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John 13:34

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 15:9

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

John 15:10

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

You do not keep these Commands Lawrence.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/29/15


S A

Still One. No matter how you try slice Him, dice Him up.
You & the others can bow to worship your fictitious 3 persons gods. Still again, the commandments doctrines of men 3 persons godhead religion in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 pushing pressing to John 10 v 1, which are many Mat.7 v 13 All part of the literal gates of hell and shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.

I'LL bow to worship the One & Only God, Jesus Christ.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/29/15


Lawrence:

In Mark 13:32, Son does not know the hour, Father knows the hour. These are different. If Son and Father are one and the same, God is schizophrenic.

John 10:30: Finally a verse on point. But it is just one verse, and cannot be taken in isolation away from all the other.

John 10:38: yes, but John 17:21:
That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

If Jesus and the Father are one and the same, he wants us to be one and the same as him. Are you Jesus? Am I?

Col 2:9 does not differentiate trinity from oneness.
2 Co 11:14 has nothing to do with this issue, like Rev. 17:4-6 Jn 10:1 Mt 7:13.
---StrongAxe on 3/28/15


Strong axe, I agree, these verses in REV have nothing to do with Lawrence's interpretation. What is interesting about Lawrence's comment re: ACTS, is that the CHURCH is sealed with the Holy Spirit which he denies himself. The church is HIDDEN IN CHRIST WITH GOD, SEALED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. Colossians 3:1-4 and Ephesians. It's the TRINITY that make up the true CHURCH. And those who are members of HIS BODY, crucified with Christ, and raised up a New Creature who are those also described in Romans 8:11-14 WITH Hebrews 13:20-21.

It's so sad Lawrence that you have fallen in with the actual apostates who make up Mystery Babylon.
---kathr4453 on 3/28/15


Hebrews 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Here is where you miss the boat Lawrence. Through the BLOOD of The EVERLASTING COVENANT. You see, a Covenant is made with another. God did not make a Covenant with Himself, as that would not be necessary for God to do. The EVERLASTING Covenant, through the blood of Jesus was made BEFORE the foundation of the world. THIS Covenant was made between God, the Word, who was made flesh, and the Holy Spirit. YOU had NOTHING to do with raising Jesus from the dead.
---kathr453 on 3/28/15




S A

Mark 13 v 32. Still One.
John 10 vs 30 & 38, 14 vs 8 & 9. It's All about Jesus, concerning Him, for Him, by Him, & In Him, Col.2 v 9.

2nd.Cor.11 v 14 doing his best to deny the Acts Church of The Living God never existed & using the trinity believers also.
No matter what you & the others say, the commandments doctrines of men the 3 persons godhead religion in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 Pushing Pressing to John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13, being All part of the literal gates of hell and shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/27/15


Lawrence:

You keep mentioning: The trinity commandments doctrines of men in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6.

This is nice rhetoric but totally not based on reality, as these verses make absolutely no mention of any of the following subjects:
- trinity
- commandments
- doctrines
- men

So far, you're zero for four. So where do you get this interpretation from? It certainly can't be from those verses, as they have absolutely NOTHING to do with this. Neither do John 10:1 nor Matthew 7:13. If it's from any other verse that is ACTUALLY on point, I'd love to hear it.

Meanwhile, you're still ignoring my question about how you interpret Mark 13:32. Do you just ignore verses that disagree with your ideas?
---StrongAxe on 3/27/15


Kathr

The trinity commandments doctrines of men in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6. Is Bible prophesy. It's Bible prophesy just like the prophesy in Isa.9 v 6 Jesus Christ to come. It's Bible prophesy like the prophesy about gog & magog, russia with all the other aspects that pertains to it.
The many outside of Noah's Ark perished & lost. The very Same Will happen to the many of commandments doctrines of men heresy trinity in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6. The jwitness, those worship other other dif gods buddha, hindu, other etc, the agnostics, the atheist, sexual perverts, other etc. John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13.

