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She Speaks In Tongues

My son is a Baptist and he is dating an girl who is apostolic (she speaks in tongues). He is not comfortable around this and she has made it clear that she believes if he doesn't speak in tongues, then they are unequally yolked.

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Trav - a little update. I managed to walk to church yesterday (just a few minutes from my home) for the first time in almost 3 months. The old fashioned pews were rather hard for me but I managed to stay to the end....
---Rita_H on 3/2/15

Rita...special how something a 1/2 a world away can change your day. You made mine.
I followed you in my mind as you made your way to church. Thanks for the picture in my head.
May our GOD continue to Bless you.
Job_29:15 I was eyes to the blind, and feet was I to the lame.
Mat_21:14 And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple, and he healed them.
---Trav on 3/3/15


Trav - a little update. I managed to walk to church yesterday (just a few minutes from my home) for the first time in almost 3 months. The old fashioned pews were rather hard for me but I managed to stay to the end. It was very good to be back. Today I walked for a short while without a stick but had to use it to return home.

God is good and I appreciate the prayers of those who prayed for me and hope that will continue. Still some way to go but I see light at the end of the tunnel now.
---Rita_H on 3/2/15


Trav, thank you very much for your prayers. Today I hope to leave the house on my own with just one stick for a short time. The pain and stiffness are both decreasing somewhat and I am beginning to eat slightly more also. Also I'm hoping to return to church very soon. It's been quite a long time.
---Rita_H on 2/17/15


Sorry I won't be contributing here very often for some time as I have tremendous back pain after an accident in December. It's improving but far to go yet. Every blessing.
---Rita_H on 2/9/15

Rita...just thinking about your back pain.
Sending you a power thought this morning. Make our GOD grant you a speedy recovery and cover any pain with his mercy.
Jas 5:15 the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up, and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Mat_7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
---Trav on 2/13/15


He who speaks tongues edifies himself.

Speaks mysteries with God.

Speaks directly to God.

1st greatest command: God is ONE.
---Jerusalem on 2/13/15




Hi, Debbie (c: It is kind of "hard" for Jesus to be His own Father, "I would say." Jesus is "the Son of God", we have in 1 John 4:15 > it does not say He is the Father, but "the Son of God".

But ones want to look down on others, and so they make up things so they can be different and look down on ones different than they are. "Even minority people are using the oneness thing for discriminating against Christians."

"God is love" (in 1 John 4:8 & 16) > where there is love, there is more than one person (c: And God our Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are family caring and sharing love!!! (c:
---com7fy8 on 2/11/15


StrongAxe first let me say I am so glad to see you back with us,you are missed when you are gone. Thank you for your understanding what I said. It's so true that Jesus wants us to be one in Him. One with Him in Love,Purpose,Actions,and in the Spirit. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 2/11/15


Cluny

I'm saved From my sins, Acts 2 v 38. Which are few peoples, Mat.7 v 14.

The 3 persons godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, willingly ignorant savedkept In their sins, anything goes. John 10 v 1. Yes, yes even those that Are self proclaimed, self taught, self called orthodox, which has no parallel bases with the Word of God what so ever. Altogether which are many peoples, Mat.7 v 13. Are All part of the literal gates of hell & shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God. No matter what you's say about me, other Acts Church peoples, still again the gates of hell shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 2/10/15


Darlene_1:

Exactly. In one sense, they are one, and in another sense they are three. Insisting on one without the other is missing part of the big picture. (but Jesus wants us to be one in him, as he is one with the father, and we aren't Jesus!)
---StrongAxe on 2/10/15


People who believe Trinity or Oneness believe they are are right. It isn't for us to judge one another.The Bible says there are three who agree in heaven the Father,the Word-Jesus,the Holy Ghost/Spirit and these three are one. Now it seems to me if you believe in the Trinity you have to accept these three as one because God's Words says it,likewise if you believe in Oneness you should believe the Trinity because the Word of God says that it is three that make up the One. Now there can't be Jesus only because the Bible makes it clear it is the Father,the Word-Jesus,and the Holy Ghost and these three are one not only one. It appears kinda fruitless to argue about all of that when you don't even know the truth of what you argue. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 2/10/15




Lawrence:

I prefer to make my judgments about what the Bible means, based on what it actually says and doesn't say - rather than to read my own private interpretations into it, which is a very good way to get to the point where one says "it says black, but actually means white".
---StrongAxe on 2/10/15


\\Yes I have Spiritual understanding,\\

As the Lord said, "Because you say, 'I see,' therefore your sin remains."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/10/15


Cluny

Yes I have Spiritual understanding, The Mighty God Is Jesus The Prince of Peace Is He, The Ever Lasting Father The King Eternally. Colo.2 v 9.
I'm Not as scripture says, willingly ignorant as those that Are in commandments doctrines of men, 3 persons godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 which are many Mat.7 v 13 ( I Thank God He saved me from being in the triune godhead deception ), that Are under the influence of 2nd.Cor.11 v 14, trying to steal their way into heaven John 10 v 1. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God, which are few Mat.7 v 14.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 2/10/15


\\I'm sorry that your Spiritually ignorantly Blind & canNot read & understand Spiritually, you with others \\

You don't actually think that YOU have spiritual understanding, do you, Lawrence?

