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What Is Faith And Hope

Many believer's don't understand the difference between "Hope" and "Faith". What's the difference?

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Warwick
The answer to (Ephesians 2:8), is found in (Ephesians 2:7)....that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Notice it does not say, Gods Grace is found through keeping the Law of Moses, but is found through Jesus Christ.

In (John 14:21) Jesus clearly tells us God loves those who keep his commandments. So it's should be clear, Grace comes through keeping these commandments, these commandments (Law of Christ) we receive through Gods Holy Spirit. Which is what it means, to be led by the spirit.

As for your question on the other verse, (Romans 9:15), I am out of space.
---David on 3/20/15


Trav,...you certainly post more Scripture than I ...it is not relevant to the issue, or misused.
You ignore any Scripture which contradicts your unique ideas.
---Warwick on 3/18/15

You stated scripture posted was "not relevant to the issue, or misused".
Amazing testimony. That any scripture is not relevant!
And unique! Notable by all is that you never address these scriptures at the time.
You cannot. Your doctrine has no answer to these "not relevant", unique scriptures. Israel is not relevant to you.
Never, ever have I posted that only "jews" are saved. Exposing you again, as a liar.
Scriptures you're afraid to address. You should be. False one.
---Trav on 3/20/15


David, I am glad you now understand what I have written.

Considering your works point of view what do the following mean?

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God Ephesians" 2:8.

"For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy."
---Warwick on 3/19/15


If you believe that by exercising our God given faith, to recognize we are sinners lost in sin, and therefore to ask for forgiveness is a work then don't let me stop you doing so. I don't agree. We are but accepting the obvious via the faith and light God has given us.-Warwick 3/16/15

Warwick
My apologies, You did answer my question. I guess I'm guilty of only seeing what I want to see too. And I have now used up a lot of precious space in this blog.

You admit forgiveness of sin is required for salvation and confession of sin is required for that forgiveness. Now that you can admit there are requirements for salvation, can you also admit the Grace that saves you can not be unmerited because of these requirements?
---David on 3/19/15


David, I have no idea what you are going on about.

You asked: "Yes or No, do you believe a confession of sin is required, to be forgiven of sin?"

I answered: "David, I trust and believe all of God's word so of course believe that we must confess our sins to have them forgiven. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9.

What part of-I believe we must confess our sins to have them forgiven-don't you comprehend? Is this not Yes enough for you??
---Warwick on 3/18/15




Trav, It is true that you certainly post more Scripture than I however much of it is not relevant to the issue, or misused. Matthew 21:43 does concern the Kingdom being taken from the Jews and given to the Gentiles. However that does not fit with your elitist Jews only nonsense so you try to reinterpret it through your own beliefs.

You falsely claim only Jews can be saved by Jesus atoning sacrifice however the Scriptures I quotes (to the point) e.g. Matthew 21:43, Acts 13:46, 18:46 clearly show that the Gospel was also being taken to the Gentiles. You ignore any Scripture which contradicts your unique ideas.
---Warwick on 3/18/15


Warwick
When someone sees the Truth, and then denies that Truth with their many words, where do those words come from?

You know confession of sin is required for forgiveness, and you know very well, forgiveness of sin is required for your salvation.

You could not give me a yes or no answer, because you knew if you did, you could not make the claim, the Grace you teach is the Grace of God taught by Jesus Christ in (John 14:21).

BTW, The Gift of the Holy Spirit is also free, but (Acts 2:38) says you must do something to receive this gift. Proving just because it's free, doesn't mean there are no requirements to receive it.
---David on 3/18/15


Warwick
I gave you a simple question which required a Yes or No answer. But you could not give me a yes or no answer. I knew why you couldn't give me one of these answers, do you?

Matthew 5:37 will give you the answer.
---David on 3/18/15


Trav, nothing you have written contradicts the Scriptures I gave.
Jesus, speaking to Jews said "Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given...Matthew 21:43.
---Warwick on 3/17/15

You rarely post any scripture. All scripture I've posted you avoid, rail at or deny. Your doctrine having no answer to them.
Even your verse above taking from Judah, is found in prophecy and given to the divorced North House of Israel.
Isa_27:6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.
Rom_11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: ...