I'm so Glad Jesus saved from that which is Not His.
Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/26/15


kathr4453:

Lawrence (and many others, especially Oneness people, although I recently saw a prophetic treatment on Youtube that was undoubtedly by an SDA with similar thoughts) equates this woman with the Roman Catholic Church, and by inference all trinitarians - even though there is nothing in this passage that even remotely suggests this. He constantly posts and re-posts scriptures to justify his belief, but these scriptures have nothing to do with trinitarianism, but rather just how God will deal with sinners (without specifying what specific sins they are involve with).
---StrongAxe on 3/26/15


Revelation 17:4-6

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Lawrence, WHERE in these verses does it say there is no triune God and those who believe in the Triune God are dammed? NO scripture is of any private interpretation Lawrence.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/15




Lawrence, Colossians 2:9 tell us that Jesus is not only human but also divine. He is fully God but also fully human as well, see Phil. 2:5-11.
" Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. There for God has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow,==
---Luke on 3/25/15


Kathr

I'm Not bashing at all.

Truth is Truth, Acts 2 v 38, the Only salvation plan God gives. Which are few believers Mat.7 v 14.

Lies are Lies are the 3 persons godhead which are commandments doctrines of men religion in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 which are many believers, Mat 7 v 13. And it's the peoples choice. Being all part of the literal gates of hell and shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/24/15


I said: Damnable lies, like Luke 18:10-14, which I posted earlier?

Sorry, that was a mis-quote. I actually meant Mark 13:32. I got two blogs mixed up with each other.
---StrongAxe on 3/24/15


katie, in November on the blog "Does the Bible save", you said this:

\\ Cluny, since only your priests partakers of the blood on everyone's behalf, and not the little common people themselves, \\

If your criticism of Orthodoxy is based on such ignorant and false statements as that, your opinion doesn't mean much.

Where did you get this idea? It certainly could not have come from actually attending the Divine Liturgy and seeing what goes on.

In the Orthodox Church, EVERYONE receives under both kinds, even baptized infants.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/24/15


Lawrence, you make no sense when you post. I never said, nor does any scripture I posted eliminate the Triune God. You remind me of Johnny Cash...who many called "Johnny one note. ". Stating over and over, bashing others over and over shows us all here you know nothing about God or Christianity. So I will ask you one more time, and then I'm done with you....WHERE do you get that anyone who believes in the TRIUNE GOD believes it's ok to sin and get away with it? Anyone who does not believe in God at all sins all they want and believe they will get away with it.
Stop posting and answering with nonsense that makes no sense at all.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/15


Lawrence:

You said: I'm So Glad God saved from the Damnable Lies

Damnable lies, like Luke 18:10-14, which I posted earlier? You still haven't answered how you interpret that.
---StrongAxe on 3/23/15


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Gordon said: ' Geraldine, Yes, GOD can forgive a pre-meditated sin, but, I believe that each individual's situation is taken into consideration. How many times has the person tried this in the past, etc."

There does seem to be an upper limit. When someone sins, Jesus has told us to forgive seven times seventy times. I am not saying that the person who sins premeditatively will be damned at sin #491, but I think that God will allow torment into that person's life to upbraid him and refine him.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/23/15


Kathr

Ok good. That eliminates the 3 persons godhead in heaven(in the which Is fictitious & heresy, for there is No such there.) Thank God.

Jesus Is the only person there. Col.2 v 9.

I'm So Glad God saved from the Damnable Lies Deceiving mess of the commandments doctrines of men, the 3 persons godhead in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 pushing pressing for John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13. It's your choice.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/23/15


Don't believe a Word that, or what Cluny says.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/23/15


Colossians 3:9-10

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds,

10 And have put on the new man, "which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him"

Lawrence, here again in Colossians we see the terms old man, NEW MAN. So as a WOMAN, I have not, nor will I ever put off a male body, and I have NOT as we speak, PUT ON a male body. So as scripture teaches scripture, we see, being made in HIS IMAGE, has NOTHING to do with a male body, whether in Genesis or now.
---kath4453 on 3/22/15


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Don't believe a word Lawrence says.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/15


Lawrence, Please read

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
---kathr4453 on 3/22/15


Lawrence, what Angels are, are spirits, without flesh and blood. They are neither male or female. Did you know in the New Heaven and earth, those who are members of His Body, "Galatians", are NEITHER male or female? Also 1st John says we don't know what we will be like but we will be LIKE HIM, for we shall see Him as He is. That DOES NOT mean we will all be "males". So again, being made in His Image is not talking about the physical male body EITHER.

