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Where is the Scripture that authorizes the change of the sanctity of the Sabbath day to the Sunday?

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Correcting our children isn't the same as judging. You are given the position of teacher/trainer to those children and without correcting the wrong behavior they will never learn the right behavior. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/17/15


WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE???

I'm still waiting......



---jerry6593 on 3/18/15


Thank you for not judging me Darlene. But the Ten Commandments have always been for the world. Think about it. As you read Exodus 20 the commandments are wrong for all people. Why is it not a sin for Gentiles to worship false gods, make idols, misuse the name of GOD. To hate their parents, murder, commit adultery, steal, lie and covet are sins period. The law convicts the world of sin. that is it's job. Romans 3:19,20

Romans 3:31 says the law is established. As you point out it is written in our heart under the New Coveant. Romans says it is good,holy, just. Romans 7:12

If there is no law there is no sin nor need of a Savior.

Tell me why is it wrong for Christians to break nine of the Ten Commandments?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/18/15


Many christians believe that christians are not to judge. What about righteous judging? How are we to discipline our children if we don't judge what they are doing?
---Steveng on 3/17/15


Samuelbb7 You've never seen me judge you that is between you and God. The Ten Commandments were never given to Gentiles. Jesus gave us as Gentiles two commandments to love God and our neighbor. I've never said the essence of the Commandments are done away with but instead they have been summed up in the Law of Love and Christs Gospel leads us in our behavior but we are not bound by specific Numbered commandments given to the Jews. The Commandments were fulfilled in Christ and the Old Covenant has passed away. Christ,his birth,the only Word of God made flesh God's son,born of woman,preached to Jews,crucified,buried risen the third day,sits on the right hand of God and through Christ the New Covenant which is written on our hearts. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/17/15




There is nothing wrong with obeying the fourth commandment. However, there are two common errors that many sabbatarians frequently fall into:
1) Believing that they are JUSTIFIED by keeping the law
2) Judging others for not keeping the fourth commandment

(I agree that it is wrong to judge ALL sabbatarians with these errors)
---StrongAxe on 3/17/15

You are correct some Sabbatarians do fall into those errors. They are false doctinal stands.

I do not agree with either of those points. Thank you and GOD be with you.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: it is funny to hear that Christians should not judge people about Holy Days when many here have declared me a lost apostate sinner because I believe I should obey the fouth commandment.

There is nothing wrong with obeying the fourth commandment. However, there are two common errors that many sabbatarians frequently fall into:
1) Believing that they are JUSTIFIED by keeping the law
2) Judging others for not keeping the fourth commandment

Likewise, "I believe I should be a vegetarian" is a valid belief, while "I believe everyone must be a vegetarian, and those who aren't are sinners" is not.

(I agree that it is wrong to judge ALL sabbatarians with these errors)
---StrongAxe on 3/17/15


Cluny wrote: "That's a misquote, jerry."

And Jesus personally told you?

Cluny wrote: "What Jesus actually said..."

How do you know?

Cluny wrote: "Did Jesus fulfill all the law or not?"

Yes, but not in the way you think. He fulfilled it by DOING it.
---Steveng on 3/16/15


Darlene it is funny to hear that Christians should not judge people about Holy Days when many here have declared me a lost apostate sinner because I believe I should obey the fouth commandment.

The problem with your quote is, it is taken out of context.


Colossians 2:17

Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.

The Seventh day Sabbath if you read the Commandment is a memorial of Creation. Not a shadow pointing to Christ.

But I still agree about not judging. Do you?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/16/15


This is how the Bible speaks of the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat,or in drink,or in respect of an holy day,or of the new moon,or of the Sabbath days. 20 Wherefore if you be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,why as though living in the world,are you subject to ordinances,21(Touch not,taste not,handle not,which all are to perish with the using)after the commandments and doctrines of men. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/16/15




See the Sermon on the Mount, jerry.

Especially the Beatitudes.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/15


What law do you think God writes on the heart in the new covenant?
---jerry6593 on 3/16/15

The Law of Liberty and the Law of the Spirit. Not the Law of death.

