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Barb, I KNOW my Redeemer liveth also. And I have FAITH in Him. I also KNOW the Lord, yet I still have faith.
Abraham was a friend of God. And we see Abraham's FAITH.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/15


Kathr, Adam and Eve were not and are not the only ones to know God. God is known to those to whom the Son reveals Him, Matt 11:27-30. Anyone who knows Jesus has known the Father and seen Him in the Son, John 14:6-7.

You can't prove Hebrews by quoting from the writer of Hebrews. The truth of Hebrews 11 can only be tested for truth by comparison to the Word of God. The word "faith" is not found in the Genesis account in regard to Abel.
---barb on 5/24/15


Barb, the only ones who knew God were Adam and Eve. FAITH began with Abel, and Hebrews 11 proves this. God ONLY works with man through COVENANTS. And Enoch, Abel, Job all had a relationship with God through the everlasting covenant.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/15


Kathryn, Enoch did not need faith. Enoch knew God and walked with Him. Faith is believing in something without facts or evidence. Knowing is believing with facts and evidence.

Same for Job. He says it right there, "I KNOW my redeemer lives and I shall see Him in the last day." He didn't have faith in God. He knew God. When one knows God one does not need faith but needs to be faithful to Him.
---barb on 5/24/15


Hebrews 11:4-5 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. 5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death, and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Like scripture tells us, those before the LAW were also redeemed, long before any Law of Moses or New Covenant. Job said, " I know that my REDEEMER liveth and I shall see Him in the last day. " the LAW OF FAITH was established from the beginning. Faith in the promised redeemer. Genesis 3:15, which is the. EVERLASTING COVENANT.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/15




Abraham was never under the Law of Moses, nor Abel or Job....
Galatians were from NEITHER HOUSE.
Neither were the Corinthians. ...
---kathr4453 on 5/20/15

Abraham, Abel, Job are of Adam. Adam ate of the tree of knowledge of "good and evil".
Gen_2:9...tree of knowledge...br>Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, ....
Gal 4:28 Now we, "brethren", "as Isaac was",....
(Brethren, family which all of Israel are)
Corinthians are are called "brethren" and informed of the "testament covenant" Heb 8:8.
Paul go against Christ's commands? Matt 10:6/15:24. No.
He states:
2Co 4:3, 2Co 13:1 ...two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
---Trav on 5/21/15


Trav, OUR heritage scripture is with Abraham and the Abrahamic Covenant AKA the EVERLASTING COVENANT, made long before God made any covenant with Israel, or Judah. This covenant was in effect with Abel, and is STILL in effect today. Only the Old was done away in the NEW given to Israel. Abraham was never under the Law of Moses, nor was Abel or Job for that matter. We see Gentiles saved before Israel, but you say no Gentile will be saved after Israel? WRONG. The Galatians were from NEITHER HOUSE. Neither were the Corinthians. They were all heathens who worshipped other gods.
---kathr4453 on 5/20/15


Trav
This is what I know.
They never agreed and neither will we.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/20/15

No argument here. Never was. Your argument is with the scriptural witnesses.
Heb 8:8, the covenant and Heb 8:10 covenant and laws in the heart of the House of Israel.
Worth noting that "and Judah" is not mentioned in Heb 8:10 nor Jer 31:33.
Now if Barb is of this House of Israel you don't know enough to argue about what she received.
You and Samuel make no claim you are of the House of Israel...or Judah.

Amazing that you guys even try to teach or preach something that was never stated as your heritage scripture to begin with.
---Trav on 5/20/15


Barb, Samuel, Trav

This is what I know.

James and Paul argued over this very same issue. Acts 21:17-25 records their differences.

James was a moderate Judaizer who felt that Jews should continue to follow the law along with salvation thru Jesus. Paul was a moderate Antinominian who felt that salvation was not of works, but from faith alone.

They never agreed and neither will we. Until we see Jesus, let us agree that salvation only comes thru Jesus and that liberty is the best policy with all other differences.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/20/15


Barb, Hebrews was not written by a follower of Paul, but was written by GOD as all scripture is. It explains OT, going back to OT that can be verified by the OT.
---kathr4453 on 5/20/15




Mark E, I agree with Samuel, we do not know who wrote Hebrews but the theology and the doctrine agree with Paul so I would guess it was written by a follower of his.

