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Why do you suppose that God does not intervene in the decapitating of 21 Christians by isis?

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'[ProVeritate] a reclusive, secretive group which allows no outside contact!'- Warwick.

Given proveritate promotes the trinity, I couldn't agree with you more Warwick! Most if not all trinitarian groups are "reclusive, secretive" groups. What is interesting are the concerns of this trinitarian group with the occultist tendencies of your trinitarian C & MA group.

Where have I said you hear God's voice audibly? Its your founding cult leader who believed you can hear Gods voice. You have not distanced yourself from Simpsons belief, but rather you have defended his beliefs on every occasion when questioned.

You're either duped into C & MA occultism or you're a good liar!
---David8318 on 3/5/15


The truth is Christians are part of Israel. The Church is made up of true Isralites which includes those Gentiles who have chosen to follow the Messiah.

Read Ephesians 2.

This used to be a common doctrine. But many today no longer know it.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/5/15


Trav, For example you falsely claim that only Jews can be saved despite the fact that Scripture says....
---Warwick on 3/4/15

Your avoidance/fear of scripture is your base blindness in scripture. You pose as preacher teacher but, cannot tolerate specific scripture witnessing scripture. I've posted scripture...you turn away in disgust. A mark and a sign.
I've never said what you claim above. I posted scripture. You sift selected Hebrew to a third level but play blind in latin. But then you must.
Your chain mail armor is paper, penetrated by scripture. Inside out and outside in.
Heb_8:8 ... Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 3/5/15


David, how unsurprizing, your claims come from a reclusive, secretive group which allows no outside contact!

You are infamous, for misquoting, part-quoting to give a false strory, as the record shows. It seem birds of a feather (though PV would consider you an Heretic) do flock together. I would place as much veracity upon the writings of Pro Veritate as I would upon you and the WTS.

You repeat the lie that I have said I "hear God's voice audibly in the head or from the sky?" Quote me where I have said this? You won't because you can't because you know I have never said this.

You believe the WTS is God's mouthpiece on earth, how does God converse with them?
---Warwick on 3/4/15


Why would it be better if God intervened?
---learner2 on 3/4/15




Trav, you write "I've rebuked your false hoods openly and forever" I am sure you believe this but you have not done this at all. For example you falsely claim that only Jews can be saved despite the fact that Scripture says "Gentiles" will also be saved "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek."(gentiles) Romans 1:16 "Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also," Romans 3:29.

You explain this away by saying that both Jews and Gentiles are Jews. This nonsense.

Trav, you are still showing envy towards me-not good!
---Warwick on 3/4/15


'I contacted one of the C & MA men negatively mentioned in the Pro Veritate report'- Warwick.

Really? Did you contact your deceased leader A Simpson via a seance? Another C & MA occult practice no doubt? Regardless of what your "contacts" say, the PV report quotes what A Simpson and C & MA pastor D Smith have written.

Are you now saying you don't hear God's voice audibly in the head or from the sky? Are you now contradicting your cult founding leaders anti-Biblical comments that "God dwells in the soul" and that "if we hush out every sound" we can hear Gods voice? You can't defend Simpsons claims Biblically. You obviously now agree C & MA practices are false and occult!
---David8318 on 3/4/15


As regarding Trav's 'tebel' you said "Ok Warwick, we're all watching" ...
---Warwick on 3/1/15

Ha. What was to watch. Your chain mail dress flapping on the backside. You run from the thousands of witnesses against you...again and again and again. Scriptural and otherwise. You continue to present opportunity's to post scriptural truths. When the weight of the math went past 40 you melted like a snowflake in the sun.
I've rebuked your false hoods openly and forever. Your arrogant adversarial bitterness is a false front of your fear and insecurity's.

You run, when it's only scripture chasing you.
Tit_2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
---Trav on 3/3/15


David, I contacted one of the C & MA men negatively mentioned in the Pro Veritate report. The details he willingly supplied show PV has it wrong, as they did not go to source, depending only upon second-hand information innuendo and bias. I say bias as they appear to be an exclusive group who believe they alone have the truth. This of course biases them to believe all others are wrong.