Both Houses, both Sticks, Beauty and Bands.
Heb 8:8..."and Judah"
---Trav on 3/18/15


Trav, nothing you have written contradicts the Scriptures I gave. You just don't understand what Scripture is saying, that salvation is available to all mankind.

Jesus, speaking to Jews said "Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits" Matthew 21:43.
---Warwick on 3/17/15




David, in reply to you I also note I wrote the following "David, I trust and believe all of God's word so of course believe that we must confess out(s/be 'our') sins to have them forgiven. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Before replying to me please do me the honour of reading and digesting that which have written.
---Warwick on 3/18/15


Trav, you wrongly believe ...
---Warwick on 3/16/15

???? A doctrine of self centered fear. You misrepresent all scripture to Israel ..."and" Judah.
Without fear, surely in blindness, you declare in print that Christ and all prophets of GOD lie.
When Prophets and Christ's scriptures point...and you turn your back railing...you are like Judah.
Mat 5:17 ... I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Isa_27:6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.
Isa 44:7 ...set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? ...
Isa 44:21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel, ...thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
---Trav on 3/17/15


David, we are saved by faith, through the grace of God. And that very "faith" is a gift from God. "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God,"-Warwick

Warwick
I will take this as a No, you do not believe forgiveness of sin is required to be saved.

Perhaps you should look at your own doctrine, before you try to teach others the error of their ways.
---David on 3/17/15


Trav, you wrongly believe only Jews can be saved. ".the gospel,.is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek" Romans 1:16. 'Greek' 'ellas' first used of Deucalion's son, then of his descendants, then as a general name for Greeks, and in the NT to mean 'Gentiles.' Jews do not become Gentiles when living in a Gentile country.

Matthew 21:43 talking to Jews Jesus said the Kingdom of God would be taken from them and given to the Gentiles.

See Acts 13:46 "behold, we are turning to the Gentiles" Greek 'ethnoi' the nations-Gentiles, not Jews.

Acts 18:6 Paul says to the Jews in Corinth "From now on I will go to the Gentiles."
---Warwick on 3/16/15


David, we are saved by faith, through the grace of God. And that very "faith" is a gift from God. "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God,"

"So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy" Romans 9:16.

If you believe that by exercising our God given faith, to recognize we are sinners lost in sin, and therefore to ask for forgiveness is a work then don't let me stop you doing so. I don't agree. We are but accepting the obvious via the faith and light God has given us.
---Warwick on 3/16/15


Many believer's don't understand the difference between "Hope" and "Faith". What's the difference?
---David on 2/14/15

121 verses defining "hope".
Rom_15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Act_24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Eze_37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
---Trav on 3/16/15


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...Trav insists only those who are Jews can be saved. ... unbiblical doctrines.
...detests me because I have exposed his errors.
---Warwick on 3/15/15

Red Letter...posted scripture you call errors and "strange". Revealing. Your first error: these scriptures are not about seeking Sth House judah but rather Israel the Nth House. I do detest your doctrines of avoidance, an inferior sand stand, mortared with arrogance. A chosen blindness, because you never asked the "only" teacher. Captive of mens doctrines...sifted through your revered referenced experts. You've never had freedom from them. Freedom, old man, is born of truth.
Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
---Trav on 3/16/15


David, I trust and believe all of God's word so of course believe that we must confess out sins to have them forgiven.-Warwick

Warwick
I asked you this question, to open your eyes to something that your doctrine denies. You say a man is saved by an Unmerited Grace, a Grace which requires nothing of the man being saved.

I don't believe a man can be saved unless he is forgiven of sin, and if he must confess his sins to be forgiven, that man is required to do something to be saved.

So for your doctrine to be the Truth, you must therefore believe, a man does not need forgiveness of sin to be saved.
Is this what you believe?
---David on 3/16/15


David, I trust and believe all of God's word so of course believe that we must confess out sins to have them forgiven. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

'And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit"' Acts 2:38.

BTW David you may not get his point but Trav insists only those who are Jews can be saved. Just one of his strange and unbiblical doctrines. He now detests me because I have exposed his errors.
---Warwick on 3/15/15


Thank you Warwick I agree.

