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Does God control all, some, or none, of our thoughts?

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Justin Martyr-

"There is said to be another God* and Lord subject to the Maker of all things, who is also called an angel, because he announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things...wishes to announce to them." 56

"He who is said to have appeared to Abraham, Jacob, Moses, and who is called God*, is distinct from Him who made all things...." Ibid

Agreed.

* In God's word men, angels, Christ and Jehovah are all referred to as "Gods" (Elohim/Theos) obviously without an indication of equality.
---scott on 2/28/15


\\ Most christians understand the bible using worldly knowledge instead of spiritual knowledge. \\

Just like you and your worldly denominational "church" do, Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/28/15


It's not the words themselves in the bible. Most christians understand the bible using worldly knowledge instead of spiritual knowledge. They understand the words of God using the head instead of the heart and spirit. They don't reach out to the Holy Spirit for true knowledge and understanding. Denominational christians hearts have waxed cold only understanding what the pastor says instead of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 13:14-23
John 12:40
Romans 3:11
1 Corinthians 12:3
1 Corinthians 13:2
Philippians 4:7
Colossians 1:9
2 Timothy 2:7
---Steveng on 2/27/15


Lying, cut-and-paste Scott misquotes Justin Martyr. Chapter 5 is discussing the begotten nature of souls, contrary to Plato and in contradistinction to God being alone unbegotten.

Lying, cut-and-paste Scott misquotes Justin Martyr. Chapter 56, supporting the Trinity, continues with "He who is said to have appeared to Abraham, Jacob, Moses, and who is called God, is distinct from Him who made all things."

Dishonest Scott, elsewhere accuses the early Church fathers of apostasy. Here, he partially uses them to "prove" his heretical Arianism. Scott, why are you so pathologically dishonest?
---Marc on 2/27/15


Trav, where I have "parroted" from (mindlessly repeated) any of these organizations? I do use CMI information because it is top quality. I made up the acronym's AMI and MIA to illustrate a point, and you have me "parroting" from them! Liar!

You dont know the KJV of today is not the original, as it has necessarily been updated over the centuries. Because of the worship of this archaic version (the love of those religious sounding old words-thee, thou) it probably, sadly, will never again be brought up to date regarding out of date word meanings. Show how bringing the KJV up to date with what the underlying Hebrew words actually mean (e.g.Hebrew 'male'=fill, not replenish) will negatively affect its truth.
---Warwick on 2/27/15




\\That's why it's perfect.\\

Which recension of the KJV is perfect, shira?

The fair copy delivered to the printer ("the KJV as originally written") and lost centuries ago?

The version actually printed with 14 changes ordered by the Abp of Canterbury on his own authority?

The 1769 English recension (not the same thing as the ERV of 1881)?

The 1904 ABS recension normalized according to American spellings?

With or without the Apocrypha?

Which is the "perfect" KJV, shira? And why?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/27/15


Justin Martyr-

"For God alone is unbegotten and incorruptible, and therefore He is God, but all other things after Him are created and corruptible." Dialogue with Trypho, 5

"There is said to be another God and Lord subject to the Maker of all things, who is also called an angel, because he announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things...wishes to announce to them." Ibid, 56


Cyprian-

"The first seven days in the divine arrangement contain seven thousand years" Treatises 11:11
---scott on 2/27/15


Scott,

Once again, robotically zealous to defend Brooklyn HQ, misquotes Justin. Chapters 80 and 81 mention a thousand years in order to establish the reign of Christians in Jerusalem and the resurrection. No where does Justin lend support to another of Witchtower Russell's wacky unbiblical day-age scheme.