And we can see in Hebrews 1-2 the difference between God, Angels and man. Angels don't have BLOOD, so they don't have human flesh.
---kathr453 on 3/22/15


Kathr

Genesis 1 v 26, in our image, God & the angels. ,( Not the fictitious 3 persons godhead )
Jesus is the expressed image of God. God is Spirit, Jesus Is the expressed image of God how we are created. The angels are expressed in male form also. When the angel was dispatched to help Lot with his family to leave S. & G., the angel was male form.
I'v No found any where in God's Word where an angel was in female form.
---Lawrence on 3/21/15


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Lawrence:

You wrote: I Thank God He saved from the Lies & ...

Luke 18:10-14: ...
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
...
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased, and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Be careful about your own self-confidence, lest you fall into exactly the same trap the above Pharisee did!
---StrongAxe on 3/21/15


Kathr

God created man in our image, God & the angels.
---Lawrence on 3/20/15

Lawrence this sentence makes no sense whatsoever. Who's OUR as in " our image"? and what does God and the Angels mean here at the end? Are you saying the Angels helped God create man? That it took both God and the angels to create man? Or are you saying man and angels are the same? Or God and the angels are the same?
Please explain.
---kathr4453 on 3/21/15


Kathr

God created man in our image, God & the angels.
When Jesus prayed, Father if thou wilt.
When Jesus prayed Father, the Holy Ghost the comforter to come, other etc. Jesus was praying about Himself. Jesus Is the Only person. God The Father which Is Spirit indwelt Jesus Christ bodily, Col.2 v 9. Again Jesus Is the Only person, John 10 v 30. It's All about Him, Not hims. Not the 2 3 persons godhead fantasy.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Jesus.
---Lawrence on 3/20/15


I don't understand why you believe those who believe in the trinity...ONE GOD in three persons actually is the cause of sin. Nowhere does Jesus who is God encourage one to sin, nor does the Holy Spirit tell anyone to sin.

So when Jesus was being baptized, and a voice came out of heaven saying THIS IS MY SON, LISTEN TO HIM, was Jesus the one speaking, throwing His voice, tricking people? When Jesus left Glory and came here to be born of a virgin, are you saying NO ONE was watching the store? And can you show any specific verse where Jesus actually says...I am the Father? Not to be confused with " the Father and I are ONE" And who exactly was Jesus praying to in John 17? ...GLORIFY THOU ME WITH THE GLORY I HAD WITH YOU ...
---kathr4453 on 3/20/15


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Samuel

Don't waste your sympathy feeling sorry for me, because your going to need it All for yourself. Just maybe sooner or later than you think. So be prepared.

I Thank God He saved from the Lies & Deceiving 3 persons godhead religion in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13.
Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/18/15


You have my sympathy Lawrence. I feel so sorry for you. I wish you believed the Bible.


2Peter 1:17

For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1John 1:3

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/18/15


Kathr

The Acts Church of The Living God which are few peoples, Mat.7 v 14.

For the commandments doctrines of men the 3 persons godhead religion believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 trinity churches, pushing to John 10 v 1, including the j witness, those that worship other dif gods buddha hindu other etc the agnostics atheist sexual perverts other etc which Are many peoples Mat.7 v 13. Such good people but so Spiritually impaired & it's mostly their choice.