David the answer is Yes we must confess.

Why would we not be sorry for doing wrong and hurting others?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/15/15


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... an acceptable sacrifice, for the forgiveness of our sin (Hebrews 10:4).
---David on 3/15/15

Notice David, that scriptures below are avoided by poser preachers trying to climb in another futile way, Christ, Prophets and Apostles state specifically why.
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Gal_4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Mat_18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Mat_1:21 ... he shall save his people from their sins.
---Trav on 3/15/15


If man could be saved apart from faith in Jesus redeeming work then why did Jesus have to die? -Warwick

Warwick
It was to give us an acceptable sacrifice, an acceptable sacrifice, for the forgiveness of our sin (Hebrews 10:4).
Forgiveness needed, so that we could be in a relationship with God (1 John 1:7).

Now I have a simple, Yes or No question, for you.
According to (1 John 1:9), God says if we confess our sins, he will forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

Yes or No, do you believe a confession of sin is required, to be forgiven of sin?
---David on 3/15/15


David, man cannot be saved by any works, whether by following the Law or good deeds. However, in this instance James refers to works/deeds Greek erga. As you may know 'erg' is the scientific definition of a unit of physical work in English. So James is saying, as I have said many times before, that man cannot be saved by any of his works, only by Jesus works, but when saved has works to do. And these are the evidence he is truly saved. James gives Abraham as an example, he who acted in faith, to do what God commanded him to do-works/deeds.

If man could be saved apart from faith in Jesus redeeming work then why did Jesus have to die?
---Warwick on 3/14/15


He is saying that one who says he has faith but has no works isn't living the saved Christian life, the evidence of which is works.--Warwick

Warwick
If you use the translations which use the word "dead" verses "worthless", I can see how you could understand it this way. But these same translations also say, "Ye see then how by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."(James 2:24)

Which works was James referring to, the works of the Law of Moses (John 1:17), or to the commands of Jesus Christ (John 14:21)?
If James had been referring to the Law of Moses, wouldn't it read, "Ye see then how by the works of the law, a man is justified"?
---David on 3/14/15


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David, you are correct Paul says we are saved by faith (a gift) by the grace of God and not by works Ephesians 2:9, ( also 2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 3:5.) Therefore as Scripture interprets Scripture (not contradicts) James expands upon this. Can you therefore admit we cannot be saved by works? Or do you say Paul is wrong?

James is saying a true believer, saved by faith, by grace,will show he is saved by the service he then gives. "I will show you my faith by my works" James 2:18. He is saying that one who says he has faith but has no works isn't living the saved Christian life, the evidence of which is works.
---Warwick on 3/13/15


David: "Since Christ was the master teacher, he must have taught salvation without works in the Gospels. Where did he teach it?"

Try Luke 7:36-50. Note Jesus' final words: "Your faith has saved you. Go in peace."

Try John 6:27-29, especially v. 29: "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he sent."
---Marc on 3/13/15


Trav
Doesn't God use our testimony to draw them?
---David on 3/11/15

If it is truth and scripture witnessing scripture..."called" sheep recognize the draw call of the "only" Master and Shepherd through the hearing, seeing of it.
Those that don't hear it or refuse to see it are not drawn or sheep.
Pretty easy sign but, there is the man part of us that cannot bear failing when we think we personally are the magnet.
What is not said in scripture speaks. Christ didn't say: persist until they see, accept or kneel before me. Shake dust an example 5 times:Mat_10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
---Trav on 3/12/15


None of you read "Studies in the Scripture" the book has not been in circulation for a long time. Charles T. Russell wrote that book. You my friend walk in darkness according to him. -Luke

Luke
Don't concern yourself with what Charles T. Russell wrote, concern yourself with what Jesus wrote.
The reason you can not trust in the Gospels of Christ, is because you put your trust in men.

The Truth is based on the teachings of Christ, not on the teachings of men.
---David on 3/12/15


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"My initial point: that we personally cannot draw the individual. Is a transitional understanding that GOD does the drawing. It is not our carefully crafted salesmenship or lack of but, GOD who opens, draws or places those drawn/sought where his truths can be pointed too. There is a freedom here. An easier yoke."

