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Cluny wrote: "ARe you so deluded that you think the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng DOES know the power of God?"

At the least, all one has to do is read the bible, and use it as its own reference, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. And then there are those who do not belong to any denomaintion church, worldly church, that are not infected with the traditions, rituals, ways of living and interpretations of any one denominational teachings. These are the remnant of chritiansdom.
---Steveng on 3/28/15


Trav, That's one of the problems I had as a JW. They are not allowed to think for themselves. ...

I hate handcuffs !
---1stcliff on 3/26/15

Me too with other denoms.
We're scripturally instructed to ask Christ, by Christ. Seeking further proof through GOD's prophet witnesses.
I used to go to preachers who had mans theological credentials. They had no answers for the scriptures I asked them about. It would make them mad in many cases...just like you've seen here. Now when scripture makes a preacher mad...what is wrong with that picture? Then some shunned me...my question then was if this scripture is wrong, therefore me...don't you care enough about me to prove it? No...they didn't, (couldn't). Hirelings.
---Trav on 3/27/15


\\This is how your denominational church teaches others - using worldly knowledge and not knowing the true power of God.\\

ARe you so deluded that you think the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng DOES know the power of God?

This is worse than I thought.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/15


Jesus was not a vegetarian. He was an observant Jew. At the Last Supper what was on the table was lamb. And He ate of it. Also, He ate fish. Neither are on a vegan diet.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/27/15


Cluny wrote: "And I know enough of the Bible to know that NOTHING you say about it is so."

You have a good understanding of worldly knowledge and that's how you interpret the bible. This is how your denominational church teaches others - using worldly knowledge and not knowing the true power of God. Their knowledge is not any concern of yours so get out from her and know the truth AND the power of God.
---Steveng on 3/26/15




Trav, That's one of the problems I had as a JW. They are not allowed to think for themselves. When I said something "outside the box" I was accused of "running ahead of Jehovah's Organization" and reprimanded! Any question you have is referred to a Watchtower article.

I hate handcuffs !
---1stcliff on 3/26/15


Trav, ...Warwick and his "interpretation" is warped IE=
---1stcliff on 3/25/15

Noticed that when he has no answer it's your fault. Ha. Admirable ministering attitude for all poser preachers. You noted animal traits. Note this trait, the animal analogy "Sheep" has never crossed his lips. He doesn't look for what our Lord looked for...so what would one expect? A beta wolf does what wolves do. A dog-matic pack animal they perish on individual hunts.

Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Joh_10:15 ...: I lay down my life for the sheep.
---Trav on 3/26/15


Trav,
You may be right, maybe Cliff is a "free thinker" defined as "A person who forms opinions...independently of tradition, authority, or established belief.
Not a good look for a 'Christian.'
---Warwick on 3/24/15

He looks better than you.
Cliff appears righteously "free" of your doctrinally false dogmas, traditions and false authority's. Cliff seeks/asks. You don't.
You think you logically understand scripture. But only scripture you prefer. You avoid 90% of scripture.
Cliff has traveled way past you. Being free of your scripturally un-witnessed ruts, he actually seeks and asks...and finds.
You think you have all answers...and have none, providing nothing edible.
---Trav on 3/26/15


\\Take the from the Bereans.
---Steveng on 3/25/15\\

And I know enough of the Bible to know that NOTHING you say about it is so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/26/15


Cluny wrote: "Go to an on-line Bible and do your own homework."

I already did my homework over fifty years ago. I'm asking you to do it so you will learn. Take the from the Bereans.
---Steveng on 3/25/15




Trav, You asked for it,you dare challenge authority ?
Warwick and his "interpretation" is warped IE=

Cursing the ground and moaning means all the creatures mutated???(morphed)
Something right out of Dr Seuss, not the bible !
Elk, Moose, deer,cows ,buffalo etc, all grew horns and antlers (funny that horses never needed horns??)
Wonder who decided which snakes needed venom?or why only porcupines needed quills?
Of course none of this is God's handy works because ???maybe the devil made them ? y'think?
---1stcliff on 3/25/15


\\Give verses for grain, wine, and beer sacrifices. Make sure they are "sacraifices." There is a reason for animals to be sacrificed.
---Steveng on 3/23/\\

While I was mistaken about beer sacrifices, there ARE verses regarding grain (usually offered as unleavened cakes, but Pentecost is an exception), and wine sacrifices.