I used to go to a bapt church years ago, Thank God He saved me from the Deceiving trinity Lies.
Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/18/15


Lawrence, do you know how wrong it is to bear false witness against those who believe in the trinity by saying they believe they can sin all they want and get away with it? That is horrible propaganda you so ignorantly must believe because someone taught you that. But I can assure you GOD never taught you that.
---kathr4453 on 3/18/15


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Geraldine: The only sin that God will not forgive is that of grieving away the Holy Spirit. How do we do that? By perpetually ignoring Him when He councils us not to commit a sin. As the voice of the Holy Spirit is ignored, it becomes fainter and fainter until we can no longer hear it. At that point, we have committed the unpardonable sin.



---jerry6593 on 3/18/15


Well kathyr we agree. Thank you for putting your points so well to Lawerence.

He is oneness Penacostal.

The JW's believe Jesus is a little God and the Father is JEHOVAH. Nor do the believe the Holy Spirit is a person.

The oneness believe all are Jesus. one entity. They also believe at least according to Lawerence they are the only saved people on earth.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/18/15


Samuel. You post contradictions. You said:
Hypocrites live in sin....We are to sin not. That is our goal. Even if we never succed that is our aim.

But you yourself have failed to stop sinning. Are you thus a hypocrite?
And are you saying that all Christians who do not follow SDA Sabbath are hypocrites?

BTW, the WILL OF GOD IS THAT WE BELIEVE ON JESUS, John 6:40. BUT legalists do not believe on Jesus because they mix works of the law, with grace, which God says we CANNOT do, Rom 11:6. Remember that the law is NOT OF FAITH, Gal 3:12.

And what are Christ's commandments which you said we keep?
See 1John 3:23
1: Believe on Jesus
2: Love one another

Note the Sabbath is not listed.
---Haz27 on 3/18/15


Laurence, I believe in the trinity. Sin will not enter the New heaven and earth. In the NEW CREATION, no sin will enter in. Satan will not either along with all rebellious angels, who will have been dealt with. No Christian Lawrence believes one can continue in sin after they are saved. Yes we do fall, stumble, and sin, but Praise The Lord, if we confess our sin He IS FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SIN AND CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

What do you do when you sin Lawrence???? Or do you believe in sinless perfection like so many who do not believe in the trinity believe? If you say you have no sin, you are a liar and the truth is not in you. I know JW believe they are sinless. Are you JW?
---kathr4453 on 3/17/15


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Kathr

Acts Church on the day of Pentecost. Apostolic the teaching of the Apostles, all through to revelation. Beginning with Apostle Peter & the other Apostles, they All taught the same. I'm saved from my sins.

The trinity believers commandments doctrines of men in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 are saved kept in their sins, anything goes. John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13.

Sin will not inter therein.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/17/15


Romans6: 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Lawrence, Do you even KNOW what that doctrine is so you can obey from the heart? You will also see in Colossians 2 that in Christ we have PUT OFF the body of the sins of the flesh.....those who have OBEYED that is. The OBEDIENCE of faith according to the MYSTERY, which is .....I am CRUCIFIED with Christ, no longer I but CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/15


True we are a new creature in Christ. Which is why in our lives we turn from sin to love and follow GOD. Hypocrites live in sin and think it is okay. Christans run from sin because they want to do the will of GOD.


John 14:15-17

If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever,
Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Read 1john 2. We are to sin not. That is our goal. Even if we never succed that is our aim.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/15


Kathr

New creature, New creation. Pick up new or the old sins & it's ok. If that's so, then satan will be welcomed back home.

Just not so. Sin will not inter therein.

Glory to God The Father which Is & ,who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/17/15


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Geraldine, Yes, GOD can forgive a pre-meditated sin, but, I believe that each individual's situation is taken into consideration.
How many times has the person tried this in the past, etc.

But, it's never wise to presume on the Holy GOD like this.
GOD hates sin, and it is why people and angels perish into Hell.

We should not have a cavalier attitude towards sin and towards GOD's Mercy.

Even should GOD forgive in this kind of scenario, usually He will allow the negative consequences resulting from said sin take it's toll, at least to show a lesson and/or to chasten such presumptuous behavior from happening again.