Trav, what you said is the whole truth. Very well said.
Salvation has nothing to do with what man does, he is a sinner in darkness, and needs for God to bring him to the light, open his eyes and ears, and most of all change his corrupt heart.
---Luke on 3/12/15


My initial point: that we personally cannot draw the individual. Is a transitional understanding that GOD does the drawing.-Trav

Trav
Doesn't God use our testimony to draw them?
---David on 3/11/15


David, I wrote what your president said. His own words. He said,
"not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see also that if anyone lays the Scripture Studies aside even after he has used them after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years, if he lays them aside and ignores them and goes to Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for years, our experience shows that within ten years he goes into darkness."
His own words. None of you read "Studies in the Scripture" the book has not been in circulation for a long time. Charles T. Russell wrote that book. You my friend walk in darkness according to him.
---Luke on 3/11/15


Trav
I agree, but how does God draw us to him?And how shall they hear without a preacher?
---David on 3/10/15

No argument here. Myself being provoked by a man that utilized scripture all denom preachers avoid like snakes. Provoked to prove him wrong...scripture verified him by thousands of witnesses pointing, all aligning the same truths.
My initial point: that we personally cannot draw the individual. Is a transitional understanding that GOD does the drawing. It is not our carefully crafted salesmenship or lack of but, GOD who opens, draws or places those drawn/sought where his truths can be pointed too. There is a freedom here. An easier yoke.
Love your seeking passion.
---Trav on 3/10/15


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While we may post scripture, it is only those drawn by GOD, thereby seeking that will find.-Trav

Trav
I agree, but how does God draw us to him?

Though I was a rich man, I lived a life devoid of joy. And I was drawn to him through hearing the word, that word which said, God could fill me with joy.

From whom did the I receive the word?

(Romans 10:14)
How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
---David on 3/10/15


David, I am not Mark. I am Luke. -Luke

Mark V
It's okay with me if you to pretend to be someone else. It's a clever way to get out your message, a message you believe to be the truth. Though you disguise your name, your personality is easily recognized.

I believe what Jesus said in (John 8:34), is the Truth. But the doctrine in which you believe, doesn't teach what Jesus taught in (John 8:34) to be the Truth.
Now since you teach against the Truth, wouldn't that make what you believe, a lie?

But of course you already knew that, else you wouldn't have had to sling all that mud at me.
BTW, the other David (followed by numbers) is the JW.
---David on 3/9/15


"So whose wrong Mark, Jesus or you? And why did you change your name? I like the name Mark V'

David, I am not Mark. I am Luke. If you want to respond to Scripture, go ahead and do it. You are trying to look for dirt, you must be a servant of sin.
Are you without sin? Because Jehovah witnesses are in darkness.
By your presidents own words all of you are in darkness. I know that because He said so. You are not reading his book "Studies in the Scriptures" It is no longer in circulation. Check the Watchtower of Sep. 15, 1910. The watchtower themselves removed those books. So are you a servant of sin? All those in darkness are servants of sin.
---Luke on 3/9/15


...false beliefs make us deaf and blind to scripture, scripture right in front of us.
---David on 3/6/15

Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Liked the scripture you referenced. Jhn 14:24 unify's, for both of us.
While we may post scripture, it is only those drawn by GOD, thereby seeking that will find.
Christ shows his secondary position in the order.
He also makes another point. Keeping "his" sayings.
Not pauls or anyone elses. Many revere pauls walls but never seek the foundation of Christ and Prophets.
Psa_81:8 Hear, O my people, I will testify unto thee: O Israel, if thou wilt hearken unto me,
---Trav on 3/9/15


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Good points David.
John 14:23,24 -Samuel


Samuel
Glad you saw them.
Sorry I didn't respond earlier, Trav has me reading the Prophets again. Good read!

(John 14:21-24) is a very telling passage, which many believers have read over and again, and yet when you quote the scripture, it's as though they are hearing it for the very first time.

It's amazing how false beliefs make us deaf and blind to scripture, scripture right in front of us. How we tend to read it, and yet remain blind to what we have just read. Only seeing those passages which we can mold, into what we believe.