How can you when you don't believe in the real God, but instead in a false mind-made idol you call "jesus". Note the lack of cap.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/9/15


I have been saved since 1953 and I have never spoke in tongues. I have a friend that does and would never judge her. I just believe tongues is a foreign language and I believe that is the explanation of tongues on the day of pentacost. Everyone heard in their own language.
---shira4368 on 2/9/15


S A

I'm sorry that your Spiritually ignorantly Blind & canNot read & understand Spiritually, you with others Being under the influence of 2nd.Cor.11 v 14 deceiving light.
But that's you's choice.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 2/9/15


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Debbie, thank you. My post on 2/8/15 makes clear that I know many people like your son's ex-girlfriend. My opinion is that they are not very nice people, are domineering and their leaders demand absolute obedience. They seem to think that they have the right to interfere in all aspects of another person's life (and marriage at times) and are totally controlling. I'd say that your son has had a miraculous escape from their clutches.

Sorry I won't be contributing here very often for some time as I have tremendous back pain after an accident in December. It's improving but far to go yet. Every blessing.
---Rita_H on 2/9/15


Lawrence:

You said: You can imagine with your Vain imaginations, say all you want against The Acts Church of The Living God. No matter what you say & do, the triune godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 which are many Mat.7 v 13, John 10 v 1 you's trying to get in heaven some other way with commandments doctrines of men, being

Far from MY imaginations, it is YOU who is imaginging things. NONE of these scriptures say anything remotely about trinitarianism. You are reading into the scriptures what is not there. And justificatin by commandments is something totally separate from trinitarianism (and yes, there are some churches like that, but also some Apostolic ones too - e.g. INSISTING you speak in tongues to be saved).
---StrongAxe on 2/9/15


Rita: I'm sorry that my posts haven't been very clear or I've neglected to state certain facts. Some of that is on the space limitations at times. Again, my apologies. My son is a Christian. He is a new believer in Christ (just over 2 years), but attends bible study and is very serious about his faith. She has stated that one MUST speak in tongues or they are not Christians. That is what her church teaches and EVERYONE there does speak in tongues (or their version of such). I hope I made things clearer and thank you again for asking!
---Debbie on 2/8/15


S A

You can imagine with your Vain imaginations, say all you want against The Acts Church of The Living God. No matter what you say & do, the triune godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 which are many Mat.7 v 13, John 10 v 1 you's trying to get in heaven some other way with commandments doctrines of men, being All part of the literal gates of hell shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God. 2nd.Cor.11 v 14 is sure pressing you's to do so. And You's shall not prevail.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 2/9/15


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StrongAxe, let me paraphrase Lawrence's words here for you and others:

"Four legs good two legs bad. Four legs good two legs bad Four legs good two legs bad Four legs good two legs bad."

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/8/15


Lawrence:

You said: Like I said before, the 3 persons godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6

As I keep pointing out (but you seem to ignore it), there is ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION WHATSOEVER in that section of Revelation about "3 person godhead believers". Anything to do with that is something you are totally reading into the text from your own imagination.
---StrongAxe on 2/8/15


Strongaxe I know many such people personally. They know I don't agree with them and I know that they don't see me as a true Christian. That is THEIR choice and God will deal with them.

I have never heard any of those type people give a personal testimony with any substance but I do know people who speak in tongues who have wonderful testimonies to share.

All charismatics are not the same (I am pleased to be able to say).

This girl was wrong to say tongues is essential because she is adding to scripture - something we are warned against doing.

This is the only 'gift of the spirit' which seems to make them want to brag. What is wrong with the other gifts I wonder - why do they not desire those?
---Rita_H on 2/8/15


\\Like I said before, the 3 persons godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 which Are many Matt.7 v 13 Is Bible prophesy.\\

And these verses are talking about those who DENY the Trinity, from Sabellius onwards.

Including you and your church, Lawrence.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/8/15


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S A

I have, straight is the gate & narrow is the way & be but few to find it Matt.7 v 14, The Acts Church of The Living God vision.