2 Cor 3:3 "being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts"

Col 2:14 "having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us, and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross"

Heb 8:13 "When He said, A new covenant, He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear"
---Mark_Eaton on 3/16/15


...your non-Orthodox religion is based on what the Bible leaves out.
...on the heart in the new covenant? He calls it "My Law".
---jerry6593 on 3/16/15

Heb_8:10 ... covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:...

"my laws"..."their" mind..."their" hearts...

Honoring that all you guys search..., can't help but notice that you both avoid/leave things out where it can't link your belief's. Notable is "Who" this law was given too in both Covenants. By avoiding a truth you both presume to honor "Truth"?
You accuse Cluny, then do the similar.
---Trav on 3/16/15


Cluny: "This is a distinction that the Bible itself nowhere makes."

I see that your non-Orthodox religion is based on what the Bible leaves out. Like the blog question: Where is the Scripture that authorizes the change of the sanctity of the Sabbath day to the Sunday? Have you found it yet?

Maybe you can answer the questions I asked StrongAxe:

What law do you think God writes on the heart in the new covenant? He calls it "My Law". Do you think that it too was "fulfilled" (i.e. "destroyed" and not applicable to Christians?) It surely can't be "love thy neighbor", because you display very little of that.


---jerry6593 on 3/16/15


StrongAxe: "Then please explain, specifically, how you can harmonize "some keep some days holier than others, while some keep all days equally holy" with keeping the Sabbath."

Simple. The context here is the observance of feast day "Sabbaths", meat offered to idols, etc., and not the weekly seventh day. The seventh-day Sabbath is a memorial of Creation, and by its observance, we show allegiance to the one, true, Creator God. Who do you show allegiance to by the observance of Sunday?


---jerry6593 on 3/16/15


\\True the cerenmoial parts of the law which pointed to the Sacrifce of Jesus no longer apply as also the Goverment regulations. But the Moral law applies. See John Wesley sermons on the Ten Commandemnts. \\

This is a distinction that the Bible itself nowhere makes.

It's all of one piece: The Law.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/15


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Yes JESUS fulfilled the law. But that does not mean he did away with the law for that would make him contridict himself.


Matthew 5:17

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Many make fulfill equal to destroy which makes this truth nonsense.

The law cannot save us. See Galations. Romans 3. We need Jesus to save us. The law tells us we are sinners and tells us what is sin. Galations 3:24 Ijohn3:4

True the cerenmoial parts of the law which pointed to the Sacrifce of Jesus no longer apply as also the Goverment regulations. But the Moral law applies. See John Wesley sermons on the Ten Commandemnts.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/15/15


jerry6593:

You said: I would interpret them in a manner that would not contradict either his own or Christ's words.

Then please explain, specifically, how you can harmonize "some keep some days holier than others, while some keep all days equally holy" with keeping the Sabbath. Furthermore, how can you justify constantly arguing about this issue with "let no man judge you in ... keeping the sabbath or holy day". If we don't judge one another about this, there's no point in constantly arguing about it, is there?
---StrongAxe on 3/15/15


StrongAxe: "I quoted Paul's exact words. How would YOU interpret them?"

I would interpret them in a manner that would not contradict either his own or Christ's words. The error you and Cluny are making is assuming that "the law" includes the 10C. If it did, then Christ was wrong to say that they would last as long as heaven and earth, and Paul was wrong to say "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law" -Rom 3:31.

I'm curious, what law do you think God writes on the heart in the new covenant? He calls it "My Law". Do you think that it too was "fulfilled"?



---jerry6593 on 3/15/15


\\ Jesus said that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law while heaven and earth remain, \\

That's a misquote, jerry.

What Jesus actually said was that one jot or tittle of the law (which did not mean just the Decalogue) until ALL was fulfilled.

Did Jesus fulfill all the law or not?

Yes or no, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/15


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jerry6593:

You said: you claim that Paul said that it has passed away - thus contradicting Christ Himself and becoming a blasphemer.

I quoted Paul's exact words. How would YOU interpret them? I wrote down the two possible ways of interpreting them in my previous message (i.e. either we are bound to still keep the Sabbath, or we aren't). Which of those two conclusions would YOU reach? Or do you have a third possibility where we can have the Sabbath and eat it too?