Passages like (Romans 2:6-7) or (John 8:34). Passages when used as a question, are like shining a bright light into a dark room.
---David on 3/6/15


At some point we take the "me" and "i" out. -Trav

Trav
As Christ's disciples, there has to be a "Me and an "I". Because the "Road to Damascus experience" of Paul, doesn't happen all that often.

Those I witness to, especially to those who have tried to seek Christ through a false doctrine, I witness in a way in which Christ will reveal the Truth.

I am not looking for them to hear me, to see me as anything more than a servant of Christ, but to hear the voice of Almighty God. To hear him in the way, they did the night they believed they were "saved". To hear him in a way, they stop listening to their teachers, and start listening to him.
---David on 3/4/15


Trav
I believe if I can make them see the lies, I can lead them to the Truth.
---David on 2/28/15

Understand your Hope. Be it far from me to be a discouragement. Or encouraging what might I might not understand about your foundation.
Things that jump out are your comments above, "if I can make them see" and "I can lead them".
While your consideration and concern is awesome...
I keep thinking...even the "chosen twelve" Apostle/ disciples couldn't see...until they asked Christ. GOD invited, drew the individuals...Christ opened their eyes.
At some point we take the "me" and "i" out. And deal with good ground GOD presents us with. Not with who we "choose".
---Trav on 3/3/15


Good points David.


Jhn 14:23,24

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/3/15


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Trav
Thanks again, (Isaiah 51:1) was a very inspiring passage for me. As I have said before, the reason many believers don't find what they are looking for when they come to Christ, is because they come for the wrong reason.

Many come to be saved, and when they believe they have been saved, they go right back into the world.
Salvation is more than escaping judgment, it's escaping our love for this world.

And the only way to lose our love for the world, is to find a love for God. Those who seek righteousness, find their way. "If you love me, keep my commandments".
---David on 3/3/15


Isa_51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD--Trav

Trav
Oh, now I get what your saying, and you're right!!!

The reason for my frustration, is those who follow a false doctrine, do not hunger and thirst for righteousness.

But why do they not hunger and thirst for righteousness? Why do they not seek the Lord?
It's because they have been deceived by the false doctrine's. Their error was seeking the truth from man, and not from Gods Holy Spirit.
Their teachers have replaced, taken over the assignment of Gods Holy Spirit.

I believe if I can make them see the lies, I can lead them to the Truth.









---David on 2/28/15


I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong.-Luke

Mark V
According to your doctrine, Christ was also wrong. So I'm in good company.

Proof?
In (John 8:34) Jesus taught "Everyone who sins is a servant of sin." Do you believe Jesus?

No, and why not?
Because according to Jesus, you are a servant of sin. And the servant does not abide in the house forever (John 8:35).

So whose wrong Mark, Jesus or you? And why did you change your name? I like the name Mark V
---David on 2/27/15


trav
Aren't those who are saved, chosen by the Lord?
(Mark 13:20) ...
---David on 2/26/15

Indeed they are. For craftsmanship sake...lets establish the "hand picked" chosen rocks for this foundation project. Following the original Engineers "rock" and the "pit" instruction manual.
Isa_51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
Isa_65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit, they shall not plant, another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa_42:1
Isa_45:4
Isa_65:9
---Trav on 2/27/15


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(Pro14:25)
Trav
The #1 problem I find with most believers, is they have become separated from God,...the promise of God in (1 John 1:9).
---David on 2/27/15

We're discussing starving believers here. Was one.
No one gave me meat. Even though the Butcher shops/churches advertise it free. Self deceived they think pc milk is meat.
The main reason I come here is to point to "scripture" witnessing scripture. Meat scripture that previous outsiders like you , I an even insiders are never offered at the "butcher shops". Fresh Meat untainted by denoms/doctrines of men.
Not all can handle digest meat...but, maturing searcher/seeker/askers of our Lord will.
---Trav on 2/27/15


Do what they say? Give details.-Trav

(Proverbs 14:25)
A truthful witness delivers souls, but a deceitful witness speaks lies.
Trav
The #1 problem I find with most believers, is they have become separated from God, and they don't even know it.

Of course, they don't believe me when I tell them they have become separated from God, so I must prove it. And once I prove what I say is true, they then begin to see me as a Truthful witness.