BTW, is this the same Justin in his Dialogue (ch. 36) who proved that Jesus, from Psalm 24, is called Yahweh, Yahweh of Hosts, King of Glory? Is this Justin also the same who stated, referring to Psalm 98 et al, the Holy Spirit REPROACHES you and that He, the Holy Spirit, ANSWERS them that Jesus is the Lord of Hosts?
---Marc on 2/27/15


Justin Martyr-

"For as Adam was told that in the day he ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years [Gen. 5:5]. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression The day of the Lord is a thousand years [Ps. 90:4] is connected with this subject" (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 81 [A.D. 155]).
---scott on 2/27/15


\\ The King James cannot be improved because God wrote it.\\

shira, how can you say that? We know the names of the translators, so God could not have written it, as you childishly claim.

Did you know that when the KJV was first published, radical puritans called it "The Devil's Bible" and burned it in the street?

I'm saying NOTHING against the KJV, but it need no childish stories such as you believe to support it.

BTW, the KJV is NOT in "old English." Tudor and Jacobean dictions are MODERN English in an early form.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/27/15




..Besides, lingusitically it's more precise than today's English.
---Steveng on 2/26/15

Of the 19 translations today most complicate add or do away with whole context or sections of scripture.
KJV stands even with the few errors because years of research built on it. It has it faults and they are known.
Those that want an even newer version are trying to sell their doctrinal interpretations. Selling Bibles is profitable represents a huge market.
Notice that one proponent here was in marketing...and has his own pet interpretations.
2Pe_2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
---Trav on 2/27/15


\\How so is it "out of date" and "gives false meanings?\\

One place is in Acts, where a ship "fetched a compass," which doesn't mean getting a drafting instrument (navigational compasses didn't exist back then) but sailing in a circular route.

"Prevent" and "let" have swapped meanings.

And so it goes.

I'm saying NOTHING against the KJV itself, but what you are saying about it is simply not true, Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/26/15


Stephen, some are so KJV entranced, considering it the perfect translation, and attack any critic. It has the smell of obsession.

Today's KJV is not the original, having been necessarily updated a few times in the last 400 years.

Words change their meaning over time e.g. Genesis 1:28 "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth." When the KJV was first written the Hebrew 'male' was translated 'replenish' which then meant 'fill' while today 'replenish' has come to mean 'refill' giving the idea Adam and Eve had to refill the earth which lead to the falsehood of the Gap Theory.

Why learn old English? Why not adjust the KJV to correct modern meanings? Sacrilege?
---Warwick on 2/27/15


Samuel, I believe you have not done a study of God. What you need to do is to stop reading all other things and concentrate on learning who God is before you answer questions about God.
Do you even know that the death of Christ was ordained by God? Thou the man who killed Him did it out of their own sinful actions, all was ordained by God. God did not cause those man to sin, their actions were in God's plan.
Not even a drop of water can fall without the permission of God. He controls humans, nature, animals, the oceans. The actions of every planet, star, or anything that happens in the sky. All is under His control.
Do a study of God and you will learn many things you have not learned yet.
---Luke on 2/27/15


The JWs, a Brooklyn blow-in, "improves" upon the Bible's chronology and the first Christians by claiming the world is, what, billions of years old?

Theophilus (AD 115-181), bishop of Antioch, disagrees: "My purpose is to throw light upon the number of years from the foundation of the world, and to condemn the empty labour and trifling of these authors, because there have neither been twenty thousand times ten thousand years...the years are made plain to those who wish to obey the truth...From the creation of the world to the deluge were 2242 years. All the years from the creation of the world amount to a total of 5698 years, and the odd months and days."

Theophilus or Witchtowerites Scott and David? Too hard!
---Marc on 2/27/15


Men who changes God's Word are playing with danger. The King James cannot be improved because God wrote it. That's why it's perfect. Men think they are smarter than God. Isn't that a shame?
---shira4368 on 2/27/15


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Trav,... am not employed, in any manner by CMI, AMI, or MIA.
I also do not use the King James as it ...desperately needs a revision now.
---Warwick on 2/26/15

Fact is you parrot these organizations. If not for pay then for head pats. They make money off you.
You'd like to revise the KJV? Ha. You do anyway. Doesn't matter as you can never hide or revise what you cannot find being hidden from you. Truth. Ironically, in understandable. everyday English right in front of you. Understandably, it can't align with "your translation" doctrine.
Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 2/27/15


Warwick wrote: "I also do not use the King James as it is linguistically out of date and today gives false meanings. "

How so is it "out of date" and "gives false meanings?

