we would do well to listen to what aservant has to say. He may be a true prophet.
---learner2 on 1/23/15


I am a servant, a tool in the hands of the Spirit. As an analogy, I am the screwdriver, He is the Mechanic. The screwdriver only has value in the hands of the Mechanic.

A Prophet is another type of tool.
---aservant on 1/23/15


Samuel - 2 peter 3:9 - If you go back to - 2 Peter 3:8 - It Starts off with Beloved - These verses are direct to True believers ! It seems to point to people that are going to be saved , not the whole world,
---RichardC on 1/23/15


If He hasn't made you righteous, LITERALLY, then you aren't His.
---James_L on 1/22/15


Jehovah is God and RIGHTEOUS JUDGE to all, also Father to those He has chosen.

Consider the example of an actual murderer: For lack of evidence, the judge in court decrees that He is innocent, though he did the commit the murder.

He is actually guilty, but legally innocent. Is he LITERALLY innocent?

synonyms for "literal" = accurate, actual, authentic, true

Sinners are actually guilty, but legally innocent (via Christ's Blood) and imputed to be declared righteous. Are sinners LITERALLY righteous?
---aservant on 1/23/15


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Aservant
"Imputed Righteousness" is Paul's way of saying "Born Again". It happens when a man is born of God, when God lives in the man.

Notice what happens in (1 John 3:9) KJV, when Christ's righteousness is imputed. It says, those born of God "Do Not Sin".
Why can they not sin?
They can not sin, because they have been born of God, God who is Holy.

This is what enabled Jesus to keep the Law of Moses perfectly, and incapable of doing evil.
This is also why Jesus is called the second Adam. Adam was the seed of sinful man, where as Jesus is the seed of righteous man.
---David on 1/24/15


No Calvin did not write the Bible, he interpreted it to mean what you say. I tend to follow the interpretation of John Wesley and others.
But he and you ignore scriptures that contradict your assertions and misuse some you quote.
Yes Ephesians 1:5 says predestine but his will is that all be saved. 2 Peter 3:9
Romans 9:22 does not say GOD made them for destruction. Which is not the same as burning in hell for all eternity, but to be destroyed. But He endures them who have chosen destruction.

2timothy3:16 does not have reprobate. Romans 1:28 those who chose to not follow GOD are given the results of their choice.

Why do you not want to admit that you believe Calvin correctly understood the Bible and made Tulip?
---Samuelbb7 on 1/24/15


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Did Calvin write the word "predestined" in the Bible, or did God? Eph 1:5

Did Calvin create the vessels (people) that God designed to be destroyed? Rom 9:22

Did Calvin write the word "reprobate" in the Bible, or did God? 2 Tim 3:16

Did Calvin turn them over to a "reprobate" mind in the Bible, or did God? Rom 1:28

G96
adokimos
ad-ok'-ee-mos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384, unapproved, that is, rejected, by implication worthless (literally or morally): - castaway, rejected, REPROBATE.

The reprobate will not be saved.
---aservant on 1/23/15


I think we would do well to listen to what aservant has to say. He may be a true prophet.
---learner2 on 1/23/15


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aservent you say the real teacher teaches Calvinism
---Samuelbb7 on 1/23/15


You are lying again. I did NOT say this -- YOU DID.


Mat 1:21 . . . thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save HIS people from their sins. HIS people, not everybody -- "world"

does not mean saving every person in the world -- The UNchosen, UNelected, UNcalled are not saved.
.
---aservant on 1/23/15


Since all men sin they are not innocent or holy. That is why no one can be holy, EXCEPT by imputation. God declares His adopted "innocent and holy" by Devine Decree.
---aservant on 1/23/15

It would seem you're intentionally ignoring what is written in Hebrews, what I posted.

Instead of simply restating your philosophical position, couldn't you just say you don't believe the scriptures?
---James_L on 1/23/15


aservent you say the real teacher teaches Calvinism unless those five points are wrong. Is TULIP wrong?