Go to an on-line Bible and do your own homework.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/15


Trav, Now I am a "wolf pup" "Anglican"? What next? Maybe a "Capitalist running-dog." Woof.

I have advised Cliff I no longer think it worthwhile to correspond as he is a determined BiblioSceptic. I just don't have the wherewithal to deal with two flakes simultaneously. One had to go and you remain. For now! Baaaaa!

You may be right, maybe Cliff is a "free thinker" defined as "A person who forms opinions about religion on the basis of reason, independently of tradition, authority, or established belief. Freethinkers include atheists, agnostics and rationalists." That is one who does not accept the authority of Gods word. Not a good look for a 'Christian.'
---Warwick on 3/24/15


...How Paul,s saying the earth was groaning translates to a whole new batch of viscious creatures emerging is beyond belief ! ...not found in scripture !
You are the Sceptic!
---1stcliff on 3/23/15

Cliff u free thinker u. Ur not supposed to question authority's or those perceiving to be doc-Daddy's. Even though never able to prove ...by any mark, sign or scripture. You are not co-operating.
You are minion resistant, not eligible for anglican consideration now.
Problem is he's never sought for what our Lord sought. "Sheep".
An anglican't minion, commanded, to make minion$.
You're fortunate to be rejected. You might be a "sheep". Thank GOD you've resisted doctrinal evolution.
---Trav on 3/24/15


Cluny wrote: "There are directions for grain, wine, and even beer sacrifices in the OT, as well."

Give verses for grain, wine, and beer sacrifices. Make sure they are "sacraifices." There is a reason for animals to be sacrificed.
---Steveng on 3/23/15


Cliff, find someone else to peddle your nonsensical scepticism to. I can no longer be bothered corresponding with you. Life is too short!
---Warwick on 3/23/15


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Everyone was a vegetarian in Eden. Everyone will be a vegetarian in the earth made new, as nothing will die. Why not start now to prepare for the future?


---jerry6593 on 3/24/15


Warwick, Since you refuse to answer,FYI Bible says God created "all" the animals on day six,birds and marine life on day five, including sharks,manta rays,electric eels, mammoths with their tuscs ,rhinos and other animals complete with defensive parts !

There's NO scriptural account of a second creation,God cursed the ground,not the creatures!
How Paul,s saying the earth was groaning translates to a whole new batch of viscious creatures emerging is beyond belief ! Not to mention not found in scripture !
You are the Sceptic!
---1stcliff on 3/23/15


\\All sacrifices were prepared with animals:\\

Wrong again, Steveng.

There are directions for grain, wine, and even beer sacrifices in the OT, as well.

But I don't expect your worldly denominational "church" to teach you any better.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/15


Cliff, I am not a fish wriggling so as to escape because your bait is unpalatable,your hook blunt, and you fish on the wrong side of the boat. In reality I am a person who has learned by long and painful experience that you are a dedicated, relentless BiblioSceptic as illustrated by what you write. And that this makes corresponding with you pointless. You have no respect for God's word.
---Warwick on 3/23/15


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cliff since the Bible does not say GOD created porcupines directly we do not know. We know their ancestors were created in the first week. But what day they changed the Bible does not say.

The Bible does say the diet of Adam and Eve.


Gen 2:16

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

No allowance for eating meat is given.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/23/15


Was Jesus a vegetarian?

I don't think so. It would be highly unlikely that He would not partake of the Passover lamb, or some of the fish He had placed on the coals for the Apostles. Then again, the meat He ate would not have been contaminated with antibiotics, hormones and mercury.