Besides, lingusitically it's more precise than today's English. How many languages have you learned in school that old English can't be learned?
---Steveng on 2/26/15


Trav, I have told you, now twice, that I have no connection, or relationship with Ken Ham. And further that I am not employed, in any manner by CMI, AMI, or MIA.

I also do not use the King James as it is linguistically out of date and today gives false meanings. It has been revised many times over the years and desperately needs a revision now.

I note you can write English when you wish but often write gibberish.
---Warwick on 2/26/15


Trav,
I do not work for anyone and have no contact, in any way, with Ken Ham.
---Warwick on 2/25/15

Well, you don't comprehend the King James so simple english won't be a big help.
aig, cmi is not paying you? You labor for cmi and kenny$ doctrines for free we see.
They pay theirselves nicely. See that CMI and kenny had a merchandi$ing lawsuit going there for a while. Let see...ya brutha'$ suing ya brutha'$...merchandising the scriptures.
2Pe_2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
---Trav on 2/26/15


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Dear Luke

Yes GOD knows everything. Only He saved me by the blood of Jesus Christ.

But the word control states GOD causes everything to happen and chooses what everyone does. You stated before you do not believe that GOD causes people to commit sin. So my point is that GOD oversees all, knows all but allows us freedom to choose.

We must be convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit to turn to GOD. We do not just choose Him. He calls us.

That is what I read in the Bible.

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
---Samuelbb7 on 2/26/15


Samuel, Clearly, God is in control of all things, even your salvation, if you are saved right now it is because of God. If you are not, then maybe, one day He will save you, or He might not, and allow you to continue in your sins till the day you die.
What you teach today, God already knows. Why? Because He is God.



"Thou knowest my down sitting and mine uprising. Thou understandest my thoughts afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and are acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue but, lo, O Lord, Thou knowest it altogether"
---Luke on 2/26/15


Pelagius believed we could be saved on our own efforts apart from God's grace.
Orthdoxy says that we co-operate with God's grace, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do."
FWIW,...American evangelicalism tends towards (not the same thing as being) Pelagianism.
---Cluny on 2/25/15

WWM...its better to be free of both doctrinal/dogma collars.
This is where Steveng leaving both of your wide paths will find the narrow. While yourself think the flavor of the "orthodoc's" banner will save you.
Your P.C. Chaplain who is lukewarm believing neither, doesn't verify you. So his opinion FWIW, WWM wasn't worth much.
Luk_6:39,
Joh_4:36 he that reapeth receiveth wages,...
---Trav on 2/25/15


Trav, I fed your comments "Your (sic)welcome. My blessing, free o your "marks". Continual confirmation," through my 'gargleblox' mk.IV translator to see if it could make any sense of this! It said "Unknown language."

That you would connect me with Ken Ham shows you know nothing, but we knew that already. I do not work for anyone and have no contact, in any way, with Ken Ham. If you believe otherwise prove it or admit your error. Preferably in English.
---Warwick on 2/25/15


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Brilliant, StrongAxe, brilliant! Never thought about it like that. Problem is, I wonder if David and Scott could for a moment mull over your ineluctable logic.

Scott now reaches for his dictionary...i....n...e....l...u......
---Marc on 2/25/15


Scott, lost for words, uber-embarrassed by the following chutzpah-filled statements by his Brooklyn HQ, attempts to bury the evidence through distraction by rehashing (i.e. cut 'n' paste) anti-Semite West's political attack on Jews and their supporters.

Of course I may be wrong because "the evidences are overwhelming that the JWs [are] the collective channel of [Jehovah's] communication." (WT, 15/5/55) and "That remaining one religion is that of Jehovah's witnesses. It is not conceited for us to say that." (WT, 15/2/55)?