I tried to make contact with PV to sound them out however they are a secretive, reclusive group which provides absolutely no contact details. Strange! I would love to see their report on JW's. Most likely they would not bother to do such a report as the glaring errors of the WTS are common knowledge.
---Warwick on 3/3/15


Mark's wild misrepresentations...again-

So as not to flood this thread with, yet another, of Marc's insult-laden rants, his false claims below (I, II and III) can easily be refuted and dismissed...again...by going to:

JW dought cyborg (without the ugh and cyb =) and searching the subjects: "Neutrality", "Blood" and "Organ Transplants."

You're welcome!
---scott on 3/2/15




Scott, yes the words were addressed to others. And may have been a bit harsh, maybe not. But if addressed to you and David they would be nothing but good descriptive words.

Have you got it now Scotty?
---Warwick on 3/2/15


Warwick's Christian & Missionary Alliance majors in "Contemplative Spirituality", a belief system using ancient mystical practices to induce altered states of consciousness (the silence) and is rooted in mysticism and the occult, often wrapped in Christian terminology. Common terms used for this movement are "spiritual formation," "the silence," and others.

One of the mystical doctrines used by the C & MA is contemplative prayer, also known as soaking prayer and centering prayer, is the unbiblical and mystical practice of emptying ones mind of conscious thought and turning to ones inner self to find (as A.Simpson, C & MA founder promoted) "the presence of "God" ".
---David8318 on 3/2/15


"Scott, those rather blunt words could be a little over the top if addressed to others but to you and David they seem apt..." Warwick

Poor Warwick. The words were addressed to "others."

Still "over the top" or would you like to retract that now?
---scott on 3/2/15


'contemplative Prayer'- Warwick.

Yes, "Contemplative prayer is being practiced and taught at official [C & MA] seminaries... all [C & MA] pastors are trained at one of these official schools, the false doctrines imparted to these students will eventually permeate the local churches affiliated with the denomination"- (proveritate, 8/2014).

Ron Walborn, dean of C & MA Theological Seminary, endorsed a book by James P. Danaher entitled "Contemplative Prayer: A Theology for the Twenty-First Century". Danaher is Professor and Chair of the Department of Philosophy at Nyack College, an official school of the C & MA.

Words to describe Warwick and Marc would be: demonic, mystic and occultist.
---David8318 on 3/2/15


"So [Marc's] "Christianity" allows for calling those with a differing opinion "Knuckleheads"."

Paul writes, "O you dear IDIOTS of Galatia...are you that STUPID". (Galatians 3:1,3)

Scott perennially avoids discussions he can't win, raising side issues to score points, a typical JW tactic.

BTW, I called people "knuckleheads" because they believe beating a child was sanctioned by a Bible proverb. Proverbs are rarely understood literally. To cause pain in a child is obtuse savagery.

I've worked in child welfare for 30 years. The literature and studies demonstrating a link between child physical punishment and criminality is enormous. But what would you know, prophet Scott?
---Marc on 3/2/15


Scott, those rather blunt words could be a little over the top if addressed to others but to you and David they seem apt and are rather mild when compared to the words of Jesus directed to Pharisees et al as recorded in Matthew 23:13-33. "Hypoctites, blind guides, blind fools,inside you are filthy-full of greed and self indulgence, whitewashed tombs, snakes, and sons of vipers.:

All this and more Jesus directed, accurately, at those who perverted the true faith, as you do. "How will you escape the judgement of hell?"

This makes "dunces, fools and idiots" look like compliments.
---Warwick on 3/2/15


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Yes, Warwick, it's clear Scott and David have refused all requests to help us understand the basis by which they claim that JWs are God's only chosen organisation through whom he works. Their evasiveness is unequivocal evidence for JW dishonesty.