Jer 31:34, the people would never have to teach one another again if they had the law written in their minds and hearts. Everyone would have known God and their sins would have been forgiven because sin is transgression of the law. They could have been a light unto the Gentiles. Never happened.

Matt 26:28, the later translations do not have the word "new" covenant because it was not in the original texts. Check it out for yourself. Yes, Jesus' blood was shed for remission of sins...."go and sin no more."

---barb on 5/20/15


the new/renewed covenant is the same covenant, now written in our hearts and minds instead of on tables of stone.
---barb on 5/19/15

Wow. Your doctrine is very wrong.
You miss this important point in Jer31:
Jer31:34 "No more shall every man teach his neighbor....
---Mark_Eaton on 5/19/15

Barb appears to be living what you are failing to see. Barb is not alone. Barb has twenty + prophets for company plus Christ and hand selected apostles.
You point to nothing aligned by prophets or Christ to Israel, relying on Paul.
Strange that you didn't/won't/cannot mention who the Old/New Covenant was too. The House of Israel "and" Judah. Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31. Barb may be one house or the other house.
---Trav on 5/20/15


Some people think Paul wrote Hebrews. Others think he did not. We are not sure.

Yes we are saved apart from our works. Our works are the result of loving GOD and others.

Yes Barb we must have the Testimony of Jesus to be saved.

Mark-eaton the Law cannot condemn those who are walking in Jesus. But a person living in sin is not walking in Jesus.

I do not believe once saved always saved. But I also do not believe that those who teach that are lost. Because many who believe that live for Christ.

But others use it as an excuse to live in sin.

GOD will judge all people. He is the only one who can.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/19/15


Hebrews 10: 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews is fabulous. It is the single book where all cults are exposed. And Barb, it was not written by Paul.

We are justified by His Blood, and sanctified through the body of Jesus Christ. Just another way of saying what Paul taught in Romans 6-8 and Colossians 2 and our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life. We are COMPLETE in Him. This is the righteousness APART FROM THE LAW.
---kathr4453 on 5/19/15


the new/renewed covenant is the same covenant, now written in our hearts and minds instead of on tables of stone.
---barb on 5/19/15

Wow. Your doctrine is very wrong.

You had better read and study Hebrews. It has the best understanding of the new/old covenant.

You miss this important point in Jeremiah 31:

Jer. 31:34 "No more shall every man teach his neighbor...For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.

Matt 26:28 "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins"

Jesus confirms He is the sacrifice of the new covenant which makes the old covenant obsolete (Heb. 8:13).
---Mark_Eaton on 5/19/15


Trav, you make me smile...Paul holding up the ladder, right on.

Mark E, the new/renewed covenant is the same covenant, now written in our hearts and minds instead of on tables of stone. Jer 31:33.

God sent His Son into the world to keep it from perishing from the lack of knowledge. Jesus' words brought light into the world. John 8:12, John 18:37. His Words are spirit and they are life. John 6:63.
---barb on 5/19/15


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Samuel, I suppose the way you put it, the law does condemn the wicked. Paul told us it killed him. And then he wants us to believe that Jesus lives in him, within that corrupt body of his that can't stop serving the law of sin. Really?

According to what Jesus told the rich young ruler, keeping the commandments of God is the Way to eternal life but Jesus doesn't stop there. He also asks the young man to follow Him because the young man can only learn Jesus' testimony (Words) by dropping everything and following Him. The commandments cannot save me unless I also have the testimony of Jesus. Rev 12:17.











---barb on 5/19/15


But if you follow what you just wrote to me. Then you and I would be in total agreement.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/19/15

Perhaps, but there is one more line of teaching that you seem to dismiss. It is that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

God by Jesus has done away with sin and its punishment by the Law for all those who are in Jesus. We will not be judged and condemned by the Law. The Law no longer has any power over us.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/19/15


//We get justified by faith and we get life by grace.//

Mankind has always been justified by faith by God's grace.
---Rod4Him on 5/19/15


Mark E, so why didn't Paul just call forth the eyewitnesses to his conversion?
In the end, he himself said that all Asia had turned away from him.
---barb on 5/18/15

Barb, fundamental things you are bringing up about Paul.
A red flag goes up for me when Paul is the key doctrine discussed.
It is really a weird conversation when Christ's words unified with O.T. Prophets are not central or witnessed in a discussion but, Paul's words are gospel.