---jerry6593 on 3/23/15


Warwick, That's OK ,I understand, You're like a fish trying to wriggle off the hook so as not to get caught ! Nothing to do with Biblio-Scepticism !
If you just answered one question we could clear up this whole discussion !

On what day did God create porcupines and scorpions ?
---1stcliff on 3/23/15


No, Jesus was not vegetarian. He ate fish. Many vegetarians also eat fish but they are not true vegetarians if they do so. Fish is the flesh of 'a fish', just as lamb is the flesh of a lamb. A fish is a living thing which is killed, bleeds and is eaten. I'm guessing that Jesus would have eaten the flesh of other living things also but knowing that He ate fish is enough to know that He was NOT a vegetarian.
---Rita_H on 3/22/15


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Cliff, I 'hang on to Scripture' whereas you prefer scepticism. You interpret Scripture via man's ideas, based upon uniformitarianism (a secular evolutionary belief) imagining the present is the key to understanding the past. It isn't. While you continue this way God's word will be a puzzle and an annoyance to you.

Colossians 2:8 is relevant to you "See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ." And 2 Timothy 3:5 "having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people."

As I have explained I no longer consider it worthwhile corresponding with you.
---Warwick on 3/22/15


Was Jesus a vegetarian? Of course not. His parents were of jewish heritage who ate a lot of meat (as in the animal type) during their lives. Therefore, Jesus ate meat as a child and continued the tradition of eating meat (as in the animals)

Genesis 9:3 equates to 1 Timothy 4:1-5and Acts 10: 9-13

Genesis 27:9
Psalm 44:11
Ezekiel 45:15
Ezekiel 46:5, 15
John 6:55

All sacrifices were prepared with animals:
Numbers 15:5-12
Numbers 23:1
Ezekiel 43:25
Ezekiel 46:13
---Steveng on 3/22/15


Warwick, I live in a land that speaks volumes of God's creative work , If you choose to turn a blind eye to "reality" and hang on to your flawed "interpretation" that's your privilege !
Preaching nonsense to others is dangerous !
Evolution is FALSE!
You cannot make your interpretation "fit" without involving evolution !
---1stcliff on 3/21/15


Cliff, maybe someone else will bother to waste their time answering your questions, the same ones asked and answered so many times. But not me.

You are a BiblioSceptic who will not believe.
---Warwick on 3/21/15


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Mice and rats are different genera. Mice are the genus Mus, and rats are the genus Rattus.

Wolves and dogs are the same genus and species:Canis lupus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/15


Cluny, Apart from size and color, what physiological difference is there between a Yorkshire terrier and a husky or a coyote?
Or a mouse and a rat?
Or an Angus and a Jersey cow ?
They do not "evolve" into a different creature !
They do not acquire and pass on a characteristic !

Do you agree Warwick ??
---1stcliff on 3/20/15


Warwick, Are we now to interpret the "groaning earth" to be, As soon as Adam sinned, a whole new batch of vicious creatures were created?
With horns,antlers, tuscs,quills,poison,sharks ,electric eels,wasps,hornets,stinging insects etc,etc..
Scripture says nothing about a second creation, but you're suggesting that these creatures "evolved" and cover it with "groaning"?
I've heard people groan but they never bit anyone !

---1stcliff on 3/21/15


If we ignore the world-changing event (Genesis ch.3), the curse following Adam's sin, we miss the point.

Roman's 8:22 "For we know the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now." Groaning under the curse brought upon the world by Adam's sin-death, disease and suffering.

But everything will be restored back to when there was no death, disease and suffering. (Acts 3:21) Rev. 21:4-no more death mourning, crying, or pain. "No longer will there be a curse upon anything" 22:3.

To imagine what exists today is what existed before sin goes against Scripture. Genesis 3 details some of the physical changes God decreed i.e. "cursed is the ground because of you."
---Warwick on 3/20/15


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\\Cluny, Thanks for pointing that out, but whether it was Darwin or Lamarkian there are those on here who subscribe to that theory still !\\

Can you give the names of any actual people (scientists or not) who believe in the Lamarckian theory of inheritance of acquired characteristics?