Now JESUS taught:
John 3:16,17

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.


2Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Do you believe all can come and repent? Or do you believe as Calvin taught only those few called by GOD will be saved?
---Samuelbb7 on 1/23/15


You follow the teaching of Calvin.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/23/15


Your repeating a lie will not turn it into the truth. Ask God who is my Teacher, who I follow.

God does not lie.

Please stop telling lies about me since I have frankly told you that I follow the Real Teacher. Here is what God says:

1Co_2:13 . . . not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth . . .

1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie . . .
---aservant on 1/23/15


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Aservent you may call yourself those titles but you teach and follow Calvinism.

Total Depravity
Unconditional election
limited atonement
Irresistible grace
Perseverance of the saints.

You follow the teaching of Calvin.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/23/15


aservant, you are perfectly correct when you say,

"Since no one can BE righteous, imputed righteousness is all we can get, and even that is God's choice."

No one wants God to have that choice. I don't know what they are afraid of. "Even that is God's choice" is perfectly correct whether a person is a Calvinist or not. They should know and believe it is God's choice. It's in the word of God. They read it, but they refuse to believe it. They say they have a choice, but even when it is written and in front of them, they do not believe.
---Luke on 1/23/15


Aservent. So your are a Calvinist.

No. I am an El Shaddai"ist", a Jesus"ist", and a Holy Spirit"ist". I have provided a plethora of Scripture as foundation for what I have said.

There is utterly no point in 'sitting at the feet' of any fallable man, when you can sit at the feet of God.

Don't waste your time talking to another man about your Spiritual Husband, when your Husband is very willing to lovingly talk to you, and He knows more Truth than any human ever has.
---aservant on 1/23/15


G1342
dikaios
dik'-ah-yos
From G1349, equitable (in character or act), by implication innocent, holy (absolutely or relatively): - just, meet, right (-eous)
.

The definition of 'righteous' in the Greek language of the NT = innocent, holy.

Only Jesus meets these qualifications.

No other human was even born innocent and holy. Once these are lost, the only way humans can regain their innocence and holiness is by a miracle of God.

Since all men sin they are not innocent or holy. That is why no one can be holy, EXCEPT by imputation. God declares His adopted "innocent and holy" by Devine Decree.
---aservant on 1/23/15


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Aservent. So your are a Calvinist.

No. I am an El Shaddai"ist", a Jesus"ist", and a Holy Spirit"ist". I have provided a plethora of Scripture as foundation for what I have said.

There is utterly no point in 'sitting at the feet' of any fallable man, when you can sit at the feet of God.

Don't waste your time talking to another man about your Spiritual Husband, when your Husband is very willing to lovingly talk to you, and He knows more Truth than any human ever has.
---aservant on 1/23/15


aservant, are you yourself chosen, called, elected and sanctified? If so, how do you know that?
---learner2


Yes.

Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
---aservant on 1/22/15


Since no one can BE righteous, imputed righteousness is all we can get....

---aservant on 1/22/15

If He hasn't made you righteous, LITERALLY, then you aren't His.

You need to read Hebrews 9 & 10

The blood of bulls and goats could never make anyone perfect. But by one sacrifice, Jesus forever perfected those who are sanctified.

The blood of animals could never remove sins, but the blood of Christ removes all sin.

Heb 12:22-24
You have come to the holy mountain...to the spirits of the righteous made perfect

You need to study
---James_L on 1/22/15


Please show us the Scripture (in the Gospels) God will save the righteous.-aservant

Aservant
Samuelbb7 gave you a few good verses to answer your question, and you haven't responded yet.
Is this on purpose, or do you believe the word of Christ is secondary to Paul's?

Sometimes what is not said might be important to understanding as what is said, Gen 7:1...."righteous before me in this generation".-Trav on 1/21/15

Trav
Good point brother.