The consequences alone are not worth it. They usually end up being worse than we ever imagine!
---Gordon on 3/17/15


Laurence, there is no,such thing as sinless perfection in this lifetime. Only Christ is sinless. When I stand before the Father, I stand IN Christ. When God sees me, He sees Christ in me, Christ alone is my righteousness. I have none of my own. Praise The Lord through Christ alone one can even go to heaven. If perhaps you believe you can achieve sinless perfection, or anyone for that matter NO ONE, not one single human would ever go to heaven. It's through Christ we have been made acceptable.

One day, when we leave this old flesh behind, only the NEW CREATURE will be in Heaven. Our old man Adam is dead.....not recreated or reincarnated. Behold..ALL things become NEW. The New Creature for the NEW Creation.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/15


Kathr

Satan came against God. Sin & satan was cast out from heaven.
Sin is transgression, violation against The Lord.

If I have found that Jesus transgressed, violated against Himself. If Jesus fornicated, lied, have evil thoughts, was a drunkard, chewed skoal or other, did drugs, smoked grass or other, stole from others, cussed out other people, other etc then that would give us permission to do it also. But He did Not do such things & we are Not also. He was sinless & we are to be like Him.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/17/15


Laurence, I don't know what you mean by saying SIN was kicked out of heaven with satan. What exactly is your definition of sin? Is it something that one can see under a microscope?

I believe SIN is everything to do with the old man, Adam 1 and the old creation. That is why Romans 6 states, in Adam all die, because through Adam ALL have sinned. So Jesus the last Adam, took all the sin upon Himself, and took our judgement for sin. Now in Christ, those who have died with Christ have died to sin. We died to sin Laurence when we died with Christ, just as Romans 6 explain. Either you believe it by faith or you don't, calling God a liar. I believe it Lawrence. My old sin man, Adam one DIED, and my New man in Christ is who God sees.
---kathr4453 on 3/16/15


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Kathr, sin is still an issue today. Yes Christ died for our sins. That does Not give us permission to sin on. The trinity religion in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, any thing goes. Trying to press here John 10 v 1, end up here Mat.7 v 13. Ok to sin Is from here 2nd.Cor.11 v 14. Not of God.

1Cor. 6 vs 9 10, Rev.21 v 8.
Sin was kicked out of heaven with satan. Sin will Not inter back therein, even smoking is such a Stink, drugs, chewing skoal so Nasty. Other etc.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/16/15


Amen James, Kathyr, Josepf and Lawrence. We are only saved by Jesus Christ.

Washed in his blood means baptized since the water of Baptism represents the blood of Jesus Christ.


Romans 5:21

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:12

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/15/15


James
I was asked if I have been washed in The blood, His blood. All part of The Salvation of God, Acts 2 v 38. Mat.7 v 14. He has NO other plan.

2nd.Cor.11 v 14 has Deceiving religious plans, 3 persons godhead in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13. I Thank God He saved from being in it.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/15/15


Revelation 1:5 - And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,and the first begotten of the dead,and prince of the king of the earth, Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
---RichardC on 3/15/15


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//Yes washed in His blood, born again, Acts 2 v 38. The Only salvation plan God gives.//
---Lawrence

Your church baptizes people in blood ?!?
---James_L on 3/14/15


"Stop looking at what you can do, and rest in what Christ has done."James_L on 3/14/15 Amen.
Those who have died with Christ have been fully washed. kathr4453 on 3/14/15 And Amen..
---Josef on 3/14/15


2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Well Laurence, Praise God that the sin issue has all been taken care of at the cross. Colossians 2 ( the whole chapter) will explain more thoroughly what seem to not click with so many who read Romans 6. So now the ONLY issue is, ...have YOU been crucified with Christ where YOUR sin won't be an issue when the roll is called up yonder?
---kathr4453 on 3/15/15


Yes washed in His blood, born again, Acts 2 v 38. The Only salvation plan God gives.