Of course it's not conceited, after all, you are God's only prophets.
---Marc on 2/25/15


David, from in hiding you wrote "Is Warwick telling us he is going to die in 24 hours? Warwick keeps telling us "day means 24hrs when it is combined with a number".

Yes David we will all die "one day" and the time of our death will most likely be noted and it will always be within the time-bounds of one 24hr day.

Figures of speech are a mystery to you aren't they.
---Warwick on 2/25/15


I believe that God has overall control of all things. And we see how He uses wrong people for His good purpose > for one example, Genesis 37-50.

I think there are thoughts that violate us > we did not decide to start them, and we did not choose to have them come with anger and fears and unforgiveness and bad and painful memories > they are a Satanic attack, and do not say, "excuse me".

Plus, there are love-dead thoughts for pleasure. Love would filter away the evil spirit of them. But we don't.

So, we need how God alone can correct us and make our character unavailable to wrong thoughts. We are not God, to do this ourselves > 2 Corinthians 3:5, Philippians 2:13, James 4:7, Hebrews 12:6-11.
---com7fy8 on 2/25/15


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Pelagius believed we could be saved on our own efforts apart from God's grace.

Considering the circumstances of St. Augustine's conversion and his previous life, it's understandable how he would have reacted so strongly against him.

Orthdoxy says that we co-operate with God's grace, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do."

FWIW, I once had a discussion with a Protestant hospital chaplain who agreed with me that American evangelicalism tends towards (not the same thing as being) Pelagianism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/25/15


Samuel Ibbb7 thank you for your positive input. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 2/25/15


Notice David ...without fear of contradiction! What a weak 'man' he is!
---Warwick on 2/24/15

To be so weak he seems to control you.
Where is your chain mail helmet in your picture posted online? Hospital shoes? You need to find your helmet. David has gotten in your anglican head. Remember: He who makes you mad controls you.
You've been under David and Scott's control a long time. JW'd and didn't even realize it.
Now you are even mad at CN. Wow.
Ur rabbi, ken ham makes about $200,000.00 per year, he'll be demoting you if you threaten his Non Profit (hireling)salary.
Joh_10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
---Trav on 2/25/15


Luke I read the Bible and love the word of GOD.

You say that GOD controls everything in one letter. Then say it is not so. In another letter.

You need to say what you mean clearly.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/25/15


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Cluny: 'Council of Carthage was not an Ecumenical Council'. Yes, that is true. It had, as far as I can tell, been the limit in how much Christians had felt we could not be controlled by God. That is why I brought it up.

Whether I did not properly understand exactly how Pelagius considered his view of free will I cannot say.

I am more on Augustus' view, and so I have not followed Pelagius' side. So I may have made a mistake in my statement
---Peter on 2/24/15


Scott beyond your usual deceit, bluster and hyperbole are you really claiming David did not get 4 or is it 5 posts after the 75 limit was reached, and the thread closed? And the last of these today, days after it closed. Is that what you are claiming Scott?

That's even a credibility stretch for you. What a wimp David is posting on a closed site so no one can contradict the poor little guy.

Yeah, you JWs are really impressive, not.

I have found the local variety of JW to be pathetic face to face when there is no way they can't dodge the facts. The last two spat the dummy and stormed out. Would you like to come and have a try?
---Warwick on 2/25/15


Samuel, to stand against the Bible, and what is written, you say,
"Luke your Calvinist means that GOD tells men to rape children."
Where did I say God tells men to rape children? Men rape children because they want to. God already knows what they will do. He only permits sin to continue, and men is guilty for his own sin.