If by saved, you mean born again...no. born means flesh, born again means spirit. --aka

AKA
Interesting perspective, I just don't have time to discuss right now. Have a good day my friend.
---David on 1/23/15


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Please show us the Scripture (in the Gospels) God will save the righteous.

It is important we see the context ...
---aservant on 1/22/15


Mat_13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Isa 60:21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
Isa_26:2 Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.
Isa_51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: ...
Righteous found 225 times in scriptures.
---Trav on 1/23/15


Aservent. So your are a Calvinist. Do you believe in Total Depravity
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints

Please answer Lerner's question.

Do you also believe that humans have no choice in what they do that we are all puppets who only do what GOD makes us do?

Yes there is imputed righteousness. There we agree.

Do you believe in Imparted Righteousness?
---Samuelbb7 on 1/23/15


aservant, are you yourself chosen, called, elected and sanctified? If so, how do you know that?
---learner2 on 1/22/15


Romans 4:22 therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. That is bible.
---shira4368 on 1/22/15


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There is no such thing as IMPUTED to being righteous.

Imputed righteousness is not BEING righteous . . .
---kathr4453



Rom 4:22 . . . it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him,
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, IF WE BELIEVE on him that raised up Jesus . . .


Rom_3:10 As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, no, not one,

Since no one can BE righteous, imputed righteousness is all we can get, and even that is God's choice.
---aservant on 1/22/15


However, the chosen, called, elected, and sactified human is IMPUTED to being righteous. Rom 4:24
---aservant on 1/22/15

There is no such thing as IMPUTED to being righteous.

Imputed righteousness is not BEING righteous. Just as Jesus taking on our sin did not make Him a sinner.

Romans 6 clearly teach how one must surrender themselves to God surrender their members to God as instruments of righteousness. Everything you are or will ever be is because of CHRIST IN YOU. No longer I but Christ in me. We are members of HIS body, not individual little gods.
---kathr4453 on 1/22/15


Now can you see the flaw in the Salvation comes first and Relationship comes second doctrine?
---David on 1/22/15


Where is this "doctrine" shown in the Bible?

Salvation is a gift (Eph 2:8-9) that God decides to bestow upon whom He chooses. A human DOES NOT have to be righteous to receive the GIFT of salvation from God.

However, the chosen, called, elected, and sactified human is IMPUTED to being righteous. Rom 4:24
---aservant on 1/22/15


Why do you think God stopped this one on one contact with man?

According to Warwick, God has not stopped this one on one contact with man!

Warwick is only 'towing the party line' by following in his leaders footsteps (Albert Simpson) who believed if we "hush every other sound, we can hear His [God's] still, small voice".

In a show of self-exultant, self-righteousness, Warwick compares himself with prophets Samuel and Elijah, with whom God did speak to. But obviously for good reason, but never to tell them as Warwick believes "God" has told him to "take from" pagan god Mithra!

Warwick hearing voices in his head... smacks of pentecostal occult demonism.
---David8318 on 1/22/15


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Matthew 25:37

Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Those who are saved are made righteous by JESUS and their love of JESUS and others causes them to live righteous lives.


John 14:23

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/22/15


Why?
Because the Gospels teach us, God will save the righteous. If you claim to be saved, you are claiming to be righteous.

Since God will save the righteous, you need to be righteous, before you are saved, just as Noah was called righteousness before he was saved.
Now can you see the flaw in the Salvation comes first and Relationship comes second doctrine?
---David on 1/22/15


Please show us the Scripture (in the Gospels) God will save the righteous.

Since God says, Rom_3:10 As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, no, not one,

It is important we see the context of the Scripture surrounding "God will save the righteous".
---aservant on 1/22/15


You cannot prove anything to anybody.-aka

AKA
Are you saved?

Now can you see the flaw in the Salvation comes first and Relationship comes second doctrine?