Like I said before, the 3 persons godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 which Are many Matt.7 v 13 Is Bible prophesy. It Is Bible prophesy just like the Bible prophesy about gog & magog. Which is ref to Russia, with All the other aspects that pertains to it.
Again no matter what the 3 persons godhead believes in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 say against the Acts Church of The Living God, the literal gates of hell of the 3 persons godhead believers shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 2/8/15


Rita_H:

The problem isn't that God gives some gifts to some, and not to others. The problem is that there are some groups who teach that unless you manifest some particular gift (i.e. speaking in tongues) you aren't even saved, and use that as a litmus test for salvation.
---StrongAxe on 2/7/15


Debbie, you say that your son is a Baptist but do not say that he is a Christian.

They might well not be equally yoked but the fact that his (now) ex-girlfriend speaks in tongues might not be the main reason for that.

All three of you seem to be missing the point that "God gives His gifts to whom 'HE' CHOOSES". God's gifts are not for us to demand or reject or argue over.

It is probably good that they are no longer together though as they would bring each other down.
---Rita_H on 2/7/15


Thank you all so much! My son did end the relationship. His heart is hurting, but he knows he did the right thing. God bless you all and thank you for your wise guidance! It is truly appreciated.
---Debbie on 2/6/15


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\About being "unequally yolked"\\
Is this "unequally yolked"?
"YOKE" is an entirely different word.
---Cluny on 2/5/15

The egg ("yoke"), is on you cluny.
Everyone understood.
---Trav on 2/6/15


Debbie: Anything that divides the Church isn't from God. The enemy of our souls does his absolute evil worst to divide & conquer the Church with "SUBTLE" lies (doctrines) regarding speaking in tongues (ecstatic babble), being slain in the spirit, methods of water baptism, etc.

Regarding your son & his girlfriend, it's clear she's following non-scriptural, unhealthy, unbalanced, legalistic teaching. Should they continue in a relationship & culminate it in marriage, they THEN would be unequally yoked. I'd advise him to end the relationship. A Godly relationship isn't grounded on manipulation, intimidation & domination. Ask Samson! Those are attributes of witchcraft.
---Leon on 2/6/15


\\About being "unequally yolked"\\

Is this where one egg has one yolk, and another has two?

Is this "unequally yolked"?

"YOKE" is an entirely different word.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/5/15


About being "unequally yolked" > I think it is good if you and someone else do not have equal yolks, but our yolks need to have things different from one another, so we have things to offer each other.

In her case, though, this could be a cultic thing, of making up differences so her group can look down on others and reject ones who are not like they are.

A basic trick of a wrong group is they make up some thing no one else has, then say we are the only ones with this and it is so important that you have to join us.

If she is judging by an outward standard of outward tongue speaking, this could be judging by appearance, which Jesus says not to do > John 7:24.
---com7fy8 on 2/5/15


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The Bible does not speak about being "unequaly yoked". It speaks of being "unequally yoked WITH UNBELIEVERS".
---StrongAxe on 2/4/15

Good point. It does say that.

Previous to that it says:

1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

Seldom seen or applied solution to the above would be:

1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church, and let him...
2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
---Trav on 2/5/15


Asking for prayers for my son, please.
---Debbie on 2/4/15

Sounds like the girl needs the prayers more. You son may have been blessed by GOD in this girl breaking it off.
Will surely consider your son as well in thought and otherwise having been a boy once and raising my own.

Nothing quite like a mothers love to appeal for their boys...and girls.
My mothers prayers are the only reason I'm here typing tonight.
---Trav on 2/4/15


Lots of knowledgeable people sharing their understanding and I thank you all! My son and his girlfriend are ending things. She has come out and said that she does not think he is a Christian/believer and that is not truth. She believes the only way you can *prove* you are a believer is to be baptized in the holy spirit and that shows through speaking in tongues. Asking for prayers for my son, please.
---Debbie on 2/4/15


Trinitarian Pentecostals use Jesus's baptismal formula "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost". Oneness Pentecostals use the Apostles' formula "in the name of Jesus", which is why they call themselves Apostolics. These include groups like the UPC and others.

The Bible does not speak about being "unequaly yoked". It speaks of being "unequally yoked WITH UNBELIEVERS". Someone who believes slightly differently is not an unbeliever.

Lawrence:

I hate to sound like a broken record (as you do), but Rev. 17:4-6 makes no mention whatosoever abut trinitarianism.
---StrongAxe on 2/4/15


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I guess I had better jump in here.

As many know, I am a Pentecostal, COG (Cleveland TN) but have always disagreed with our Declaration of Faith where it says "speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit".