How do I prove it? I tell them about the promise of God in (1 John 1:9). And if they have not confessed their sins, since the day, they believe they were "Saved", the cleansing/forgiveness of sin, which restores Gods light, is an experience they can not deny.
---David on 2/27/15


David, you stated:
""Many are called, but few are chosen". Those who the Lord calls, and have not been chosen, are still his sheep.
(John 8:35) A slave (Many) does not abide in the house forever, but a son (Few) abides forever."

I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong. Those not chosen are not His sheep. Also, nothing is mention in the passage about those called or those chosen. Your interpretation of John is very wrong. "But a Son abides forever," which means only those who become sons of God abide forever. "a slave does not abide forever" They are not sons of God. So they are not sheep. His sheep hear His voice, all others are goats.
---Luke on 2/27/15


You stated your interpretations though, with no scripture to found them. --Trav

Trav
Can someone be saved, lest they be born again?
(John 3:3) Verily, verily I say unto thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.

Aren't those who are saved, chosen by the Lord?
(Mark 13:20)
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved, but for the elects sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.
---David on 2/26/15


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Trav
... I understand your frustration.
... which one has that Truth?
Do what they say.
---David on 2/26/15

Do what they say? Give details.
You misunderstood a little. There is no frustration now. Ever in last 14yrs. Peace is alignment. Letting GOD do the choosing and drawing. It is only those he draws that are seeking truth. Only these "see". Through see-king "his" scriptural representatives clarify. I only point.

Show us how "you do" it...
But, regardless it cannot be greater than GOD's choosing drawing.
We cannot have a greater witness than the Prophets aligning with Christ and his Apostles.
---Trav on 2/26/15


rav
I believe the chosen are those who are born of God, and that is why I don't agree Judas was chosen,
---David on 2/26/15

You stated your interpretations though, with no scripture to foundation them.
Lets first do foundation masonry work on word "chosen". Then, "born of GOD".
Scripture on chosen by a prophet:
Jer_33:24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.

1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people,...
( Find Peculiar people...in 7 other scipture refs)
---Trav on 2/26/15


Trav
I believe the chosen are those who are born of God, and that is why I don't agree Judas was chosen, since he died before Christ's resurrection.

Mat_10:5, Mat_10:14 whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words,...Trav

Trav
Those who follow a false doctrine, believe they have received Christ, and through that doctrine have received his words.

I would like to tell you, I understand your frustration. I failed for 10 years, never turning a single person from a false doctrine. But then God showed me how, and brother... I would love to show you how I do it.

If two teachers proclaim they teach the Truth, how will someone know, for sure, which one has that Truth?
Do what they say.
---David on 2/26/15


...It's not an interpretation, ...
---David on 2/25/15

You said: //If we should give up"// is your interpretation. 40yrs i never refused truth. 40 yrs was never presented with truth. Recognized it at 40 by scriptural witnesses. 5yrs on "my" own mission. Mine was null... GOD's is the only one that can choose/draw. We don't. We'll know when too respond, how and who.
When you call your friends/family on the phone and they knowing & seeing who it is won't answer... your message doesn't apply anymore. They don't wanna hear it, won't accept it...even though we are passionate to tell it. It's null.

Mat_10:5, Mat_10:14 whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words,...
---Trav on 2/25/15


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Judas was chosen too...--Trav
Was he? He betrayed the Son of God. ...If he had been born of God, would he, or could he have done this?
---David on 2/25/15

Last question first. Christ says he was chosen. Joh_6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Judas position fulfilled scripture. What if he hadn't?

He actually represents more than just another Disciple if one considers that Judah who represents 1/12th of Israel in Judah who still has not accepted. He is prophetic Judah in analogy and even name.
Was Judas sorrowful...yes, to the point of hanging himself.
Mat 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself,...
---Trav on 2/25/15


Me too 40 years.--Trav

Trav
That alone should be enough proof. If we should give up on those who won't listen, why didn't God give up on us?

Interesting interpretation of yours.--Trav

It's not an interpretation, that's what it says. Who are the many, who are the few? Are there more, Sons of God or those who are slaves of sin? Though many deny they are slaves of sin (John 8:34), they know the truth, because God has written on their hearts.
If you do not want to sin, but you do, you are a slave to sin.