Paul, misinterpreted takes the form of another Gospel. Climbing in another way with Paul holding the ladder...they think.
People put many obstacles in front of Christ, Mary, priest's, preachers, saints, Paul, doctrines, logic, books, pamphlet, writing$ of men etc, etc.
---Trav on 5/19/15


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Barb, you just don't get it. EVERYONE TURNED AWAY FROM JESUS TOO, even Peter. It's called the fellowship of His sufferings. It may very well be everyone turned away from Peter at his last moments. Peter just didn't write about it. The greatest test of all is to be able to stand alone. We see even Jeremiah stood alone. Jeremiah kept warning and warning, and no one believed him. And walla, what Jeremiah warned about came to pass.

Don't ever be afraid to stand alone folks. And never let people as Barb try to shame you because you have.
---kathr4453 on 5/19/15


I want to live a godly life because His grace is so good. All the Law can do is point me to Jesus who is grace.

Titus 2:11-12 Mark_Eaton

Amen you have now stated the basics and shown by the verse that our actions are to be inside the law. For breaking the law is sin. So to live Godly leads us to not sin. Sin is breaking the law.

You have correctly stated the purpose of the law because it leads us to Jesus and tells us what is wrong. That is it's job.

We are saved by Grace and want to live in love.

The problem is that many teach in a way that is confusing the issue. But if you follow what you just wrote to me. Then you and I would be in total agreement.

On Christ the Solid Rock I stand.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/19/15


Dear Barb we have so much in agreement. Praise the LORD.

One of the purposes of the law is to tell us we are sinners or condemn us. Why because many people think they are fine. The law proves we are sinners and in need of Grace. So yes it condemns the wicked.

But to the righteous they are love. Which is why Paul also writes: Romans 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

So many are thinking that it is taught that it is a means of salvation. Which is false.

1Timothy 1:8
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully,

2Timothy 2:5
And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/19/15


The Law of God is the covenant between Him and His people. It is a covenant of love....
---barb on 5/18/15

If the Law is love, why did God institute a New Covenant?

Jesus told us that God SO loved the world that He gave His Son to keep the world from perishing. Perishing from what? From the curse of sin and death by the condemnation of the Law.

Hebrews, (I believe was not written by Paul) tells us that something else was needed:

Heb. 7:11 "Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/19/15


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Mark E, so why didn't Paul just call forth the eyewitnesses to his conversion? That might have stopped all the contention and suspicion surrounding him. In the end, he himself said that all Asia had turned away from him. All he had left was Luke. The people back then must have had much more integrity than the ones today.

Paul is the only one who calls the commandments of God a condemnation. The Law of God is the covenant between Him and His people. It is a covenant of love. We do not walk under the commandments of God but we walk in them just as we walk in the Light.
---barb on 5/18/15


So the law for those who love GOD is not hated but loved.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/15/15

Do you understand what the law is? The law is condemnation. We do not get justified by the law. We get justified by faith and we get life by grace.

Grace teaches us how to live godly lives, to live above sin. When I fully realize that God has forgiven all my sins and that God does not want to condemn me, I rejoice. I want to live a godly life because His grace is so good. All the Law can do is point me to Jesus who is grace.

Titus 2:11-12 "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, TEACHING us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/18/15


Jesus does not teach that anywhere.
---barb on 5/15/15

I am sure you know how people denied Paul his Apostleship and how he continually contended for it.

I will pray for you with a prayer of Paul:

Eph 1:18-19 " that the eyes of your understanding being enlightened, that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/18/15


Mark Eaton, I understand what you are saying about Matt 26:41 but I don't believe that Jesus is teaching His disciples to separate their spirit from their bodies. I'm pretty sure He is telling them to strengthen themselves, mind and body, by watching with their eyes and praying in their spirits for the hard times ahead. In John 6:63 Jesus teaches that it is the spirit that quickens, the flesh profits nothing. Without the spirit the body is dead. How does a dead body still sin and suffer temptation?

Paul says no good thing dwells in his body and so he serves the law of God with his mind, and with his flesh, he serves the law of sin. Jesus does not teach that anywhere.
---barb on 5/15/15


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Mark I don't believe once saved always saved. I don't believe in predestination and that humans don't have free will.

I am not a follower of Calvinism but of Arminius and Wesley. As far as doctrine.