---Davidon 1/22/15

If by saved, you mean born again...no. born means flesh, born again means spirit. Just like I was not born upon conception, I am not born again until fully delivered. during my spiritual gestation, I can die at any time for different reasons. Sower and seed.

My salvation will come if in that day, he sees me and says, it was a tough one but well done. If I hear, I never knew you, then I am not saved.

Now can you see the flaw in relationship with no regard to delivery, and salvation and righteousness is assumed doctrine?
---aka on 1/22/15


You cannot prove anything to anybody.-aka

AKA
Are you saved?
If you claim to be saved, in that very statement, your claiming to be righteousness.

Why?
Because the Gospels teach us, God will save the righteous. And if you claim to be saved, you are claiming to be righteous.

Since God will save the righteous, you need to be righteous, before you are saved, just as Noah was called righteousness before he was saved.
Now can you see the flaw in the Salvation comes first and Relationship comes second doctrine?
---David on 1/22/15


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Aservant
God called Noah righteous in (Genesis 7:1).
---David on 1/21/15

I'll throw something on the table just for thought.
This "righteous" term in Gen 7 was before the Ten Commandments. So there was unwrittn law before the Ten. Noah and others may be the precedents of it.

He is also called "just" and "perfect" in his Generations, Gen 6:9.
Sometimes what is not said might be important to understanding as what is said, Gen 7:1...."righteous before me in this generation".
---Trav on 1/21/15


Aservant
God called Noah righteous in (Genesis 7:1).
---David on 1/21/15



True. So that new seekers or babies in Christ would not interpret that Moses was righteous because he was never sinned, or that he always had exemplary behavior, I pointing out the truth, and verified it in - a - & - b - below with Scripture.

Moses (and all other spirit-filled Christians) are "righteous" because we have been IMPUTED to righteousness, and though we sinned, our sin has not been IMPUTED to us.

God imputed our sin to Jesus, and He imputed Jesus' righteousness to us.
---aservant on 1/21/15


David, I think you assume that I don't not understand your position. I understand what the Bible says, and I have no claim to be called righteous as far as I know. But I will warn you of using the word righteous in such a manner. Jesus defined murder correctly within the law. he also gave another definition. In the end, which do you think he will use? Both..maybe? As far as righteous goes, it is also a double edged sword that should be handled with care and fear. You cannot prove anything to anybody. The lord shows his strength through his people's weakness and not pride. And as i read the holy spirit convicts not you or any that deems themselves righteous. Just state what you believe and thank God for each and every breath you take hereafter.
---aka on 1/21/15


Aservant
God called Noah righteous in (Genesis 7:1).
---David on 1/21/15


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- a -

2Pe_2:5 . . . saved Noah . . . A PREACHER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS . . .

Peter did not say that Noah WAS HIMSELF righteous. He said that he preached righteousness.


Gen_7:5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.

Gen 9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken . . .

Heb_11:7 By faith Noah . . . moved with fear, prepared an ark . . . and became HEIR of the righteousness . . .


Noah always OBEYED God, counted to him as being righteous - Eze 14:14, 20. BUT, Noah did sin: he got drunk, BUT, it was not counted to him as sin - Rom 5:13.

In the OT, when men believed or served God IN FAITH, God IMPUTES him to righteousness.
---aservant on 1/20/15


GOD provides instructions, Men as we know don't like to read instructions...first:
Isa 51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness -Trav


Trav
I agree, and I think many folks may not understand the word righteousness the same as we do. So we must bring them to our understanding of these instructions.

I underscore "our", because until we prove our position, it will remain "our" understanding, not theirs.

AKA
To make my position easier to understand, I have a question for you.
The Bible says God will save the righteous. Do you agree with this statement?
---David on 1/21/15


- b -

No one "becomes" righteous. IOW, no human other than Jesus can be righteous as a result of their own behavior.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
See also Psa_14:1-3, Psa_53:1-3

Even in the NT, we are imputed to righteousness.

Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him,
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, IF WE BELIEVE on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,
---aservant on 1/20/15


David, I get it. I guess as long as words in the bible conform to the understanding of our hopes, thoughts,and dreams....instead of God's will....
---aka on 1/20/15


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AKA
Here's my stance.
Noah was a righteous man before God saved him.

However, Many believe they are saved before they become righteous in the eyes of God.

If this is true, why would Peter, the Lords own disciple, use Noah as his example, an example of a man who was saved, because he was righteous?
---David on 1/20/15


Moses was also related to directly by the LORD.

EXODUS 33:11
and
DEUTERONOMY 34:10
---Gordon on 1/20/15


Trav...was locked out of temp account for 12 hours.password stuff. fname period lname (minus vehicle) at gee male.

David...First, the Father walked with a few men. Then, God walked amongst men in Emmanuel. I am not sure what your stance is, but jesus says that he has to leave in order for the spirit to come. The three are in agreement but have different functions.

The process of God in talks, God in person, and god unseen is a relationship the builds up the revelation of the one true kingdom.
---aka on 1/20/15


Instead of arguing about doctrines,...
Very few find the relationship Noah had with God, because they follow the doctrines of men.
---David on 1/20/15

Good stuff David.
After reading your post some scripture below comes to mind along those lines.
GOD provides instructions, Men as we know don't like to read instructions...first:
Isa 51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
Isa 51:2 Look unto Abraham your father, unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, blessed him, and increased him.
---Trav on 1/20/15


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Trav
The reason I asked the question, was to highlight examples of men who had good relationships with God, and what caused the relationship.

Noah is the greatest example, because God Saved him. Peter even used Noah as an example, of how to be saved.

Instead of arguing about doctrines, men should seek to find the pathway used by these men. Jesus Christ enabled sinful man to walk the same narrow path as Noah walked.

Noah's relationship with God, is an example of one who followed the narrow path. Very few find the relationship Noah had with God, because they follow the doctrines of men.

---David on 1/20/15


...how do they know it's the same language, when there was no one to teach it to them?
---David on 1/18/15

Know what you mean. Base word allows some insight. Crosscheck everything I look hard at, as is possible.
Have noticed and am encouraged that, a GOD that provides a written word will provide witnesses. Man/men cannot hide these witnesses from a searcher. Man has tried and I've found their work. They become a known flagged false witness by their work. Word "gentile", and "world" as two different examples.
Witness clarity for instance would be the "word" peculiar, is found seven times in both testaments. On this, even in current understanding I can lay some rock on.
---Trav on 1/19/15


"peculiar" diametrically different meaning now than it had in the past.-Trav

Trav
Very true, and it's for the above underscored reason I don't put much stock in a modern dictionary, defining a language, which has not been spoken for thousands of years.

True, there is a modern Hebrew language, but if it was not spoken for thousands of years, how do they know it's the same language, when there was no one to teach it to them?
---David on 1/18/15


AKA
Read (Romans 1:20-24), and take special note in verse 20 where Paul starts with, "For from the creation...".

And in verse 24, Paul tells us why God "gave them up".
(Romans 1:24) Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies among themselves.

Also read the God inspired passage of (Romans 3:10-18). Because it being God inspired, can you feel the anger of God, as I do, written into most of Romans chapters 1-3?

Once that first sin was committed, seems as though man has been descending ever since. That was until we received a stumbling block, a block meant to stop that descent.
---David on 1/17/15


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Please, tell me about these illuminating Hebrew words.
---David on 1/16/15

(2nd send, first failed)
Nothing in mind on ur search, is your study...just suggestion, that at some point, searching for a key phrase or word, i find Hebrew clarify's or clears the smoke away. Off hand an example would be the word "peculiar". Found 7 times. 2 in the NT and 5 in the OT. Doubting Thomas necessity for me is...scripture witnessing should will have a leg in both era's. I'm using ESword KJV+ this writing.
"peculiar" diametrically different meaning now than it had in the past.
#770,
seg-ool-law'
... wealth (as closely shut up): - jewel, peculiar (treasure), proper good, special.
---Trav on 1/16/15


Even in Abraham, Isaac and Jacobss time, God did not speak directly to all. They and others were also messengers of a sort.