"You make GOD cause and make men do all the terrible sins in the world and then punish people for what he forced them to do."
When you sin, does God make you? I don't make God do anything, He is God, you and I are only His clay. Some were made for honor and others for dishonor. You read it but you don't believe it.
What use is the Bible to you since you do not believe it?
---Luke on 2/25/15


Marc:

It IS somewhat hypocritical for JWs to criticize other Christian groups for having their own private interpretations of scripture, determined by their own leaderships - but then JWs themselves also have their own private interpretation of scripture, interpreted by JWs' own leadership.
---StrongAxe on 2/24/15


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"Tsk, tsk"- Christian Zionist Marc

I suppose we could consider the alternative:

"Christian Zionism: The Most Virulent and Hatred Driven Heresy"- Jim West, Professor of Biblical Studies:

"Christian Zionists, who speak...about love of Israel...are quicker to malign, misrepresent, and attempt to deceive concerning those with whom they disagree than Satan himself...

...Its best if some...dim Christian zionist tries to interact with you to ignore them and let them wallow in their own cesspool of vile Hagee-esque idiocy. They aren't interested in conversation [but] in hearing you say something which they can then distort...to demonize you and exalt their own heretical anti-christianity."
---scott on 2/24/15


Tsk, tsk, tsk, Warwick. Shame, shame, shame, Warwick. You should repent of your sin of criticising Scott's and David's wanting to have the last say. After all, "the evidences are overwhelming that the JWs [are] the collective channel of [Jehovah's] communication." (WT, 15/5/55)

And, Warwick, have you not read: "That remaining one religion is that of Jehovah's witnesses. It is not conceited for us to say that." (WT, 15/2/55)?

Shame, Warwick, you still don't know Scott and David ARE God's prophets on earth!
---Marc on 2/24/15


Trav, you wrote "Your welcome. My blessing, free o your "marks". Continual confirmation." I shall pass it through my 'gargleblox' mk.IV translator to see if it can make any sense of this!
---Warwick on 2/24/15


StrongAxe, we do not have a 'level playing-field' here as JWs such as David are able (by perverting the system or by the collusion of the Moderator/s) to have their say without fear of their lies being exposed.

Now, today, three days after the Day of the Lord thread blog was closed David has been allowed a fifth post.

That the Moderator/s will not comment suggests collusion. If David was perverting the system I believe they would be quick to point this out.

Notice David continues to post on the closed thread as that allows him to write his usual nonsense without fear of contradiction! What a weak 'man' he is!
---Warwick on 2/24/15


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"A JW run site." StrongAxe

I can guarantee that this is not the case. It is just a continuation of the strange anti-JW, conspiracy theory rhetoric that Warwick has droned on about for years.

I stopped taking him seriously long, long ago.
---scott on 2/24/15


Trav, thank you for your comments, off the mark and just as irrelevant as usual.
---Warwick on 2/24/15

Your welcome. My blessing, free o your "marks". Continual confirmation.
Hos_1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered, it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Gal_4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
---Trav on 2/24/15


Warwick:

It it is possible, for a blog that is nearly closed (e.g. 74 posts), to right-click "Reply to this blog" and open the reply in another window. One can do this several times to get several reply windows. One could then reply in each window, increasing the total above 75. I am not sure whether this would work or not.

Also, blog replies seem to be counted when they are posted to the blog, not when they are submitted. So if a blog has 74 posts, several people could reply, but none of the posts would appear until the moderators approved them, again giving more than 75 posts.

As far as this being a JW run site, I find that highly unlikely, given comments that moderators have made in the past.
---StrongAxe on 2/24/15


Trav, thank you for your comments, off the mark and just as irrelevant as usual.
---Warwick on 2/24/15


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Moderators, now you have allowed David the JW to post yet another blog on the Day of the Lord thread, two days after it had closed.
---Warwick on 2/23/15

I've been coming on here for years. They post everyone's post fairly. The few not posted of mine were not politically correct, on them not me.
Your whining is like fingernails on chalkboard making you look like a effem little boy whining on the playground.
It is notable and honorable that David is searching his scriptures. There are surely "Sheep" among the JW's un sought by you. You just keep recycling your scripturally weakened doctrines.
No Thanks but, wake up if possible.
Php_2:21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.
---Trav on 2/24/15


Luke your Calvinist means that GOD tells men to rape children. That GOD made some babies so that he could have other people kill them and then He could burn them in hell for all eternity for what He did to them.