Paul speaks a lot about the Law being done away with. Is he a blasphemer too?
---StrongAxe on 3/14/15


Good point Jerry

Strongax you could be misunderstanding Paul. I have to compare scriptrue and see how to understand him.

But you say you do not have to compare scipture and just say you understand what he is saying.

Steveng that is not a Rehtorical question. It is a good question. There were a number of Holy days called Sabbath. Then there was the Sabbath which is the seventh day of every week.

The Seventh day Sabbath is from the Ten Commandments Exodus 20 based on Genesis 2.

If any person wishes to keep the Cerenomial ones as I have meet Messanic Christians often do. That is fine. But they are not based on Genesis and shown to Adam the father of all human beings.

Hope this helps.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/14/15


A rhetorical question: what's the difference between "a" sabbath and "the" sabbath? (both being used in the bible)
---Steveng on 3/13/15


StrongAxe: I think that it is you who confounds Paul's writings. Jesus said that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law while heaven and earth remain, and you claim that Paul said that it has passed away - thus contradicting Christ Himself and becoming a blasphemer.

You also assert that Paul taught that we were not under the Sabbath Commandment, and yet he strictly kept the Sabbath himself. Thus you make him an hypocrite.

Peter wrote that Paul's writings were hard to understand. As a Pharisee, he knew that his use of the term "the law" was to be understood in context. The "law" that we are no longer under is the levitical law of sacrifices - not the 10C. Read the book of Hebrews.

---jerry6593 on 3/14/15


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Samuelbb7:

You said: Your understanding is based on you saying it does and takes presidence over all the rest of scripture.

I cannot agree to that.


There are only two possibilities here:
1) Paul is right. In this case, we are no longer bound to any specific holy day.
2) We are still bound to keep the Sabbath, which means Paul is wrong. In this case, Paul is not inspired, and all of his writings are therefore suspect.

So which is it?
---StrongAxe on 3/13/15


I consider Paul to be inspired which is why I do not judge those who do not keep Sabbath.

I know some Adventist who do judge those who keep Sunday but that is not me and my church is opposed to it.

What Paul said must be judged in relationship to all scripture. A point you said you agreed on. But since you feel that not all scripture on this point must match then why are you upset that I disagree with you?

You see the Sabbath was given to Mankind at creation as clearly stated in Genesis, Exodus and by Jesus. So I do not see how the words of Paul can contridict scripture.

Your understanding is based on you saying it does and takes presidence over all the rest of scripture.

I cannot agree to that.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/13/15


Samuelbb7:

GOD stated we are to have a special Holy day. Why do you say that is false?

Actually God told the JEWS to observe a special holy day. Much later, Paul said that some observe some days as holier than others, and others observed all days as equally holy - and this is fine. He also said we should not judge each other concerning sabbaths and holy days.

So, do you not consider Paul to be inspired?

Because it sounds like you are judging those who keep Sunday rather than Saturday - otherwise, this would not be as big an issue as you make it out to be.

Point 3.

No. But we have no responsibility or control over the actions of others, only our own.
---StrongAxe on 3/13/15


Strongax I asked you to prove by comparing scripture with scripture what you teach. Your answer is no. You will not do that. Why? You agreed a doctrine must match all scripture.

You make three statements.

1. We are not bound to keep one day holy.

2. We can keep all days holy.

3. we are not to judge others on their Sabbath or not keeping.

The Bible says on a special Holy day we are not to work but spend the day in a special way with GOD. Are you rich enough to do that?

GOD stated we are to have a special Holy day. Why do you say that is false?

Point 3. True we are not to judge others. But many here have judged me for keeping Sabbath. So why is that okay?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/13/15


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Samuelbb7:

You said: Stong Ax you did not answer.

What is there to answer? God gave Israel certain commands observing the Sabbath, but so what? From the verses I showed you, it doesn't matter - we are not bound to keeping one particular day (e.g. the Sabbath) holy, we can keep all days equally holy. Plus, nobody is to judge us on keeping the sabbath, or any other holy days.
---StrongAxe on 3/12/15


Isiah 66:23 is about the Seventh day Sabbath.

Rember 2Tim 3:16 all Scripture is in inspired by GOD and and profitable for doctrine.