Not saying or making it a behavioral issue. But It's a sin issue. Sin will not inter therein.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/14/15


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Romans 6: 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Our old sinful man cannot enter heaven. That's WHY Jesus made a way for us as NEW creatures IN HIM to be able to enter heaven.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/15


Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Laurence, when it's all said and done, the only ones in heaven are written in the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE. Meaning all those names have been washed in the blood of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
---kathr453 on 3/14/15


Lawrence,
You need to read Kathr's post right before yours.

You're right that no sin will enter heaven. Where you're wrong is thinking it's a behavioral issue....it's not.

Have you been WASHED in the blood? Titus 3:5

Stop looking at what you can do, and rest in what Christ has done.
---James_L on 3/14/15


No.
Sin Was cast out of heaven with satan.
True Christians resist, expose sin, Acts Church of The Living God. Mat.7 v 14.

Manmade christian religion commandments doctrines of men Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, protects, defends sin, anything goes Lies of once saved always saved. Pressing John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13.
If it's ok to sin, then why isn't there a record of Jesus & the Apostles, converts fornicating, drunkenness, maybe smoking grass, maybe chewing tree bark & spitting out, running around naked, killing people other etc. If you think sin will enter heaven again. Then you prob think satan will be saved also.

Jesus didn't sin, sin will Not inter heaven.
Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/14/15


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When Jesus was washing Peter's feet, Peter said, wash all of me. Yet Jesus said that wasn't necessary, but only his feet. I believe Jesus said once "fully washed" you are complete in Him, yet every day as we walk in this world, our feet do get dirty. Yes we will continue to have dirty feet that need to be cleansed, but those dirty feet will never cause one to lose their salvation to those who have been Fully washed in the blood of the lamb. Those who have died with Christ have been fully washed. So the problem is, many who have not died with Christ on the onset, think a foot washing is sufficient. Those who don't understand what salvation is to begin with don't understand OSAS.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/15


This follows the once saved always saved idea. It just takes the above and says yes. Because you cannot really not be forgiven for anything you do.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/13/15


God forgives the repentant. Planning to ask for forgiveness whilst planning the sin shows no repentance at all.

This does not mean that the same person 'might' not become truly repentant about that particular sin some time later and God will know the heart of the person at that time but according to how the question is worded here my answer is NO.
---Rita_H on 3/11/15


Richard and Micha

You both make excellent points and show it with the scripture to back it up.

Amen.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/11/15


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1Sa 15:22 ...Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.
-First, the person's attitude is all wrong as this and many verses posted here show.
-Second, God does forgive and His forgiveness is as infinite as He is.
-Paul put it this way though:
Rom 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
-The person's action doesn't show the fruit of the Spirit, nor the 2 royal laws. If we are to know them by their fruit and by our love one for another, what is it that tells us this person is of Christ?
James 4:17,1Jo 3:8
---micha8344 on 3/11/15


No, kathr, I've never been to the NO Mardi Gras.

I have, however, been to it in Mobile, AL, which was the first city to observe it, even before NO.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/11/15


Cluny has probably never gone to Mardi Gras in New Orleans. Or maybe just the definition of Fat Tuesday and Ash Wednesday for Catholics in New Orleans have a different definition then Cluny. Fat Tuesday is the last day of INDULGENCES of any kind, before the 40 days of lent where one gives up something, like chocolate for instance. And nowhere can I find any such definition of Ash Wednesday meaning Christ's Suffering. The ash comes from OT scripture re: ashes and sack cloth, representing repentance.

It just my be Cluny the Orthodox definitions are different. Anyone who has lived in New Orleans knows what goes on there during Mardi Gras.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/15


Galaitans 5:16 - This I say then, Walk in the spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh,
5:17 - For the flesh lusteth against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh, and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would,
5:18 - But if ye be led of the spirit , ye are not under the law,

Romans 6:6 - Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that hence forth we should not serve sin.
6:7 - For he that is dead is freed from sin,

1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin,
---RichardC on 3/10/15


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\\There are two Greek words in the New Testament which are translated as forgiveness. And only one of them has to do with being saved from hell\\
---James L


//And what are these two Greek words?//
---Cluny


haphesis - see Matt 26:28, Acts 10:43, Eph 1:7, Heb 9:22, Heb 10:18 - Eternal redemption, remission, forgiveness in His blood, through faith


haphiemi - see Matt 6:12-15, Matt 18:21, Acts 8:22, 1John 1:9 - almost every instance uses a family association - brother, children, etc. Fellowship, not eternal redemption
---James_L on 3/11/15


Deceit and self-deceit or just other types of sins, and they are forgivable.
---learner2 on 3/10/15


Good point Scott.