You make GOD cause and make men do all the terrible sins in the world and then punish people for what he forced them to do.

In your view GOD makes me write that you are wrong and this view is vile and an attack on GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/24/15


God is in control of all things. He knows the thoughts and the actions everyone takes. Nothing is outside of His control. He is outside of time. He made this plan and not another. In His presence the plan is complete already. As for us who live in time, we know that everyone who was chosen before the foundation of the world will be saved. Their names have been written in the Book of Life.
People do not want to believe that, they want to be in control. They want freedom from God. They go as far as saying that God gave them that right. What they don't want to believe is that all who will be saved are already known by God. They cannot change the future.
---Luke on 2/24/15


\\Cluny: Sorry, I did not write that well. The was about the Council of Carthage, taken to be in AD418, which banned Pelagius' view that we, as individuals, can decide if we will follow God or not. \\

The Council of Carthage was not an Ecumenical Council, so it has no meaning for the Orthodox, though Orthodoxy repudiates Peleganism.

And I don't think his doctrine is as you have presented it here, but that's no matter.

Besides, you still could have rebelled against God and NOT repented.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/15


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Moderators, now you have allowed David the JW to post yet another blog on the Day of the Lord thread, two days after it had closed.

Have you lost control of your own website or do you extend the JWs special treatment. It must be one or the other.

Why do you refuse to be honest with us?

David rabbits on about Samuel 1:27 as though it breaks the 'day' with a number 24hr rule. What nonsense is this. We will all die 'one day.' Does David think we will die on two days?

Of course "I will die one day" can also be taken as referring to a particular but unspecified time in the future.
---Warwick on 2/23/15


Cluny: Sorry, I did not write that well. The was about the Council of Carthage, taken to be in AD418, which banned Pelagius' view that we, as individuals, can decide if we will follow God or not.

Now I know that the Orthodox church does not go as far as the Catholic or the protestand groups, and accepts a certain amount of personal choice in one's Christian life.

However, assuming that God creates everything, all the situations that put me into the situation that made me repent were created by God - so God put me in a situation where the only thing I could do was repent.

That is how I take it
---Peter on 2/23/15


\\For Geraldine's question on what God controls, the idea that all our thoughts are free was banned in 418.\\

What do you mean by this, Peter?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/15


Good point Darlene.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/23/15


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Steveng if you'll read my post again I said weak Christians are more likely to fall under Satan's influence but that doesn't mean Satan has power over Christians. All of God's warnings in the Bible are to remind Christians to be sold out to God and fully committed to serving God and obeying His Word so they will not be tempted by sin and place themselves in a position to let Satan get a foothold on them. The only power Satan can get over a Christian is what they give him by dabbling in sin. God warns we are to be hot or cold or He will spew us out of His mouth. God gave His people power over all the power of the enemy. Standing in it prevents Satan from getting his hands on a Christian. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 2/23/15


For Geraldine's question on what God controls, the idea that all our thoughts are free was banned in 418. However, this did not, as far as I know, ban the idea that our thoughts can be free, as long as we accept that God brings us to Himself.

So our thoughts, which are the second question, are more open. Here we have the problem that in Christian there is no 'chance' in our upbringing, so all that created our mind/soul was devised by God. As a result, God chose how my mind and soul would be.

So I consider that God controls my thoughts. I just do not know if He controls them directly or circumstantially. That I do not know, nor do I care
---Peter on 2/22/15


Haz, I do not know if anyone can pervert CN. JWs get the last say times 3 or 4, again and again, after the 75 limit has been reached. I also do not know whether JWs achieve that by deception or by the collusion of a moderator/s. Either way, it is up to CN moderators to stop any misuse and to cease colluding with the JWs, whichever is occurring.

The transparency, or lack thereof will show where Moderators sympathies lie.