Isaiah 56:6
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

We take hold of the New Covenant in Christ. The Covenant made with Israel.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/12/15


Can I get some assistance ...

I do not think my comments to Leon, my comments on my family tree, my comments about the President,... I have asked Leon and he is reluctant to explain.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/10/15

He played you with your help. Your unashamed heritage doesn't owe an explanation. His heart is like his master who studied hate under j wright 22 years. You cannot change a dedicated, committed heart of hate.
The more you showed your Heb 8:10 heart the worse your truths became. Good heart... search more scripture. Play with hate you'll get some on you.
Pro_9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
---Trav on 3/12/15


On Sunset Friday night we welcome in the Sabbath. We pray and eat and study the Bible or watch a sermon.

Sabbath Morning I teach a class of Adults this quarter we are studing Proverbs.

Then we have church till I go home, We eat spend time toghether sometimes watch nature shows or study. When my wife is well enough we go help some people by taking them food and other things they need. When she is not we watch some nature shows until sunset.

Sunday is a work day for me.
Stong Ax you did not answer.
Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/12/15


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Saturday - the day of personal enjoyment. Denominational christians think that one hour a week on Sunday is just enough
---Steveng on 3/10/15

Saturday is not a day of enjoyment for me. Saturday is a day of work around my house taking care of things that I cannot do during the work week. Saturday is also a day for other-centered service to neighborhood and community.

Sunday is my day of rest and of personal enjoyment.

I meet with other Believers (typically) on Sundays, Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. My worship, adoration, and thanksgiving to Father, Son, & Spirit takes place every day.

And I am a Denominational Christian!
---Mark_Eaton on 3/12/15


Great point Steveng.

Not that is a great point and good question Strong ax.

If my understanding of scripture causes conflicts with other passages of scripture then I am wrong.

So I must look at scriptures like the ones you present and see if I can reconcile them together. Agreed that is very fair.

Let me ask you to do the same thing. Reconcile the scriptures that I have presented with your scriptures and understanding then tell me how you do this.

Agreed?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/11/15


"micha9344 posts some scriptures that speak of Sabbath as being for all nations."-Samuelbb7 on 3/10/15
-That's funny. I thought I posted scripture that said monthly (in the new moons), weekly (in the Sabbaths), daily(new moon to new moon and Sabbath to Sabbath), and yearly (year to year).
-This was spoken to tribes of Israel and written in Hebrew, so one would expect to see Sabbath used for week.
-Telling of future events by no means implies the commands meant strictly for Israel (Exo 31:16) continue. It is even written that they are old about to be removed (Heb 8:13).
---micha9344 on 3/11/15


The Sabbath is especially relevant today. Today's christians are inundated with the cares of this world that they don't have time for God. Their hectic lifestyles are spent with family, friends, job, church, school, shopping, computers, video games, TV, entertainment, vacations, exercising, and a host of other personal activities. Meeting daily, as commanded in the bible, is an infringement of their daily personal routine especially when it involves Saturday - the day of personal enjoyment. Denominational christians think that one hour a week on Sunday is just enough to make people believe they are christians.

When do they find the time to truly walk and seriously communicate with God? When do you?
---Steveng on 3/10/15


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Samuelbb7:

You wrote: But should a doctrine be based only one one scripture? Should we not base our doctrine on all scripture 2tim3:16?

Of course. But then again, unless one believes that one scripture can contradict another, there should be no incompatibility between two different scriptures, can there? Also, by making such a BIG DEAL about this issue, you're essentially judging others for their choices of days of worship - which contradicts those very two scriptures I quoted.
---StrongAxe on 3/10/15


We are to worship GOD every day. But GOD in the Ten Commandments set aside the Seventh day of the week as a special time for rest and worship.

No setting of Sunday is ever done so.

micha9344 posts some scriptures that speak of Sabbath as being for all nations.

60 times the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament and Paul is preaching and teaching to jews and greeks a number of those times.

Strongax says any day is fine based on his understanding of Romans14:5

But should a doctrine be based only one one scripture? Should we not base our doctrine on all scripture 2tim3:16?