Rom 6:2

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


Rom 13:8-10

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

We are saved to do the will of Christ. Not live in sin.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/10/15


Understand the difference between legalism, liberty and liberalism (not the political doctrine)

With Christ we have liberty which is what Paul preaches about in Romans 5 and 6

Legalism is you must do x,y,z to be acceptable to Christ which is a false doctrine see Galatians

Liberalism another false doctrine that I can do all things and it will not harm me because of God's forgiveness. "God will not be mocked", "reap what you sow."
---Scott1 on 3/9/15


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\\There are two Greek words in the New Testament which are translated as forgiveness. And only one of them has to do with being saved from hell\\

And what are these two Greek words?

**And oh yea, "Fat Tuesday" (a strictly RCC event, NOT Protestant) where you sin all you want before Ash Wednesday comes where you confess all that planned premeditated sin**

The proper name is SHROVE Tuesday--where one goes to confession. The French name was the last day meat could be eaten before Lent started in Western practice.

So you're wrong again, Kathr.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/9/15


kathr4453:

You asked: how often do/did the Mofia go to confession

This is true. However, to be fair, Catholicism teaches that sinning is wrong and one must pay the consequences personally, even if that's just going to confession and doing the penance that the priest declares (plus possibly doing some extra time in purgatory). Among protestants, it's more like "God forgives totally, so there are no personal consequences whatsoever".

"Fat Tuesday" ... where you sin all you want before Ash Wednesday comes where you confess all that planned premeditated sin, by wearing an ash on your forehead and pretend to

The ash is a symbol of mourning for Jesus's suffering, not personal guilt.
---StrongAxe on 3/9/15


There are two Greek words in the New Testament which are translated as forgiveness. And only one of them has to do with being saved from hell

The first is eternal, called remission of sins in some translations. It comes only from God toward man, and is only accessed through faith in Jesus Christ

The second is temporal, fellowship forgiveness. It comes from God to man, and from us to each other. And there are strings attached - attitude, motivation, turning away, confessing, willingness to forgive, etc

There will be plenty of people in heaven who left this earth without this forgiveness
---James_L on 3/9/15


This is a particularly protestant-flavored trap called "cheap grace", which assumes God will forgive anything and everything, so we have license to do whatever we please without worrying about the consequences.----
---StrongAxe on 3/8/15

Let's be fair here Strongaxe, how often do/did the Mofia go to confession? And oh yea, "Fat Tuesday" (a strictly RCC event, NOT Protestant) where you sin all you want before Ash Wednesday comes where you confess all that planned premeditated sin, by wearing an ash on your forehead and pretend to ...whatever...

Gearldine, those who do such things are not saved to begin with, so NO, there is no forgivness of their sin from God. God Can't even hear their words.
---kathr4453 on 3/9/15


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Geraldine:

Anyone who would so disrespect God as to wilfully do something he knows God forbids, assuming that God will automatically forgive everything, can't really be fully loving God. If you love your mother, would you deliberately smash her car, knowing she won't hold it against you? I think not.

This is a particularly protestant-flavored trap called "cheap grace", which assumes God will forgive anything and everything, so we have license to do whatever we please without worrying about the consequences. Paul warned against this kind of thinking.
---StrongAxe on 3/8/15


If a human father would forgive his son under those circumstances, a heavenly Father would all the more so.
---learner2 on 3/8/15


What has been considered from ancient times a forerunner of the Sin against the Holy Spirit (which is unforgivable) is presumption of God's mercy.

Do the math.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/15


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