**Wolves and dogs are related. There are many different tpes of dogs but they are still dogs.**

It's beyond related, Samuel.

Wolves and dogs are the same genus and species: Canis lupus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/15


To the question have animals adapted and changed. My answer is yes.

Wolves and dogs are related. There are many different tpes of dogs but they are still dogs.

Scientist have generally proved adaptation. Evolution is based on single cell becoming mulitcelluar plants and animals. In fact they recently said we are more closely related to a fungus then plants. Which made me shake my head in disbelief.

But that animals adapted to survive and that many who came out of the ark did not. I can believe that.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/20/15


Cluny, Thanks for pointing that out, but whether it was Darwin or Lamarkian there are those on here who subscribe to that theory still !
God designed and created the natural food chain and Adam was mandated to "manage" it, but greed and miss management has resulted in the extinction of so many life forms ,like the ivory poachers,over fishing and trophy hunters !
---1stcliff on 3/20/15


\\One of Darwin's favorite arguments is "acquired characteristics" , this does not happen !\\

Wrong!

This is LAMARCKIAN, not Darwinian.

Lamarck's theory was rejected centuries ago, though for a while it was the official Soviet teaching.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/15


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Samuelbb, You're not talking "adaptation",you're talking evolution !
One of Darwin's favorite arguments is "acquired characteristics" , this does not happen !
Jews have been circumcised for thousands of years yet none have been born Pre-circumcised !
Creatures can "adapt" to their surroundings, but cannot change physiologically !
For hundreds of years our Inuits have subsisted without vegetation but are no different physiologically than a Toronto business man!
---1stcliff on 3/19/15


Samuelbb7:

Are you saying that lions changed their teeth and digestive tracts from vegetarians to carnivores, and porcupines evolved quills, and deer evolved horns - all within the last 6000 years?
---StrongAxe on 3/19/15


The "Darwinists have revealed themselves..Through evolution then that rattle snakes developed venom for killing...
... Smacks of evolution because the alternative would mean you don't "get it" !
---1stcliff on 3/18/15

Cliff as you pointed out. Now they embrace evolution! When scripture doesn't! They find it necessary to add to scripture or change it entirely. Holding doctrines of men that taught that the earth was flat 500 years ago.
There is no pulling them out of the ditch perhaps but, there can be avoidance of these ditches for others.

Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. If the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
---Trav on 3/20/15


Yes this world is full of death and programs designed to save or protect. That is the adaptation that the Animals GOD created have had to do to survive. All animals today are adapted to this world. So yes this world does show the results of sin.

Cluny I oversimplified. Yes the work of Jesus Christ as our High Priest finishes the work started by his shed blood. Just as in the Sanctuary the blood on the altar was the first step. Did not mean to upset you.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/19/15


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We live in an area where there is much wild life,
If you've ever had to take a pair of pliers and pull quills out of Rover's nose you must agree that they were designed to hurt and injure !
God designed and created the porcupine , when will fundamentalists wake up to reality ?
---1stcliff on 3/19/15


\\True our sins of the past are covered by the blood of Christ. \\

Wrong.

They are FORGIVEN and TAKEN AWAY by Christ--all of Him, not just an organ of His physical body.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/15


So we are to assume that antlers,tusks, and horns are decorative ???
Step into the ring with "El Torro" and he will be only too happy to show you why he has horns !
---1stcliff on 3/19/15


Good point Cluny.

True our sins of the past are covered by the blood of Christ.

But GOD also works in us to cleans our hearts and minds of sin. So we are to be more like JESUS.