Should we base a day of worship on no scripture at all?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/10/15


The Bible says that the Sabbath is made for man not man for the Sabbath. Doesn't it also say judge no man in his Holy Days or Sabbath? If we keep one day as our Day of Rest that is what Sabbath was given for. I wonder if thats one reason that Christians began to meet on the fist day of the week to honor Christ because He arose then but also to leave the Sabbath as a Day of Rest as God intended it to be. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/10/15


//First day from Sabbath is mentioned only eight times in the New Testament. Sabbath many times//
The apostle to the gentiles and the boC mentions the Sabbath one time,(Col 2:16)and it has nothing to do with worship
//Where are we told Christians are to meet on Sunday?//
Where are we told "Christians" are to meet on Saturday?
It's a sad situation If one believes Saturday or Sunday is the only day to worship.
---michael_e on 3/10/15


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There is no scripture that authorizes "Sunday" as a day of worship.
There is also no scripture that authorizes "Saturday" as a day of worship.
But there are these:
Eze 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Zech 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
---micha9344 on 3/10/15


Since the coming of the Savior, which day do we get to keep in an unholy and profane manner that we may live according to the desires of our own hearts?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/10/15


Samuelbb7:

You asked: Still no one has answered the question for this site. What Scripture authorizes Sunday as the day of worship?

Nobody needs to. We can worship any day we please:

Romans 14:5
"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

Colossians 2:16
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"
---StrongAxe on 3/10/15


Act 2:46
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

So every day bread is broken. First day of the week starts Saturday at Sunset. That meant this meeting was on Saturday since Paul preached till midnight then Sunday Morning left on a journey.

Why would Jews not keep Sabbath? They argued about circumcision but not Sabbath why?

First day from Sabbath is mentioned only eight times in the New Testament. Sabbath many times. Why?

In History you are incorrect. Research shows Sabbath was still kept for over 300 years.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/10/15


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Cluny GOD rested for us. That is why the Seventh day Sabbath is the only Sabbath that is part of the Ten Commandments.

The others as Colosians 2 points our were Shadows pointing to Jesus. But the Sabbath is a memorial of Creation. Hebrews 4 also says it points to our rest in heaven.

Still no one has answered the question for this site. What Scripture authorizes Sunday as the day of worship?

Where are we told Christians are to meet on Sunday?

The RCC said in the past they changed it. But Cluny knows that is a false claim. But Sunday worship is based on tradition from Church authority. Not from Scripture.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/10/15


Samuelbb7,

Are you deliberately being ignorant?

Paul and other apostles did reach out to the Jews on Sabbath days. However, Paul rebuked Peter (Galatians 2:11-21) for enjoying freedom in Christ, but then pretending to still be bound to the Law when Jews from Jerusalem arrived.

Christians have always celebrated The Lords Day NOT the Sabbath. And the Lords Day, including communion, was always celebrated on the first day of the week on SUNDAY. "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread" (Acts 20:7).

This verse clearly proves that weekly, on the first day of the week (Sunday), Christians celebrated the resurrection of Christ including communion and worship services.
---Lutherist on 3/9/15


By Gods grace we learn that we are not under any commandment to observe holy days or sabbath days to honor God (Col 2:16-17). We have peace with God through the death of Jesus Christ.

The Sabbaths given to Israel were a shadow of their coming Messiah and kingdom rest. Since we do not wait for a kingdom but are now members of the body of Christ we are told to redeem the time (Eph 5:16).
---michael_e on 3/9/15


"the LORD of the SABBATH" (Mk 2:28)

Lutherist
No it is not bogus. You have not presented a scriptural reason for your statement.

Where in Scripture does it say the First day of the week is the Lord's day? That claim is bogus.

So the Apostles were not Christians?


Act 17:2

And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act 18:4

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Where does it say the Apostles quit keeping Sabbath?

I see you point out in Mark that the Sabbath is the Lord's day.

Colsians 2:18 will get back to you.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/9/15


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\\Cluny I would like to ask you to be more specific why the Leviticus 23 statement does not apply to the Seventh day Sabbath.\\

The context is talking about the weekly Sabbath that occurs during a Festival week.

Don't forget that Jewish feasts of the Old Law were celebrated for a week.

Also the first and last days of these feasts were considered Sabbaths.