Should the Moderators or management avoid transparency, and not take correct action then we can guess the truth. I am hoping for transparency and the assurance it will not occur again as I would like to believe this site is genuine.
---Warwick on 2/22/15


Darlene_1 wrote: "Satan is only the god(small letter note, limited power) of unbelievers-sinners not all earth nor its believers."

Not only to unbelievers, but the bible warns believers many times not to compromise their faith in Christ. Many warnings to christians who backslide:

Hebrews 6:4-6 (if they should fall away)
Jeremiah 3:22, 8:5, 14:7
Revelation Chapters 2 - 4
2 Peter 2:20-22
Luke 9:62
Hebrews 2:1-3
Zechariah 7:11
Proverbs 24:16
Mark 14:27-52
Matthew 24:11
Matthew 13:18-23 (read this very slowly)

Although a christian can repent and return to Christ.
---Steveng on 2/22/15


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Warwick. Is it possible that a message can still be posted several days after the 75 post limit if your computer is left on and the CN reply page left open?

If so then you to might be able to do the same by leaving a CN reply page open as it nears the 75 post limit.
---Haz27 on 2/22/15


Moderators, again a JW placed blogs (3-Day of the Lord thread), after the 75 limit was reached-commonplace and mostly by a JW. They are easy to contradict on a 'level playing field', but hard to expose when given improper advantage. David insists the Pro Veritate Report directs its comments regarding "Contemplative Prayer, directly to the C & MA church-lie,but you knowingly allow him to spew his drivel without fear of contradiction.

Shame on you!

Be honest: Is this a JW site?

If not why give obvious liars the right to do this?

If you choose to evade answering it will show you are akin to David who avoids difficult questions, any which expose his duplicity.

Moderator/s We await your answers!
---Warwick on 2/22/15


To keep Satan from planting evil thoughts or to expand evil thoughts that man has imagined, one must keep the words of God in their hearts continually. This is true especially in today's world where people are bombarded with evil every day. Satan has only a short time left before God intervines and is doing everything in his power to turn man against God. Many christians will fall prey to his antics and devises where even the elite, if that were possible, will fall away from the faith.

Protect yourself. Put on the whole armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil (Ephesians 6:10-18). Read the bible daily. Meet with ohter christians daily not once a week like the heathens do (Hebrews 3:13, James 2)
---Steveng on 2/22/15


\\ You are still blinded by Satan for he is the god of this world at the moment (2 Corinthians 4:4). \\

Let's see.

I quote the words of the Savior as given in the Holy Gospels, and Steveng says I'm blinded by Satan.

Does this make sense, boys and girls?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/22/15


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Steveng With respect to you but I would like to share some Bible verses Matthew 28:18 And Jesus spoke unto them,saying,All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Ephesians 1:21 is also a verse that shows Jesus has all power. Now concerning 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world has blinded minds of them which believe not,--. Satan is only the god(small letter note, limited power) of unbelievers-sinners not all earth nor its believers. That verse also tells us to be alert and resist him. That makes me know he can only get his hands on sinners or weak "Christians" who do not resist and stand firm in the faith and live by the Word of God. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 2/22/15


Cluny wrote: "The Bible tells me that ALL POWER in heaven and earth is given to Jesus, which leaves NOTHING for Satan."

You are still blinded by Satan for he is the god of this world at the moment (2 Corinthians 4:4). If it wasn't true then the world wouldn't be in such a mess as it is today. Satan is wrecking havoc that is somewhat of a trial to separate the true christians and the false christians. And since he has only a short time left, the destruction will only become exponentially worse. Will you, Cluny (and others), be able to endure unto the end or will you become a weak christian and fall away from the faith? Only when confronted with adversity will you absolutely know for sure.
---Steveng on 2/21/15