1John 2:5,6

But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/19/15


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The "Darwinists have revealed themselves..Through evolution then that rattle snakes developed venom for killing like scorpions and spiders.
Electric eels somehow decided to try electricity to stun their prey, by evolving stomach acids that allows them to eat putrid flesh that would poison any other bird,vultures survive ?.....etc, etc.. Smacks of evolution because the alternative would mean you don't "get it" !
---1stcliff on 3/18/15


\\1st Cliff, GOD used animal skins to cover Adam and Eve because those skin-coverings were a symbolic pre-shadowing of YAHUSHUA Who became the slain Lamb Whose Blood was the covering of the sins of whosoever will of mankind.\\

As St. John the Baptist put it, "Behold the Lamb of God Who merely COVERS the sins of the world."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/18/15


Gordon, did you know there is NOTHING about having our sins covered in the NT?

Where do people get this idea?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/18/15


1st Cliff, GOD used animal skins to cover Adam and Eve because those skin-coverings were a symbolic pre-shadowing of YAHUSHUA Who became the slain Lamb Whose Blood was the covering of the sins of whosoever will of mankind.

There was not any indication, in early GENESIS Writings, that animals were created specifically for killing to be eaten for food and their skins used for clothing.
Especially since we do have cotton and linen to use to make clothing.

Death to mankind and to the animal kingdom came about by mankind's sin through Adam (and Eve).
---Gordon on 3/18/15


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Cliff,
You allege Warwick is poor in logic...Your implicit allegation that God originally designed, for example, vultures to eat carrion is based on the faulty extrapolation that what occurs now, must have been always that way unchanged from the beginning? How so?
---Marc on 3/17/15

He is destitute. Cliff doesn't allege, his point is proof.
Scripturally he is more accurate and scientifically he cornered two anglicant's.
Christ confirming a trait below:
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
---Trav on 3/18/15


Cliff,

You allege Warwick is poor in logic, so allow me to correct yours.

Your implicit allegation that God originally designed, for example, vultures to eat carrion is based on the faulty extrapolation that what occurs now, must have been always that way unchanged from the beginning? How so?

And, if this were the case then a murderer incarcerated today must have been always one, either by God's decree or by genetics?
---Marc on 3/17/15


Cliff, I was well into replying to you but changed my mind. You have a fixed BiblioSceptic view (probably as a result of you time with the JW's) and nothing (particularly Scripture) will change your mind.

Almost all the points you now raise are based upon untestable uniformitarian assumptions (i.e. that the present is the key to the past) and I have answered them before. I cannot be bothered to go to the pointless fruitless exercise of covering them again.
---Warwick on 3/18/15


cliff Dairy farmers manage cows and do not kill them. The word manage has to do with being a steward which is to watch over and take care of. I do not see where manage means you have to kill.

Creationist and the majority of Bible scholars recognize that nothing today is the save as before the fall into sin. All the death and animals you mention did not kill then. In fact the Bible speaks of the New Earth restored.


Isa 65:25

The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/18/15


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Warwick, God did not say that vegetation was to be their "only" diet.
Book, chapter and verse where God forbid the eating or killing the creatures !

Give me an illustration of just how Adam was to "have dominion over" (in other words "manage") the creatures. without killing or eating them ! And remember this was "before" sin !
You cannot answer this without contradicting your own words !
---1stcliff on 3/17/15


Warwick, You're good at reading scripture, but not able to use logic and reason to understand it !
God perfectly designed and created Electric eels who stun their prey with 600 volts> to stun the sea weeds?
Spiders spin beautiful webs ,just to show their artistic ability?
Venus flytraps eat bugs,are you claiming this is "evolution"?
God designed scorpions,rattle snakes,sting rays, Vultures for eating carrion (no vultures in Australia)that eat dead creatures.
Fantastic creator, our God !
---1stcliff on 3/17/15


Cliff, do you even read Scripture? It appears not.

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food."

Genesis 9:3 post-flood "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything."

In the garden they had a vegetarian diet-read it!

Genesis 3:21 post sin "And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them."

Death came after sin.