Even Swindall who is a Calvinist accepted that the Bible teaches that those who do not live for Jesus and in Love are not true followers of Jesus.

But as one Calvinist stated they can be a hired murderer for a living and still go to heaven.

A true Christian Calvinist once stated that those who love GOD hate sin.

So the law for those who love GOD is not hated but loved.

1John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/15/15


Jesus never taught separation of body and spirit. If your body sins so does your spirit.
---barb on 5/14/15

Geesh.

You seem to be looking for any way possible to disregard the teachings of Paul. Even putting words in Jesus mouth. Perhaps you should read the entire Word and not just your favorite passages.

Jesus knew our flesh was the weakness in our lives, look at His statement here:

Matt 26:41 "Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.".
---Mark_Eaton on 5/15/15


We are not to sin. But if we do we can be forgiven. !John 2.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/14/15

Can, will, or have been?

Which is it?

This is the difference between you and I. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have been forgiven my sins, past, present and future and there is no condemnation for me. Romans 8:1 is true in my life.

But if you "can" be forgiven then you also "may not" be forgiven, because it seems you think forgiveness is conditional. Therefore, when you are not forgiven, you are under condemnation from the law. Romans 8:1 is not true in your life.

This is why the ministry of the law is over. God has truly forgiven us by grace.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/15/15


Mark Eaton, I would also like to answer your question in regard to Romans 8:1. "And this is the condemnation that Light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil." John 3:17-21.

Jesus never taught separation of body and spirit. If your body sins so does your spirit. Jesus said if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out for it is better for your eye to perish then for your whole body to enter into Hell. Matt 5:29-30.

If one is abiding and walking in the words and teachings of anyone other than the Son of God, they are walking in darkness. John 8:12, Matt 5:14-16, 1st John 1:5-10.
---barb on 5/14/15


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Rom 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit"

If there is no condemnation to Believers, then the Law has no power because the Law is the ministry of condemnation.
---Mark_Eaton

Look back at the verse Mark_Eaton. If you are walking in the Holy Spirit then you are not living in sin. The law defines sin. 1John3. We are not to sin. But if we do we can be forgiven. !John 2.

If a person is living in sin then they are walking in the flesh.

On Christ the solid rock I stand.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/14/15


Knowing the exact dates isn't really important.
---Rita_H on 5/13/15

Perhaps it is.

Zech 14:16 "And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles"

Ever wonder why God insists in keeping a little known festival that celebrates Israel in the wilderness?

I choose to believe that in celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles, you are celebrating the birth and life of the King (Jesus).

Celebrating God in a temporary dwelling (tabernacle).

What better day to be born than on than the first day of Sukkot?
---Mark_Eaton on 5/13/15


We cannot know exactly. I don't think it really matters because He WAS born and that is what we celebrate. Jesus would have been crucified on a specific date but Good Friday and Easter are moveable on our calender and that doesn't bother us.

God wants us to remember what happened and praise Him for the reason for those happenings. Knowing the exact dates isn't really important.
---Rita_H on 5/13/15


He was born on December 25, 1 BCE.
---learner2 on 5/12/15


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When was Jesus born?
---lunpu5999 on 2/12/15

I agree with everyone who has stated around Sept/October and coinciding with the Festival of Sukkot.

Many of my Messianic Jewish friends also theorize that Jesus was born in a Sukkah and not a manger, and that the translators of the English Bible would not have known what the food shelf in a temporary dwelling was.

Also the Festival of Sukkot is an eight day festival so Jesus could have been born and circumcised during the festival.

Additionally, my friends also theorize that John the Baptist was born on Passover, another eight day festival and that the waiting for Elijah on Passover has been fulfilled by John.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/3/15


Trav,
... Scholars who care to know when He was born have, indeed, figured it out,...
Like me, for instance.
---Gordon on 2/24/15

Import of the "exact" when...rather than exact "why" has not been as important to me.
Don't see "when" on birth is stated in scripture more important than "why" and too "who".
Agree readily there is a timeline order. Arriving at a specific time for prophecy to fulfill.
Will/would not ever divide with Gordon over the birthday. Don't know enough to. It would be interesting to "know" the "exact" day/month. And useful. I'll look to your witnessed research on this.
Rom_14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another:...
---Trav on 2/24/15


Trav, Those Verses you gave do not deny any validity to knowing when the Son of GOD's birth as a Man was.