Why does the SDA pick and choose about which of God's Sabbaths they observe?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/9/15


Cluny I would like to ask you to be more specific why the Leviticus 23 statement does not apply to the Seventh day Sabbath.

But I will also that down through history there have been those who do rest on the Sabbath day of Saturday and have church worship on Sunday. So your theory has had some backing in history.

This actually makes my point more difficult. But when I have read about these people I cannot say they are breaking Sabbath. Which puts them on what I consider my side of the discussion.

Agape to you.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/9/15


\\The Holy Convocation from Leviticus is on every Seventh day Sabbath. We today call them worship services.
\\

I disagree.

Besides, traditional Jews have DAILY services. In fact, twice daily.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/9/15


Do you realize Cluny every Jew in the world and the actions of Jesus say you are incorrect?

The Holy Convocation from Leviticus is on every Seventh day Sabbath. We today call them worship services.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/9/15


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But this was NOT on the weekly sabbath, Samuel.

My point is that the Sabbath commandment, as given in the Decalogue, did not command worship.

And I've noticed that other SDAs on here say that if it's not in the 10, it's not binding.

You seem to be proving them wrong.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/15


Seriously???

Do ANY OF YOU realize that the actual question on this blog is BOGUS!

SUNDAY is "The Lord's Day", and is referred to as exactly that in the New Testament.

SUNDAY has NEVER been a replacement day for the Sabbath. The "SABBATH" was never celebrated by Christians... NOT EVER!

That's because Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath promise for God to SANCTIFY us through His own offering.

Jesus IS... "The substance of the sign of the SABBATH (Col 2:16-17) and "the LORD of the SABBATH" (Mk 2:28)

Please try to open your minds just a little.
---Lutherist on 3/8/15


Cluny the RCC claims that power and in the west we often accept their claim. Not remembering they were still part of the Orthodox and there was only one church at the time. So both have the responsibility for having changed the day.


Lev 23:2,3

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation, ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Yep GOD commanded them to have worship on Sabbath. That is what a convocation is for.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/8/15


Lutherist wrote: "Steveng, Can you read? "And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,.."

OK, so let's reason this out.

Moses, the Israelites and the Gentiles didn't exist on the seveth day of creation when God santified that day. Besides, the forth commandment is the only commandment that began with "Remember" (something happening in the past).

As for the sabbath days, there are many different types of sabbaths, but one that ssys "the" sabbath.

As an end-time prophesy that says "the" sabbath still exists is that we must pray that our journey isn't on the sabbath nor in the winter. So, therefore, "the" sabbath still exists in the end days.
---Steveng on 3/8/15


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But Michael and Cluny you ignored the passage that says we will worship on Sabbath. Isiah 66:23

You ignored what Jesus did.


Mark 1:21,22

And they went into Capernaum, and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.
And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.


Luke 4:16

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

By your point. People should now worship on Sunday either.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/8/15


Paul wrote that we don't to observe any days as special any more. We may if we wish to, but it is voluntary.
---learner2 on 3/8/15


\\The catholic church instituted sunday as their sabbath day and her daughters followed and continue to observe this day which is not found in holy scriptures as a "holy" day of any kind.
---KevinMc1975 on 3/7/15\\

Then why do ancient apostolic churches that had NOTHING to do with Rome observe Sunday as the principal day of worship?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/15


Steveng,

Can you read?

"And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, Speak also to the children of Israel, saying, Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I AM THE LORD WHO SANCTIFIES YOU.

You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death, for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.

Work shall be done for six days, BUT THE SEVENTH IS THE SABBATH OF REST, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 31:12-15)
---Lutherist on 3/8/15


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Why did God rest on the seventh day?

Being omnipotent, He couldn't possibly have been tired.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/15


Matthew 28:1 - In the end of the sabbath,as it began to towards the first day of the week,came Mary magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher,

( It come out of this verse - How - exactly - I forget, )
---RichardC on 3/8/15


Lutherist wrote: "...God established the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath. It was a sacred sign to Israel,...