I have the gift of glossolalia but seldom use it outside of my private prayer closet. I use it daily, mainly when interceding for others where I have incomplete knowledge. I allow the Holy Spirit to pray through me.

In our church, we rarely use glossolalia in services. I have seen only twice in my life where the gift has been used with interpretation.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/4/15


I'm still torn on the speaking in tongues debate. But one thing I am sure of: if it is real, it is certainly no indication of being more spiritual than others or closer to God than others. When the apostle Paul speaks about the different gifts of the Spirit, he says that tongues is the least of them, with wisdom being the greatest. Also, that certain gifts are for different people. That would indicate that only some people are given the gifts of tongues, while others are given greater gifts.
---Jed on 2/4/15


"Unequally yoked" has to do more with marriage than mere casual social interactions, such as dating.

In this latter sense, we're all "unequally yoked" with someone.

BTW, if Trinitarian Pentecostals speak in tongues, and Oneness (Sabellian modalist) Anti-Trinitarian Pentecostals speak in tongues, is the the same Holy Spirit in both cases?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/4/15


Speaking in tongues is a spiritual matter where often most christians do not understand because they are worldly christians - having the knowledge of God, but denying his power. Speaking in tongues comes directly from the heart, not the mind, to the Holy Spirit. No earthly person would understand, but only the Holy Spirit. If two or more are in the spirit then one can speak tongues and the other can interpret. Most christians don't understand speaking in tongues and they don't understand miracles, or that christians can do miracles greater than Jesus. God's spirit is not limited and works through people who ask/pray.
---Steveng on 2/3/15


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Debbie: The United Pentecostal Church uses the term Apostolic. They are a Unitarian cult that believes one has to be baptized in their Church using the name of Jesus (only) to be saved.
The Apostolic Church is a Trinitarian Church that would seem to be Pentecostal Methodist.
To be unequally yoked means that one of them is a Christian, and one is not. On prima facie, why would your son want to date a young women who seems to treat him with disdain? Deuteronomy 7:3, 22:10, 2Corinthians 6:14-17.
---Glenn on 2/3/15


I have always seen speaking in tongues as a way some people present themselves as closer to God than others. But God is shown in the Bible as plain, clear, open, equal, in his communication with all.
---Geraldine on 2/3/15


I Thank God I'm Not in the Manmade heresy of the trinitarian 3 persons godhead in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 religion which Are many Mat.7 v 13.

Still again, no matter what you Manmade 3 persons heresy godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 say against The Acts Church of The Living God which are few Mat.7 v 14. You's being All part of the literal gates of hell, shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 2/3/15


Throughout all of Jesus' ministry He never mentioned speaking in tongues.
This is another one of Paul's brilliant ideas !
---1stcliff on 2/3/15


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... beliefs seem to be in line -- except for the tongues thing.
---Debbie on 2/3/15

In my youth I've been too a few marathon tongue speaking Churches. There was no interpretation by anyone. I'd call them overcome by "emotionalism". It benefited no one.
Scripture below would be a measuring point for your son.
If interpreted...and it was correct, it would make things clear.
1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course, and let one interpret.
1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church, and let him speak to himself, and to God.
1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
---Trav on 2/3/15


Wow Karen. That is scary stuff. I do know that she questioned my son's Christianity because he doesn't believe in speaking in tongues and I was not happy about that. She wants him to speak to her pastor about it. He has agreed -- but said he is very sure of his beliefs and is only going to ask the pastor how he can discount scripture on this topic. :(
---Debbie on 2/3/15


Debbie....Apostolics also believe that you are not saved unless you speak in tongues and are baptized IN JESUS NAME. They do not believe in the Trinity. Your son is unequally yoked with this woman.
---KarenD on 2/3/15


Thank you for the clarification so far. I only know that her church is an apostolic church and they do speak in tongues (I thought this was only a Pentecostal church thing, but as a new Christian myself, I wasn't sure). The rest of their beliefs seem to be in line -- except for the tongues thing.
---Debbie on 2/3/15


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Cluny is right. Pentecostals speak in tongues.
---Jed on 2/3/15


First of all, glossolalia has been practiced by every primitive religion known, and serves no practical purpose whatever except to add mysticism to to the babbler, since no one speaks "that" language !
At Pentecost the Disciples did not speak foreign languages the miracles was that the listeners "heard" the message in their own tongue!
Read the account carefully !
---1stcliff on 2/3/15


Apostolic doesn't mean speaking in tongues.

It means Anti-trinitarian, specifically Oneness, or Sabellian modalism as this heresy was originally known.

The issue is NOT speaking in tongues, as there are Trinitarian Pentecostals, such as the Assemblies of God.

If they do not agree about the nature of God, there's no way they can ever be more than friends.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/3/15


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