Dominion means authority.
---Warwick on 3/17/15


Despite the belief of many vegetarians/vegans, malnourished does not equal healthy. A healthy diet includes a certain amount of fat and meat.
Jed

Louis Jude "Lou" Ferrigno retired professional bodybuilder. Also played the Hulk. He did being a vegetarian the proper way. The Ox which is a vegetarian has lots of muscle.

There are also vegetarians who are fat. Study the Science of it and you find the truth.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/15


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When God made covering for Adam & Eve he didn't use cotton or linen, but showed another use for animals!
(Do you have leather shoes or belts?)

When no sin had yet taken place ,God said to Adam to have dominion over the creatures , just how would this be demonstrated if they were not to be eaten or killed ?
---1stcliff on 3/17/15


No, YAHUSHUA (JESUS) was not a vegetarian.
He did eat the Passover meal, which included lamb meat, with His Disciples at least once. (Though most likely every year the Passover was celebrated.)
---Gordon on 3/17/15


\\Strongs, interprets meat to mean meat.(literally or figuratively): - eat, meat\\

THIS is the word used in the passages you quoted.
---Cluny on 3/17/15


Wow, you eat your "food". I'll partake of Sheeps "Meat". Fishing trip is due soon.
phago & #772,
A primary verb (used as an alternate of G2068 in certain tenses), to eat (literally or figuratively): - eat, meat.

Mat_25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Lev_11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
---Trav on 3/17/15


\\Strongs, interprets meat to mean meat.(literally or figuratively): - eat, meat\\

There are two words translated "meat" in the KJV NT.

One is GEVMA, meaning simply food. THIS is the word used in the passages you quoted.

The other is KREAS, which means flesh of animals. That is NOT used in the passages you quoted.

Glory to Jesus Christ!!
---Cluny on 3/17/15


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Have you seen vegetarian or vegan men...A healthy diet includes a certain amount of fat and meat.
---Jed on 3/16/15

May I remind people that there are varying degrees of vegetarianism or being vegan? They are (but not limited to) vegan, ovo-vegetarian, ovo-lacto vegetarian, pescaterian (fish), and semi-vegetarian.

I have been a ovo-lacto vegetarian for over five years. I tried being a true vegan for two years but found the craving for "meat" hard to resist.

While I do eat meat on occasions, I must say that Jesus definitely ate meat. However, I would guess that Jesus rarely ate meat more than once or twice a month. This is definitely different than our current diet of eating meat once or twice a day.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/17/15


Trav, in Tudor-Jacobean diction, "meat" was a general word for "food."
---Cluny on 3/16/15

Get around the fact that "fish" is meat. Sheep, Goats, Cattle are meat. Could eat a big steak right now, talking about it.
Strongs, interprets meat to mean meat.(literally or figuratively): - eat, meat.
A Shepherd is a shepherd to eat of his labor.
Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. the LORD had respect unto Abel, to his offering:
Exo 29:32 Aaron and his sons shall eat the flesh of the ram, and the bread that is in the basket, by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Symbolic Cain and Symbolic Abel...
Jud_1:11
---Trav on 3/17/15


No Jesus was not a vegetarian. Nor do we have to be vegetarians. But Adam and Eve were vegetarians at first. Since no animals could be killed. The first permission to eat meat came to Noah... ---Samuelbb7 on 3/16/15

Where did you read that? I'd like to see that verse. It appears Able was a shepherd/meat farmer and even prepared God a sacrifice of meat.

While it can and often does make you healthier it does not save anyone.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/16/15


??? Have you seen vegetarian or vegan men? You could break most of them in half easier than a twig! Despite the belief of many vegetarians/vegans, malnourished does not equal healthy. A healthy diet includes a certain amount of fat and meat.
---Jed on 3/16/15


Then there are those ,like Samuelbb7 who believe that animals were never meant to die !
Can you imagine an anteater trying to eat vegetation?
Even with a relatively short life span, Australia has had a major problem with rabbits ,. If they were never meant to die no one today could live there!
2Pet.2.12 says " beasts were meant naturally to be caught and destroyed !
God purposely arranged the natural "food chain".!
Our wild life managers keep this balance as best they can!
---1stcliff on 3/16/15


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Jed, my point was that the majority of SDA members are not vegetarian. This lends support to vegetarianism not being an official religious doctrine of the church. Over the years certain SDA leaders I spoke with were adamant that vegetarianism was not an official religious doctrine of the SDA church. If anyone says vegetarianism is an official religious doctrine in the SDA church they should be able to quote this from official SDA material.