David may ridicule people who claim God assists them, accusing them of occultism, but JWs claim that God speaks to his Brooklyn leaders and then Brooklyn alone is God's voice to them. This "voice" orders every moment of their lives. Examples: (i) they mustn't save the life of their child by giving blood (ii) banning organ transplants (iii) they hypocritically and selfishly can defend their own family from attack but they refuse to help their neighbour from the same violence.
---Marc on 3/2/15


'improper practises [sic]'- Warwick.

Warwick now admits the improper practices of his cult C & MA leader A.Simpson who wrote:

"There is, in the deepest centre of the soul, a chamber of peace where God dwells, and where, if we will only enter in and hush every other sound, we can hear His still, small voice"- Simpson, A. B., The Holy Spirit, Or, Power From On High.

Rather than distancing himself from his cult leaders mystic "naval gazing", Warwick has persistently defended Simpson by claiming God's voice can be heard today.

Where does the Bible say God 'dwells in the soul'? Where does the Bible say 'if we hush every sound we can hear His [Gods] voice'? Tell us Warwick?
---David8318 on 3/2/15


"No insults there, only blunt accurate descriptions." Warwick

So Warwick's brand of "Christianity", like Marc's, allows for calling those with a differing opinion "Knuckleheads, Dunces, Fools and Idiots" and 'accurately describes' those that have been the happy recipients of his diatribes.

Ok. Good to know.
---scott on 3/2/15


"why doesn't God intervene to protect the unborn Americans who are being slaughtered daily in the United States of America?"
com7fy8

Simply because we have kicked God out of every part of our daily life in the USA. We have demanded Him to leave in the good times so why would He hang around and help us in the bad times?
Another sign of this is how the false cults are able to flourish in this country.
---Elder on 3/2/15


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David, finally you have sent me the information I long sought. Why the reticence? If your previous comments had come from someone of integrity I would have taken them seriously.

As a long-term member of the C & MA Australia I have never even heard a hint of anyone therein being involved in the mystical nonsense the report covers. It is trash.

I agree, truth comes from without, from God (John 17:17) never from introspective naval-gazing. The report has the smell of your usual libellous style.

I repeatedly asked you if God communicates with man in any way today, and you would not answer. I can now see why.

I will research more.
---Warwick on 3/1/15


\\Cluny: "Please tell us specifically what crimes Obama has committed while in office."


You've got to be kidding! Pick one! \\

In other words, jerry, you cannot answer my question.

And since technically we are not at war, which can only be declared by Congress, he cannot have committed treason. The Constitution, which you revere so highly, is very clear about that.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/1/15


"The Christian and Missionary Alliance Embraces Contemplative Spirituality and Christian Mysticism"

This is the opening headliner on the Pro Veritate report, which continues:

"David John Smith (C & MA pastor) writes that, "God can and does speak to us in multi-level methods as we open up all the vents of our soul to listen"- [Listening Prayer, August 17, 2014]. Smith goes on to list thirty ways in which God supposedly speaks to believers, including mental pictures, imagination, visions, and even journaling conversations with God. All of these mystical practices are unorthodox and unbiblical even anti-biblical and are being embraced by the C & MA as a denomination".
---David8318 on 3/1/15


Scott, drawing attention away from his (now legendary) dishonest culling of Church intellectuals, in desperation draws upon his dark depository of intemperate comments I've made, and then tacks on a quote from Rousseau, all purposed to elevate in his own eyes his own perfected prophethood and to bolster the Witchtowerite's claim to being God's only mouthpiece.

Is this the same Rousseau English historian Paul Johnson labels "an interesting madman"? Is it true that people's reliance on quoting Rousseau, according to the critic Jules Lemaitre, is "one of the strongest proofs ever provided of human stupidity"?
---Marc on 3/1/15


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Scott, no insults there, only blunt accurate descriptions. Liars and scumbags don't like truth. When someone lies they are surely insulted to be called a liar, but it's true.

A recent instance of deceit: David, said the Pro Veritate report linked the C & MA with "contemplative Prayer" and other improper practises. But he would not supply a quote, as he could not, it was a lie. But he continued promoting the lie. Therefore to call him a disgraceful, evasive liar is no insult only truth.