Does God control all, some, or none, of our thoughts? No.
Although both the Father and Satan influences thought, ["Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?"], neither of them controls our thoughts. We are instructed to bring "into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ." If our thoughts were controlled from without, the onus would not be on us. However it most be recognized and acknowledged that bringing our thought into captivity is only possible from within through the indwelling presence of Christ, (the Father,s burden removing, yoke destroying power).
---josef on 2/21/15


Cluny said it,all power in heaven and earth is given to Jesus and I agree to this Word of God. I would add the Bible also tells us we,God's people through Jesus and in the Name of Jesus have power over all the power of the enemy. God doesn't control us and neither does Satan. The only way Satan can be in our minds and our lives is if we sit down and give him the power to do it because that power belongs to us through and in Jesus Name,it is the Spiritual weapon of our warfare against the Devil. There is a battle between dark and Light and if we don't stand strong in the Light of the Lord we will be overtaken by that darkness of the Devil. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 2/21/15


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\\Not only has satan and his minions take control of the body's motor skills, he also has the ability to control the mind.\\

You should know, Steveng. He controls you and your worldly denominational "church".

I read the Bible decades before I was aware of your existence.

The Bible tells me that ALL POWER in heaven and earth is given to Jesus, which leaves NOTHING for Satan.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/21/15


You people surely have no idea how powerful satan is. Who do you think is controlling ISIS? Have you people not heard of demon possession?

Matthew 4:24 (lunatic)
Matthew 8:16, 28
Matthew 9:32 (dumb)
Matthew 12:22

Not only has satan and his minions take control of the body's motor skills, he also has the ability to control the mind.

Have any of you even read my verses or even the bible? Try reading 2 Thessalonians 2:2 very slowly.

To keep your mind from being deceived by satan, the bible says that it is important to keep the words of God in your hearts, meditate on God's words and do God's word.
---Steveng on 2/21/15


Good point Cluny.

We need Christ in our hearts and heads to keep Satan out. We need to put on the helmet of Salvation to protect us from evil thoughts.

Satan does not put them in us. When we look around us and what is pushed by TV and the media it pulls our thoughts to the wrong.

James 4:1
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
---Samuelbb7 on 2/20/15


Jerusalem:

You wrote: We have the mind of Christ. :]

While this is the ideal, given all the disagreement, arguments, cat-calling, and downright vilification from one set of Christians to another (even on these blogs), one tends to wonder.
---StrongAxe on 2/19/15


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We have the mind of Christ. :]
---Jerusalem on 2/19/15


\\ As for Satan, the mind is Satan's playground. \\

Speak for yourself, Steveng.

YOUR mind may be Satan's playground, but the Bible tells me to lead every thought captive to Christ and to be transformed by the renewing of my mind.

Does not your worldly denominational "church" teach these things?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/19/15


Steveng, if "the mind is Satan's playground"! why doesn't God banish Satan?
---Geraldine on 2/19/15

Geraldine: God has banished Satan! He is a defeated adversary. God has given us the ability (free will) to resist the devil so that he'll flee from us. IT IS WRITTEN...
---Leon on 2/19/15


Steveng, if "the mind is Satan's playground"! why doesn't God banish Satan?
---Geraldine on 2/19/15


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God is surely able to control our thoughts, but he doesn't because he wants us to love him as our choice. We are not robots.

As for Satan, the mind is Satan's playground.

II Corinthians 3:14
II Corinthians 4:4 (the god of this world is Satan)
II Corinthians 11:3
I John 2:11
John 13:2
Proverbs 24:9
Proverbs 30:32

Satan takes advantage of our thoughts. He has blinded many people to the truth and decieved many and it all begins in the mind. Satan enlarges the seed of an evil thought. Who puts evil thoughts in the minds of men (Matthew 15:19)?

2 Thessalonians 2:2
---Steveng on 2/18/15


Well said, Cluny.


---jerry6593 on 2/19/15


Cluny, This time you're right,every day we make hundreds of "choices"
wrong choices cause our problems!

Deut.30 19 "I have set before you life and death,blessings and curses. Now choose life that you and your children may live."
---1stcliff on 2/18/15


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