They do definitely help give the importance of and of His purpose for coming.

But, learned Bible Scholars who care to know when He was born have, indeed, figured it out, and it's in published reading materials and it's also all over the Internet.

GOD made it possible to figure out for those who care enough to want to know.

Like me, for instance.

And, there are others.
---Gordon on 2/24/15


Lunpu: The more important question is "why was Jesus born?".
...That's all that matters!!!
---Leon on 2/18/15

Found a couple of lines of yours that the scriptures in the Bible agree with you on.
When is not as important as why.
Psa_130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.
Gal_4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 2/19/15


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Lunpu: The more important question is "why was Jesus born?". He certainly wasn't born so we could foolishly argue about when He was born. No one living knows the real answer to the question other than to say He was born over 2,000 years ago. So, please, let's not major in the minors. Jesus was born to bring salvation to you, me & anyone else who will believe He is the resurrected Son of God who died for our sins, & rose again on the third day with all power over death, hell & the grave in His hands. That's all that matters!!!
---Leon on 2/18/15


\\The Roman Church Christianized the date of 25 December and used that date for the observance of Yahushua's Birthday.\\

Then why, with the exception of the Armenians, is it observed by ALL pre-Reformation Churches that had nothing to do with Rome?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/14/15


Yahushua (JESUS) was born on the Festival of Israel called the Feast of Tabernacles or "Sukkot". Possibly 25 September, 6 B.C.


It definitely was not 25 December.

25 December is the date of the pagan festival called "Saturnalia".

The Roman Church Christianized the date of 25 December and used that date for the observance of Yahushua's Birthday.

Possibly, so, to avoid the Hebrew's associations altogether.
---Gordon on 2/13/15


\\Since the shepherds were still tending the sheep in the fields, it could have been from March until October. \\

As we all know, there were never unseasonably warm Decembers in Judea.

However, the average low temperature in December is 43 F, which would allow sheep to be kept outside.

**The reason it is not 0 as expect is because the counting practice of dating through roman emperors got messed up because Ceasar Augustus changed his name from Octavious.
---Scott1 on 2/12/15**

This had nothing to do with it.

Our present BC/AD chronology is based on a 7th century Romanian Orthodox monk named Dionysius, who used the best information available at the time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/15


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I stand in agreement with both David and Wivv. I believe Dec 25Th to be the approximate date His conception rather than His birth based on the information that both David and Wivv has provided.
---josef on 2/12/15


Jesus was born during the Jewish fall feast of Sukkot (tabernacles). Which is typically in September.
---Jed on 2/13/15


Some things can be reasoned out, but this topic is just another unwinnable debate.

Romans 1:29
2 Corinthians 12:20
Ephesians 5:1-17
Titus 1:10
Colossians 2:8
1 Timothy 6:20
2 Timothy 2:16
Titus 3:9
1 Peter 1:18

Read these verse in context.
---Steveng on 2/12/15


15 months after the "Division of Abijah".

This puts Jesus' birth around end September, beginning October on our calendar.

Jesus was 6 months younger than John the Baptizer- Luke 1:36. John was conceived when his father Zechariah was serving in the temple during the priestly "Division of Abijah"- Lu.1:5. The "Division of Abijah" was the 8th of the 24 priestly divisions which performed priestly services twice a year at the temple.

Thus, Jesus was born 15 months after the 'Division of Abijah' (6mths into Elizabeth's pregnancy + 9mths Marys full term).

Jesus was born circa.beginning October (Ethanim).
---David8318 on 2/12/15


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The current theory is between 7 and 4 BC. The reason it is not 0 as expect is because the counting practice of dating through roman emperors got messed up because Ceasar Augustus changed his name from Octavious.
---Scott1 on 2/12/15


Conventionally dated 4 BC.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/12/15


No one knows the exact date when Christ was born. The Gospel of Luke gives us out best information when he writes about the shepherds tending sheep in the fields.
"In the same region, shepherds were staying out in the fields and keeping watch at night over their flock."
Luke 2:8 (HCSB)

Since the shepherds were still tending the sheep in the fields, it could have been from March until October. They brought the sheep in during the cold months. Most scholars tend to think in was October.

But, when He was born is not really important. WHY He was born is what is important.
---wivv on 2/12/15


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