Israel didn't exist on the seventh day. It was for all who God already created.
---Steveng on 3/7/15


//Jews did not worship a false god.// Read Acts 2:36
Acts 3:13-15
The holy days formed a prophetic calendar for Israel whereby they could determine when God would fulfill his covenant promises. In the dispensation of Grace we don't have to wait for future salvation we have now the atonement (Rom 5:11).
Not once a week but every day is a day of opportunity to learn about and worship God, his purpose to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, and to be thankful in all things.
Most live their lives in monotony and ritual receiving a spiritual boost when it shows up on the calendar. By a knowledge of Gods grace our inward man has the privilege to be renewed day by day (2 Cor 4:16).
---michael_e on 3/7/15


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There is not one scripture in all of the holy books that authorizes sunday as the sabbath day.

Likewise there are no scriptures that abolish the sabbath day, and those who claim this dismiss Jesus as their saviour afterall HE IS LORD of the Sabbath.

The Lord Jesus Christ is Lord of the Sabbath and the sabbath day is and always has been the last day of the week.

The catholic church instituted sunday as their sabbath day and her daughters followed and continue to observe this day which is not found in holy scriptures as a "holy" day of any kind.
---KevinMc1975 on 3/7/15


Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Does this command WORSHIP or REST FROM LABOR or everyone, including slaves and farm animals?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/7/15


We must understand the complete meaning of the Sabbath. God established the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath. It was a sacred sign to Israel, that He alone would make them holy, sanctify them. On the Sanctification Day, doing any work, no matter how trivial was a most grievous sin punishable by death (Exodus 31:12-15).

There remains a Sabbath rest for Christians (Hebrews 4:9-10). However, this Sabbath is not linked to a day of the week. It is linked to our resting completely in what Christ did for us.

Just as it was absolutely mandatory for Israel to rest in the sign of God's promise to make them holy, Christians must rest completely in Christ. Christ fulfilled the Sabbath promise by making us holy, through FAITH.
---Lutherist on 3/7/15


Constantine didn't abolish the Sabbath for us, Paul did.
---learner2 on 3/7/15


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Actually Constantine was overtly anti-Semitic and forbid holding saturday as a special day because it was the Jewish Sabbath
Being a priest of "Sol" the sun god commanded sunday as a holy day !
---1stcliff on 3/6/15


If you love me keep my commandments. There are many verses in the NT relating to the ten commandments. Same laws but in the OT they were of a physical nature, in the NT a spiritual nature.

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When God santified the seventh day there were no Israelites or Gentiles.

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Jesus set an example about living a christian life. He obeyed the sabbaths and taught and healed every day.
---Steveng on 3/6/15


Lerner true the Old Covenant is not in effect. I don't know any Sabbath keeper who says that. The Covenant was not nailed to the Cross. Jesus was. He died to save us and is our Savior.

michael_e
Your first line is true we are saved by Grace alone. We agree. Observing the day GOD set aside at creation does not save anyone.That is not taught by those who keep Sabbath.

True we walk in Christ every day. But that does not negate having a special day of worship.

You did not mention Galatians 4:8 which says they served false gods. Jews did not worship a false god.

So you need to understand the context of the line.

The best way to argue against something is to know what they actually teach.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/7/15


The Old Covenant is no longer in effect. It was nailed to the Cross.
---learner2 on 3/6/15


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The mystery of Christ explains our righteousness and holiness comes from Christ alone, by grace alone, through faith alone, not from observing Sabbath days.
Our position in Christ makes us holy (Eph 2:21)
Observance of days is a step back to a position where rest comes at the end of the week, month, or year. Turning to those elements diminish our complete holy position of rest already in Christ every day of the year
Paul says those holy day laws were weak and beggarly.
(Gal 4:9-11)
He was afraid because their orientation was towards something other than what gave them salvation: preaching of the cross. Making the seventh day holier than other days has the affect of limiting the effect of the cross to one day.
---michael_e on 3/6/15


Dear Cluny Please reread the Sabbath Commandment.


Isaiah 66:23

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

In the fourth commandment all are to keep. The Ten Commandments are for all people.

Learner you are starting a recent new doctrine. Read the Sermons by John Wesley on keeping the Sabbath. Also read early american history about Sabbath/Sunday laws.


Isaiah 56:6

Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,
---Samuelbb7 on 3/6/15


Right after the scripture that says the Sabbath day is Saturday.
---micha9344 on 3/6/15


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