Speaking of names,

"And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." Ex 6:2,3

NT

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds," Heb 1:1-2

cont
---chria9396 on 1/16/15


And much later, God called Noah by his name. What was the reason for this?
---David on 1/15/15

Interesting and interested, am following your research.
Noah - trav

Also too interested and following...

Assuming your question is regarding OT, I can't help but say what first came to mind. I do not think it was OUR sinfulness but rather it was HIS faithfulness.

Read Hebrews 11...all of it. It includes those people that you referenced. It is because that there is something better coming...unseeable but real as opposed to sin which is blinding and most surreal.
---aka on 1/16/15


Trav
Interesting turn of events, from Adam to Noah. God walked with man, and then we have a man, who walked with God. And Noah, the man who walked with God, was the man he saved.

"Call upon the name of the Lord", meaning Noah initiated the relationship with God, God did not initiate relationship with Noah. And in seeking a relationship with God, Noah had the relationship, God desired to have with Adam, Cain and Able.

"God saw Noah as perfect in his generation." I don't think this means perfect, as Christ was perfect, but the best man in his generation. The perfect seed, from which to create the next generation.

Please, tell me about these illuminating Hebrew words.
---David on 1/16/15


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And much later, God called Noah by his name. What was the reason for this?
---David on 1/15/15

Interesting and interested, am following your research.
Noah was perfect in his generations...to pull something distinctly written for a "possible" building stone. Just holding the stone up for your inspection before the laying of it.
Some hebrew words might shine light along your path...??
Gen_6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
---Trav on 1/15/15


He hasn't stopped altogether, it's just man doesn't listen. Added to that, we have the Bible to guide us.
---wivv on 1/15/15


In (Genesis 3:8), it says in the beginning of man, God walked in the garden of Eden. We also find that God called Adam, Cain and Able, by their name.

This establishes the fact, man didn't have to seek a relationship with God, for God had already established this relationship, with the man he had created.

Then we see in (Genesis 4:26), after Cain killed Able, God stopped calling men by name, and man had to call upon the name of the Lord. In other words, for man to have a relationship with God, Man had to seek that relationship with God.

The only factor I see to cause this, is sin, and the relationship degraded as sin increased. And much later, God called Noah by his name. What was the reason for this?
---David on 1/15/15


Our Father personally communicates by means of His resistance >

"God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble," we have in James 4:6, and in 1 Peter 5:5.

His grace in us is the action of His own love, producing all He means by His word.

So, may be His action speaks louder than any words could tell us.

"I believe Doctor Crouch clearly heard Him . . . the founder of TBN . . . continually over forty years. Sid Roth has guests who talk about what God has told them."

But haven't you had times when God spoke to you?

"Not very often . . . especially when I was going to get a divorce - - I was so determined, but a voice said no and then things got better."
---com7fy8 on 1/14/15


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Well they were also a type of prophet and they were special messengers of GOD.

I do not believe He has quit trying to talk to us. I just do not see many wanting or willing to listen.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/14/15


God probably stopped speaking and communicating directly to man about the same time man stopped listening to Him. Today people are more interested in what their fellow men teach and preach then in the Truth that God has taught thru His prophets and His Son.
---barb on 1/14/15

I looked at this previously. I couldn't improve on your assessment one word.
Blessings on Barb.

Gen_37:16 And he said, I seek my brethren: tell me, I pray thee, where they feed their flocks.
---Trav on 1/14/15


God probably stopped speaking and communicating directly to man about the same time man stopped listening to Him. Today people are more interested in what their fellow men teach and preach then in the Truth that God has taught thru His prophets and His Son.
---barb on 1/14/15


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