As regarding Trav's 'tebel' you said "Ok Warwick, we're all watching" as though there was veracity in in Trav's nonsense. I answered it and suddenly you weren't watching any more. You dropped it.
---Warwick on 3/1/15


"Vomit...Disingenuous.." Marc

"Knuckleheads, Dunces, Fools...Idiots!" Marc, 2/6/15

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong."
Jean-Jacques Rousseau
---scott on 3/1/15


Cluny: "Please tell us specifically what crimes Obama has committed while in office."


You've got to be kidding! Pick one! You'll find a spectrum of them from inciting to riot, to violation of constitutional separation of powers, to aiding an abetting the enemy in war, to outright treason. If there were any justice left in America, he would be hung on the White House lawn.



---jerry6593 on 3/1/15


Scott quotes Justin Martyr to buttress Witchtowerite Russell's unbiblical day-age scheme. I show Justin's writing was Procrusteanly ("Dictionary!") misquoted. Scott ignores his "error".

I demonstrate Justin, from Scripture, held Jesus to be Jehovah. Scott ignores this. Regarding God's unbegottenness, Scott, again, quotes Justin out of context. Scott ignores his "error".

Scott, returning to his vomit, ignores Justin's lengthy argument, replaces Justin's 'Jehovah' with 'elohim', and disingenuously concludes "In God's word men, angels, Christ and Jehovah are all referred to as "Gods" (Elohim/Theos)."

Sorry, Scott, Justin's ch. 56 unequivocally states Jesus is Jehovah!
---Marc on 2/28/15


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\\ It was the godless democrat party and those who vote for them who gave us abortion in America. \\

Roe vs Wade was handed down by a mostly REPUBLICAN SC while Nixon was in office.

\\They also gave us the criminal president who sides with our enemies. \\

Please tell us specifically what crimes Obama has committed while in office.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/26/15


(Romans 9:14-18)
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!

For He says to Moses, I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.

So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.

For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.

Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
---David on 2/26/15


Com: "Why is the attention going so much to ISIS and President Obama, and not to the tyranny of attacking and killing unborn people?"


They are one and the same. It was the godless democrat party and those who vote for them who gave us abortion in America. They also gave us the criminal president who sides with our enemies.



---jerry6593 on 2/26/15


... why doesn't God intervene to protect the unborn Americans who are being slaughtered daily in the United States of America?
---com7fy8 on 2/25/15

What righteous thing could we do if GOD done them all? They are not dead to GOD. Only us.
It is a mark of the heart of the voters who voted for platform on this. Even mentioned his daughters. On the leaders who allow. And is on the ones who didn't vote but could have. I blame them more than the confused that voted. At least they are known as blind, lost, confused or biased.
What excuse does the voter have that didn't.
For that matter what are we not doing now that we could in a free country. Go to "nat'l write your congressman" instruct your servants.
---Trav on 2/25/15


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And, while we are at it, why doesn't God intervene to protect the unborn Americans who are being slaughtered daily in the United States of America?

Why is the attention going so much to ISIS and President Obama, and not to the tyranny of attacking and killing unborn people?

"God resists the proud," we have in James 4:6 and also in 1 Peter 5:5.

An evil group and a nation of slaughter can be used to resist each other.

If real Christians are being martyred . . . I think they and Paul are fine with departing to be with Jesus. Meanwhile, others stay here in this world the way it is.

So . . . who is better off ? ? ? :) Isaiah 57:1
---com7fy8 on 2/25/15


"You sent my son straight to heaven.-Cluny

(Revelation 6:9-11)
And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God, and for the testimony which they held.

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
And white robes were given unto every one of them, and it was said unto them that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants and also their brethren, who were to be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

---David on 2/25/15


Cluny: "So, jerry, you pick and choose which of God's commandments you observe."