Judas was chosen too...--Trav

Was he? He betrayed the Son of God. Not something one does to someone they love. If he had been born of God, would he, or could he have done this?

---David on 2/25/15


Thank you Samuel, pondering is good.
---David on 2/24/15


Trav
"Many are called, but few are chosen".
---David on 2/24/15

Me too 40 years.
Interesting interpretation of yours. Judas was chosen too...


Chosen: Joh 6:65 he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Sheep have characteristic marks. Un chosen sheep won't graze together long in the same scriptural pastures. Goats browse everything but grass.

Heb_8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, write them in their hearts: I will be to them a God, they shall be to me a people:
Hos_3:5 ...in the latter days.
---Trav on 2/24/15


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There are specific verses instructing Christ's own to avoid the ones that won't listen.-Trav

Trav
I didn't listen for 41 years, and the Lord never gave up on me. I admit I have only been able to turn a few from the wide path. But those few have been worth it.

For years I thought this to be impossible, but the Lord gave me one bit of advise that made it possible, "Feed my Sheep".

"Many are called, but few are chosen". Those who the Lord calls, and have not been chosen, are still his sheep.
(John 8:35) A slave (Many) does not abide in the house forever, but a son (Few) abides forever.

Notice, for now, the slave is also in the house.


---David on 2/24/15


Josef, your answer was perfect. All the other talk is just talk. Thank you brother,
---Luke on 2/24/15


Cluny David some good points. Also some thoughts to ponder.

Thank you both.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/23/15


True, but why don't they listen to the prophets? Why do they create their own translation?
---David on 2/21/15

These cannot be called or sought "sheep". Joh_10:8. Christ didn't seek these, why does the self deceived Churches.
Those who search the prophets. Amo_3:7,Mat_5:17, Luk_11:50, Psa_111:2, Psa_119:94, Isa_62:12, Jer_50:20 They hear the multiple witnesses of them.
Clear and amazing still to me was and is this "mark" of the going scripturally against the prophets.
Demonstrated daily, weekly, in almost all denominations/doctrines today.
There are specific verses instructing Christs own to avoid the ones that won't listen. Mat_7:6, Php_3:2.
Eze_34:6, Eze_34:11-16, Php_2:21.
---Trav on 2/23/15


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Faith looks to the past. Hope looks to the future. Love is now.---Cluny

Cluny
Interesting statement which captures the three elements, or phases of faith, which starts with a seed.

The seed is a promise from God.
Hope is planting that seed.
Faith is the tree produced by the planted seed .
Love is the fruit produced by the tree.

If Abram did not place his hope in Gods promise, would he have left his homeland?
If Abraham did not have faith in Gods promise, could he have put Isaac on the alter?
If Abraham did not plant that seed of hope, and left his homeland, would he have become a friend of God?
---David on 2/23/15


The late Orthodox Archpriest, the V. Rev. Peter Gillquist in his Protestant days said this:

Faith looks to the past. Hope looks to the future. Love is now.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/22/15


Hope is believing it is true even though we cannot prove it. -Samuelbb7

Samuel
In (Matthew 14:31) Jesus gives a perfect definition of hope. "O thou of little faith, why didst thou doubt?"

Hope is just that,... "little faith", a faith with which one still has doubt. Where as Great faith, is a faith with no doubt.

Abraham had little faith when he left his homeland, but he had great faith, when he offered up Isaac on the alter.
How did Abraham go from hope to complete faith in Gods promise?


---David on 2/22/15


---David on 2/21/15. Excellent insight.
---josef on 2/21/15


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David, you've a good heart. -Trav on 2/20/15

Trav
Ah,...But I was once a black hearted fool. I would love to take credit, but it's our Lord who lives in me who deserves all the credit, for making me the man I have become.(John 14:23)

And Trav,... I see that same goodness with you.
---David on 2/22/15


Rom 3:10-12

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable, there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

faith is trust in GOD and His word. Hope is believing it is true even though we cannot prove it.