From experience I am convinced people would be much healthier if they reduced the amount of meat they eat, and increased the quantity of fresh vegetables and fruit.

---Warwick on 3/17/15


Interestingly a survey I was told about showed only c40% of SDA'a were vegetarian.
---Warwick on 3/16/15


Only 40%? That's actually really high, considering only 3% of Americans are vegetarians, and 0.5% are full-blown vegan.
---Jed on 3/16/15


We live close to a college and rent to students.
At present we have an international student from Romania who is strict SDA , he says vegetarianism is part of their faith ! At church socials (pot luck dinners) no one dares bring a meat dish !
---1stcliff on 3/16/15


Cliff, I am neither SDA nor vegetarian but from my long experience with SDA's I know vegetarianism is considered a health issue, not a doctrinal one, and not commanded.

Interestingly a survey I was told about showed only c40% of SDA'a were vegetarian.

Having spoken in a number of SDA islander (people from Pacific islands in the Australian region) churches I found the roasted chicken to be delicious.
---Warwick on 3/16/15


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I am wondering why SDA make this a "religious"issue !
---1stcliff on 3/16/15

How do they do that? Haven't kept up with them.

1Co_10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat,
Col_2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
---Trav on 3/16/15


No Jesus was not a vegetarian. Nor do we have to be vegetarians. But Adam and Eve were vegetarians at first. Since no animals could be killed.

The first permission to eat meat came to Noah in that they could eat clean animals but not unclean animals. We know this because only one pair of unclean animals were take on the ark while seven pairs of clean animals were taken. Genesis 7.

Because our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and God pointed out unclean usually means unhealthy we do not eat unclean animals just like Jesus.

Some go to the point of becoming vegetarians which our church endorses.

While it can and often does make you healthier it does not save anyone. Only Jesus saves. Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/16/15


Trav, in Tudor-Jacobean diction, "meat" was a general word for "food." This is seen in the expression "Grace before Meat".

If one meant bodies of bird or quadrupeds, one used the expression "flesh" or "flesh meat". Compare "sweetmeats" for candy and desserts.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/15


I am wondering why SDA make this a "religious"issue !
---1stcliff on 3/16/15


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Mat 15:36-37a And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake [them], and gave to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. And they did all eat...
-Jesus also kept the Passover for over 30 years, fulfilling the Law, which the sacrificed lamb must be ate by the household before morning.
So, the answer would be - No.
It would be very hard to be a Jew and a vegetarian at the same time, except they believe in the One the Passover foreshadowed. then they could, if desired or needed, be a vegetarian.
---micha9344 on 3/16/15


Was Jesus a vegetarian?
---1stcliff on 3/16/15

Cliff, was trying to remember accounts of his meals.
Allegorical picture comes to mind that he is a Shepherd. Now we know the Sheep are grass eaters, Goats won't eat much grass but will eat anything else rough. Which makes them non competitive in for food.

Luk_7:36 And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat.
Luk_7:49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
Joh_4:8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
Joh_4:32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
---Trav on 3/16/15


In ancient times, very little meat was eaten, at least not as much as the 21st century American.

Protein came from such things as beans, lentils, chickpeas, fish, and eggs. (Then there were pagan cults such as the Pythagoreans who forbade the eating of beans as any one of them might be Grandma.)

Certain sacrifices, such as Passover, required the participants, both cohanim and offerers, to eat part of the victim.

In short, vegetarianism simply wasn't the doctrinaire issue that PETA makes it today.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/15


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