I showed you how to answer a question truthfully. I did not pick or choose anything. I let the Bible do it. I think that your ability to learn is as stunted as your ability to read. Will you ever learn to be a Christian and explain your beliefs from scripture, rather than by childish taunts?


---jerry6593 on 2/25/15


Mahometan Jihadistas of ISIS abducted 90 Christian men, women, and children today in Syria.

Please pray for the victims, and that their kidnappers will be moved to repentance.

BTW, the mother of one of the Coptic martyrs said that she would love to meet her son's killer, take her into her home, and kiss him. "You sent my son straight to heaven. As for yourself, I pray that God will give you sorrow for your acts and love."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/24/15


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Yet it was from what some confuse as the "handwriting of ordinances" that Jesus used as the greatest commandments(Deu 11:13).
Were the commands to love your God and love your neighbor nailed to the cross as well, being from the "handwriting of ordinances" and not from the "finger of God?"
Remember that from those 2 "hung all" the law and the prophets.
Also, where does one get the idea that the ministration of death written in stone(2Co 3:7) is also written in heaven, since it was not perfect(Heb 8:7) and to be done away with(Heb 8:13)?
And yet it is written that the 2 royal laws of liberty are perfect(Jam 2:25) and that love will remain, even after faith and hope are gone.
---micha9344 on 2/24/15


So, jerry, you pick and choose which of God's commandments you observe.
---Cluny on 2/24/15

Do you? Pick and choose? Or follow all to the letter.
Are yours learned/adopted or written in place?

Heb_8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, write them in their hearts: I will be to them a God, they shall be to me a people:
Heb_10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, in their minds will I write them,
---Trav on 2/24/15


So, jerry, you pick and choose which of God's commandments you observe.

I thought so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/24/15


Cliff, God permits sinful acts of man to continue until the right time when there will be no more sin. Many times He intervenes and other times He lets it happen.
We have all be given a time to be born and a time to die. No one lives longer then what God permits. Every single thing will happen as God has ordained it to happen.
He knows the beginning and the end of all things. God is all knowing, and outside of time.
God is also Sovereign over all things.
---Luke on 2/24/15


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Cluny: "jerry, why do you think that references to God's commandments means only the Decalogue?"

Because they are the only ones He wrote with His own finger in stone. They were a copy of the ones in heaven, and were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant signifying their importance as the foundation of God's government. The other "laws" were called "the handwriting of ordinances", were written by Moses on parchment, and were placed outside the Ark (Deu 31:24-26). These were "nailed to the cross" (Col 2:14).

See how easy it is to answer a question truthfully? You should try it.



---jerry6593 on 2/24/15


Samuel, whenever St. Paul lists the commandments, there is always ONE conspicuous by its absence.

Furthermore, whenever I've mentioned commandments that are NOT in the Decalogue and asked if SDA follows them, I either get no answer, or I'm told (this was from Francis) that they need not be followed since they are not among the 10.

Why is this?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/15


References to the Commandments does not only mean the Decalogue.

But it certainly includes them. Why Cluny do you think GOD gave the Ten Commandments on stone if they were unimportant.


Rom 13:8,9

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Why does Paul make it a point to say these five of the Ten Commandments are to be followed?
---Samuelbb7 on 2/23/15


jerry, why do you think that references to God's commandments means only the Decalogue?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/15


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StrongAxe: The sense of my questions is to counter the argument (made by Cluny) that the 10C are no longer in force. If our love could fulfill the requirements of the 10C Law, then we would not need Jesus. Further, it is possible to murder or commit adultery with someone you love, so that love alone is not a sufficient guarantee of obedience to the 10C Law. Love is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for obedience.



---jerry6593 on 2/23/15


jerry6593:

You asked: Why do you think Cluny can't answer for himself?

I never said he didn't. However, a post posted publicly to a public forum is fair game for anyone to respond to.

If love truly fulfilled the Law, why is murder still with us?