People do not want to believe in the prophets because they would have to change to be more like Jesus. To love and care for others and give up sin.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/21/15


Those who avoid the prophets...are their own translation.-Trav

True, but why don't they listen to the prophets? Why do they create their own translation?
This is something that took me a long time to understand.
It's all about measure, and who we make the measure of righteousness.

Ask someone if they are good, and chances are, they will say "Yes". If they see themselves as good, they will make themselves the measure of righteousness. When they make themselves the measure of righteousness, they will not hear the righteous teachings of the prophets.

This is why, though they have told lies, they do not see themselves as liars, but can call someone else, who tells lies, a L-I-A-R!
---David on 2/21/15


Folks
What do you see as the common denominator in the examples given in Hebrews 11?

...how can we translate these examples,...
---David on 2/15/15

David, you've a good heart.
Translation has already taken place, the common "denominator" witnesses given as below. Most won't listen to these fathers and prophets GOD spoke personally too.
Those who avoid the prophets...are their own translation. Those who don't avoid these fathers and prophets...understand.
Heb 11:32 what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, of Barak, of Samson, of Jephthae, of David also, Samuel, of the prophets:
Luk_24:25 ... slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
---Trav on 2/20/15


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Faith and Hope, what's the difference?

Hope is to faith, as a pill is to a headache. When someone gets a headache and takes a pill, a pill they have never taken before, they do not know if it will take headache away. They can only hope it will take the headache away.

And when the pill works and takes their headache away, the next time they get a headache, they will take the pill by faith.
Could you have faith in a pill, you have never tried?

Would Abraham have come to have faith in God, if he had never left his homeland?

Can one have faith in Jesus Christ, if they do not do what he tells them to do?

Can you now see why faith without works is worthless?
---David on 2/20/15


Jesus told her that her FAITH lifestyle/attitude/character) had saved her, Jesus didn't say "Wait for my blood to save you".-faithforfaith

Faithforfaith
Great point!!
The blood of Christ does not save you, the Grace of God does. A Grace which is by FAITH.

What is the true purpose of the Blood of Christ?
The Blood of Christ cleanses us of sin.(1 John 1:9)

Why is this cleansing necessary?
Because unless we are cleansed of our sins, we can not be in relationship with God.

How does sin keep us from a relationship with God?
Because sin separates man from God.(Isaiah 59:2).
And with Jesus being the only acceptable sacrifice for sin, he died, so we could live.(Hebrews 10:1-12)
---David on 2/19/15


Faith, as concerning salvation, is a superimposed, steadfast, unwavering confidence in the Father, His Word, HIs principles, and His promises.
Hope, as concerning salvation, is a joyful and confident expectation of the fulfillment of those principles and promises based on His Word -josef


Josef
Good answer. I underscored "His Promises", because that's what causes our faith to grow.

For instance, God promises if we confess our sins, he will forgive us and wash our sins away with the blood of Jesus Christ, (1 John 1:9). Everyone who has experienced this cleansing, learns that God keeps his promises.

Thereby causing them to further trust in the word of God.
---David on 2/16/15


Faith, as concerning salvation, is a superimposed, steadfast, unwavering confidence in the Father, His Word, HIs principles, and His promises.
Hope, as concerning salvation, is a joyful and confident expectation of the fulfillment of those principles and promises based on His Word
---josef on 2/15/15


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Faith is discussed in Hebrews 11.-Cluny

Folks
What do you see as the common denominator in the examples given in Hebrews 11?

And how can we translate these examples, into an applicable teaching, a teaching, which will lead folks to have faith in Jesus Christ?
---David on 2/15/15


Before Jesus and The Holy Spirit, humanity was HOPELESS about being reconciled to (reconnected with) God, but because of the purification of the flesh (on the cross) AND the purification of the conscience (by the "eternal Spirit) now there is HOPE.

When Jesus was talking about "dogs", He was referring to the scoundrels of humanity, but the woman was smart and replied as "dogs" as PETS. Those pets eat the scraps that fall from the table that the woman sets to FEED THE PEOPLE in her care (a very holy lifestyle attitude, wouldn't you say?).

Jesus told her that her FAITH (lifestyle/attitude/character) had saved her, Jesus didn't say "Wait for my blood to save you".
---faithforfaith on 2/14/15


Faith is discussed in Hebrews 11.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/14/15


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