If people won't obey a law like "love your neighbor", what makes you think they are more likely to obey "don't kill", "don't steal", etc.?
---StrongAxe on 2/22/15


The Bible says the Rain falls on the just and the unjust and it makes sense to me everything else would do the same thing. Sometimes what people see as a curse God turns it around into a blessing. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 2/22/15


"Why do you suppose that God does not intervene in the decapitating of 21 Christians by isis?" "The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's,
But the earth He has given to the children of men." Psa 115:16
---josef on 2/22/15


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In fact, I believe (not as doctrine, just personal belief) that the wounds of the martyrs and confessors (those tortured for Christ) are among the must stunning ornaments of Heaven.-Cluny on 2/21/15

Cluny
A beautiful thought, completely backed by the Bible.
(Revelation 20:4)
And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them. And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
---David on 2/22/15


StrongAxe: Thanks for your response, but it begs two more questions. (1) Why do you think Cluny can't answer for himself? (2) If love truly fulfilled the Law, why is murder still with us?

While I believe that Jesus' quoting of the OT scriptures about love to God and Love to man summarize the 10C Law, they in no way fulfill the purpose or penalty of the 10C Law. If they did, and your and Cluny's assertion were correct, then it would not be a sin to murder (or commit adultery with) someone we love. Remember that this same 10C Law is still in the Temple in Heaven, and the tables given to Moses were only a copy.



---jerry6593 on 2/22/15


The Coptic Orthodox Church has just inscribed the names of the 21 beheaded for Jesus's sake by ISIS into their calendar of Saints.

According to someone who watched the video carefully, they all died with the word, "Lord Jesus Christ" on their lips.

Glory to Him!
---Cluny on 2/21/15


David, I wouldn't even call death the beginning. IT's just a stage along the way.

However, I've been thinking. Seems to me that the Coptic New Martyrs and others beheaded for Jesus are wearing beautiful necklaces in Heaven.

In fact, I believe (not as doctrine, just personal belief) that the wounds of the martyrs and confessors (those tortured for Christ) are among the must stunning ornaments of Heaven.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/21/15


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Quite frankly, I don't know why God doesn't always fly in and save the day whenever evil people commit atrocities like this.-Jed on 2/18/15

Jed
When I look through the pages of time (the Bible), one thing comes into focus for me. That focus is on Gods selection process

Why did God chose Abram over his brothers? Why Jacob over Esau? Why Joseph over his brothers? Why Gideon? Why David? Why does God choose me, and not you, or you, and not me?

All these atrocities are part of that selection process. We look at death as the end, where as with God, death is the beginning.
---David on 2/21/15


jerry6593:

We have "love your neighbor as yourself", and if we obey that, we no longer need "don't kill", "don't steal", "don't perjure yourself", "don't commit adultery", etc. - because we will ALREADY not be doing any of those things.
---StrongAxe on 2/21/15


Samuel, when is the last time you sacraficed a bull or a ram on the high holy feasts? Also, do the females in your home have to sleep outside when they are menstruating?
---Jed on 2/20/15


Rom 13:8-10

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Here is what fulfilling the law means. We actually do what the law says.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/20/15


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Cluny: Please explain how "Thou shalt not kill." has been fulfilled, and why the Law against it has been eliminated.



---jerry6593 on 2/20/15


The pattern is clear, God does not intervene in any of man's plights and has not since Christ left earth !
Today 21,000 children will die of hunger and poverty ! Obviously God does not help !
---1stcliff on 2/20/15


"...To paraphrase Tevye from Fiddler on the Roof: "It's true that we're God's chosen people, but it might be nice if he chose somebody else once in a while". Being chosen is small comfort when you're being slaughtered by the millions. What good does being chosen do to those people?"
---StrongAxe on 2/18/15

It'll all come out in the wash* 'Axe, in God's way, at His appointed time! Is. 55:8-9 ~ *Rev. 7:13-15
---Leon on 2/19/15


Cluny:

You asked: Did the Father intervene in behalf of Jesus?

Jesus said he came here to die, and did so willingly. I think very few of the Holocaust victims laid their lives down willingly.


Leon:

To paraphrase Tevye from Fiddler on the Roof: "It's true that we're God's chosen people, but it might be nice if he chose somebody else once in a while". Being chosen is small comfort when you're being slaughtered by the millions. What good does being chosen do to those people?
---StrongAxe on 2/18/15


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Cluny, Get real, To die here was Christ's mission, It was not the mission of the 6 million to die for racist causes !

Consider this, from AD70 to 300 hundreds of Christians, whole families were slaughtered in the Roman arena for sport...again God did not intervene.....do you see a pattern here ?
---1stcliff on 2/18/15


'Axe: And your point is?
---Leon on 2/18/15


\\Cluny, There are those on here that still believe that the Jews are God's chosen people....but He didn't help them !
---1stcliff on 2/18/15\\

Did the Father intervene in behalf of Jesus?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/18/15


Leon:

You said: NOT TRUE! Jews are some of the most influential people on the planet. How do you suppose that came to be Cliff?

Yes, I am sure this fact was of great comfort to the six million as they were walking to the gas chambers...
---StrongAxe on 2/18/15


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Quite frankly, I don't know why God doesn't always fly on amd save the day whenever evil people commit attrocities like this. I have to think that He holds and grand plan that is beyond my understanding.

Perhaps a more relevent question is why are those humans who could put a stop to it do anything? Why is our president playing political games with innocent lives rather than stepping up and taking out the trash? In my experience, God steps in when miracles beyond human abilities are necessary. We have the ability to easily squash ISIS on our own, yet we don't act. Those who are able to something will surely be held responsible.
---Jed on 2/18/15


"Cluny, There are those on here that still believe that the Jews are God's chosen people....but He didn't help them !"
---1stcliff on 2/18/15

NOT TRUE! Jews are some of the most influential people on the planet. How do you suppose that came to be Cliff?
---Leon on 2/18/15


Cluny, There are those on here that still believe that the Jews are God's chosen people....but He didn't help them !
---1stcliff on 2/18/15

Looks to me like he might have. Hitlers dead.
More claiming to be Judeans (jews) live in Blessed America than anywhere in the world.
Where does it say in scripture that "jews" are GOD's chosen people?
You'll find multitudes of references to "Israel" which Judah makes only a 1/13th participant of.
Next who said they were jews? Themselves? Just because they say they are...does that make it so? You could call yourself a jew...could you prove it? Can they?
It is by marks and signs that scriptural subjects are known.
Christ did not flash his credentials.
---Trav on 2/18/15


They are among the souls beheaded for the sake of Jesus mentioned in Revelation.--Cluny

Hmmm...this though crossed my mind too. Beheading Christians is a defining characteristic of the tribulation period. Cluny may be on to something here.
---David on 2/18/15


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Why do people blame God for acts inspired by Satan?


Cluny: Please explain how "Thou shalt not kill." has been fulfilled, and why the Law against it has been eliminated.



---jerry6593 on 2/18/15


Cluny, There are those on here that still believe that the Jews are God's chosen people....but He didn't help them !
---1stcliff on 2/18/15


\\Cluny/ Leon, But then He did nothing for the more than ten years that the Nazis killed six million Jews,
They were not beheaded souls !
---1stcliff on 2/17/15\\

The Nazis didn't kill the Jews for their faith in Jesus, unless you have information that I don't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/15


Why do you suppose that God does not intervene in the decapitating of 21 Christians by isis?
---1stcliff on 2/16/15

Is this life better than the next one?
Why didn't he intervene with his own Son.
Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Mat 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
---Trav on 2/17/15


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From another post. Yes Cluny Jesus fulfilled the Law. He was the Messiah. But that does not do away with the law as Paul explains.


Rom 13:8,9

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So we obey the law in love. It is not done away with, it is completed in love.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/17/15


Cluny/ Leon, But then He did nothing for the more than ten years that the Nazis killed six million Jews,
They were not beheaded souls !
---1stcliff on 2/17/15


Good insight Cluny! :)
---Leon on 2/17/15


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